Continue the discussion here: www.watchcrunch.com/Max/posts/rolex-doesn-t-need-us-in-2021-do-you-need-a-rolex-662

I sold my Daytona and bought Zenith. Couldn't be happier. I prefer Chronomaster in litellary every aspect. It looks cooler, has better dimensions, I like bracelet more (maybe expect the clasp ;) ), it wears better on straps, it has usable chronograph, which I actually use. No one use chronograph if you have to unscrew the pusher first... And the movement is spectacular. I bought two, black and white, got 15% discount. I eventually returned black one. It is so nice to buy and try a watch.

@some26887

2 жыл бұрын

Got the discount from the AD?

@gentritgashi1822

2 жыл бұрын

how did u get a discount

@Longshore79

Жыл бұрын

How’s the accuracy of the 3600?

@caseyharris18

Жыл бұрын

What size straps did you get

@BlackVoidofSpace

Жыл бұрын

@@gentritgashi1822 on any watch other than Rolex and few other select brands? You just ask for it and walk out if you don't get it. The next AD will give it to you.

I too would take the Daytona...Flip it, and buy 3 Zeniths.

@alfieakaronaldog

Жыл бұрын

How do you manage to cram so much BS into so few words? 😂

@connor7162

8 ай бұрын

@@alfieakaronaldogwhich bit was bullshit? At this time Daytonas we’re going for £28k+, 3 zeniths would comfortably fit into that budget

@alfieakaronaldog

8 ай бұрын

@@connor7162 Where is he getting the Daytona? Why would he want 3 Zeniths? Does he have the £12k for the Daytona? Why would he spend £12k on 3 Zeniths? Would he Spend £12k on 3 Zeniths if AD discounted them to that? Do you think anyone in the history of the world has ever bought a Daytona at list, flipped it for £28k+ and bought 3 Zeniths? Why are you asking for him?

@alfieakaronaldog

8 ай бұрын

@@connor7162 I think the clue is that he said he “would take the Daytona”. Zero appreciation of actually paying for it and how hard it is to acquire at list. It’s what kids say in a playground 🤦🏻‍♂️

@connor7162

8 ай бұрын

@@alfieakaronaldog people sometimes say “take” instead of buy he may not have meant it that deeply

I love just about everything on this channel. Keep up the good work, Max. Astounding footages with lots of good information and opinions. Full and heartwarming support from a Korean watch enthusiast. Wish you more subscribers and viewers. Happy holidays!

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers SJ, thank you for the encouragement!

I love the format in the way you do videos. Can't believe I just discovered you guys. Very cool! Also love this watch. Very cool.

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jessie! Welcome 😁

Excellent video - I am in the market for a Zenith and this convinced me to buy it. Thank you!

Excellent review - love this watch - just picked up the white one today!

The man with deep voice is back! Agreed, but not sure people would listen. Hey bro, I remember you did a video on 16710 a while back. Prices on that too are shooting up these days. Not sure where all this would all end. Excellent work bro, keep it up.

Another great video Max, BTW: I quite like the metaphors, especially "mini metropolis".

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe, thought that was good imagery, thanks 😊

I prefer the movement and the design of the Zenith Chronomaster Sport to the Daytona. The Daytona is the ultimate symbol of the overhyped nature of Rolex. It reveals the mechanics of marketing: one actor wearing it while racing cars made people want a gaudy, blingy, modern variant of the watch that looks nothing like the one he wore back in the day. The story of the Daytona going into 2022 is about how it helps rich people identify each other. I think if you could look at modern Daytonas without the hype and exclusivity factor, they are simply nowhere near as attractive or storied as pretty much any modern Zenith Chronograph.

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the Zenith is technically a more advanced watch, the people still want their rollies. It's like McLaren versus Ferrari 🤷‍♂️

@MasterChief37

2 жыл бұрын

I’d rather buy a Speedmaster it tops them both.

@CocoKoi321

2 жыл бұрын

@@MasterChief37 opinion 🤡

@MasterChief37

2 жыл бұрын

@@CocoKoi321 what makes a Daytona better than a Speedmaster, it’s not the movement, it’s not the history, its not that long ago Rolex couldn’t sell them at RRP, they had to be discounted to shift stock.

@tomw485

2 жыл бұрын

@@MasterChief37 I think the Daytona and the Chronomaster Sport are both objectively above a 3861 Speedy Pro from a technical standpoint. The Speedy Pro is also priced accordingly as well and a great watch for the 6-7k price point. Now if we’re talking the 321 Speedy that’s in another class and also priced accordingly. That’s a very special watch that I’d take above any of the aforementioned.

25 years ago, I chose the Zenith El Primero 410, because it had an anual calendar and a moon phase, and 36,000 alternations. It was 1/4 the price, and Rolex was using a tuned down version of the Zenith. It was a no brained.

Great video and great talking points 👏👏👏

I know I'm two years late to the party, but stumbled on to this. Very well done!

awesome video! Very clear and to the point. Thank you

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Douglas 👍

love your videos bro! Can i ask what book that is in the background?

Excellent video, I had to subscribe. I got the chronomaster sport about a week ago. My first Zenith. I always wanted to own a Zenith, was initially drawn towards the Defy 21 but then I happened to come across this beauty. Was lucky to get it in a day's time. Wore it the same day and went out with my buddies. Of course a few asked me if it's a Daytona which irked me a bit. Someone even mentioned that Zenith has a habit of copying Rolex watches, I didn't care to reply. I just know I got what I wanted and am really happy. It's not the case where I wanted a Rolex, I couldn't find it and I settled for a Zenith. I got it because I absolutely love it. I was never a big fan of the Daytona. I own a Sea Dweller and an OP and I love them. The only thing is the bracelet, maybe I need to get more used to it. Apart from that, it's a stunner. Thanks for the video.

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Don't mind the internet people, wear what we like 👍. Happy birthday

I love the metaphors! Keep them coming!!

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Haha will do...plenty more back there 😉

Max, I am watching your videos since a long time now and I am never disappointed ! Keep on the great work :)

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Morgan, I'm inspired constantly by your photography 😁👌

@morgansaignes8021

2 жыл бұрын

@@WatchCrunchOfficial I couldn't think of a better comment! Thanks so much !

Excellent and insightful… and the metaphors are clever…. Keep ‘em! 😉

Brilliant video. Incredible videography.

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Barry! Appreciate ya

Great video and looks classy with this leather strap

Really nice, thanks!

The centre of Zenith's 9 o'clock/3 o'clock subdials line up perfectly with the indices at 9 and 3 , this is also true for the Zenith powered Daytonas, and it looks so much better than the offset subdials on the modern Daytona. Just joined WatchCrunch and looking forward to finding my way round 👍👍

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, what an astute observation Morgan! Yes I see it now, the placement of sundials, text, logo on the dial has so much influence on the long term aesthetics of a watch but it's often overlooked initially! Catch you over on WatchCrunch😁

Awesome watch and another great video. Thanks!

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks again Ty, great to see ya down here again 😁👍

哥们视频做的越来越好了，加油

This channel deserves a lot larger numbers subscriber!

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad to have you onboard!

I think the Zenith is a lot cooler than the Daytona. Really amazing movement, and I quite like the tri-color registers. I mean sure, if you gave me a choice between the two I'd still take the Daytona, but if I were spending my own money, I'd totally buy the Zenith and keep the difference. But being realistic, that'll never happen either. Enjoyed the video!

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, I completely agree, it's a cool watch. If you just judge pictures, then you miss the point 👍

@TerenceMa1989

2 жыл бұрын

Because you can’t afford a proper SS Daytona

@JusttheWatch

2 жыл бұрын

@@TerenceMa1989 Dude I can't afford a proper Hamilton.

@mozebulbulia

2 жыл бұрын

@@JusttheWatch Your honesty outshines any watch, so it's only a matter of time before you have that Zenith.

@ennisventer8038

2 жыл бұрын

It’s like buying a Porsche Cayman. Always looking in your rear view mirror at the traffic light for the 911 to stop next to you😂

fun and honest review of an underated watch brand imo ..which has a rich history ..👍👍

Max!!!! As usual your a legend,thanks pal👍🏻🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪

Love your vids mate

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks dude 😎✊

Great video, Zenith definitely has its own history. Beautiful watch.

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks dude 😎

Great video as usual Max! I'd take that Z all day over the R. It just fits my style more.

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

It definitely has more fun than a Daytona, let's its hair down a bit 😉

Totally agree. Screw down chrono pushers are absurd!

Great video. You make a lot of sens with your comments. I do love the Daytona but like you said, I gave up the idea of getting one. I refuse to pay 3 to 4 times the retail price for this watch. I do own 2 watches with an El Primero movement. I have a Zenith and an old Ebel Chronograph offered to me by my parents in 1989. Unfortunately Ebel has lost its aura but remain a very nice watch esthetically. I also own an AP Royal Oak chronograph with screw on buttons and as you perfectly said, it is discouraging me of using the chronograph due to this feature. Anyhow, as a Swiss citizen I always enjoy videos on Swiss watches. Good going my friend 😊

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Thierry! Yeah I hope the Daytona comes back down to earth so us commoners can enjoy it again soon 😆

@SuperBechti

2 жыл бұрын

@@WatchCrunchOfficial 🤞🤞👍👍

another great video! liked and subscribed your channel. however, i am surprised that i have yet to see anyone dare (or observant enough) to point out that el primero movement has a hereditary “flaw” where the chronograph hand randomly jerks forward or backward when is stopped. this characteristic remains in the family which can be observed even in the today’s zenith models - something to ponder if you are a new to zenith.

Good video, subscribed!

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the channel my man 👊

Great video. I own this watch, and bought it for the same reasons you gave. Jury is out on spending much more on the Daytona.

As a 116500 panda owner and trying to set aside my bias aside for a minute here, I absolutely love this Chronomaster Sport white dial and would be my 2nd choice if I didn't already have my Daytona.

What size is the strap you got from Cascadia?

Love the zenith. Hope to pick one up

Just love this Watch! Great Video.

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

She's a beauty 🤩 thanks Rick!

I actually Sold my Daytona for a nice profit, and bought 3 watches instead. 1 of them was this Zenith but a boutique edition. And I honestly cannot get over how good of a timepiece it is. Not only its mechanically fascinating but its an absolute gorgeous of a piece to look at and after a month of daily use -sort of- it did actually opened a lot of conversations. You will NOT get a better value for money with as rich of a history as Zenith! Now, I still own a Rolex (Batman), and yes Rolex just feels different. But in the world of many daily Chronographs, the Zenith is an absolute standalone.

2:57 the way it hits every single marker, its so satisfying.

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe, glad you enjoyed 👍

Great video, Max, a bit late to this one but I enjoyed it nonetheless. Valid points on both the Chronomaster and Daytona. It will be very interesting days when Rolex finally updates its princess to 41mm

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

I really hope they don't 😭

I just got this watch (White Chronomaster sport) this past Thursday and it is fantastic. I have a Panda Daytona as well. And having worn both, I genuinely prefer my Zenith. The dial is much more interesting. And having a date is very useful. Just wish they had put the date at 6:00. Great video, thank you

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Congrats Marz! The date doesn't bother me at 4, but I wish there was no date at all. I barely tolerate date on dress watches 😂

As a watch nerd I would prefer the Zenith over the Daytona simply for the advanced movement, the looks and the date complication. From an investment perspective the Daytona is the better choice - if you could get one at a reasonable price. As a gift I would not reject any of both for sure! Cheers from Frankfurt, DE

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, they are both cool watches in their own right 👍. Wie ghets!

@leemacdonald6533

2 жыл бұрын

Given the massive increase of 300% over the rrp to actually purchase a daytona do you believe you could still turn a reasonable profit in 5-10 years from a daytona? Pay 30k for a daytona today is it going to be worth 50%+ in years to come, I highly doubt that. If we look at production figures for the two and history I think the zenith will be the winner in years to come.

@philwongnz

2 жыл бұрын

Personally I would not wear this, IMHO is pretty ugly. I rather prefer to wear my rep Daytona than this. This is me who owns a lot of gens like a 6263 so I am not been snooby here as I rather wear reps with the design I like rather than comprising due to its price range. Is like Grand Seiko, beautifully finished watch and movement, not the best looking design IMHO

The El Primero is an amazing timepiece! Would love to have one! Also, you forgot to mention Hamilton as one of the watchmakers who worked with breitling and heuer to release one of the first auto chronos. :)

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Yes there were like 5!

I own a few Daytonas and just got the Zenith. Honestly I prefer Zenith and cannot stop staring at it. I wish there was an easy way to reverse it so I can look at the back whenever I want. It’s just so beautiful. I do like the value of the Rolex, but you can also buy Zenith for under retail and just hang onto it.

@Mysteryboy0007

4 ай бұрын

Quit lying lol

@rahulxsood

4 ай бұрын

@@Mysteryboy0007 hmm what,?

Can't help but think of those old time American TVs when I read Zenith (which I believe was bought out by LG)

I'll definitely get one but I'm not sure which one to pick. Chronomaster sport or open...

I've owned this watch for a couple years now and it's still my favorite, so much so that I also got the black dial as well.

Zénith for the Watch passion Daytona for spéculation

Great video,, zenith makes great watches and I love many of their design but this watch just mirrors the design of the legendary Daytona . Give me the one with the crown any day it’s an icon and will transcend generations for years to come .

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

They got close, but the Daytona is a more refined product, I agree

Which watch have more power reserve?

Great! Thanks you.

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

IDK...if you save up, just for a Daytona, you may be crazy, lol! Cool video, bro👍

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

LOL there's plenty of crazies out there 😂

Zenith is sooooooooooooo clean. Love this video

Seiko was the first automatic chrono 1969 ..seiko 6309 First in production not in prototype.. Good job 👍👍👍

Thanks! At least there’s some history!

Max is a quality no nonsense excellent intelligent reviewer

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate that Raoul 👍

Just asked for one today at retailer, they barely have one and its reserved for a customer. The other retailer wanted to put me on a waitlist!!

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Oh geez, at least you shouldn't have to wait until 2028

@tomw485

2 жыл бұрын

I was on a waitlist for 6 months for the white dial strap version at my local AD before it finally came in. The waitlist for the white dial bracelet version is over a year. I can’t speak for the black dial. I think it’s a lot more readily available.

I never really cared much for Zenith until this video. There are so many great watch videos, but Max stands out head and shoulders; eloquent, intelligent, impressive.

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Paul, will try and live up to your high praise!

My dad just gifted me his 1969 Zenith El Primero Revival with the A.384 movement. I’ll have it for the rest of my life and gift it to my son. Maybe I’ll own a Rolex one day but this Zenith is beautiful…

Sick peace! ✌🏻

The El primero is a stand alone watch, minus the Oyster bracelet! Oh, but its a strap monster without hesitation, also a great time piece choice for those who have an itch you cannot scratch! Lol

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, buy the zenith for it's own story, it's never gonna scratch your Daytona itch forever 😉

Agree that. If Daytona and El Primero were the same price I would still take the Zenith but the 1969! By the way screw down pushers don’t make for more water resistance. What counts is the gasket. The Omega Planet Ocean Chrono Is tested to 600m (+20%) and it doesn’t have screw down pushers.

@roycedot

2 жыл бұрын

Screw down pushers can definitely make a Chrono more water resistant. You can also use other means like a gasket. They aren't mutually exclusive. Also, the Planet Ocean has a screw in crown. Same principle.

Usually one could walk in and buy one but the Zenith AD I go to was out and has been out since the release.

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Hmm, my dealer friend had a couple last I checked. Let me know if you want to get in touch

Say what you will, I think it’s awesome that Zenith finally updated its el primero movement and simplified much of its mechanics. However - with any cam/lateral clutch watch, it keeps me using the actual chrono function sparingly as I know I am putting micro wear and tear that will eventually lead to a routine service cost. I know it’s not that big a deal and there are lateral clutches that have been tried and tested for decades, but I feel in 2023 that every maker should focus on developing a vertical clutch mechanism instead. It’s cool watching the lateral clutch do its thing the 4x a year I might look in the back and play with it…but honestly I’d much prefer it hidden and full proof the longevity with a vertical clutch. Please LVMH, develop an in house vertical clutch chrono.

Why this Zenith is better than this Rolex -opens with a brief history lesson including the atomic bomb Me: ok You have My attention

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Always trying to sneak some history in there 😉

To even suggest the daytona is the better watch than the chronomaster sport is madness, marketing yes but that is it.

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

It's a Very divisive issue Lee 😂.

And now chronomaster sport boutique edition 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩

"From investment point of view the Daytona is a better choice"..... Probably you are right on the short term. However, (for year 2020) how many new Rolexes have been sold (± 1.000.000) and how many Zeniths have been sold (± 20.000) and what does that do for a good quality icon in 15-25 years? With the history of the 386 calibre, this El Primero 3600 has the potention to become an icon like the Speedmaster and Daytona have become in the past years. Let's wait, enjoy the Chronomaster and see...

Zenith any day....better looking, better priced, better movement and available.

The Clasp on the El Primero bracelet is a nail breaker, I had to change to a rubber-leather strap.

Definitely a great release from Zenith. I think I realize that the design cue that bothers me about this piece is the abrupt ending to the lugs. It gives me the illusion that this is a chunky... maybe too modern piece - if that makes sense.

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Yes Kelven but it just is a chunky watch 😆. It's hard to hide the blockiness being 10% thicker than a Daytona. It's its ultimate downfall imo.

@free5sole

2 жыл бұрын

@@WatchCrunchOfficial Sadly my tolerance to thicc pieces has gone down. Anything over 13mm is turned over quickly unless it is intentionally chunky (ie. PAM or Seadweller)

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

@@free5sole I'm with you, 11-13mm is amazing for a sports watch. Too thin is a problem too, need a lil substance on the wrist.

Zenith for me!

Definitely not a cheap Daytona knock-off!

The only thing that I believe let’s the watch down is it’s clasp. It makes the bracelet look cheap. I would have given it a push style clasp like an Omega or a hidden deployment.

Were the first 1969 el Primero column wheeled?

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I believe so

So do you yourself have one?

I got two for ya... 1. Better price. 2. Better looks.

Even those that buy the Daytona are fully aware there are many watches far superor vs the Daytona for less even at retail in objective terms... but the main reason for Rolex success is marketing..people purchase it for recognition, status, and as investment. To them, Zenith is a watch people won't recognize that will drop in value vs Daytona which everyone recognizes that increases in value...having been in the industry, I realized most people are concerned about recognition/clout over objective quality.

@Mega-zi7ys

Жыл бұрын

Yes but come to think of it. The real "status" is buying a watch without care about resale/retention value. That's true luxury. That's why the real Modern rolex demographics is the middle class .

@Mega-zi7ys

Жыл бұрын

@@darkcggaming exactly! That's why it's the posers' go to watch brand! But that's for modern rolexes.

I prefer this

I really like the zenith chronomaster original but i feel there is too many star symbols at the dial, the crown and the clasp which makes it looks slightly cheap... i wish they had change the clasp to a laser engraved zenith branding. Change the popup star at the crown to a more subtle laser engraved star and i will buy it.

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, people really hate the star, now I can't unsee them 😆

I liked, just by reading the title. Its so true.

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

LOL hope you enjoyed the video nonetheless

@ricchrono5907

2 жыл бұрын

@@WatchCrunchOfficial thoroughly

Only reason I'd choose a Daytona (at MSRP*) would be to sell it to a fool, and then I'd use the profits to buy a Chronomaster Sport _and_ a Blancpain Bathyscaphe. The chronograph isn't really a matter of utility, it's just a complication. A technical feat.

Don't tell that to the Daytona Snobs. I too would buy a Daytona at retail but not from the grey market. Rolex is jewelry for the Snobs, most dont even know the history of Rolex or the Zeytona. Anyway the point here is that the Zenith is a better tool watch however speculation and the market has turn Rolex into a good investment but not necessarily a better watch.

My vote for El primero 🥇

Does it wear similar to the Daytona or is one noticeably smaller?

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

The Daytona is nothing l noticably thinner

@breaddddd

2 жыл бұрын

@@WatchCrunchOfficial Ah so Daytona just thinner but besides that same profile? I know people say Daytona fits small wrists better than most of the Rolex lineup so thinking about the Chronomaster Sport. But maybe I need a Chronomaster Original…

Many people ask me why buys Defy El Primero 21 & Extreme.. why dont buy Rolex, price for after sales is more better then Zenith.. Simple answer, I Love Detail and i love the watch..

It’s a beautiful watch but it just doesn’t feel like $10,000 quality. The bracelet/clasp feels so cheap and the watch looks like a toy at times. I own this watch but I just can’t see myself keeping it. I’m going to put it on a strap but I’d also really wish I could put a different steel bracelet on it. Excellent video though 👌

Lol. Love these . Want one

I never cared for the modern Daytona, I like the yellow gold Daytona before the ceramic bezel and I like the Vintage Daytona's Paul Newman and back. The only modern watch I really want to buy from rolex that I can't, it's probably the Pepsi GMT

One more thing is that the Daytona is actually a very small 40mm watch, meaning that it wears more like a 38-39mm one, super slender too. Almost feminine, definitely unisex. The Zenith looks like it would suit anyone with a 7+ inch wrist better.

You cannot just walk in and get one anymore. At least in Tx. Year wait at least. But looks Worth it.

@WatchCrunchOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Damn, my guy had 3, maybe call around? Should be easier than a Rolex for sure

In my humble opinion, the Zenith Chronograph Original with reverse panda dial is best looking chronograph money can buy…

“Tenth Second” on the bezel would have been idiotic given that it means the mathematical opposite odd what they’re trying to say.

All Zeniths have top Zenith movements. The better you can't find.

I actually like this watch more than the Rolex Daytona. The difference is value retention.

I’d take the zenith all day long and it has a date ,thanks