Great list. Thanks for doing the research and sharing 👍🏼

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Ragley now 1600 bucks.. thanks for this new list very helpful!!!

Is the Marin San Quentin better than these ones?

i have the canondale trail 4 and the frame is indeed very good, for my use at least, light XC

Great stuff man! I bought a Fezzari La Sal Peak in early 2020 because I'm an "odd" size for bikes. I'm tall. The custom setup was excellent. I got a bike that fit ME and worked right out of the box. I think the bike industry, frame and component manufacturers , has really got to invest in this "entry level" price range. I bought my full suspension Giant Trance 4, which by todays standards is a crappy bike, in 2005 for $800 and it seemed like a fortune at the time. Spending under $1200 is a waste of money imho but, is a tough sell to a non mountain biker. I have watched my friends who want to get into mountain biking buy a "cheap" mountain bike for $500, thinking they have spent a fortune, and hated it.

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent points! I have that conversation a lot with people who want to get into the sport. It's hard to tell someone that to fully enjoy the sport you gotta spend $1,500 but it's partially true. I bought a used Walmart bike for $40 years ago just to try it out. Did one ride on trails and absolutely hated it. The trails weren't bad...just the bike was. Weighed like 45 pounds, chain kept popping off, made horrible noises and my initial impression was this sport sucks. Years later when I decided to spend a bit more and try again...I enjoyed it so much more. I never want to discourage people from trying the sport who have a limited budget, but the old saying "buy it nice or buy it twice" comes to mind with cycling. Sorry for the long rant hhaha

@workhorsemtb7075

2 жыл бұрын

@@CobraKyle demo bikes are the way to go, if you can find one...

Would love to hear your thoughts on the Voodoo Bizango. Especially compared to the SQ1, Fathom, and Xtrada.

Yooo I actually got my hands on the canyon after 3 months of waiting, they all sold out the next day so I was very lucky. Nice video👍

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Congrats on the Canyon. Looks like they delayed the next batch until the fall like right after I released this video lol

@raulll2675

2 жыл бұрын

Im waiting for near a year and it just canceles

Trying to get as much info possible, so thanks for your great videos. I went to the website and saw this bike for same price range (2022 Polygon Siskiu D5 - Dual Suspension Mountain Bike) Do you have any pros or cons?

If i would be starting right now, with what i learned over 3 years and 3 bikes, i would buy that Polygon *right now*. The reason is the Deore 12s, this drivetrain is a dream, especially for the price of that bike, while the other specs are similar to the other, more expensive bikes. I wish i would have started on a bike with these specs! only 3 years ago! The 15x100 front is no big deal, if your going to upgrade the wheelset, you´re probably changing the fork, too. On the other hand, 15x100 used forks should be kinda cheap... I have a Polygon Siskiu T7 for close to a year now and im really happy with it ;) Main deciding factor was the Deore 12s. If you wanna go bikepark on a budget, or have a friend with an ebike to pull you up, get the Canyon ;) "hardcore hardtails" are special, but you also need to be a special kind of rider for them. theres a reason they called this "stoic", i have a Marin SQ1 and you really need to work it, up and down.

@bora01vr6

2 жыл бұрын

Also a 15 dollar non boost to boost conversion kit for the front wheel is more than worth the price when upgrading the fork .

@erraldstyler

2 жыл бұрын

@@bora01vr6 yeah, you will get around that small "disadvantage". The bike is fine as it is, but it has a proper upgrade path if you want to.

I bought the '21 Xtrada 7 in the beautiful blue and yellow. It's a great bike. Best bang for the buck.

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

Very cool! I'm pretty stoked on the Xtrada! Hoping mine comes in soon!

@blipco5

2 жыл бұрын

Mine was a covid purchase. I thought it was high time I replaced my ancient Univega Alaina Uno. LOL. Yes, it was quite the upgrade. What was I thinking. 🍻

He's very sincere and down to earth. I like it. A helpful vid!👍

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

This may be the nicest KZread comment ever! I really appreciate it.

@c3po405

2 жыл бұрын

@@CobraKyle No problem my man! ;)

Good video. Interesting that the WTB tyres on the Polygon aren't tubeless compatible. I took a punt a couple of months ago and converted them to tubeless anyway and they have been perfect. They seem to hold air just as well as tubes and haven't rolled any tyres off the rims.

@H3MaS11

11 ай бұрын

TIRES*

Just finding this, thank you for posting it. I'm graduating from a Trek Marlin 5. My issue is I need an XXL bike so it's hard to find much besides Treks. Any other places I should be looking in the $1200 range? Otherwise, I don't think the Marlin 7 is a slouch.

What are your thoughts on the Vitus nucleus 27 vrs

I remember when the Scott Aspect 940 was at $699 a few months ago now its over $1000

Wish bike companies would keep 26ers alive. I actually sold my 29er and tricked out my 26er. My 26er is so much more nimble and fun on the trails and not much different in rolling or climbing. And it's funny shredding the 29er boys on my 26er.

now this is a classic

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

Giving the viewers what they want!

Thanks for the video. After considering all these models +$800 ones, I decided to go ahead and get a Schwinn Boundary from walmart and just upgrade components to my liking. All those upgrades not gonna cost nearly as much as these manufacturers asking price. Hydraulic brakes and a new fork and lot of other stuff isnt really need that much extra cost imo. Anyways for a newbie like me.

You do a great job mate, I'm in Australia so the Global brands are the familiar one's and also the accessible for me.

@CobraKyle

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Cool to have an Australian viewer!

Which bike would you choose if you were 6’5” tall and 275lbs?

What do you thinl about the Giant Talon 1 2022? It's under $1,000

In this case I'm happy that I live in Germany, bc in Germany the stoic2 costs only 799 and the 3 1199

Where is the Marin San Quentin?

@JoshyWashyy

Жыл бұрын

Bikes online

Canyon Polygon Fezzari Cannondale But that's just my read on it. Thanks for updating this list to reflect current offerings at the price point, I know I've linked back to your other video several times since your t-shirt was fresher.

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

Great minds think alike! I wish the prices hadn't fluctuated that much in two years. I can't even afford a new shirt now!

@davedelarosa319

2 жыл бұрын

@@CobraKyle well, you can do it RJ or OldShovel style and pull something out of the Goodwill. But you're just as likely to end up with a project bike you can't gets parts for 🤷‍♂️

Honestly don’t own a modern mountain bike or have the funds to buy one. Just here ‘cause Kyle cracks me up.

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

haha right on! I'm glad it's enjoyable regardless. Appreciate that!

Polygon such a good deal right now, 2021 27.5 wheel size on sale scooped one up and they threw in a free helmet!

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

Very cool! Congrats! The free helmet is a really nice bonus.

Just found your channel. Enjoying it very much. I am a newbeeee looking for my first mtn bike at age 54. How about Kona Mahuna?

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matt! Glad to have you here! The only thing I don't love about the Kona is it uses open dropouts in the front and rear. At $1,200 that's a total deal breaker for me personally. It does offer a slightly more reputable fork than the bikes listed here, so that is also worth taking into consideration. For a new rider, those things probably don't matter as much, but without thru axles, it limits your parts choices if you damage a wheel or just want to upgrade as you grow. Best of luck in your bike search and I'm excited for you to start riding!

@erraldstyler

2 жыл бұрын

Kona is a legendary brand, but be sure to get a bike with through-axles as Kyle said. Doesnt necessarily have to be boost (15x110f/12x148r), but most will be(industry standard). They are just way more durable and also have a proper upgrade path and availabilty of spares.

@chirpee11

2 жыл бұрын

@@CobraKyle I got the Fezzari with the upgraded fork and it’s been great for me so far. I learned much from your videos. Thanks.

How did canyon keep their stoic at such a low price?

Love your videos but the shirt 😳. Am wrong thinking your biased against trek? Thanks for sharing this with us.

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

Um Harry...I absolutely LOVE Trek! Did you forget I'm a fellow Trek rider?!

@harrygrimley4352

2 жыл бұрын

@@CobraKyle I didn't forget. You got one for your wife. Was just teasing 🙈

Moving to Europe can you please do a video for that market

@saltylures

Жыл бұрын

Go to chain reaction cycles or Halfords. All uk based. Check voodoo bikes.

I have no idea why but I guess my best bet is to get the off road machine 1st to commute and possibly take to the trails on/offroad. once i get used to riding bikes ill potentailly get a road bike. so my options are xtrada 7 for $799, San Quentin for $899, Bobcat Trail 5 for $699. could get a lower end xtrada or bobcat for even less...IDK

Kyle, a hardtail 'all trail' frame that is great exceeds at climbing but capable when descending?

@migueldiaz403

2 жыл бұрын

Spare parts that I have: Marzocchi bomber z2 29er SRAM G2 RSC SRAM 180mm centerlock rotors SRAM NX 12sp Nukeproof neutron handlebar Brand-X dropper post, 31.6mm Wheels, WTB 30i

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

Great question! I personally really enjoyed riding the Rocky Mountain Growler. I don't know if they sell it as a frame though? It certainly is a bit more downhill focused, but I didn't hate climbing with it. I also have a Salsa Timberjack that is really good at just about everything, but I find the frame to be too stiff. If you ride a lot of flow trails it would be excellent for that, but where I live it's very rocky and it just beats me up too much! I've found that a 65 - 66 degree head tube angle is the sweet spot (for me at least) for all round riding. Any steeper and riding downhill gets twitchy, and any slacker, it's a bit cumbersome to climb. Let me know what bikes you were thinking of too. I may have some more suggestions, but off the top of my head the Growler and Timberjack came to mind.

@migueldiaz403

2 жыл бұрын

@@CobraKyle Thanks for the reply. The Growler comes pre-built, the Salsa seems like a great option. I was thinking on the Nukeproof Scout 29, let me know what you think.

@erraldstyler

2 жыл бұрын

@@migueldiaz403 i will throw something in here: Banshee Paradox V3 if you can get it in your country. Frame is kinda expensive, but is supposed to be a good allrounder but railing downhill while not being harsh. hardtail party has one in his fleet, look it up

Who is the best

In Russia i can buy only Cannondale SE 4(and its with the air fork)

EARNED A SUB!!!

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

Right on! Thanks so much!

@z3yr0xsyn1x7

2 жыл бұрын

@@CobraKyle No prob, you need more than 1 million subs to be honest

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that. Very kind! We got a long ways to go!

@z3yr0xsyn1x7

2 жыл бұрын

@@CobraKyle Yep!

Was hoping to see the Marin San Quentin on your list

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

It is a great bike for sure! Just needs that rear thru axle to make it one of the most rad budget bikes.

@Tyler-575

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what I’m maybe getting

@erraldstyler

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tyler-575 i have a SQ1 and a Polygon Siskiu T7 and i strongly recommend the Polygon from the said bikes. reason: 12s Deore, that drivetrain is a dream, also the main reason i decided on the Siskiu T7. The San Quentin 1 disqualifies itself with the QR141 rear hub, mine got toasted in an accident and i cant find any QR141 online here and im not willing to buy a DT Swiss with a QR spacer kit for a 800€ Bike with a garbage suntour coil fork which only works above 20 degrees celsius. Its literally stuck below 20c! To be honest, the SQ1 made me ride LESS. If you really want a *aggressive* cheap hardtail, get the canyon mentioned. But for a beginner on a budget, the polygon xtrada mentioned is unmatched imo. If you really want a SQ, get the 2 or better the 3. Its a special bike, but they really need to up the spec of the 1.

A lot of the stuff mentioned, that justify higher price, comes from marketing department and has very little to do with actual riding. If it would be possible to ride with eyes covered, most of experts could not tell the difference between tapper or straight tube etc. It is always "if you add just 200$ you can get...". After learning how the market function (decades ago), I say, if you add just 200$ you can buy another good bike. My last bike is old Specialized 26 XL frame, with 27.5 wheels, Fox boost fork 140mm, XT brakes etc. Price paid: 100 euros.

Fall 2022 for the canyon

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

Oh no! That sucks. Guess this shortage isn't quite over yet!

@joecozzo5476

2 жыл бұрын

@@CobraKyle nope, unfortunately. Ive got it down to the polygon xtrada 7 or spend a lil more and get the Cannondale se 3.. cause that's really all that's in stock.. love your vids BTW

can you do video like this for Europe people?(i am from russia)

We need a $ budget 29er for 6-ft Rider

Polygon looking real good 27.5

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

One of the best looking paint jobs in the game right now!

@erraldstyler

2 жыл бұрын

loving my siskiu t7 and the t8 is probably even nicer, their paintjobs are on point, although kinda flashy ;) i always get compliments from kids or i see them hanging around my bike when coming from the grocery store one guy came talking to me cause he thought it was the top-model trek from last year haha

Does the US market receive bikes from Cube?

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

They do sell them through chainreactioncycles which ships to the US, but they don't seem to have the full range, or they are always sold out.

@McMaxW

2 жыл бұрын

@@CobraKyle oh that’s a bummer. They have many good offers under $1500 here, in Europe.

Which is the best

@thanosgalonis495

2 жыл бұрын

And ragley big all is better??????

In my country they are too expensive, i wish to have It but don't have enough money 😔

why not kona? didn’t see lava dome. so sexy

long low and slack the only words i need to know :D

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

The only 3 words needed to describe any bike!

Commencal meta HT AM guys :)

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

That is a cool bike, but not gonna get one under $1,200 anymore :(

@smokepurpp3114

2 жыл бұрын

@@CobraKyle ohhhh sad... :(

Asking us to figure out the basic linear function of time plus basic math? WTDuce, asking way too much!

Everything functions properly kzread.infoUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Nothing was damaged in the box aside from a decal on the fork. The decal was missing a piece of a corner but I ended up peeling them off anyways. Assembly is easy BUT make sure you tune up the derailleurs. Both the front and rear need adjusting. I'd advise going to a bike shop but I opted out and put in 10+ hours with the help of KZread. Ended up fraying a shifter cable but all in all I learned from the experience. The Brakes work well but the front caliper needs adjusting or at least mine did because the rotor was rubbing against the pads. Make sure you swap out the seat, grips, and pedals. For the short run you'll be fine though. I've read that this bike isn't built yet for hard trails but I just need it for the city. PA has some of the worst roads and being in a mountain this was a great choice. Worth the investment!

🙈🚴🚴🚴🚴

do NOT get a new shirt, i sub'd

Lol

Great job at butchering the name Wasatch Peak.

Polygon Xtrada 7 is not really worth because of? 1. 27.2 Seatpost ( goodluck find dropper post) 2. Non boost front wheelset and rear are boost 3. Cheap Shimano brake Mt201 4. Crappy SR Suntour Fork 5. To damnn heavy 6. Unidentifiable bike category which is trail/xc 7. Cheap aluminium material, barely can notice when you paddle uphill, the crank and frame not rigid Please don't buy, buy another brand

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

Can you name a bike for $1,100 that is lightweight, and has high end components? I can't because it probably doesn't exist. Any bike at this price point has compromises. I recommend the PNW dropper post that I discussed in the video. Longest 27.2mm dropper on market currently, and I've always had good experiences with their products. It's cool if you aren't a fan of this bike, but realistically I think most bikes in this price range will suffer from some if not all the points you brought up.

@liewkampa2854

2 жыл бұрын

@@CobraKyle in my country Trek Marlin actually more affordable 100$ cheaper than Polygon. Fact we are neighbors with Polygon factory but beside country which is 900km away more close than company build trek

@erraldstyler

2 жыл бұрын

You talk about frame stiffness on a HARDTAIL and then you recommend a bike with QR axles? Have fun with it, the Polygon is the better bike for the money and it has a real upgrade path.

@Smegma_pirate

2 жыл бұрын

6061 tubing is pretty standard these days. I haven’t heard many complaints about his bike until you popped up

@Smegma_pirate

2 жыл бұрын

@@erraldstyler do People not realize that the qr skewer is only there to clamp the wheel? These a larger diameter axle in there that is making the connection to the frame/fork

Nice video. My Xtrada 7 came with tubeless ready 2.35's. Super happy with it.

@CobraKyle

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! That's interesting yours came with tubeless ready tires. Probably due to parts shortage they put on what was available. Which tires did it come with?

@MrWhiskeyShits

2 жыл бұрын

@@CobraKyle Yea, I lucked out. It came with Schwalbe Racing Ralph Evos.

@erraldstyler

2 жыл бұрын

@@CobraKyle my t7 (in germany) came on Hans Dampfs, some people (in australia i think) complained about their bikes coming with VeeTire Crown (hate those xd) or something. I can understand the complaining, but it´s probably really due to the lack of availability for parts... (try finding a deore 12s cassete lol)

@sergeantbear

2 жыл бұрын

How's your xtrada holding up?

@MrWhiskeyShits

2 жыл бұрын

@@sergeantbear Fantastic, but I do have an aftermarket fork and a dropper and stuff on it. Great bike stock, but I wanted to enhance it.

i'm in the market for a Strada bike bt damn dude them fangs you have! freaking vampire!!! with all due respect though