TIMESTAMPSSS!!! 00:00 Start 00:26 Creation: Vishap and Oceanids 01:44 The Primordial Sea 04:31 Egeria's Creation 04:15 The Original Sin 10:05 Egeria the Heart

Why do people still think Oceanids are Vishaps? Not that the signs weren't there since v1.0 and clarified in Enkanomiya, but Oceanids are plainly not Elemental creatures because of their close connection with the Human realm. The Wings specifically address this issue by saying Egeria is neither a dragon nor a god (when first created), Egeria is made from native materials but by a Celestial (invasive) deity. She is deliberately described as spanning the two realms and so do her servitor race, the Oceanids. They've always looked a bit Light realm (look like they are made of water, sometimes radiate Hydro to elemental sight) and a bit Human realm (speaking, interested in humans, people from Fontaine turn into them). Plus we've already met Bathysmal Vishaps. We already know what a Hydro Vishap look like. They look kinda like Geo Vishaps. Like a sort of mini dragon thing with reptilian features.

@Sacration

9 ай бұрын

You are absolutly right! I agree! Dragon is the whole race but just like Dogs or cats they have subspiecies. Bathysmals are hydro. Geovishaps are geo. The whole reason why Neuvillette is human is because his kin "Bathysmal vishaps" are unpure due to Orobashis experimentations. And why, Azdaha the geo sovereign is said to be the King of his kin the "Geovishaps" It is simple. Neuvillette was/is a Bathysmal that mastered the purest, rawest form of elemental energy Water, were hydro comes from Same for Azdaha, a Geovishap that mastered the purest, rawest form of geo aka Stone/Earth

@walkingcat7630

9 ай бұрын

​@@SacrationSince when did azdaha became the geo sovereign?

@Syiepherze

9 ай бұрын

​​@@walkingcat7630It's not outright stated that he's a _Sovereign_ per se, but tbh there isn't really a better contender here. He's a Geo elemental, a super ancient Vishap, and sometimes is referred to as a "Dragon Lord". It's also (kind of) a running theme for Archons to have interactions with dragons of their respective elements; namely Barbatos and Dvalin (not a Sovereign but could be a descendant maybe?), Morax and Azhdaha, Buer and Apep, and now Focalors and Neuvillette

@Sacration

9 ай бұрын

​@@SyiepherzeYep, you said it all.

@DavidJohnson-ib1dh

9 ай бұрын

Azhadaha claims to be several billion years old. @@walkingcat7630

to add to that "Tears" motif, hoyo added Tears mechanic that we first saw with Navia crying or part of a side quest with another npc

9:05 I like this theory though it contradicts the Enkanomiyas prophecy - Egeria recreating the new hydro sovereign but as a human since she doesn't know how to create a draconic body similar to how Celestia didn't know either and Egeria is supposedly the result of it. Neuvillette and Furina/Focalors being siblings would be nice a touch seeing how much they care for eachother. (Not saying I disprove of any ship regarding them or others with them)

@Sacration

9 ай бұрын

Yes and heavily

So this theory is light on what Egeria's Sin actually was. Sin is mentioned only in the context of the ill-fitting and I think a bit clichéd idea of humans rebelling against the gods which is based on the opening scene of the game and Unknown God bitching about human arrogation. But we have since learned this was misleading and Khaenri'ah didn't fight with the Abyss but against it. Humans aren't rebelling that way. The Wings even say that humans want a god to worship (sorry Keqing). And if the "Sin" was about humans rebelling then (1) why is it limited to Fontaine? (2) In what sense did Egeria commit the sin? (3) In what sense is this sin "The Fairest"? (4) In what sense is this a sin that all creatures of Hydro are tempted? So, no, that's not Egeria's Sin. Egeria's Sin was most likely something she did to the humans of Fontaine that made them more like her Oceanids in the sense of spanning the Human and Light realms. She contaminated or altered her humans. This could certainly be seen as a huge "Sin" by the Primordial One / Celestia. Presumably her ability to do this is dependent upon her Hydro affinity (hence the warning to all Hydro creatures) and her dual citizenship of Light and Human realm. To Egeria all she was doing was furthering her communications with others hence it's a "Fair" Sin from her point of view. It also explains why the humans are blamed for what Egeria does - because they are / constitute the Sin she commits. They ARE the aberration of human life. Now this does leave the question of who Neuvillette is referring to when he stops the Primal Sea waters and apologizes for blocking the punishment because the sentence was too much. It seems unlikely that Egeria would be in the business of punishing other people for her Sin, let alone over punishing it, so it has to be some other entity and I assume it's some other dragon like Skyla(?) or the Whale (if they aren't the same creature) or possibly Celestia (but my guess is a dragon like Neuvillette wouldn't care two pins what Celestia though about anything or apologize to them).

@elmayiyenmu

9 ай бұрын

I think the sin is creation

@sakurahirawa

9 ай бұрын

@@elmayiyenmuI think that would make sense if Celestia considers Sins, since Celestial are ‘aliens’ or ‘foreign beings’. So it’s a Sin that they were created as Teyvat beings, and not Celestial beings.

@JustSomeGuyWithAMug

7 ай бұрын

XD

Hey man ! Hope you're doing great 🐧

bro fontaine just made a gigantic lore bomb ppl are going insane over this

The idea of furina being an oceenid is kinda out there for me

Ummm (Looks at Furina X Neuvillete fanart) , you do realize that if Neuvillete and Furina are siblings being the first creations of the Egeria than we the community committed Alabama. And we already have an Alabama ship Aether X Lumine...😢

@yairiscapellan4874

9 ай бұрын

Adam and Eve were creations of God and that did not make them brothers. And it is obvious that Fontain's Wings refers to that with Egeria, the First Tear and the Swan.

@silverhawkscape2677

9 ай бұрын

@@yairiscapellan4874 Well that makes things easier. It would interesting if they really see each other as Siblings then than all of Neuvillettes reactions are funny because now, he literally can't rid himself of Furina, just roll with it.

@yairiscapellan4874

9 ай бұрын

@@silverhawkscape2677 True, it's also fun but who knows... until the release of 4.2 we can only speculate if they only see themselves as Brothers or lovers.

@TheGeekyRedMage

9 ай бұрын

My dude... Like that has ever stopped some people. lol Also, you shouldn't be caring this much about what other people make because of a theory of all things. Even if it becomes true, just block and mute tags to curate a more comfortable space for yourself cause it's not your business what other people make with fiction.

Yes can’t wait for 2.4 to come out 🎉

@dasytaylor

9 ай бұрын

2.4 best Fontaine patch!

@crownedking_cj8890

9 ай бұрын

@@dasytaylor😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I see that I am not the only one who thought about the possibility that Egeria Created both Neuvillette and Furina, after reading Fontain's Wings. Which would be an interesting parallel to the biblical story of Adam and Eve and Original Sin. Another thing that catches my attention after doing a WQ of 4.2 is that apart from Egeria, there is mention of an Entity called Erinias and even in a document in one of the abandoned Zones of the Science Institute, it is mentioned that there is an Opera which recreates the farewell between Egeria and Erinias before she left for Khaenria. which led me to think that Maybe Erinias is Neuvillette (since we don't know his name, only his last name) or perhaps the Voice that is inside the Oratrice (since we know that she has her own consciousness). But of course, if Erinias were Neuvillette or if he and Furina were Egeria's first creations, then they would have to explain to us why Neuvillette does not remember his past well and was isolated from the human world until Furina found him.

@MefoWho

9 ай бұрын

But it make no sense of the tone of Neuvilette when he was stopping the water, which imo implied that he "agreed" to the punishment, later decided to "overruled" it. With Neuvilette spaced out when he saw Furina walked out, i do think they have a deeper relationship, which lead me to think that the decision to overrule the punishment came from the attachment with Furina/the people of Fontaine? It would be cool if Egeria and "Erinnyes" found a loop hole to give the sovereign their power back through the gnosis ( which Neuvilette full ascension quote said that he can be a fullfledge dragon once he get it) by transfering one conscious to a new body that is "marked" by Celestia.Which could be linked to the original sin of adam and eve, using forbidden knowledge to make it possible. Also one more note that im not so sure about biblical stuff, I remember that Adam and Eve's perspective changed when they obtained the knowledge/eat the fruit from Eden, which give me questions about how Neuvilette likes melusines, since they have a different perspective of things.

@ShiroTeri

9 ай бұрын

Isn’t Erenias a greek goddess of vengeance in real mythology?… and I just read that in English her name is associated with Furies.. goddess+FURies…

@Sacration

9 ай бұрын

SPOILERS Erinnyes was a Lochknight to whom Egeria task to retrieve the Chalice of pristine sea she gave to King Remus (the one he extracted dewdrops to create his golden ichor) after his death, she dedicated her whole life to it but didnt find it. Then she went to Egeria to tell her and ask about the prophecy, Egeria tells her and intrust Erinnyes to find a solution to the prophecy before she went to tunigui hollow... But Erinnyes freaks out, panic an run away never to be seen again... In my personnal opinion, Erinnyes is Furina. Also the story of the hero Ajax that Childe father named him after is a Remurian story and the original name is Aias

@yairiscapellan4874

9 ай бұрын

@@MefoWho That's true, it's a little strange that Neuvillette said that when he stopped the primordial sea, but let's remember that he also wonders why the sea acts that way since it's supposed to be something that creates life but not destroys it, so it's probably that the sea is contaminated with energy from the Abyss (which thanks to the Aranara quest we know that it destroys all forms of life) and that is why he said about "overuled". And on the subject of Adam and Eve, it is indeed biblical that, upon ingesting the forbidden fruit, their perspectives changed because they now possessed forbidden knowledge.

@Sacration

9 ай бұрын

​​@@ShiroTeriErinyes is not a person in particular but the Collective name of the 3 greek primordial infernal goddesses of Vengeance, protection and gardians of Justice. They are : Alekto "Endless anger" Megaera "Jealous rage" Tisiphone "Vengeful destruction" *Alekto is sometime called Alecto and Tisiphone, Tilphousia They Are water deities Update : They are the greek equivalent of the Furies. They are basically the same and serve the same purpose

Did you just say 2.4 instead of 4.2? 🙉 00:20

😮 .. celestial tears and primordial water 😮😮😮

I don't think "shard" has ever been mentioned before and the English word is a poor fit for the "gnoses are bits of dragon" theory. Does anyone know what the Chinese word is? In English a shard suggests that an original crystalline object was fractured into many pieces and the shard is one such piece. So it makes no sense to say there was one shard from each dragon. It makes more sense to say the one that gave Egeria the shard was the Primordial One (again what does the Chinese says?) and that at one point all seven shards were part of one crystal belonging to the Primordial One, that the Fatui are now trying to recreate by gathering all the pieces.

@Sacration

9 ай бұрын

Yes exactly, the shard that gave Egeria her divinity is the Gnosis gifted by the Primordial one. All the elements make their element, the Omni element or Light. This is why they called it shard... its not the first time they gave shard of themselves aka the 4 shinings shades

@DavidJohnson-ib1dh

9 ай бұрын

Well if all 7 shards used to be part of one "crystal" then it makes the description about Paimon being a multi-coloured "balloon" tied to Celestia, a bit more suspicious. @@Sacration

@Sacration

9 ай бұрын

​@@DavidJohnson-ib1dhYes exactly, plus in TCG she has the omni element (Light so all colors) too ... shes more and more suspicious

Internet Explorer: Finally, a worthy opponent

@deathshadow533

9 ай бұрын

Our battle will be legendary

it makes sense with the Death of Egeria it was 500 years ago, in the flashblack of Neuvillette shown in the legendary mission it was 400 years ago the time period that Neuvillette appeared.

I've had my talks with both ShadowX5452 gaming and My name for now but the conclusion was same she's either a primordial being of pure water like loachknights or An Oceanid queen bron from egeria I wanna bet my fries on loachfolks because they're not shown much and if an archon is the last survivor it would be an interesting thing but i still don't get how this would fit in unless focalors is the reason why prophecy was delayed 500yr ago and egeria died or maybe she was sealed in golden chalice that remus had one of his Harmost stole it contacted one of the 4 shades that's how everia was born from primordial water Tho this is just pure speculation and my headcanon i wanna see some continuation of remus connection to Egeria or focalors

@DavidJohnson-ib1dh

9 ай бұрын

No reason they'd ever say exactly what Furina was before she was promoted to a god. They don't really say of many gods. They do mention Zhongli was an illuminated beast but for whatever reason half the community thinks Zhongli was a dragon so it's not like people care when the game does specify. Ei and Makoto aren't really said, nor Havria, Guizhong, Osial or his wife, Decarabian, Deshret or Remus. I thought Andrius was a wolf but apparently that's disputed. The only firm knowledge is about Venti, Nahida/Rukkhadevata and Egeria. Oh and Marchosius was said to be born of a spark but that might be a metaphor. It just doesn't seem that important what species Furina used to be. But if she's a regular god of the Human realm that might be part of why the Oceanids snubbed her.

@osmial

9 ай бұрын

@@DavidJohnson-ib1dh i also kinda find it weird why their races are not mentioned therein can only be 2 reasons 1 they're just normally highest concentrated elemental beings like venti 2 they serve the future story purpose As for zhongli being a dragon that's not true that's just one of his vessel's he is a prime adeptie who knows how to shape shift he has been seen as a woman,dragon,beast,human he can be anything the only thing we know is he is connected to the rocks of teyvat As for andrias i think he's just a higher elemental being like venti but in wolf form like moonlit wolf he seems to control both anemo and cryo but unlike him there have been many god's in past who have either mastered all seven elements(like deshret) or 1 or 2 extra since he was stronger than both decarabian and venti and has always be seen with cryo more i think his anemo power is just venti or istaroth granting him blessings of anemo while he's just a highly concentrated wolf that has alot of elemental power

@Sacration

9 ай бұрын

​​​@@DavidJohnson-ib1dhTHANK GOD someone that says that Morax was an Illuminated beast and not adeptus, as adeptus is not a race but a spiritual state. In fact, he is an hybrid Geovishap and Qilin. They are stated to be Liyue most ancient mythical creature but again, this is one of the MANY form he took during his life (we can say that he took it as the god of Liyue to represent of most ancient beings of his land) there is no way to know for sure. For The Raiden twins, they are most likely Thunder and Lightning itselves. Ei said "Im the very incarnation of Lightning, a divine bolt" so as Ei and Makoto were twins I suppose Makoto was thunder. Egeria is obviously a primordial divinity, the Primordial Goddess of Water, Regina of all people, kin and Waters - Title passed down to Furina Nahida/Rhukadevatta are avatars of Irminsul Venti a wisp spirit part of the thousands winds of Time Deshret was likely a griffin if we took the Murals of his nation into account. He was always depicted either as a black star or a griffin Andrius always was and is A Wolf as Orobashi was always a serpent. It exist Animalistic and Humanoid gods in Genshin

@osmial

9 ай бұрын

@harryshade5700 the thing is most of the beings in teyvat are purest forms of elemental energy but again even if there exists a similar being they're not the same take orobashi for example he was a snake god possibly electro(in the cut scene to be exact) but in case of Raiden siblings they're very different similarly the thunder bird was also a force to be aware of but again Raiden seems like she could bypass it with sheer force i think raiden is more of a divine elemental being than just your average being (also she mentions her ideal's and purest self is closest to heaven) which just further solidify archons may have been made with divine power's

@osmial

9 ай бұрын

@@Sacration Egeria for sure is primordial divine being as one of the 4 shades made her after the former hydro dragon's heart she both had primordial power yet divinity as well she was divine but without purpose Egeria is mainly depicted as mother of all sea and as we know one of the shade is responsible for giving her new life the shade can easily be the Life itself a being responsible for all lifeform on teyvat back in creation age

6:51 at this point, we all already did buddy 😑 Also, a similar case to Rukkhadevata might be plausible here, minus the tree and whole things burned down and more of... uuuuh.... we're going to drown one way or not deal? 9:27 hmm... This got me thinking, perhaps this is why the Statue wields a claymore/giant sword. Because it's Egeria's, not Furina's. And I'm stretching this since the statue of Sumeru might be referencing the previous Archon before Rukkhadevata, or her previous incarnation(correct me, I'm definitely wrong in some parts). Hence why it looked different to her and Nahida outside of several cosmetic or height resemblances. Hence if Furina "not the Archon" theory has some semblance of correctness to it, then her role has always been Neu's navigator to understand Humanity to save Fontaine as Egeria always intended? Might be why the Knave judged Furina as a fake Archon so bluntly as Furina's role wasn't there to be the region's ruler, but the navigator? Both for Neu and Fontaine's society as a whole? I don't know, my brainfart moment feels all over the place 💀

@rolo1178

9 ай бұрын

"Undoubtedly, Furina has been loved by the people of Fontaine from the moment she became the Hydro Archon". This is a quote from her official drip marketing. The "not an archon" theory is hilarious in my opinion, from all angles.

@0:20 2.4 already released 😂 😂

Furina the white swan?

She recreated life after the first flood, which is a big no no. She is guilty .

I'm ready for C2 Furina

It's pronounced "Ka-li-rho-i". It's Greek. Was surprised you didn't research this.

BUT and this is a BIG BUTT 🤭

@kazoo-zo

9 ай бұрын

Butt?

furina god of nothing