I'm convinced that Celestia is essentially farming humans for ambition. Anyone that ascends isn't welcomed as a new god, but instead has reached maturity and is being cultivated. Vennessa's apparent fear in Celestia would be an indication of this, as well as her subsequent flight. If the sky is a lie, why wouldn't we question those who supposedly created it?

What about Yokai, Illuminated Beasts, and Puppets that get visions. We saw that Scara could ascend to godhood.

@windeen

3 ай бұрын

Exactly.

@AruHiseki

2 ай бұрын

the idea was that anyone with 9 orifices would count (hopefully they have 9 orifices lol). so i thiiinkkk they would count 😄. but humans I think are just meant for something else compared to others in the grand scheme

@windeen

2 ай бұрын

@@AruHiseki Some might have more than 9 considering they aren't human. Though, so far we haven't seen any that might have more.

@rao9574

2 ай бұрын

Did Kirara receive her vision as cat/yokai? As I remember, it was in her story. She was so curious about humanity, so she received dendro.

@MarkyDaBiscuit

2 ай бұрын

Yes ​@@rao9574

We also know of a couple of humans who learned how to use elemental magic even before they got their Visions, namely Mona and Yelan (at least), to say nothing of the Akademiya having an entire school about manipulating the elements. Heck, pretty much anyone can use magical alchemy, which was the point of the recent potion shop event.

@-libertyprimev1-902

2 ай бұрын

Also a couple of those Eremite classes

@lnsflare1

2 ай бұрын

@@-libertyprimev1-902 To be fair, they don't use the magic themselves, they have weapons that are possessed by elemental djinn.

@kotarouinugami1745

2 ай бұрын

@@-libertyprimev1-902 From what we know, Eremites rely on their ancestral jinn fragment weapons. Which seem to be similar to Delusions (which are made of god fragments), but as usual for King Deshret's civilization, are more sophisticated. And also made of less powerful and less dangerous beings.

@silverhawkscape2677

2 ай бұрын

Lisa literally said in her character story she needed a vision if she wanted to be a mage

@lnsflare1

2 ай бұрын

@@silverhawkscape2677 Lisa was already at a magic school learning magic at the time. She said that getting a Vision would make it easier, but she also specializes in Alchemy, a magic that is available to everybody, which her recent event kinda underlined.

Okay hear me out: Paimon is seven visions in a trenchcoat and that’s why the traveler can use the elements without a vision

@randomstranger3963

3 ай бұрын

She does have the omni symbol on her design

@leonardoalvarenga7572

3 ай бұрын

@@randomstranger3963 The triquetra most likely represents the Three Moon Sisters in Genshin's context.

@ivetta8498

2 ай бұрын

i thought she was a seelie ❤️ since she's guiding the traveler and is obsessed with treasure

Visions are a way that Celestia found, to help speed up the healing process of the Primordial One's wound. It recycle people's wishes, desires and beliefs into energy that can be absorbed by the usurper. Bypassing the need to be directly worshiped, which is the default way of how a god gets most of their power, in turn also helping with regeneration.

@AruHiseki

2 ай бұрын

This I think too. SOOOOO BAAADDD I want to think that, but we dont have the slightest to reference (or atleas I dont lol). We know from Before the Sun Moon that theres some allegorical sense with Parable of the Tree, and we can use Neuvillette's lore with the usurpers too. but thats about it.

@tamas9554

2 ай бұрын

Interesting theory, though I can hardly imagine how can beings as small as humans give enough power to heal a celestial entity akin to the Primordial One. There's also zero support for it in the story, unfortunately :/

@lususnaturae881

2 ай бұрын

@@tamas9554 In most media, the soul is a powerful energy source beyond human comprehension. Even in D&D, Gods require worship to gain power, the more they are worshiped, the more power they have. The power of belief is generally very strong in media. In Fontaine, the Oratrice is powered by human's belief in justice, and in 500 years it gained enough power to run a city for Millennia, or, as it was used, to not only kill an archon, but utterly smash their divine seat mandated by Celestia, quite literally killing a god and their divinity. Now imagine if Ambitions are even MORE powerful than a human's belief in justice, and consider that they have been farmed by Visions providing humans a way to chase those ambitions?

@tamas9554

2 ай бұрын

@@lususnaturae881 The Oratrice still required half a thousand years to collect enough power to kill an Archon. That is not a small feat, but its still quite the number. By this comparison, the Primordial One should have been healed already. I don't actually believe humans serve this purpose at all, they were present in Teyvat even before the Second Who came. Their purpose is different, but the plans of the Heavenly Principles are a mystery to us as of now.

Heizou is also a example of someone who found a random rock for it to turn into a vision, when fishing with his now dead freind

I noticed that the person on the throne sending the princess and prince off to get the Genesis Pearl in the Gnostic Chorus story intro has an insanely similar color palette to Paimon, you can see it for yourself by color picking from each character and comparing them side by side

@MoonTideTheOneAndONLY

2 ай бұрын

That actually gives an interesting theory that paimon could be sending us to collect all 7 elements in order to fight our abyss sibling who she may have sent to khaenri’ah alongside them

22:46 figuring out why someone has a vision is one of the trickiest parts of making a Genshin OC, that’s why I’ve only made two ocs. My self-insert OC’s reason for having a vision was at first because the gods seemed to pity her after she was cursed, but later I decided the real reason was that she dedicated herself to bearing the cursed item so it wouldn’t hurt anyone else, and this desire to protect others is why the gods gave her a Vision, except she doesn’t quite understand that so she still thinks it’s the pity option

18:29 I do no believe just any vision wielder can use waypoints. We already know that Shinobu and Itto came to Liyue by boat in the beetle event, and in the Sumeru archon quest, we can open the map when we're in the Nilou point of view and the map has zero waypoints on it during that part of the story. Yeah, it could just be that they don't want you to teleport away in the middle of the story, but when paired with how we know other characters actually travel places rather than teleport, it makes it seem more like that was also showing us that Nilou is not able to use waypoints. If I am missing some key information that proves vision wielders can use waypoints, please tell me, but until then, I'm pretty sure it's just the traveler who can use waypoints.

@blakcnagisa01

3 ай бұрын

didn't Katherine made a joke about that? she acknowledged them, but apparently everyone forgot how to use them?

@AruHiseki

2 ай бұрын

Teleport waypoinnts can be used (consumable: potable waypoint lore) Itto and Shiobu might not have discovered the waypoints? but idk... There was a time when trial characters like Thoma and Yoimiya could teleport to waypoints for theorycrafting but i cant remember anymore... With the Nilou one Its prolly just Hoyo being weird for story purposes sometimes, it also happened with the traveler during Caribbert ad that included a statue of the Seven too. Making sense of waypoints are hard but I just assume it is based on lore kek.

@captaindanger13

2 ай бұрын

@@blakcnagisa01 oh true

@captaindanger13

2 ай бұрын

@@AruHiseki ah yeah it seems hoyo just doesn't let us for certain archon quests. i'll just wait on more concrete info about the teleport points, but as the other person here said, waypoints were mentioned in a conversation with Katherine at one point, so Idk.

@kotarouinugami1745

2 ай бұрын

Maybe every Vision holder can, theoretically, use teleport waypoints, but most of them don't know it? Just like there is a way Hilichurls use elemental powers without a vision and humans just don't know it.

Also, in the beginning of the game when you first align with Anemo Element. MC says "Thats not good" to obtaining it. Major hint probably.

I wonder if the masterless vision Ningguang found was always a Liyue vision, since all of them have different shapes.

Eh... if you know about the quote in that dev interview about "humans have a higher purpose than Adepti in the world of Teyvat" then you should also have mentioned the next part of the sentence, which as I recall, says basically that humans can't become Adepti, and doesn't that contradict much of what you're suggesting in the first 6 minutes? If humans cannot cultivate and reach some sort of state in the way the Adepti do? Nor is the Traveler an Adeptus. Also later you conflate "have a higher purpose" with "serve a higher purpose". I'm not sure why there are so many theories based around the concept that "the gods" need to bug people so as to spy on them. We never get any hint in the game that any such thing is going on, or that gods lack knowledge of the lives of ordinary people. While there is the description of fixed fate events as "where the gods gaze falls" and some flowery language by Dainsleif about how Khaenri'ah was outside of the gods' gaze, or the Dark Sea, nobody really thinks that eg the Unknown God was unable to see what Khaenri'ah was up to. or else why do they apparently react to it? We're told Celestia is asleep for 500 years let alone spying on people, still less that they need bits of metal and crystal to spy through. Generally in stories like this gods just know all the stuff they need to know (which is what Dainsleif says of himself and he's not even a god), and don't know the stuff they don't need to know for plot purposes. So for example for plot purposes Venti knows and doesn't know about stuff going on in Mondstadt, and Ei does and doesn't know about stuff going on in Inazuma. Nahida more specifically says she can enter people's minds and read their thoughts and memories. And she also says she can read Irminsul which contains everyone's memories of the past. Why would she need to use people's Visions to spy on them? And are the far higher gods of Celestia weaker than Nahida? Zhongli notes that Azhdaha's avatar can read the memories of rocks and stones and this is a rare ability. So can't Zhongli do that? Why would he need a Vision to spy on people if every stone and rock is a video camera recording everything for someone like Zhongli? Getting back to the humans practicing cultivation but not ever able to become an adeptus thing -- there's no actual example of humans having elemental power without some artificial reason is there? Whether it's a Vision, a Delusion, the Emerites with their magical weapons, the Hilichurls and other Neohumans with their (I assume) power to absorb lower tier energy using Abyssal energy, or the Twins (I assume) power to absorb lower tier energy using Celestial energy, Not even the sufferers from Eleazar who it is said had too much elemental energy in their bodies, had a way to discharge that energy. Nor does René who makes the claim about avoiding Visions, provide his followers or himself with any other way to use the 7 great elements, short of becoming a Neohuman. That's not to say humans don't command other powers without a Vision including alchemy, sorcery, thaumaturgy and astrology, nor does it rule out some unique cases like Signora (although arguably there wasn't much left of her humanity after she devolves into a sort of living flame). I'm just not seeing the human elemental users who gain their powers merely though cultivation. All the human Adeptal disciples (Shenhe, Yaoyao etc) have Visions. They aren't able to become real Adepti but nobody says they need to throw away their Visions so far as we know. I don't think Kazuha had two Visions. His dead friend is the one with the ambition to try and stop the Shogun's blade, not Kazuha. Presumably his dead friend is the one who has the Vision that belongs to him, and he comes back to life in some sense, for a few seconds, to achieve that goal. Not sure why you think Hydro Visions are only given as a reward for hardwork instead of for ambition like all the other six elements. You already admitted Neuvillette doesn't even know about the process' workings so how could he know if the people he gives Visions to have worked hard? it's not up to him. Nor can he customize Visions for the same reasoning - he isn't even aware the process is going on, so on what basis could he possibly customize? We don't know that Electro Visions ever started back up again. We are not told that it's Celestia that has to deem someone "worthy" nor are we told that allogenes have to be "worthy" at all. In fact we're told Celestia is asleep, so how are they able to judge someone worthy? Not sure why you (and I've heard it before) think that for an old Vision to be reused the ambition of the new allogene has to align with that of the old allogene. What evidence is there for that? The only time someone gets a Vision from an old one (Mona, Ningguang) we are told nothing of their prior allogene or their ambitions. Do you think Barbeloth is an allogene and gives her Vision to Mona? That's not even possible normally as Keqing for example tries to get rid of her Vision. I don't think you can just hand them off. Even if you did want to. We're not told if there's some special process involved in taking Visions in Inazuma but there might be some reason they have to stick them in a silly statue for example. There's also no reason to think that using a masterless Vision gets you a Vision faster than it would have happened anyway. Here's the full quote from the dev interview which makes very clear humans cannot become Adepti. "The adepti are based on the idea of demigod-like "immortals" (仙人 xianren) in Daoism, and are referred to by the honorific title "sanyan wuxian" (三眼五显), literally "three eyes and five manifestations" (but localized in English as "mighty and illuminated"). The adepti are classed as non-human, based on the notion that "All who have nine orifices can achieve immortality through self-discipline," a line uttered by the "Monkey King" Sun Wukong in the Ming-dynasty novel Journey to the West. This means that animals are also capable of achieving adeptus status. However, humans have a higher purpose than adepti in the world of Teyvat, so for this reason, only those of non-human status can be referred to as "adepti" in Liyue." So there are no humans who can use the elements merely by cultivating. OTOH even a creature as pitiful as a Hilichurl Shaman who used to be a human can use the elements. Do Hilichurls cultivate? No. They are Neohumans though. So cultivation does not lead to elemental use in humans by neohumanism does. ---------------------------------------------- I had a theory about Visions being a block on human development and something that holds them back from the true path etc etc, back years ago and compared it to the way torcs work in Many Colored Land but -- the Devs went another way in the end.

@rhoem1353

3 ай бұрын

So long

@davidjohnson8273

3 ай бұрын

@@rhoem1353 TL/DR: humans cannot gain elemental powers by cultivation, but rather by neohumanism

@GhostEmblem

3 ай бұрын

@@davidjohnson8273 What is neo humanism?

@davidjohnson8273

3 ай бұрын

@@GhostEmblem When the human evolves into some sort of creature with a lot of black armor-like skin typically with the ability to return to the human form. Hilichuls (various types) being the most basic example but including Abyss mages, Abyss Lectors, Heralds, Baptists, the Black Serpent Knights and related, Arlecchino and Cater, and the disciples of Surtalogi (eg Childe, Skirk) with the Foul Transformation. The term is used by René. "Neohuman" means "new human"

@GhostEmblem

3 ай бұрын

@@davidjohnson8273 TY, its an interesting term since abyssal corruption can happen to any creature from Dvalin to Consecrated Beasts, if I'm understanding what we're referring to correctly. Also just wanted to point out that Mona, Signora before she fused with fire and a few others could use elemental magic without a vision.

I was specting La Signora to be mentioned, since she was a human that could control the elements without a vision 🤔

@michaelsaunders4020

Ай бұрын

To be fair La Signora (Spoilers): Was a Pre-Cataclysm student at the Sumeru Akademiya who, after letting anguish & hatred fill her heart, turned herself into a literal elemental being that was the Crimson Witch of Flames so I think she gets a pass on that.

I don't think we've seen any humans in Teyvat cultivating according to internal alchemy without a Vision. Jiang Xue is a great example of a mysterious master without a vision but yes he did have one. One would think cultivating is not possible or maybe dangerous because of humans capable of consuming only the watered-down elemental power (according to sangocorex description) because of their outworldly origin. Yes, there is also Rene... but he's an oceanid essentially.

I keep thinking of Sovereign from the first Mass Effect and something he said: " Your civilization is based on [the technology of the mass relays], our technology. By using it, your society develops along the paths we desire." Swap "the technology of the mass relays" for Visions. I strongly suspect that this may be one factor for why visions are granted. By using a vision, a being relies on the portion of Sovereign Authority they've been granted by Celestia rather than their own ability to cultivate elemental affinity. They are assigned a singular element, and they identify a specific with or ambition that tends to guide their entire life moving forward. The vision is tied to a constellation, and their future is now bound to the fate within that constellation. I think that these visions are given to those who, unguided, would be capable of developing in unexpected ways in order to reign them into the design that the Heavenly principles have made and also curb the development of omni-elemental beings. I also suspect, but do not have sufficient evidence for the theory that constellations may even become recycled over generations as people die and their memories are collected via the ley lines and gathered within Irminsul. Perhaps a singular constellation becomes reinforced over time as a person is granted that vision and the constellation bound to it, they accumulate memories according to the fate they've been assigned, and then when they die the memories are collected and go into Irminsul and feed the fruits of that constellation (for the stars in the Firmament are the fruits of irmunsul). As more people over generations awaken that constellation and follow its fate, their memories of that fate reinforce the strength of the fate of that constellation. It would go a good way to explaining the cyclical nature of the history of Teyvat.

It could simply be that Kazuha facing Raiden's blade head on just meant that the wish was fulfilled, or that he only cared for it momentarily because it was the direct way to save the traveller, but the spark of the original wish was still there so the vision ignited for a second. I don't think he's any less inclined to do it from that point onwards, but he's just not aiming to.

If you think the humans can win against the abyss or celestia without elemental power , your high asf

*Nice video!* Questioning the _"obvious and established truths"_ of *Genshin* seems to be _the way,_ in my opinion - as pretty much everyone that taught us these "facts" is _unreliable_ to say the best (or is outright deceptively messing with us, to say the worst)...: We could have an _actual_ timeline without many holes in it if just *Rex Lapis* or *Venti* decided to tell us the actual, entire truth! *Nahida* and *Neuvillette* are the only ones willing to tell us everything that they know... _but then_ their knowledge is severely limited to their circunstances! Even the *Knave* seems to be taking us for a spin of deception and half truths after seeming cooperative, so questioning the simple "facts" if Teyvat's "reality", like visions and humanity's existance sounds more than a-ok.

@AruHiseki

2 ай бұрын

This video hurt my head more than the last one lol I missed quite a lot of parts too. but I didnt want to go past 20 mins, which I did

and then there's Yae Miko of whom we don't even know if her Vision is *real* or not, considering she's a Youkai that's a familiar to the Electro Archon, and her Vision Story leaves it VERY vague in typical Yae-fashion if it's real or not...

As we know that The Abyss Order is composed of Humans from Khaenrhi’ah and that all of them have Elemental Powers it certainly does call into question the Need for Visions.

I’m not sure if you’ve briefly mentioned it but have you given a theory on why geo visions are the only square shaped visions?

Visions are def a curious topic

Humans can manipulate element. But celestia put a "rule" that vision can be granted if you have strong will. So if human somehow rebel against them, they can simply take back the vision, leaving humans become lost like we saw in inazuma quest

How about yokai like yae miko and yakshas like Xiao and melusines like sigewinne

About "Fragments driven to devour each other", this seems to be about the gods, and how Archon War started. Note that while some gods act somewhat reasonably, others were driven to extremes. Andrius attempted to freeze the whole of Mondstadt. Unnamed god of Chenyu Vale tried to drown both its people and the Millelith. Gods also seem to operate on this weird morality that was depicted in "The Boar Princess". For example, Zhongli would feed the remains of Goddess of Salt's power to Osiai. Perhaps they need to reach a certain level of power to be safe from Abyssal corruption they were infected with. About the role of humanity and Vision-holders, I think it might be a replacement for the old covenant that Primordial One had with humans. Or perhaps an update of it. "So long as humans were happy, it, too, rejoiced". What sort of covenant is that? Well, it makes sense, if you think of Abyssal corruption as being made of negative emotions. Humanity's positive emotions are the goal. The power that keeps Abyss at bay. Well, the post-apocalyptic gods no longer had Primordial One's absolute authority to eliminate poverty and melancholy. And perhaps they have seen the limits of that approach too. So instead, they delegated the responsibility to humans. Strong desires and wishes, also mean great unhappiness when they go unfulfilled. And so, humans are given power to fix things on their own. It provides not just happiness from having their wishes fulfilled, but also satisfaction from solving problems with their own hands. And with each Vision-holder fulfilling their purpose, Abyss recedes, providing gods with abundant gift - more of Teyvat to rule over, more time safe from the threat of the Abyss. Perhaps even purifying them from Abyssal corruption a little, allowing them to breath more freely.

:| non humans don't get vision. ❌ Whoever has will to get vision.

@kotarouinugami1745

2 ай бұрын

So far, we have seen Youkai, Fonteinians and Melusines having Visions. And whatever Klee is too. Visions clearly aren't restricted by race. Adepti have a strange relationship with Visions - apparently, they can manifest them at will. So they wear Visions in human form, and don't wear them in animal form. Perhaps that comes from a better understanding of the nature of the Visions than what we theory-crafters have. Perhaps it is just a feature of being able to transform - they can transform their internal magic-using organ into an external organ that is a Vision.

Actually, the way thaumaturgers from Liyue describe Visions and Constelations makes them similar to Stigmata from HI3.

You lost me when you said only humans get visions, except that's not true in *any* region thus far. Diona, Ganyu, Yanfei, Xianyun, Yae Miko, Gorou, Itto, Kirara, Wanderer, Tighnari, Lynette, just to name a few.

@AruHiseki

2 ай бұрын

yeap mythical beings. I wanted to still put them in the human category in this video. unless they count as non-humans with elemental ability. which only manifest their internal third eye as external visions 💀

Personaly i think Vision only exites because so People won"t start Using Honkai energy but to use Emotions and Ambitions as a Source of Power

Personally, I don’t think adeptal arts = elemental control. Just magic (as we know it exists in Genshin aside from elemental abilities, as even Raiden believes humans using elemental energy naturally shouldn’t be possible)

Do you think the archons giving shards of their power is causing their erosion?

@kotarouinugami1745

2 ай бұрын

This doesn't explain why everybody else is suffering from erosion even more. Like Azdaha. And Qiqi seems to be suffering from erosion too. And I don't think Neuvillette would be participating if it was a meaningful health concern.

@Catdogomeow

2 ай бұрын

I think Erosion is just a plot device to force the idea of mortality into an immortal being .

@IN-tm8mw

2 ай бұрын

I think "Erosion" is the Genshin Impact's Heavenly Principle version of "Entropy" of the universe. The connections in concepts are so close. The Second Law of Thermodynamics says that entropy in the universe must always increase. It's an immutable law of physics, and it's the reason you can't get free energy or perpetual motion machines. Immortal Being may only "seem" immortal compared to others but still lose energy over time by erosion.

@tamas9554

2 ай бұрын

@@IN-tm8mw It was actually explained in the game that "erosion" is a rule made directly by the Heavenly Principles. It was Morax himself who said this to us, every being will eventually turn into dust. Its just like Fortuna (fate), a similar rule which controls the destiny of every being coming from Teyvat. The Fatui for example have sworn to fight against these rules made by the Heavenly Principles, and us the Traveler are not affected by it (supposedly), because we aren't bound to Teyvat.

I think that they are sinister, tbh.

🤭 haha...duty 💩 ......😎👍✨ Love how is like and murder mystery novel, telling stories of visions.

The main reason Humans NEED visions, is time. Unlike other races that live longer and have the time to study how to control elements or become immortals, Humanity doesn't have that time. Visions are tools Humanity uses to achieve goals and ambitions within their lifetime. Even if the traveler seems human enough, even they have been around longer than a normal human lifespan to develop the talent or the constitution.

No, visions are not required. Visions were gifts from the dragons, and now celestia.

esotericaly the world is trashed becuase peaople are following the wrong vision, a delusion, very few if infact none have the true vision. theres information on it in the chrion last videos, it will make lots things understandable in the game, why accherchino has two X X eyes, how the hearth connects to home and earth and so meany other things that are inside and outside the game, the entire symbolism of time in both starrail and genshin eta eta.

If it's the archon job to hand out visions, how are there any anemo visions around? Venti said he had been asleep for hundreds of years and only recently woke.

@kotarouinugami1745

2 ай бұрын

Perhaps he restocks Visions when he is awake? And there is a pile of unclaimed Visions waiting for a suitable master somewhere?

@Catdogomeow

2 ай бұрын

From what we get from Neuvillette information- They’re not self aware of it and is practically “stole it “ from them without their consent. - basically if the person in question has similar personality/believes or situations to the archon. They will get that vision. Or so it seems

gjgo

Imma be honest this video is wrong in basically every single one of its assertions

My problem with the "could humans control the elements" idea, is that we've never seen anyone directly doing the same by themselves. Its only implied, but there's no direct proof, its always more complex than just learning. All of the characters we know are capable of using powerful elemental magic, gained it from outer sources. That source can be an adepti's teachings, a vision, delusion, a spirit infused with their weapon, or other residue/influence coming from certain forces. This power is always comes at a price however, even if someone ascends to godhood, they can only do so after acquiring a Vision, both of which come from Celestia. What I would be more curious about, is what defines which element you get? There is no clear answer to that by the writers, which is weird. I'd understand if the character's elements were based on gameplay, but surely there is an in-universe explanation. We also know little about what each character is actually capable of with their own Visions.