3D Printing Design Tip To Avoid Supports - Sacrificial Layers and Bridges

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  • @MakersMuse
    @MakersMuse4 жыл бұрын

    Such a handy trick! Sacrificial bridges are like the secret sauce of designing for 3D Printing... once you know about them it really unlocks a tonne of design potential.

  • @3DMakerNoob

    @3DMakerNoob

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yep, I’ve been experimenting endlessly with them now haha

  • @santiagoblandon3022

    @santiagoblandon3022

    4 жыл бұрын

    Same as compliant holes! thank you! =D

  • @jameslaine2472

    @jameslaine2472

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for using Metric ;-) www.google.com/search?q=ton+vs+tonne

  • @kasonkyrie1914

    @kasonkyrie1914

    3 жыл бұрын

    I know I am quite off topic but does anybody know of a good place to stream new movies online?

  • @beaconofwierd1883
    @beaconofwierd18833 жыл бұрын

    This should really come as a feature in the slicer itself. Feels like a pretty simple thing to check for while slicing, it’s basically just extending straight lines or checking for where a plane intersects. If done in the slicer the thickness of the sacrificial layer could also be reduced by reducing the flow rate while it’s ”bridging”, making it easy to remove even if you print very thick layers.

  • @JMTosses
    @JMTosses4 жыл бұрын

    Could easily be implemented in a slicer. Yes, supports are evil. Cheers!

  • @LaggyKikee
    @LaggyKikee4 жыл бұрын

    I normally use 45 degree chamfers everywhere, but this is so much better. Thanks, will totally be using this technique.

  • @Temuba
    @Temuba4 жыл бұрын

    Excellent. I while back I did the same while printing parts for a Bontech extruder. Worked great as you stated. Thanks

  • @mushious
    @mushious4 жыл бұрын

    This channel is a goldmine. Thank you!

  • @IceCreams62
    @IceCreams624 жыл бұрын

    You can use also sacrificial thin cross walls to support bridging parts to improve the finish quality :-)

  • @KieranShort

    @KieranShort

    4 жыл бұрын

    ?? What are they?

  • @IceCreams62

    @IceCreams62

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@KieranShort thin vertical walls that support the sacrificial layer in more points

  • @nipunagunarathne4882

    @nipunagunarathne4882

    4 жыл бұрын

    ummm so basically regular supports?

  • @IceCreams62

    @IceCreams62

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@nipunagunarathne4882 no, more more less material is needed for the thin walls

  • @tysonl79

    @tysonl79

    4 жыл бұрын

    I do this in some of my prints. It helps when you have a part that you can't bridge normally. Think of the overhang part being the corner of a cube. Nowhere for the bridge to go. Uses way less filament than normal supports as well.

  • @proplinerfan
    @proplinerfan2 жыл бұрын

    I know, it's been a while since you published this. Just stumbled over it. It took me a while to fully understand the ingenuity of this. I tried it with a similar part I just designed in F360 and this not only saved filament but also time. And the results are great. Amazing!

  • @profounddevices
    @profounddevices4 жыл бұрын

    this is always helpful, and it keeps on being a good tip. i first watched tips about sacrificial layers for bridging from makers muse videos, it is so handy and it should have more people doing videos about it. it was great showing the perspective of making several parts. also bringing things up in the reference of making several parts, clean up and time becomes prohibitive. good video. thx!

  • @dunichtich100
    @dunichtich1004 жыл бұрын

    Nice video! I did this in my designs for years not only on horizontal layers, but also on vertical shells, works great as well 😉

  • @MaximilianonMars
    @MaximilianonMars4 жыл бұрын

    Gosh I learn something new with each of your videos! I had seen this technique from Angus but it didn't sink in how useful it was or easy to implement, yes will be trying it out next opportunity.

  • @DenisKozlov_Blindfold
    @DenisKozlov_Blindfold4 жыл бұрын

    You don't need CAD file for this if you use PrusaSlicer. It allows you to add primitives (cylinder, box ...). Make it 1 layer high and place it where the supporting bridge should be. Although I have to admit that doing this in CAD is much easier. But in vast majority of cases you just don't have access to the source file (yes, I'm looking at you, Thingiverse)

  • @TsarBeardless
    @TsarBeardless4 жыл бұрын

    Expected it to be a tip I already knew, got pleasantly surprised!

  • @wout_vanhims
    @wout_vanhims4 жыл бұрын

    This is indeed very smart and simple. Great tip!

  • @yahnnobber5096
    @yahnnobber50964 жыл бұрын

    Good info, since I was having this exact issue with some PETG that I like and didn't want to use supports for the design. Thanks for the great tip!

  • @spikekent
    @spikekent4 жыл бұрын

    Great tutorial Joe. I've been using sacrificial supports for some time with 100% success .... so far.

  • @ericzwirnmann8151
    @ericzwirnmann81514 жыл бұрын

    Great idea for harder materials such as TPE, PetG and Tglass as those materials are difficult to remove supports.

  • @hakont.4960
    @hakont.49604 жыл бұрын

    Cool little trick, I already know at least two projects I'm working on where I wish I knew about this before. Both parts require supports to print, but at the same time they're very difficult to print with supports, this will simplify things a lot.

  • @lordfly88
    @lordfly883 жыл бұрын

    Wow, how have I not thought of this before!? Thank you!

  • @desmo750f1
    @desmo750f14 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the tip. Tried it and it worked a treat for what I was doing.

  • @jimmyjohansson84
    @jimmyjohansson844 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video! I do use sacrifical layers but mostly for small screw holes, hadn't thought about using it for other things! Also, the mural looks so awesome!

  • @3DZeBlate
    @3DZeBlate4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this video. A very good solution to avoid plastic lost.

  • @cache4pat
    @cache4pat4 жыл бұрын

    Awesome Tip ..... thx. I have had a problem with a current knob design that this will help.

  • @KiR_3d
    @KiR_3d4 жыл бұрын

    Great trick! 1st I've seen this from Angus. But this explanation and the reminder are pretty good! Thanx.

  • @thomashogeterp1411
    @thomashogeterp14113 жыл бұрын

    i use this all the time. love it

  • @jamessturgeon7025
    @jamessturgeon70254 жыл бұрын

    Very helpful and useful tip for designs and printing. Thanks!

  • @shaunmorrissey7313
    @shaunmorrissey73134 жыл бұрын

    Very neat, I love learning new things.

  • @dinosoarskill17
    @dinosoarskill174 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the advice. The community is good!

  • @peregrinespurway
    @peregrinespurway3 жыл бұрын

    Excellent idea. Thanks for sharing

  • @Zahrok
    @Zahrok3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this trick. Is a must for less waste. Continue the good work.

  • @JT-ei7jf
    @JT-ei7jf4 жыл бұрын

    Great! Many thanks for the idea. I gonna try it with my next print

  • @brithawkes36
    @brithawkes364 жыл бұрын

    Great video very interesting. also great to see the mural up and running in a video 👍

  • @jasonking4899
    @jasonking48992 жыл бұрын

    so simple and yet brilliant . thanks .

  • @sailtogether3236
    @sailtogether32363 жыл бұрын

    Cool! Very interesting trick. Thank you!

  • @tonysfun
    @tonysfun4 жыл бұрын

    Very practical and easy idea! Thanks for sharing.

  • @johnvodopija1743
    @johnvodopija17432 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the great tip. I will definitely be trying this out. Cheers 👍😎🇦🇺

  • @PathosBedlam
    @PathosBedlam3 жыл бұрын

    Great Tip. Thanks Bud.

  • @leroycasterline1122
    @leroycasterline11223 жыл бұрын

    What a great idea! Thanks for sharing!

  • @unexpectedsounds2320
    @unexpectedsounds23203 жыл бұрын

    There is a easily missable standard Setting in prusaslicer that makes Supports EXTREMELY easy to remove. Just change the Z Distance from 0.1 to 0.2 in the Supports tab

  • @pappel84
    @pappel844 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing. This is great!

  • @cristiandarvich2713
    @cristiandarvich27133 жыл бұрын

    awesome!! i'll try it!

  • @jeffvader811
    @jeffvader8114 жыл бұрын

    This is a very neat trick, will definitely be doing this in future.

  • @real_armadillo
    @real_armadillo3 жыл бұрын

    Cool trick! I'll definitely try this out.

  • @ethansdad3d
    @ethansdad3d3 жыл бұрын

    Great tip. I often forget about this.

  • @opulius
    @opulius3 жыл бұрын

    thank you so much! so easy and so effective.

  • @woowooNeedsFaith
    @woowooNeedsFaith3 жыл бұрын

    This is genius. Thank you for sharing. I simply don't want to use supports so it limits/complicates my designs. With this trick I have more options. I have to try this at some point.

  • @WhamBamSystems
    @WhamBamSystems2 жыл бұрын

    Super trick and advice!

  • @MrTrollHunter
    @MrTrollHunter3 жыл бұрын

    neat trick, will be very helpfull for many prints

  • @r4dius
    @r4dius3 жыл бұрын

    Never thought about this ... thanks

  • @chrisnurse6430
    @chrisnurse64303 жыл бұрын

    Great tip thanks

  • @MrJoseJasso
    @MrJoseJasso4 жыл бұрын

    Great explanation!

  • @darren990
    @darren9904 жыл бұрын

    back on form joe ..fantastic video well be trying that

  • @versatile3d64
    @versatile3d644 жыл бұрын

    Excellent tip!!!

  • @ColinWatters
    @ColinWatters3 жыл бұрын

    Great tip. In the past I've resorted to splitting some items in two in CAD, printing, and glueing back together.

  • @CafeBikeGirl

    @CafeBikeGirl

    3 жыл бұрын

    I still like this option in a lot of cases since the glue has the potential to add some strength and for structural components it can be advantageous to print portions in different orientation to avoid bond strength issues.

  • @shenqiangshou
    @shenqiangshou4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah I think I first saw the idea from Angus (Makers Muse), but you make a good point about it is actually faster to use sacrificial layers, since you aren't doing additional perimeters.

  • @cho4d
    @cho4d3 жыл бұрын

    this is actually big brain stuff. very cool!!

  • @SergeDzus
    @SergeDzus3 жыл бұрын

    Хорошая идея! спасибо

  • @mechsparks
    @mechsparks4 жыл бұрын

    NIce video. It heled me lot and also reduce the amount of support needed in my current project.

  • @igorfedik5730
    @igorfedik57304 жыл бұрын

    Nice tip! Thanks!

  • @Sembazuru
    @Sembazuru4 жыл бұрын

    I picked this tip up from Angus (Maker's Muse), and often use this on parts that I downloaded. Usually I only have the STL and I'm not experienced in modifying meshes like this, so I add these 1-layer covers to the holes in PrusaSlicer. Doing it in the slicer (even for my own designs) also allows me to choose at the slicing stage what layer height I want to use and then add the hole covers at the correct thickness then. Especially useful now that I'm using adaptive layer heights, I can find out the right thickness after I've applied the adaptive layer height tool. For counter bored holes smaller than I can fit my deburring tool into (like for M2 hardware) an appropriately sized drill bit makes easy work of cleaning the finished holes. (For example, 2mm drill bit for for an M2 hole.)

  • @jimgreene3863
    @jimgreene38633 жыл бұрын

    Pretty great idea If you needed to do a large area you could still use a support wall also a minimum thickness at the mid point of the widest point of the sacrifice layer its faster and cheaper to do your way of this thank you now I have a new tool in my box

  • @is-ig4zh
    @is-ig4zh2 жыл бұрын

    Omg, dude! thank alot!

  • @blic-sx9ix
    @blic-sx9ix4 жыл бұрын

    Great tip!

  • @pelemariusv
    @pelemariusv4 жыл бұрын

    Smart... Thanks a lot!

  • @ResistCircuitResist
    @ResistCircuitResist3 жыл бұрын

    Had to look up what a borrowing tool was, thanks for the link.

  • @haenselundgretel654
    @haenselundgretel6543 жыл бұрын

    Damn! I thought I had seen everything. But this is great! Cheers, mate!

  • @chuysaucedo7119
    @chuysaucedo7119 Жыл бұрын

    Cool trick!

  • @TheBekker_
    @TheBekker_4 жыл бұрын

    Neat little trick!

  • @ayganotomasyon1109
    @ayganotomasyon1109Ай бұрын

    Will try

  • @dmawzx
    @dmawzx4 жыл бұрын

    Отлично! Спасибо!

  • @damny0utoobe
    @damny0utoobe2 жыл бұрын

    Such a neat trick to avoid support

  • @1Wolverine2
    @1Wolverine24 жыл бұрын

    Great tip.

  • @interestedinstuff1499
    @interestedinstuff14993 жыл бұрын

    Excellent. I didn't know that thin a layer would be enough support.

  • @JohnOCFII
    @JohnOCFII4 жыл бұрын

    Nice tip. Well explained. Thanks. Sometimes supports are, in fact evil, and other times they come off easily, and hardly leave a mark. It is hard to know what settings to tweak with supports to improve them. More testing needed, I guess! :)

  • @Ridingrules10000
    @Ridingrules100003 жыл бұрын

    This blows my mind.

  • @Sir-Hisham
    @Sir-Hisham Жыл бұрын

    smart .. thanks

  • @xlucioflavio
    @xlucioflavio Жыл бұрын

    Thank you, great idea

  • @3DMakerNoob

    @3DMakerNoob

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks :)

  • @partsdave8943
    @partsdave89434 жыл бұрын

    Good vid. Informative. Thanks for making it !!

  • @3DMakerNoob

    @3DMakerNoob

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching :)

  • @RoadRashSpirit
    @RoadRashSpirit3 жыл бұрын

    Amazing, with id known aboutthis before my last print. 18x 19mm bearing inserts to clean out......

  • @TheDronzDr
    @TheDronzDr4 жыл бұрын

    Great job

  • @marcosdiez7263
    @marcosdiez72634 жыл бұрын

    Nice tip. Notice that, in the first piece, since you're already adding a support part in the design (the sacrificial layer), you could also make an inner ring to sacrifice as well, whose outer wall would be exactly the diameter of the piece innermost ring or just barely shorter (enough to let the cutter blade slip in between later on and as tall as the sacrificial layer, so you'd be still bridging to make the "balcony" bottom layer, but the bridging distance would shorten so it'd be more firm, and you may even increase the piece size.

  • @limbsflailing4479
    @limbsflailing44794 жыл бұрын

    Freaking brilliant

  • @Koomoa
    @Koomoa4 жыл бұрын

    Cool tip

  • @me3dnone107
    @me3dnone1074 жыл бұрын

    I occasionally modeled supports in my designs, but I never had the Idea to make use of bridging. Thx!

  • @alangregg7171

    @alangregg7171

    4 жыл бұрын

    same here, great idea!!

  • @Mad_Monkey
    @Mad_Monkey4 жыл бұрын

    Amazing information Joe!

  • @3DMakerNoob

    @3DMakerNoob

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks buddy

  • @alessandrodei9268
    @alessandrodei92684 жыл бұрын

    OMG Thank You

  • @cordovastyle3
    @cordovastyle34 жыл бұрын

    pretty sick!

  • @3DPSpro
    @3DPSpro3 жыл бұрын

    Sweet trick, dude! I was thinking also that you could have discs and squares on the ready to bring into your slicer to throw in such places as they present themselves with models you didn't design for a quick solution. Cheers!

  • @B3D
    @B3D3 жыл бұрын

    good tips

  • @Gr8Success
    @Gr8Success4 жыл бұрын

    good tip

  • @rickdrop5971
    @rickdrop59714 жыл бұрын

    Your earned the trifecta... sub, alert, comment...... You are a print ninja.... keep them coming

  • @3DMakerNoob

    @3DMakerNoob

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you :)

  • @pavlentos
    @pavlentos8 ай бұрын

    Thx

  • @pepperlx9277
    @pepperlx92773 жыл бұрын

    This video should rename to "How to be a good design engineer and how to love maintenance folks". Joke aside, learnt something new today and definitely will try this out in my design!

  • @badabimbadabum4010
    @badabimbadabum40103 жыл бұрын

    ty

  • @ozcanison
    @ozcanison4 жыл бұрын

    Not sure if it was your accent or not, but it sounded like you called that tool a "burrowing tool". Its actually a de-burring tool, for removing burs. But works a treat on 3d printed parts, also good for trimming any elephants foot effect on bases of parts.

  • @stephentrenta3514

    @stephentrenta3514

    4 жыл бұрын

    ozcanison LOL I literally just came to the comments to say the same thing. Glad I wasn’t the only one

  • @ozcanison

    @ozcanison

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@stephentrenta3514 yeah it could just be his accent saying a long rrrr sound, but not sure.

  • @TheDementation
    @TheDementation4 жыл бұрын

    Great video as usual.

  • @3DMakerNoob

    @3DMakerNoob

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you :)

  • @OldCurmudgeon3DP
    @OldCurmudgeon3DP4 жыл бұрын

    I've seen clips on Facebook of near bed-width bridging on the Ender 3.

  • @Sven_Hein
    @Sven_Hein4 жыл бұрын

    I always try to model in support on the model like Angus from Maker's Muse.

  • @ruudb72
    @ruudb724 жыл бұрын

    Nice tip! :-)

  • @JAYTEEAU
    @JAYTEEAU4 жыл бұрын

    Great stuff Joe, mentally stored for later use. Cheers, JAYTEE

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