I switched to the 380 Punch after seeing other test results like this. I haven't seen penetration this deep in any 380 that expanded.

@elblancobasura

Жыл бұрын

Me either.

@franticzenster8140

9 ай бұрын

Checkout Defiant Ammo's .380 ACP

@JorgeBtz

7 ай бұрын

check out the Speer gold dot 90g on Pig Head test

Wow. Very eye opening. I’ve been carrying HSTs in my Springfield Armory 911 for years, but maybe now it’s time to switch. Not often that a less expensive option from the same manufacturer is a better performer. I would add, however, that the HST did quite well on Paul Harrell’s “meat target” test out of a subcompact .380 (I think it was a Bodyguard). He considered it a perfectly viable .380 ACP defensive load for concealed carry.

@SomebodysNephew

8 ай бұрын

You would enjoy checking out some Underwood or Leehigh defense +P external hollowpoints for the 380 I think. They have over 100 foot lbs extra muzzle energy from these options. Solid performers.

Well, it's good that the Punch did better than most of the .380 ACP JHP tests that we see. Thanks.

My backup gun is a S&W bodyguard 380. I’m carrying underwood extreme defender +p. I also have some precision one XTPs. Those are both good rounds.

@cos69mo

Жыл бұрын

YES!! P-ONE 90g HP/XTP highly rated vs HST for LCP, LCP Custom and LCP2. Carry round for my LCPMax now

@NickXT775

2 ай бұрын

Your bodyguard runs the +P's fine? I was wondering and haven't seen a lot of info on it

@allenbolen9705

2 ай бұрын

@@NickXT775 Yes it’s ate everything I’ve fed it! I hate the trigger though. I’m hoping to get a short stroke trigger soon.

@NickXT775

2 ай бұрын

@@allenbolen9705 Nice, thank you for the reply! Gonna make an underwood order soon and add some +P's

@allenbolen9705

2 ай бұрын

@@NickXT775They have some awesome 9 mm 115 gr +p+ item 112 make sure of the item number! Nosler bullets. They have some loaded with berry bullets.They don’t expand. 501 ft/lbs of energy on those noslers🥴

Nice informative video . A lot of time and money is required to make them. This is why bullet placement is so important. Two shots to the chest will drop most people whether the bullets expand or not.

Northwoods, thank you for testing the .380. I test but do not have cameras or editing experience so publishing videos isn't an option for me. I usually use clear ballistics gel and in testing the .380 HST I have had mixed results. More failures to expand than expansion. On the other hand, the Punch load has almost always expanded and typically penetrates to 10.5" in bare gel and 14" in gel covered with 4 layers of denim. It is good enough that i carry it in my LCP Max. It rivals the XTP in reliability in standard pressure loads. (XTP needs 950 fps+ to get good expansion through denim). I'm grateful someone else has tested it with good results besides me. The HST CAN be made to expand reliably by tweaking the hollow point using small wire cutters. I cannot recommend doing it because it can deform the bullet and mess with reliable cycling. The ARX is interesting, as is the XD 68 gr underwood load. Another I've found to be a reliable expander in the G42 or other +p rated pistols is the Underwood 90 gr jhp +p (this is different from the XTP bullet ). It goes 14" to 16" and expands well through denim. The standard pressure underwood load of the same bullet is disappointing. No expansion and plenty of overpenetration. Again, thank you for testing the .380 and I look forward to seeing more.

@NorthwoodsTesting

Жыл бұрын

I'm not understanding Federal lately. HST is usually a really great round, but why did they make it so heavy in .380? ( I'd bet you if they made it 89 grains instead of 99 you'd see more reliability across the board). I've been looking at ordering Underwood and Double tap rounds to possibly test and still have 2 vids from my most recent range trip to finish/post that (I think) will be worth the watch. Thank you though for taking the time to watch and comment!

Just picked up a few boxes of the punch, thank you for your testing

I just ordered one of the little S&W Bodyguard 2.0 and found this video researching ammo for it. I do not really have a need for 380, I just like the little gun.🤷‍♂ Good testing👍, I took a minute and poked around you channel. My kind of content, but you seem a little inactive lately. I did subscribe in hopes that you will be back.👍

Agree, all.380 JHP are "hit or miss" through fabric. I luv Federal HST in my 9mm but for my 380 it's Underwood's Xtreme Defender (summer) or Xtreme Penetrator (winter). I'd use flat-nose FMJs in my 380 before relying on a JHP.

@user-ge5jd8nj7w

Жыл бұрын

Can you answer in more detail?

@MeMadeIt

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ge5jd8nj7w 380 velocities are marginal for reliable expansion with adequate penetration. Usually you get one or the other but not both.

@Hornet135

Жыл бұрын

@@MeMadeIt Similar to the problems .45 acp has with standard pressure 200-230gr loads.

@MeMadeIt

Жыл бұрын

@Hornet135 Standard pressure Federal HST 230gr is a great defensive round. About the best there is for 45ACP.

@Hornet135

Жыл бұрын

@@MeMadeIt Right, HST is generally one of the best in everything but .380. Some of the modern JHPs expand predictably and well in 230gr.

I have a LCP Max I carry from time to time when I need the deep concealment. Loaded up with the Federal "Hydrashok DEEP.", used to keep the Hornady XTP loads in it.

@NorthwoodsTesting

Жыл бұрын

Having a heck of a time finding the Hydra Shok Deeps.... Eventually I will get some to try.

Federal has done a great job with the Punch!

My employer mandates we carry the 99gr HST for our optional .380’s. It really is a disappointment that Federal can’t design it to expand when passing through heavy clothing. As stated in the video, it basically becomes a FMJ. But looking at the positive side, that may not be all that bad. It’s better to have enough penetration than too much expansion with poor penetration. LAPD hates ALL .380 hollow points, so they mandate Speer Lawman FMJ’s for optional .380 back up guns. Again, they’d rather settle for deep penetration with every shot, than piss poor penetration and virtually no expansion. But I’m liking what I see in this video with those Punch bullets! I’m retiring within weeks and can carry what I want then. I think I’ll carry those punch rounds.

@NorthwoodsTesting

Жыл бұрын

No matter what you carry, accuracy will likely be the most important factor. Also, the marketplace is showing manufacturers that .380 seems to be growing in popularity (as opposed to .40 which has fallen out of favor) and they are beginning to engineer better options.

@colt10mmsecurity68

Жыл бұрын

@@NorthwoodsTesting Very true. Funny you mention the .40. I’ve always liked the .40. I love it’s harder felt recoil, but I’ve always managed to maintain tight groups with double taps at the range. My employer only allows 9mm and 45. Out of a few weeks shy of my 34 year LE career, I carried a 9mm for about 28 years and a .45acp for about 6 years total, off and on. I really prefer the 9mm better because I could carry more rounds. But when retirement gets here shortly, I can carry whatever I want and it’s going to be in my rotation some new Glock Gen 5’s (22 and 23). Also a Glock 32 (.357 Sig) will also be in my edc rotation. I just like a bigger (((BOOM))).

@NorthwoodsTesting

Жыл бұрын

@@colt10mmsecurity68 agree about the .40. I was disappointed when Glock released the Glock 48 in 9mm and then no comparable .40 offering. The Glock 48 is single stack, so thinner than the Glock 19/23 and has a slightly longer barrel. Just not a lot of options for a single stack 40 with a 4" barrel out there.

@colt10mmsecurity68

Жыл бұрын

@@NorthwoodsTesting YESSSSSSS!!!!!! I have been saying the same thing for the past two years now! I also thought how could Glock really increase sales of a new product? My idea was to create a G48 sized single stack gun chambered in .40 and…. INCLUDE a .357Sig OEM conversion barrel with the gun! But did you notice Glock’s Gen 5 .40s&w’s are all designed now with thicker slides? Glock would really have to come up with something new in metallurgy for a single stack .40 if they want to keep the gun nice and slim. The thinner steel slides in Gen 4’s and earlier .40’s tend to crack at about the 30,000-35,000 round-count mark.

@NorthwoodsTesting

Жыл бұрын

@@colt10mmsecurity68 I believe the 2 'newest' Glocks introduced to the US market are larger sized 380's used overseas basically. If anything, companies are trying to do away with all felt recoil. Less material = cheaper to make = more profit?

I carry a LCP 10th anniversary edition 380 and thanks for the comparison

Your results are very similar to other credible reviewers out there. Like one other commenter here I’ve switched to Underwood Extreme Defenders whenever I carry my LCP Max 380. I think the 380 ACP is a capable cartridge but for the most part I’ve stopped carrying it in favor of my 9mm collection.

What's crazy is there's another Gentleman on KZread that did the same test and every one of his expanded beautifully

thanks for the 380acp test ...

In 9mm, the punch round uses less antimony in the lead, which means the lead Is softer, I use the 9mm HSTs quite a bit, to be more precise, the 124gr+P and they always do well, the 380-ACP Atomic rounds are be best I've seen in 380. THX 🇺🇸

I use Federal Punch in 22 and 380 . 9 mm is next

Apparently, the lead in the punch ammo is of a softer compound, so it opens easier. Personally, I’m switching to the underwood xtreme defender 68 gr. +P In 380 and in my 9mm firearms

.380 ball or flat nose and hit your target where it counts

@elblancobasura

Жыл бұрын

Mostly this.

What's with the layers of denum and clothing. Most people don't wear 4 layers of denum unless your Jay Leno like I've seen tested on other channels? I have 6 places to buy ammo around here so I get what I can get. I bought some online and will see if it showes up.

Looks like 14 grain lighter bullet was loaded increasing the velocity and called it Punch. Expansion is directly related to velocity.

the punch, or hydrashok is a better bullet in 380 form federal than the hst. very clear the hst is using too high of an antimony lead.

Hello Northwoods Testing, thank you for your well produced and informative video! The HST's work great in 9mm and larger calibers, so I was definitely disappointed in the less than stellar performance of the HST's in 380. I'm thinking Underwood X-treme Defender and Extreme Penetrator, and PrecisionOne XTP, Hornady Critical Defense, and Defiant Munitions might be our choices in 380 ACP defense ammo...At least for now.

@NorthwoodsTesting

Жыл бұрын

I will have a couple more videos coming from this week's testing that may be interesting. I'm also thinking my next test will include the Inceptor Arx (similar to the extreme defenders).

Curious; why do you put in backstops, and elevate the gel so that it extremely unlikely to hit the backstops? I don't get that at all.

@NorthwoodsTesting

11 ай бұрын

Mostly using 380 lately = pass through with those hollow-points is virtually non-existent. Also I'm tall which tends to angle shots down through the block which does catch most anything that gets through. Lastly, I do rearrange things if I am anticipating pass-throughs.

Can you do a similar test with berrys bullets for the .380?

@NorthwoodsTesting

Жыл бұрын

I don't reload and not aware of a manufacturer loading berry's. I checked their website and they offer a 100 grain hybrid HP 380 round but even they claim only 8-9" penetration with it. If the goal is 12"+ with some expansion, it just doesn't add up. I checked ammoseek and couldn't find any options to test. If I find some, be happy to try them.

Very useful! Thanks! I just learned about G9 Defense ammo, and I would love to see your test of the heavier .380 solid copper hydrostatic wounding bullet---it is better than the Extreme Defender from Underwood. There are many tests of the 9mm that show a superb result that validates the high price, but I have not found any .380 tests..........................elsullo

@NorthwoodsTesting

Жыл бұрын

Haven't seen those yet, but I'll watch out for a box next time I do some shopping.

If my aggressor is 6foot 5inches with arms as big around as I am give me the HSTs

9mm over .380 is generally a massively bigger performance increase than from going from 9mm to .40 or .45 (next to no increase, 11% at max basically). But even .380 is pretty good with critical defense, xtreme defender +p .380, sig v crown, and sometimes american gunner xtp seems decent but I prefer the former 3

Should have choreographed the rounds. I would not write off the HST . Most testers are missing some salient points in ammo stopping power. It is not all about expansion . It is also about shocking power and tissue damage. A heavier slug that partially peels back turns the round into a shredder as it hits tissue especially blood vessels and nerves, as well as other internal organs. The heavier weight also translates to more foot pounds of energy being dumped into the target. It is not all about ballistic gel and water bottles.

@NorthwoodsTesting

Жыл бұрын

All things being equal, I'd prefer a round that does what the manufacturer says it does and does that consistently. 380 is tough to do that with it being such a weak cartridge.

@PatriotPaulUSA

Жыл бұрын

Very True, More grains is more ft lbs energy, (at a given FPS). Chronographs will show the actual speed your getting of all your brands , Even if its off 5% or something they ALL will be off 5%. Also Federal Makes 3 Different 99gr, 380 HST Part numbers with 3 different FPS ! Its almost impossible to keep up with ! - Federal Premium, 380, 99 grain Personal defense HST @ 935FPS is #P380HST1S. Then the Federal Premium, 380, 99 gr, Hydra- Shok "Deep" @975FPS, is #P380HSD1. Then there is the Federal Premium "Tactical 380 Deep," HST, 99grain @1035 FPS, #P380HST1. "Tactical" are 50 pc boxes. (All the others are 20pc boxes) Then there is the 85 and 90 gr 380 HST/Hydra-Shok part numbers. Its ridiculous. " Tactical" is hard to access on their site but here it is with specs.- www.outdoorlimited.com/federal-hst/federal-380-auto-hst-tactical-p380hst1-99-gr-jhp-50-rounds/

Good test 380 will put somebody down fast

@NorthwoodsTesting

Жыл бұрын

The Punch did better than I expected for sure

@JMane3000

Жыл бұрын

@@NorthwoodsTesting Personlly I typically use fmj when I'm carrying my 380

Algorithm

Dude, I think it's time for new gel blocks. We can't see the results.

@NorthwoodsTesting

Жыл бұрын

They have long since been replaced

Why even carry a 380 when a 9 is superior? Can get a 9 in same size as a 380 and weight. Makes no sense

@10oner

5 ай бұрын

380 guns are smaller lighter and have less recoil. Its not even close

@hopebrowning6300

5 ай бұрын

Many carry 9mm with ball / fmj ammo.same as 3.80/ bullet size , both likely to go right thru the target .mabe a little more shock etc from the increase of speed from the nine but be basically the same thing .lots of women like .380 where less recoil and some guys that can't handle recoil or folks that s got older and can't handle it.I never got on the nine train still use.40 .Many test show and prove 40&45 way better if the recoil don't bother you.if it does one has no choices but to shoot what you can shoot the best and be comfortable and hit with .

@jamesmcclure9293

22 күн бұрын

@@10oner Not in a lot of cases. I love my Glock 42 but it has it's draw backs.

BARREL IS TOO SHORT NEED 3.6 TO 4.0 INCH BARREL TO VERIFY FPS.....6 INCH DEEP WILL VIOLATE THE AVERAGE PERSON'S HEART...

There is 3 different 380 ACP, 99 grain rounds listed on Federal Premiums site. Also a 380, 90 grain, "Low Recoil" HST and the 380, 85 gr "Punch" So 5 Different 380 Federal Premium/Federal part numbers! There IS FPS differences in them as well! Federal, Do we really need 3 different, 380, 99 gr HST's? Here are the part numbers for 380 "Federal Premium" and just "Federal" 380 ammo: Federal Premium, 380, 99 grain Personal defense HST @ 935FPS is #P380HST1S. Then the Federal Premium, 380, 99 gr, Hydra- Shok "Deep" @975FPS, is #P380HSD1. Then there is the "Tactical 380 Deep" 99grain @1035 FPS, #P380HST1. "Tactical" are 50 pc boxes. (All the others are 20pc boxes) Finally there is the 90 and 85 grain. The Federal Premium 380, 90 grain. Hydra Shok "Low Recoil" @1000 FPS, is #PD380HS1 H. Then there is 380 "Punch" 85 gr "Federal" (not Premium) @1000 FPS, #PD380P1 Here is the "Tactical" Federal Premium 380 specs and part number- www.outdoorlimited.com/federal-hst/federal-380-auto-hst-tactical-p380hst1-99-gr-jhp-50-rounds/