Well I wouldn’t call Angelica a scumbag. She loved Alexander. But gave away everything for her sister. Also Eliza knew about the letters and it was fine, the letters weren’t sexual between Alex and Angelica.

@Hagridslefttoee

3 жыл бұрын

Angelica was already married, and she didn’t ‘Let Eliza Have Him’ - their letters were infact flirty but Angelica didn’t give Alex up.

@diamond4k

3 жыл бұрын

That Ain’t It Mate if she didn’t marry him than she pretty much gave him up.

@Hagridslefttoee

3 жыл бұрын

Diamond HD that makes no sense as Angelica didn’t even introduce Alex to Eliza nor did she even meet Alex till pretty much after Hamilton and Eliza got married. So, Angelica never gave Alex up - she didn’t even attend their wedding.

@mikaelaisraelsson119

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hagridslefttoee This is fictionalized though, they're talking about Angelica the character, not the real person, so the actual events don't really matter...

@diamond4k

3 жыл бұрын

That Ain’t It Mate I’m talking about musical Hamilton, you are right about what happened irl because Angelica did not introduce them. But in the musical Angelica did introduce them after Eliza said that she liked him. We were talking about different things, just a misunderstanding.

How could anyone actually LISTEN to this and call Angelica a scumbag

@theshadowfax239

3 жыл бұрын

Because these two are dimwits. Endearing, but total dimwits.

@Meimoons

3 жыл бұрын

I would say that the animatics they previously watched, did not do the musical justice. Particularly when focusing on Angelica and Alexander’s relationship. Now this may be a unpopular opinion but some of the cutesy animatics did not do a good job showing the likeness of the actual musical. Because the animatics were showing an inaccurate representation of the musical, it’s easy to understand how Jane and JV get the wrong impresssion based on the animatics showing Angelica and Alexander’s relationship.

@velky_reeds

3 жыл бұрын

@@theshadowfax239 He was talking about how Angelica was a scumbag because of having a romantic activity with Alexander, not in this song.

@mostannoyingscaramain

3 жыл бұрын

@@velky_reeds She didn't though.

@Annebmissreal

3 жыл бұрын

Because she was literally writing countless letters to her sisters husband and basically looked at it as though she “gave” Alexander to Eliza!

Angelica being the most selfless one and gets called a scumbag 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

@lifewithlaysia.

3 жыл бұрын

I didn’t like her I really thought she should of told Eliza how she felt if my sister was keeping this from me I would literally fight her and keep her outta my life

@PP-rg9wb

3 жыл бұрын

@@lifewithlaysia. so your sister falls in love with a man you love a represses it so you could be happy and you would fight her for it?

@lifewithlaysia.

3 жыл бұрын

@@PP-rg9wb yes ma’am😂.. why wouldn’t she tell Me this as soon as possible don’t wait to it’s to late .. like we could of talked it out now since uu wanna lie what else have u lied to me bout yea ass whoopin

@PP-rg9wb

3 жыл бұрын

@@lifewithlaysia. understandable actually, thanks

@lifewithlaysia.

3 жыл бұрын

@@PP-rg9wb yea that’s just my pov

Angelica never acted upon her feelings for Hamilton and the letters they sent to each other weren't romantic not sexual,so I don't see why she has to be called a scumbag...

@ComandoPadentro

3 жыл бұрын

I think, I THINK... they are talking about the character, not the real person... don´t you think?

@XxStrugglerxX

3 жыл бұрын

@@ComandoPadentro But the character didn't act upon her feelings either...

@ComandoPadentro

3 жыл бұрын

@@XxStrugglerxX yes, but she flirted with him and "tried to take a bite of him" the letters were romantic? Well, that's not great either.

@miovvv

3 жыл бұрын

@@ComandoPadentro i don't think they were romantic, just a bit flirty. eliza knew about the letters tho and was fine with it. that's how it was irl anyway

@XxStrugglerxX

3 жыл бұрын

@@ComandoPadentro the "tried to get a bite of him" was before Eliza and Ham got married in the musical and for all we know he could have been referring to when they danced together in the Winter's Ball.

the song is more about that she is pushing away any feelings for alexander and standing by her sister over him because in the end she lives her sister

Y'all really need to get the idea that Angelica and Alexander were after each other out of your heads. They were very compatible, and maybe a little flirty, but they both loved and adored Eliza and they were great friends with each other.

@velky_reeds

3 жыл бұрын

If you listen to "First Burn", Eliza said "I see how you look at my sister. Don't ever think I'm naive...". So from this, we can assume that Eliza wasn't fond of the activities going on behind her with Alex and Angelica, regardless of the fact that she loves her sister.

@beyondviolet

3 жыл бұрын

​@@velky_reeds First of all, Alexander being flirty with other women was _not_ Angelica's fault. Second of all, First Burn is a beta version of the actual Burn, and therefore it is not canon, so you quoting it is pointless. Third of all, there were never any "activities" going on between the two other than the occasional letter writing, which Eliza was completely aware of. So stop trying to make up ridiculous reasons to dislike her. Angelica Schuyler was a great person. She disregarded her own feelings immediately and allowed Eliza to pursue Alexander simply because she wanted her to be happy, she fully supported Eliza when Alexander cheated despite her connection to him, and she helped Eliza "tell his story" after Hamilton died. She was _always_ there for Eliza.

@mostannoyingscaramain

3 жыл бұрын

@@velky_reeds I feel like that was more of a fault on Alexander's side because since Angelica was flirty by nature Eliza never really saw anything wrong there, and even though Angelica did have romantic feelings for Alexander she never would've acted on them, she loves her sister too much.

You guys should go ahead and react to first burn animatic cause it really hits you hard really so give it a listen

@sayuriLB

3 жыл бұрын

I think they already did

Historically, Angelica was already married, Happily married infact and didn’t introduce even Alex to Eliza. She didn’t even attend Eliza’s wedding, but when they did meet, they often sent letters to one another and most of them were really flirty. But I don’t believe they had actual feelings for each other. *Anyways! I love your channel and I love your reactions. Can’t wait for more!*

@fleur_and_flower

3 жыл бұрын

They were definitely flirty, but Angelica loved her husband, John, and had two kids already by the time Alexander and Eliza married. I believe historians said that there were a bunch of letters between Angelica and Alexander because she shared the same level of intellect as him and interest in politics.

@Hagridslefttoee

3 жыл бұрын

krystinfinity yeah I read that as well. I’m pretty sure they were just two halves of the same mind. I know Angelica loved her husband and didn’t attend Eliza’s wedding, a few articles I’ve read have implied that Alex and Angelica did often flirt with one another - but it was almost like banter and at the end of the day, they loved their spouses.

@tylerbranson2099

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hagridslefttoee Alex had a thing for flirting in letters, though considering the rumors circling that there might be something behind that flirting in the only other instance I can currently remember, his letters to John Laurens, perhaps he had a particular way of showing affection, since he was definitely close to both Laurens and Angelica even without including romantic feelings.

@theoddtrashcan7104

3 жыл бұрын

@@tylerbranson2099 Jesus Christ I forgot about *those* letters

i hope you guys read these comments and actually realize that anjelica is one of the best characters in the play. she had to struggle more than any of them. she felt her sister’s pain and her own. one of the most selfless characters but gets called a scumbag🤦🏾‍♀️

@theoddtrashcan7104

3 жыл бұрын

Only in the play though in real life she had a husband and had no interest and either way everyone on this musical had some scumbag trait

@sydney5991

2 жыл бұрын

@THE ODD TRASH CAN ik I’m a bit late on this but pls tell me how hurc or Washington or Peggy had any scumbag traits

@iikoifishii7893

2 жыл бұрын

@@theoddtrashcan7104 Literally you had to get married to men back then or you couldn’t survive love-

The difference beteeen Angelica and Alexander is like the sun and moon. Angelica had feelings for Alexander, BUT her love for Eliza was far stronger. She married someone she could never truly love (in the musical at least), and not once did she ever write a love letter to Alexander. She kept things no more than flirty between them. She always affirms too him, that Eliza would come first. Always. She loves her sister's more than anything. And when Alexander cheats, Angelica is both furious and hurt. Alexander however, he cheated on Eliza with Maria Reynolds, he knew what he was doing. He needed a break and he refused to take one. It was his own fault. He was the one who wrote love letters to Angelica (My dearest, Angelica for example. A whole new meaning). He then publicised the affair BEFORE telling his wife (again, in the musical), and he didn't understand the big deal, because he saw it as saving his career and not his marriage. He needed a wake up call. And that's exactly what Angelica provided in Congratulations. Alexander didn't understand or realise just how truly amazing Eliza was, until it was too late.

@theoddtrashcan7104

3 жыл бұрын

You haven’t ever seen Alexander’s letters before have you? the love letters to Angelica were not love letters they were just Hamilton letters dude can’t write someone a letter without making an entire fanfic I want to point out that I’m not defending him but the dude hadn’t slept in a while and he would’ve lost his job

Wow... This is the first-time I've seen someone react to the song/animatic and call Angelica a scumbag... If anything, the character Angelica, was more admirable ( idk about irl Angelica, but I'm sure she's great too, especially since she was already called for by the time Alexander & Eliza met & got marriedn) than anything... She didn't act on her feelings, and she definitely loved her sister than anything... That's definitely a weird way to view it... There was a reason this song was cut out... But Renée _killed_ it... I'm at least glad it was shared. 💙

Are you kidding me?! She's not a scumbag. All she ever did was have feelings for Alexander and occasionally be a little flirty. News flash you can't control the way you feel but you can control the way you act which is exactly what Angelica does in this musical. I mean come on guys...You act as if her and Alexander had an affair. Did you even listen to the song...🤦‍♀️

@lifewithlaysia.

3 жыл бұрын

Controlling how you act ... you don’t flirt with your sister husband my sisters could never ii wish they would they probably would end up dead and i’m being serious

@velky_reeds

3 жыл бұрын

Eliza said in "First Burn" with the lyrics: "I see how you look at my sister, Don't ever think I'm naive...". So from this, we can assume that Eliza was bothered and wasn't fond of Alexander and Angelica's activities. Angelica maybe selfless, but allowing consent for Alex to write her letters romantically (Yes, the letters are indeed romantic) is still messed up.

@trangvophuong6919

3 жыл бұрын

@@velky_reeds This is copied from someone else but as another person said, "First Burn" is a beta version of "Burn" and therefore shouldn't be counted as canon in the musical. So you can't really quote something from that.

Angelica actually blamed herself. Yes, she gave up her happiness for Eliza, but it was because she had given up her happiness that Eliza was now as hurt as she is. She blames herself for that, for indirectly hurting her sister so badly.

I think I read this interview in an article a while back when Hamilton was getting famous that Lin said in a way Hamilton’s love of his life was Eliza, but Angelica was in a way his soulmate, because they were both so similar and also were true intellectuals. I’d also have to argue that John Laurent’s was in the same position as Angelica where Hamilton had a great deep love and respect for him. Angelica and Hams letters were never in no way sexual or wrong they mostly discussed politics but Lin said that their letters portray the chemistry they had for each other based on how passionate they were when it came to politics. As for Hams and Johns letters, I don’t want to say they were sexual but many people believed they were questionable. Although many historians have gotten rid of most of their letters or have tampered with them over the years, the ones that do remain do show their love for each other as great friends but also elude to something more than that. Eliza had Hams heart and Angelica had his soul, and John had his mind 🤷‍♀️ but that’s just my opinion.

I know y'all didn't call Angelica Schuyler-Church a scumbag :)))

I mean I get where your coming from with the Angelica thing but what else was she supposed to do? She can’t control her feelings for Alexander and she never acted on them. She explained in satisfied why she couldn’t be with him both for social reasons and to spare Eliza from the heartbreak that Angelica herself had to feel by letting Alexander go. She sacrificed her own happiness for Eliza’s and watching Alexander burn that marriage to the ground would make all that sacrifice worthless. It was about her sacrificing everything for Eliza and Alexander sacrificing Eliza for his career.

Angelica didn’t write one love letter to him in the musical, she is not a scumbag 😒

@velky_reeds

3 жыл бұрын

He was talking about Angelica being a "scumbag" for having an "intimate" relationship with Alexander, NOT in the song. And don't come at me saying that Eliza knew about the letters, because in First Burn, it was revealed in the lyrics: "I see how you look at my sister. Don't ever think I'm naive...". So it was obvious that Eliza wasn't fond of the things happening behind her back between Alex and Angelica. It's true that Angelica is kind and selfless, but it doesn't take away the fact that she gives consent to Alexander to write her letters because she tells Alex that "Alex is better than her husband" (seen in "Non-stop") and that she lives off of reading Alex's letters. ANGELICA IS INDEED STILL MESSED UP DESPITE LOVING HER SISTER.

@snackeater4990

3 жыл бұрын

@@velky_reeds Watch their “Take a break” reaction. They think Angelica was writing love letters to Hamilton. And they’re Canadians, they don’t know about american history, so it’s clear that they’re talking about the song, not irl. She didn’t cheat with him either. So no, Angelica is not messed up or a scumbag. Don’t do her like that 😑

@introvertedaz9963

3 жыл бұрын

@@velky_reeds That's not the real first burn, it was made by fans so don't even quote it bruh.

@theoddtrashcan7104

3 жыл бұрын

@@introvertedaz9963 first burn was a real thing dude

@introvertedaz9963

3 жыл бұрын

@@theoddtrashcan7104 Ik, but there's two, one has fan made lyrics (which I personally prefer) the original isn't as bold.

I guess the one thing good that Angelica did is she never acted upon her feelings

@introvertedaz9963

3 жыл бұрын

And all the other good things she did in the play.

I'd never heard this until today and WOW. I wish they'd kept this in the show.

It would've been interesting to see what this would have looked like if it made the actual stage production.

Okay, this is my first time listening to “Congratulations” and the BEGINNING THOOOO🤣🤣🤣 “Alexander....CONGRATULATIONS! You have invented a new kind of stupid”🤣🤣🤣

The one thing I didn't like about Lin's Hamilton was that they portrayed Angelica to be a martyr and sacrificed her love for Alexander for her sister's happiness. Yes it's a good move for drama but now some people thought it as a testament of what happened and say that Eliza only got him because of her and it pisses me off. In reality, Angelica didn't have to marry a rich man, she chose John Barker Church. Their father refused to give them his blessing so they ran away to get married. Out of all the sisters, only Eliza didn't elope. The letters Ham and Angelica were indeed flirty but Eliza knew about them and she's also present as he writes the letters.

She spent her whole life wanting him, but she never once pursued him. She wanted him because met him first and liked him. She instantly set her feelings aside once Eliza said she wanted him. From that moment on she watched from the shadows. She could have had an affair with Hamilton, but she didn’t because she loves Eliza more than she will ever love him. She could have taken advantage of the fact that he cheated, and been with him, but she didn’t. She stood right by Eliza like she has always done.

aw man it really sucked to hear angelica being called a scumbag

The situation is strange and that's why the song was taken out of the musical leaving a small part at fast speed in "The Reynolds Pamphlet".

She is in no way a scumbag she literally sacrificed everything for her sister

Angelica understood why she had to let Alexander go, she was bound by duty and family legacy as well stated in 'Satisfied'. I agree that she shouldn't have longed and loved Alexander her whole life but I can understand why she did. I don't think she feels better than Alexander but her stance on sisterly love is stronger than her feelings for Alexander, which says a lot! I'd do the same thing for my sister, it's a real strong sisterly love. I'd silence myself and sacrifice like Angelica if it meant her being happy. I think older sisters can really understand wanting the best for their younger sisters.

Guys, good work. We now need first burn, who lives who dies and who tells your story, and eliza's final song. Great reaction

If Alex married Angelica instead, the letters wouldn't be the only thing burning

Thank you for reacting to this! It was extremely well made. The only animatic of this performance that actually brought tears to my eyes. I wish they didn’t cut it from the actual performance.

I completely disagree with the comments, part of growing up is accepting that Angelica was acting wrong too. she knew how Alexander was (even in satisfaction she mentions it) and when she received letters from her she never did anything to stop him, on the contrary she played along with him. she never did anything to stop loving Alexander, not even thinking about her husband and her children.

Did you even listen to the song? She is not a scumbag or a piece of crap, neither historically nor in the musical. Whatever feelings she had for Alexander, she never acted upon them. The most they did was exchange a few flirty letters, that's it.

JV After Very Angelica's songs: Man, that's Crazy!!!!!!!

Based on the play; Angelica and Hamilton refered to each other like brother and sister as seen in take a break. She had a crush on Hamilton but I think by this song she had gotten over it and it was an 'I liked you and you betrayed me' thing. Eliza also knew about the letters and didn't have a problem with them because the only times they flirted was a joke. Angelica was not a scumbag because she was a loyal sister

Here is how I look at marriages in the past.. there wasn't that much love anyway. A fixed marriage in order to combine wealth is not love. You can't force yourself to love someone you didn't fall for.

@fleur_and_flower

3 жыл бұрын

Real-life Angelica actually ran off and eloped with her husband (as did Peggy), so you'd have to assume that her marriage to her husband was her own choice. Eliza was the only one of the sisters who actually did not elope. Hamilton was an orphan, born to his mother (she left her first husband to be with Alexander's father) and father out of wedlock, with no money to his name. While Alexander and Eliza eventually fell in love, you have tobe aware that he was also marrying someone who was way above his station (because Philip Schuyler was rich).

I definitely would not nowhere near call Angelica a “scumbag”, she did have feelings for ham but didn’t act upon them, and their letters to one another were more political than anything, sure there may have been tiny amounts of flirting in their letters, but it was more like friendly banter than anything

also, cant wait for Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Tells Your Story

This is a deleted song off the musical. It's so good, they should have left it.

FINALLYYYYYYYYY-thankyou, I have been requesting this for so longggggg, you should also do first burn. P.S -I love your Chanel

Pls! tell me your gonna react to all of ziksua's animations, I.E First Burn, and Who lives who dies who tells your story. they are absolutely wonderful, and are the best animatics ive ever seen!

I don’t get how people listen to these and think Angelica was wrong like what Angelica never did anything wrong sure they wrote some letters back and forth that could be seen as a bit flirty but she would never do that to her sister her whole thing is I love you but I’ll give you up and live unhappily so my sister can be happy

"For the rest of your life, every sacrifice you make is for my sister, give her the best life." Damnit, I wish that turned out to be true, but the death of a son isn't something I can imagine anybody wanting. Had he talked Phillip into just not going to Weehawken, despite the fact that it would damage Phillip's honor/reputation, and had he just swallowed his -narcissism- pride and apologized to VP Burr, that would've been true sacrifice.

please make a reaction to "First burn" and "Dear Theodosia reprise"

Angelica and Hamilton had a jokingly flirty relationship and Eliza was fine with it since she didn't feel threatened by Angelica. The two girls had a lot of trust in each other and have joked around about sharing Hamilton before too....( What I've said is from research, not the musical that is far from actual fact.)

Dude ... they don’t know what they talm bout 😂😂

Yeah she loves her sister husband but I mean I really love someone that’s taken, you try the get the little things that would make your life. His letters. It was the only thing she’ll ever have, besides his eyes. Angelica talks politics with Hamilton whole Eliza prefers not to.

You guys HAVE to react to First Burn it was the original version of Burn

The first time I heard this song, it hit me so hard!

you should watch first burn by this artist it's the song burn but with more lyrics and she really Digs into Hamilton in that version edit: the real Angelika got married before meeting Hamilton and they were only rumored to be flirty

Scumbag? Isn't Alexander the one who had an affair?

Her songs are the best

The comments on that video are the best ever.

I don't think the letters were anything bad I think at most it was flurts but no more than that and Eliza knew about it I think

would LOVE if you guys could react to “10 things 1 thing” (idk if it’s up on your patreon) it hits way harder than “the world was wide enough” for sure!!

I'd love to see your reaction to First Burn. It's so good.

You should really react to Hamilton in 7 minutes (if I'm not mistaken) love your videos btw! Lots of Love from the Philippines

You should react to "First Burn" by Ziksua too. I'm sure you won't regret it❤️

Why did I cry?...

You guys should listen to First Burn, it was the first draft Burn

Plz plz react to First Burn, it’s a different side of Eliza’s feelings in the Burn

Yes!

PLEASE PLEASE do first burn is so good

Some food for thought that I always thought about: Was Angelica angry at Alexander for sleeping with another woman...or angry cause SHE wasn’t the other woman...

@unknownlyn750

3 жыл бұрын

OOP

@trinitysampson4126

3 жыл бұрын

Did you listen to the song...?

@SeizeTheDay95

3 жыл бұрын

@@trinitysampson4126 I did, it was just a thought at the back on my head...

There's a public live version of this, performed by Renée Elise Goldsberry (Angelica Schuyler) and Rory O'Malley (King George, but playing Alexander Hamilton in this video) with Alex Lacamoire and the band! It was the final Broadway #Ham4Ham show. You should check it out! kzread.info/dash/bejne/hp-uz5WnodXSgZs.html

I hadn’t heard this song before... I def see why it wasn’t in the play. 🤤😳

@Izzy_Wild

3 жыл бұрын

why?

yayyyyyy

React to say no to this on Disney+ plz

The cut this from the movie

I mean, Angelica's anger expressed at Alex is a cover for her own self-blame, which some would say is misplaced, as she was only having at most an intellectual affair instead of Maria's sexual affair with Alex, and while I personally feel that romantic or intimate infidelity is a worse betrayal than a sexual affair, at this point, she cannot hold that blame over herself, and it's petty and stupid for history to hold that over her and allow it to taint how history views her, and we as modern people cannot "cast the first stone," as the Christian phrase goes.

Damn wish this was chiino

Attempt no 3: One Punch Man Reaction pls

Please react to Hamilton burn first

Hm

Can you please react to first brun of Hamilton

What???🤔🤔

React to first burn please

Look guys, they're not responding to any of our comments so they don't have to admit they're in the wrong. That's gross guys, I thought you were okay people until this, but your behavior here is just low.

I love Jane’s emotion. Everyone like 👍🏽 this video.

@theshadowfax239

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, she has the emotional intelligence of a 8 year old. 'You bad, you good...'

Wow, Angelica stans all up and down these comments. Good lord.

I don’t understand why people wanted this song personally it feels like it adds literally nothing to the experience the congratulations part is just like “music music” then a sudden monotone ?congratulations then more music

This is a horrible take on the sacrifice of giving up on someone that you loved for someone you loved more’s well-being. Not a fan of this reaction.

No es de Hamilton👎

To all those confused, he was talking about Angelica being a "scumbag" for having an "intimate" relationship with Alexander, NOT in the song. And don't come at me saying that Eliza knew about the letters, because in First Burn, it was revealed in the lyrics: "I see how you look at my sister. Don't ever think I'm naive...". So it was obvious that Eliza wasn't fond of the things happening behind her back between Alex and Angelica. It's true that Angelica is kind and selfless, but it doesn't take away the fact that she gives consent to Alexander to write her letters because she tells Alex that "Alex is better than her husband" (seen in "Non-stop") and that she lives off of reading Alex's letters. ANGELICA IS INDEED STILL MESSED UP DESPITE LOVING HER SISTER.