This is my nightmare! Dream big, go small, start now 🙂

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Haha, I know I know. If you guys could live on your Porta-boat you would :)

@HopeOfJoe

6 жыл бұрын

Not great counsel "to live small." Unless you have a Ton-o-Money, walk away from this boat. Irwin made a great cruiser, yet, without the upkeep, it has deteriorated significantly. Thre are other Dream Boats available out there. RESEARCH, not emotions

@3DPDK

6 жыл бұрын

My expertise: I have been building fiberglass boats since 1976, from runabouts to 150 foot sailing yachts. I'm also an electronic tech and marine systems mechanic, a professional 100 ton captain and QMED. If you have an extremely strong relationship with your partner, your relationship may survive. Whether married or not, this will strain the relationship. This project, with two experienced boat builders is a two year upgrade at best. "Experienced" means full working knowledge of fiberglass techniques, marine carpentry and cabinetry, marine electrical and plumbing and HVAC, at least some knowledge of diesel engines and their support systems. Yes you can learn these things as you go but add to the amount of time before she's ready to sell for $200,000 for every area you are lacking in experience. It will cost a pretty penny, too, or you won't be able to sell her for that amount. Bottom paint alone for this ol' girl will cost you over $1000 (if you use the paint that she is worth). Marine stove and oven; $600. Marine water heater; $700 (not including the plumbing). Marine AC; $1000 to $1400 for a vessel this size. Marine refrigeration; $2000. In all this do not "skimp" and use household systems. You will not get the resale price if you "jury-rig" any system. Be prepared for the bottom work. The Yard fee will run you $500 per month plus electric (usually) and most yards will not allow you to live aboard while on stands, so you want to splash her as quickly as possible, but *don't cut corners* . Be sure to refurbish the bottom completely. Don't just paint over old bottom paint, have the sanders and materials ready to *prepare* the surface for new, good paint. Replace the cutlass bearing, check the strut mounts (if she has them) and rudder posts. Remedy all blisters and any water leaking out from unusual places in the hull (a sign of trapped water in the lamination) This will be nearly impossible to detect if she's been out of the water for some time. That "spongy" quarter deck is going to be a major issue. It will cost you through the nose to contract a professional. If you tackle it yourself at least find the glass guy in the yard to check your work. This isn't like filling over a rust hole in your Chevy truck with a bit of Bondo. Even if you do it yourself, expect to spend about $1000 dollars on resin and glass. Fiberglast.com is a good source for the individual buyer. What you are contemplating is why I began building boats at 26 so I would never tell you not to do it. My best advice to both of you is to be certain of your capabilities, both as a craftsman and a loving partner. This is one time a bit of a pessimistic view point is a healthy thing. I am at the mid point of refurbishing a Chris Craft Apache 37' (Sparksman and Stevens racing design) and it has been 1 and 1/2 years so far ... and this boat was in decent shape. I'm working on it by myself and the steel keel took six months by itself to bring back up to "snuff". Your work on this one will not just be to put a fresh coat of varnish and sail her off to the Caribbean, but your dream is not impossible.

@JSilva-tl9nj

6 жыл бұрын

Very thoughtful and accurate reply. Big money to "splash" her and the longer a big boat like that sits on the yard you will have to absorb monthly fees. Furthermore expect the unexpected, once you size up the cost and time add 20%.

@3DPDK

6 жыл бұрын

Coda Silva: I agree but I would almost say expect almost 50% more cost on this one. When you start digging into years of neglect and lack of knowledge on materials and techniques you start finding all the flaws hidden under a clean coat of paint and dark corners in the bilge. I've done a lot of yard periods in my life, from private vessels, to tug boats, to casino boats, to two U.S. Navy ships, and never once did work finish on time; usually taking twice as long as expected.

I built luxury Yachts for 22 years, best advice on this one Viking burial boat

I saw a 50 foot sailboat with mast, sails etc and is far better condition than this one that sold for $1. It took $25,000 in the yard to put in an engine and paint it and fix the minor stuff like thru hulls etc. Look in the harbors and simply ask everyone, talk to all the boaters especially the really old ones. You will be amazed. They would rather give a loving couple a boat than to let the gov or marina get it when they die or have to move off it etc.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Good advice! Thank you for watching! - Randi

@jamarperrin4409

5 жыл бұрын

Where can I find deals like this. Looking now. Not much to spend but willing to put the work in.

For the first time ever, I agree completely with my wife! She says NO!!! Thanks for sharing this very enlightening video. The comments too.

Every time I watch this video and see this boat I fall in love with its potential no matter what people in the comments are saying below about how you should run away and it's a money pit. It be one hell of a project to restore this boat to its full potential.

@carlthor91

7 ай бұрын

Yep, no trailer, no mast $5k, with trailer and mast ~$20k max.

You know what they say. A free boat is the most expensive boat you can get.

@OEFarredondo

6 жыл бұрын

I’ve done it. It was fun and a great learning experience. I spent 12k. The same boat complete a week later showed up for 9k... fml

Don't walk away from this boat....RUN! A surveyor will be a waste of money. The dollar and time cost to bring this hull back from the dead will be outrageous. Don't even think about this. For much less money, you can buy a very nice cruising boat this is ready or almost ready to go. If I still haven't convinced you, go through the boat and write down EVERY LITTLE THING that will have to be done or purchased. Estimate the materials cost for item and total that up. Then, estimate the time for each item and total that up. Then multiply then time figure by at least 3 and if you haven't done it before, even more. I'm guessing that the money will add up to $75 - $150K if you're honest about it and the time will run into the thousands of hours.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

For sure. I totally agree. The time is the biggest issue for us though. That's most likely the reason we won't be getting this.

@originalfiremancancelled7303

6 жыл бұрын

Dan Best my guess was closer to 200,000 of course when finished after putting that kind of money into it it'll only be worth $50,000...

@superglider8985

6 жыл бұрын

There is a very good reason why that boat was STRIPPED of anything worth re-using... because THAT boat is, well, scrap, which is why it is where it is. Leave it to its final rest in pieces.

My grandfather owned a Irwin just like this, he sailed it from Del Ray CA to NC and back through the Caribbean. I spent a lot of time with him at the Marina in CA and this boat is a beauty when its in great condition. Sad to see this great boat in such a mess.

I love the ocean, when I'm standing on the shore looking at it, that's me done.

A friend of mine was walking through the marina and admired a 28' (as I recall) wooden sloop in the water being worked on by an older man. She complimented him on the boat and he asked if she wanted to buy it. She replied that she couldn't possibly afford to. He asked how much she had in her pocket. For $5 she became a boat owner. A bunch of us helped her scrape and varnish on weekends.

i enjoy your sense of adventure!!! i'm of that cloth also and know just how tempting a project such as this can be~~~i'm also a realist, and can see that even if you were to pick this rig up for free, y'all would dump a good 200K to make it right + all the strife and strain on your relationship would be enough to break most couples apart~~~I'd council to keep on a'movin folks!!! You'll find the right sitch out there~~All the best to you both, and may the wind be at'cher backs, ehyaHO!!!

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! We ended up walking away from this one.

@jjjsmith2497

6 жыл бұрын

What a kind reply! Good for you sir...

@dlittle675

5 жыл бұрын

Shit boat , would not touch it Erwin a shit boat builder. If it were a swan maybe .. however were is that junk yard looks like there's some good boat shit there What a shit heap that one is .

Such stunning scenery. I enjoy this a lot. Reminds me of my trips where I take the good music like the Guns N Roses, Imagine Draongs or the Delta Parole and then enjoy the powerful feeling of the sea. ¡vamos!

Okay, guys. You're both young and energetic and smart. Get the guy to drop the price and go for it. You have a good hull and deck layout. Your interior layout is nice. You don't have much else, but if you don't mind living rough for a year or so and learning fiberglass and woodwork, you'll have something to be proud of. Been living on and building my boats for forty years. Nothing is impossible. Think before you do, then a little at a time. Don't get frustrated or hurry. A steady pace wins the race. Good luck to you both.

Yeah,,,no! Even for free. I wouldn't take this if they paid me to haul it off.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Not even for a dope lawn decoration? :)

@carolinabeacher1558

6 жыл бұрын

id take it for free, if it was where i live, but if i had to move it, they can keep it.

Do not even accept this boat if it is free. The cost and time required to bring this boat back will far exceed the cost of the same boat in good condition.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Understood, however once done with this boat it'll be 90% brand new. It wouldn't compare to the same boat in good condition because it would be in 90% brand new condition, which is better than just good condition. Just my thoughts, but I could be completely wrong.

@TonyAnschutz

6 жыл бұрын

It would be 90% brand new but if you bought another one that is currently floating you could invest the same money and 10% of the time and have a boat that is 90% new as well. This boat is a nightmare and it would be years of money for storage before you could even move onboard.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Definitely something to think about. Thanks!

@ronbowman4145

6 жыл бұрын

+Learning The Lines It's that other 10% that would worry me. There are too many problems that could be hidden that you may not find during a restoration. "If anythings going to happen it's going to happen out there"

@normanbraslow7902

3 жыл бұрын

Learning the Lines, you are wrong, dead wrong.

Good. There’s a lot of nice boats here in oriental North Carolina....as I’m many other places. Glad you walked. A guy came to buy one of my sailboats who was fresh divorced. His dream was to sail off into the sunset and have his wife beg him to come home. The guy didn’t know what a crescent wrench was. I told him nightmares are dreams too!! Lol.. months later he texted me a hearty THANK YOU.!! Good for you and your wife. Buy one you can use! Just my humble opinion. Greg

Just found your KZread channel and I can't wait to see you fix or find a sail boat!

I’m not a sailor, just a retired Home builder. Still, I can see that a project like this for two inexperienced diy people would take years to complete. Even if both of you can work it full time. Plus a boat load of money would be required. Biting off more than you can realistically do is a recipe for disaster. Even if everything worked out can two people even sail a boat that size? Find something smaller. Find something easier. It will still be plenty of work. Your little current boat has taught you that lesson.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, Somnium has even proven to be a handful when it comes to "simple" things like bottom paint. I'm sure a 52 ft bottom job would be a nightmare. - Randi

@theodorevancil4928

6 жыл бұрын

John Walsh im

I grew up on an Irwin 52. Sailing ship Malu Kai 😍

The two best days of boat ownership...the day you buy and the day you sell😯

Be interested to see some of these in the process of being restored vids, good learning and advice tool and experience or ideas from others is super.

It very much depends if you are able to do the work yourself and if rebuilding a boat from scratch is your dream. The price is NOT good. It will cost money to get rid of it for the current owner. It has No or a Negative value. If you are (or want to become) of the same stuff as Mads, Nike, Matt and Jessica I would say go for it. With heaps of time and a lot of grit you can achieve the impossible. For most mere mortals I would say it might not be the best idea. But buying a boat for me is not a calculation of value. If you walk on to YOUR boat, nothing sane and sensible is going to stop you :-). Just take all the time you need! No one is going to buy it in the next 50 years for anything over 5K.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Mads is my hero haha, however I'm not sure we're ready for a refit to the extent that he's doing on Athena. I think the only way we'd even consider this boat is if we got it for next to nothing.

@FromThePrairies

6 жыл бұрын

Mads, Nike, Matt and Jessica would all run screaming from this. Even Karl floated and Athena at least could be sailed. Elements was in awesome shape for 10 years on the hard and her engine still worked!

@andydelapoer

6 жыл бұрын

Run away,it will cost 5 times what you think it will.Don't pay more than 1 dollar,you will be doing the owner a huge favour if you take it off his hands.

@billdigiacomo6632

6 жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more with S/V. I read an article about a guy who restored a 32 footer. His most expensive aspect of his re do was the sails at $30,000. That boat is a 52'? You can plan on 40 to 50 thousand on sails alone. That is the last phase of a rebuild. This boat will cost you at least $120,000, and that's with you doing all the work! Like Robert said. RUN AWAY QUICKLY!!!!

@captandysir8670

6 жыл бұрын

Not just "time and a lot of grit"! You'll also need a lot of dollars and cents. A Naval Architect with 40 years says don't do it. The difference between the asking and "next to nothing" is small compared to your final cost. As has been said, I wouldn't take for free.

First, let me say I admire you both for your dreams, and enthusiastic outlook. We all need dreams to keep life worth living. However those dreams need to be tempered with reality. That boat is just not worth the enormous amount of cash, time and effort, or wear and tear on your relationship. Instead of having dream of eventually sailing a beautiful boat you have rehabilitated yourselves, you would eventually become sick and tired of everything related to boats and sailing. Prowl your local marinas and with patience, you will find that perfect boat you both can be proud to own. You will also be proud to celebrate many anniversaries together as well.

@denisstanley6546

3 жыл бұрын

People seldom listen to good advice. I always get a marine surveyor to check out what im thinking of buying. Then sit down and add up all the parts i need. Brings me back to reality very quickly. I have a 13 year old beneteau. 44 that i bought 3 years ago. It was in excellent condition and the surveyors report was good. An up front cost but i can sail from when i bought it. Fixing old yachts is expensive very very very.

I am glad to hear you guys walked (or maybe ran) away from this scrap boat. I could not see anything of value here, just expenses and heartache and disappointment. I've been watching boats up to 44' and 52' for awhile - sailboats and motorboats inboard and outboard, and cats and all kinds. I've never seen anything that started in this bad shape be made into a working boat. Be glad so many people gave you good advice, and you had sense enough to take it.

I read further down where you said you walked away from this hulk. Good for you!!!

I like the idea of finding a fixer-upper, I got my Galaxy 32 for free and put a few years work in, shes fine now. However a boat as large as this will be a constant drain on the wallet, as bottom paint, storage, docking fees not to mention all rigging and hardware will be super sized and expensive. Keep looking, there's deals to be had, but I would stick to 40 feet and under if you can.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, the larger the boat, the more expensive in every way. - Randi

This was going to be Ganesha❤️ My husband used to run Don's Salvage with his dad which is why it's there. We bought her from a crook of a guy who could never come up with her paperwork (we only lost our small deposit). She was floating when we got her and we actually drove her to the marina to get hauled out in 2015. We worked on her for a few months and were completely in love with this boat!! SO many big dreams to get her restored!! Once the deal went sour we had to walk away until it was resolved years later which is why they now own it. We still may give her a go, but she has sat for so long it's not exactly practical! I cried when I watched this video as I haven't been on her since I was devastated over the loss of the deal. I truly believe she still has a life to live on the water and hope someday she will float again! ✌🏼😊

@oldnick4707

5 жыл бұрын

Brittany Tess, why not tarp it over? maybe it was? maybe it is still? seems silly to let water in

@smilinjack64

5 жыл бұрын

Be thankful you only lost your deposit! I still detect that spark in you. Don't watch this again!! :-)

@artsmith103

5 жыл бұрын

Amazing only 2 comments to such a significant comment. When you think about what $100k can buy near 50ft this seems hopeless.

@kevinfisher1345

5 жыл бұрын

That is a sad story and such a great boat just turned into a waste. Such a shame. Could she still float one day, sure I guess. But it is no longer practical and would only be done by someone for labour of love. All I can say is I can almost feel the pain you prolly went through over this.

So much work but when you are done...yeah buddy. I fixed up a gutted 26ft. Worth it.

Growing up my dad bought a 34 Olympia that was damaged in a storm. It had a big hole where it hit the jetty and was gutted. It had a lot of the hardware motor etc, no sails. Every weekend we would go down and work on the boat. Finally he did it. Bought sails from Tokyo ( we still get a xmas card from that sail company 35 years later) and sailed that boat to the island for every vacation. Theres alot of boat there for the price. But you should have the basics, mast, cables with turnbuckles, all the rigging, because that stuff will cost. If you are handy the interior is a great project because you have the shell of the layout. Basically put it back together and a away you. Best thing my dad ever did. Lots of memorizes in that boat.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you certainly have fond memories of your dad's boat. We ended up walking away from this boat. I think it could be an amazing project, but unfortunately the time and money it would take is not something we could commit to at this time.

Just run a way fast.... This boat will cost more to fix than it will be worth when done so don't take it even if its free. Total waste of time and money.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

We're running!

@MusicWorld-zy6dl

6 жыл бұрын

I agree, walk away this boat will take 3-5 years to bring up to a nice condition. A lot of money cos everything will need to be replaced unless you are very skilled and can service rusty winches. At the minimum to just sail the boat will take 1-2 years to just renew the glassing on decks and hull. The amount of osmosis must be massive. Very expensive to renovate unless you have a quarter of a million at the least.

@tomharvy9374

6 жыл бұрын

I do not know boats but I agree. Buying part cost more then buying whole.

@jbird1173

6 жыл бұрын

Reason it's still there is because of the cost to dispose of it.

@beehappywoodworkingandhone439

6 жыл бұрын

Florida Saltwater Life

Cool to look at... But seriously don't buy it. Dont take it if its free!... You can buy a beautiful catalina 38 or any other boat for 25k and go sailing tomorrow...

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

But a Catalina 38 isn't an Irwin 52... I understand your point though. If we go this route we'll really lowball that price. Closest thing to zero would be the goal... lol

@bailey9r

6 жыл бұрын

And THIS Irwin 52 isn't a sailing vessel and won't be for a looong time. ;

I instantly subscribed when I first saw this. I too have had a recent stir in my soul yearning for the open sea...and then some. You guys are lucky you are starting in your 20's. I'm already 32 but plan to one day have a boat of my own to sail the world. Who knows, perhaps one day we'll cross paths!! Curious, would it be easier to purchase a salvaged gutted boat and making it work for you or to build your own?

I Did an 1988 IRWIN 44 Center Cockpit 44 . Had Been De-Masted n Then Stripped Of Gear ,Engine & Gen. Had No Sails Or Rigging !! Been Sailing It Around Narragansett Bay Rhode Island n Having A Lot Of FUN !! Bought A Lot Of Stuff At Consignment Shops n Craiglist . I Bought Used MAST From Wharf Marina In Warwick RI !(Peter At Wharf Sold About 300 IRWIN Sailboats Before IRWIN Went Under ) I Also Bought NEW Cockpit cushions n Stantions From Wharf Peter Had Hidden Away In A Loft !. I Got BOW RAIL , Few More Stantions & Life Lines From DONS Marine Salvage In Florida Had Them Shipped North ! GOOD LUCK With Whatever PROJECT You Choose !! ROY F. Williams

Dude you can have that thing sailing in 5 months. Done it a few times to different boats. It just probably needs patch jobs, which being fiberglass, can be done pretty cheap especially if you can do it yourself.

@charlesreid9337

Жыл бұрын

a 52? Maybe but in a year or two it will be on the bottom of the ocean or a scrap yard. The sails alone will cost you 10k to replace. The mast.. maybe 20 to 25.. boats this big are insanely expensive to maintain.

I love that layout... I swear I could smell that salty dank aroma here in Tennessee.

Dons marine salvage. Don was my grandfathers cousin. I remember going to dons salvage yard and spending hours with my dad looking for random junk lol. Unfortunately the Florida sun and terrible weather conditions ruined a lot of the items there. They recently started cleaning up the yard. I did see some badass flats boats and bay boats there for cheap

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Small world! Thanks for watching.

The young and clueless. It's a gutted hulk. It will destroy your finances, your credit, your marriage and your outlook on life.

@arvidmartinkat48

5 жыл бұрын

Jop

@Pat92346

5 жыл бұрын

lol.....yer probably right...

@asearcher520

5 жыл бұрын

Even if youre right, youre an asshole. Phrase it better or move on with your day.

@sandyt4343

5 жыл бұрын

feeble deeble sorry but he’s absolutely right and to sugarcoat this is doing not a bit of good to anybody. I’ve worked in a harbor for 35 years and been involved with it and boat builders and dreamers for more than 50 years. I’ve seen so many people destroy their futures by getting into a project like this that I’ve lost count. Many good friends have built boats and made it to Hawaii and just realize how much work and how little freedom that lifestyle can actually bring you, being tied to a boat when you get to another destination. I’ve owned countless boats and in my job have demolished many dozens. I salvaged EVERYTHING of value, down to every stainless nut bolt and screw and with the mass ( my wife said mess) of parts I have I still often come up short for parts when doing projects on my boats. I sure hope that they didn’t get that hulk. Because it’s a fast way to ruin your life. And savings.

@asearcher520

5 жыл бұрын

You're response at least has some reasoning and explanations. Insulting them and giving them advice seems like an asshole thing to do was my point.@@sandyt4343

if they wont sell it for 3 k.. get a buyers broker and they will get it for 5000 plus 1000 commission.. you dont need a survey..you can see everything is broken

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Broken or missing! Lol

@BruceInFlorida

6 жыл бұрын

Hey..... sounds like a good NAME for this beast :) :) :) just replace "or" with " AND"

@ianzacher1942

6 жыл бұрын

Nope nope nope. Way too much. Search and see what you can buy for that money and it wont look like that. Be patient and wait for a real bargain. All the best.

I worked on a monk sr 50 foot white oak haul teak top ketch. It was built in the 60 and was never properly taken care of. I spent 10 years on it replacing dry rot. When the dry dock refused to haul me out for repaint and survey even with a $30,000 bond I was then forced out of my marina because I couldn’t get a survey. Catch 22. After a year of back and forth, I donated the boat to the coast guard auxiliary for training. The sold it for salvage.

52 is a good size for a long cruise/live, Irwin's are nice boats, like the clean decks, you will be glad when you get dealt to because you won't ship blue water.

looks like 10 years work, 500 grand & an un-insurable boat at the end my2c better to buy something that works & start sailing now!

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback!

@someoneelse794

6 жыл бұрын

Word!

@peterharris8506

6 жыл бұрын

This boat to buy in good condition will cost 6 times the amount that it cost now.

A survey is a waste of time and money. What are they going to survey? It's a bare hull with a rotted deck, no wiring, no systems. There is a reason it is there and is a 5 year project at least.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

That's true, maybe just the integrity of the hull... but that's about it.

@BigTranquil

6 жыл бұрын

I disagree! The price of a good surveyor will pay for itself finding issues you won't, that you can use to bargain the price down.

@robertgarbe6348

6 жыл бұрын

Like I said THERE IS NOTHING TO SURVEY and that hull is not worth $10. So how much you gonna bargain them down.Survey Report:Electronics BadDeck Softportholes missingEngine MissingPlumbing MissingSteering MissingNice thick hull.That'll be $1500, thank you.

@SIONARAFLORIDA

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely true, theres nothing left to survey.

A well-cared for Irwin would make a great home as long as you know what you're getting into maintaining a boat of that era. I wouldn't touch *this* Irwin with a 52 foot pole. A good friend's got a modified Irwin 65 (they glassed a sugar scoop on when they were chartering her out of the BVI... made it easier for the guests to get in and out of the water) and she's a *ton* of work to take care of (somethings *always* breaking), but a stunner of a boat, super comfortable to live aboard, and a really great time.

My brother got a free 40 foot Chris's Craft "taught" for free with running motor masts and some sails, he spent a year fixing it up. He was trying to buy a morning for sail, owner offered it for grand, was not sure if motor ran. Negotiated it to free. Brother added battery's and solar battery chargers, fixed up the trail, Rigging and sails, made sail covers. I spent two weekends with him sailing the Chesapeake Bay on it, this is his third free sailboat. So yes its possible with all never sailed nice sailboats sting in harbors docs and storage.

LOL. $25.000!. I can't stop laughing! The person that quoted you that should pay you to take that hulk of his hands.

@bensouthwell1339

5 жыл бұрын

I think their was a new Hummie parked out side that went with the deal

Honestly I wouldn't take that boat for free, it's a massive undertaking not to mention a HUGE boat, do you have any experience skippering a boat this size? As just a young couple I'd suggest buying a smaller boat that's more or less ready to go for 25k.. plenty of them and it will be much more enjoyable than maintaining this beast.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

We have a 27, however it's not a world cruiser.

@ekaterinacherkez9360

6 жыл бұрын

+Learning The Lines certainly an Oday isn't but that doesn't mean others aren't, sailed all over the Caribbean in a 25 foot cape dory from us east coast. I'd suggest checking out cape dory 36, allied seawind, pacific seacraft for something more rugged and easy to maintain/sail compared to this beast.

If you love it then do it. All the naysayers are the same people watching your dream on tv and dying inside. Everything on a boat is work but I find it all gratifying and I have fixed up plenty of boats.

run...dont walk away, RUN!!!!

Run run RUN! 😳

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Lol thanks for the feedback

The best boat is the one you already own, You will spend years repairing when you could be exploring. I have to agree run away.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the input! We did end up walking away from this one. -Randi

Been to this boat parts scrap yard ‘this boat has been there for years. Notwithstanding the effort

No advice here. We’re too new to do that. 😂 BUT what we will say is we love the content and as new sailing channel, we admire all the hard work y’all are putting in. 👍⛵️

Run away quickly. This hulk will drain you life away long before yo get it in the water. I own an Irwin.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback smeagle!

@robertorzech2466

6 жыл бұрын

Goulum

@robertorzech2466

6 жыл бұрын

Both sounds good too. About the Irwin, Start by pricing all the rigging and hardware ,blocks etc. That alone should just blow your mind. You need to find some old guy who's taken' up cruising by motor cycle who's had enough paying for keeping his old dream on the hard. And practically wants to give it away.. You're still young. I would offer that guy 10 cents on the dollar, so around 2,000 $ he'll probably take it. I bought a beautiful 31 ft sloop with roller furling , spinnaker ,radar,Plotter, engine needed repair. It was loaded ,12 winches and racing equipped all for 400$ low ball which I was totally embarrassed to offer ,but it was all I had. Of course he refused on the spot . I asked him to keep my number and two months later he called me and said it was mine. Plus it had fresh coat of bottom paint last time it was pulled out on the hard.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Sorry, Jordan deleted his comment about being both after I "yelled" at him about your icon obviously being Gollum. My sister was a huge LOTR fan growing up, so I know, it's all in the eyes. Lol. Sounds like you got an amazing deal! Jordan was on the hunt for a while, and found us quite a deal as well. Stay tuned for the next episode. - Randi

@nashguy207

6 жыл бұрын

Are Irwins not a good boat do not much about sailboats. Back in the 80's me and some friends chartered a 54' irwin out of Miami it came with a captain we sailed from Miami to Bahamas then to key west and back to miami we did this 3 different years had a blast I remember the boat seemed fairly nice a friend of our family new the owner of the boat he lived here in Nashville he did something in the music business i think the name of the boat was the c sharp But thats about all the experience i have had with sail boats I have more time with motor boats and small motor yachts I would think it would cost 150k or so to fix that boat up am I wrong?

Do the calc: A Irwin 52 from 1977 is about US$125k, this they're asking 25k, even if it takes a year to fully renovate it, in a year you both can make more than 100k and get a OK boat.

A similar tale, only much much smaller. I bought a 26' sailboat to "fix up" for $700. Every bit of core was rotten, every bulk head, all the furniture was too far gone to repair, but the fiberglass was in good shape. I spent weeks with a cutting wheel, angle grinder and a chisel removing all of the core material, that was the hard part. The expensive part was the marine grade plywood, balsa, fiberglass, gallons upon gallons of resin and epoxy, wire, stainless steel fasteners, 7/8" tubing, varnish, and headliner material, just to name several things. I was able to use the old wood as templates for new bulkheads, stringers, and furniture. I read books, experimented, and taught myself all I needed to know for the "refit". I cant over state how much physical labor went into a 26' sailboat. All in all, I've spent 2.5 years working and about $14,000 dollars in materials, tools, and mostly use electronics/equipment. For me, it was a good choice, Ive got the boat I want and I've got it the way I want it. I could spend money at my pace, and as needed. I wouldn't have been able to spend $25,000 at once on a boat for a single purchase. Based on my personal experience, the Irwin would be a several year project, and you could easily dump $100,000. I can totally understand the excitement and vision of what the boat could be. Sometimes, DIY is the only way to make a dream come true. Best Wishes. PS, I plan to do a "refit" again, with a larger boat. Gett'er Done!

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for the feedback!

I rebuilt a 28' twin engine cabin cruiser a long time ago. The boat was run out and needed new 'everything'. My decision to rebuild it was the result of looking at the price of new boats. I figured I'd save money... bottom line is it took me 3 years and $50k which was a lot of money at the time. What I ended up with was the same old boat worth about 1/2 of what I put into it, not to mention burning all my time for 3 years working on the darn thing. Ended up buying a new boat a year later which I was able to enjoy trouble free for a long time.

Where is this amazing scrap yard?? I’m always looking for old Boat parts!

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

This was filmed at Don's Marine Salvage in St. Petersburg, Florida. :) -Randi

@rolexmd69

6 жыл бұрын

It’s off 49th in Clearwater across from Fed ex shipping facility. Ken Carter is counter manager and Bill is owner. Great people

@paulazemeckis3601

5 жыл бұрын

omg I live in st pete...but don's is in clearwater not in st pete. BIG DIFFERENCE!

I wake up every morning and thank God I do not own that boat.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@germanborgesxrt

5 жыл бұрын

I wake up every morning and thank God I do own a boat. (it is a little one)

@thelostlondoner3344

5 жыл бұрын

That crack me up! 🤣

@tomhermens7698

4 жыл бұрын

This boat would be a nightmare

@tristanmccauley2318

3 жыл бұрын

Ha ha ha you lucky man

Lovely size and a great project. Hope you have really deep pockets

Nice boat. Big project. Worth doing

It's in a scrap yard for a reason

@MrWolfSnack

4 жыл бұрын

Things end up in scrapyards because there are lazy people that spend all their time holding a phone and not a wrench and hammer.

@Seahorn_

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrWolfSnack Well, have fun repairing this boat then. I will spend the same amount of money on a boat that floats, has an interior and is seaworthy. The time I save with doing this, I will use to drink Bloody Marries and to listen to the cries of the fool who tries to fix this trashcan. (maybe I will even make a video with my phone and upload it on youtube). Morale of the story: use your brain not your mouth.

Id love to see where this ended up a year later :)

Has great potential - if you can get it for $3,000 or less. If you have another $50,000 to put into fixing it up. If you plan to do most of the work yourself and know how, or plan to learn. If you have three years, or more, to work on fixing this boat just about full time. Fixed up, it would be beautiful. You are correct, get it surveyed and have someone who knows a LOT more than I do about boats tell you if it is worth fixing. You have several years of ripping out rot, cutting, fiberglassing, sanding, painting, instrument, electrical, and plumbing work. After a long time in the boatyard, you can get the hull to float, move on board, then spend another year (or three) fixing the inside, the deck, the standing rigging and the running rigging. Finally, it can become a fabulous showboat - y'all are a cute couple and if you have the time & money to build this dream, it will eventually be beautiful & you can sail the world!

So I was in the area today, so I decided to stop by the lot. The Irwin is still there, unfortunately I couldn't find a ladder to climb up into the boat and look around. The owner seemed a bit too busy to look around for one, and when I asked about the ship, his first thought was that I was asking for parts of it and mentioned that he wasn't interesting in parting it out. I'm going to have to come back later with my own ladder and take a closer look.

Stay far far away. That is a lifetime project.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

I figured you'd say that Don! Lol

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't that be awesome though? Lol

@sbkenn1

6 жыл бұрын

When people ask how long it will take for me to finish my boat, I say "do you believe in reincarnation ?" 106ft of 60y/o double planked mahogany on oak.

@ErnestV

6 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't it be just more awesome to just get out sailing?

@sbkenn1

6 жыл бұрын

In my case, it is my home too. Seaworthy except for a lot of loose STUFF.

can't say oh hell no!! loud enough.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Lol, thanks for the input!

It's the perfect boat to live on - set up on a frame in a vacant lot.

Beautiful boat love to have, the space is unbelievable. Yes you could do a majority of the cosmetic problem areas and have the main concern items repaired. I get an estimate to repair the whole boat. I’m not a boat per say but you’ll need a ton of money. I wish you the best and hope it works out for you. Please provide youtubeers another video on your finale plan

Bring Out Another Thousand

$25K is insane. Wouldn’t it be cheaper to buy an Irwin that is seaworthy and start from that point? At the very least you could live and work on it.

Love her attitude.

Pass on this one. Keep looking around, you'll find it.

Run as fast as you can away from this money sinkhole. You will not save her.

@brentparks2292

5 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing! This boat will ruin a relationship, cause bankruptcy, and never be able to sail again. Seeing the spongy glass was the first clue before even going inside, then seeing it stripped down just confirms this boat is done.

@thomaskautzner4172

4 жыл бұрын

Hmmm ... money is oly money and comes and goes .... but for realizing that dream to rescue this great ship absolutely perfect. With 70 to 80 k you can rescue that great ship and have a very special unique cruise ship ... beginning from the first minutes from the restauration to the first new engine start in the water. Money sinkhole maybe ... but thats only money and not an important thing like health and your life ... but when you goes this way, then you have a gread adventure and a great boat again. Buying a boat which is ready for drive with guarantee from a reseller can evrybody and this is sooo stupid .... but that here its a amazing task and you grows up with your boat and have a special and close relationship later with your boat and you will love that white princess sooo much when its ready to sail again.

IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO FIX IT UP, YOU CAN AFFORD ONE ALREADY FIXED UP. Believe me, it would be cheaper

@dr32803

4 жыл бұрын

With less headaches and frustration.

@rbodell

4 жыл бұрын

@@dr32803 I see you have been that rout

@dr32803

4 жыл бұрын

rbodell I haven’t. I’ve seen my brother in law try to rebuild one. He spent way too much $$ and took all his time including my time helping to do it. Boats aren’t like houses to rebuild. It’s easy to factor how much $ you’re really going to spend based on all that’s wrong and missing. There’s an old boat owners saying, “ the happiest days of boat ownership are the day you buy the boat and the day you sell it.

So just bought a 37 Irwin. The layout of this boat versus my boat looks the same. In the floor of the saloon is where the fuel tank, water, and holding tanks go. In the galley area is where the engine is located. That way its above the water line.

I think you should check out some boat storage places. I have a friend owns a lot and would give you the boat, rather than pay for it. The storage owner ends up with a collection of boats under renovation. In the end , people run out of steam and quit paying for the storage.

If you paid me $25,000 to take the boat I would still say NO.

@wildkatsailing

5 жыл бұрын

because your lazy with no imagination

@sandyt4343

5 жыл бұрын

wildkatsailing are you serious?. Have you ever taken on a project even close to this? All the imagination and energy in the world wouldn’t make this a good boat to own. And that’s a question I really don’t have to ask because I know the true answer.

@bensouthwell1339

5 жыл бұрын

5 Grand with mast and I may give it thought as a long term project with the view of selling it on.....otherwise keep searching its out there somewhere.

@stevanp7021

3 жыл бұрын

@JB GTO at 68 I've built more than you have had in hot dinners in a year

@chitownmytownofficialonean6067

3 жыл бұрын

@Never Gonnatell It's gutted and rotting 25 grand is out the window

The original white elephant...not cost effective to rebuild. I've rebuilt a 30, 32, and scraped a 26, 29, and a 45. This one has been stripped, nothing left of value (maybe the trailer and some lead). Still they should (and would) pay you to take it. Start smaller. As I found with the 45, can you afford the slip fees, insurance, etc on such a vessel. Start smaller. BTW, love were you are in life, I can almost remember being the myself.

It needs a little work but you can make it your own! Go for it.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and the feedback! We ended up walking away.

The nice thing about where you're at I'm here as well this is where Irwin was built so all of the Carpenters and the people that put that boat together originally are here in St Pete just a little FYI in fact I have met Ted Irwin jr. Here in Madeira Beach.

At the rate you're progressing on Somnium you'd have this one ready by time you retire. How much per month just to park it on the hard?

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Lol you're probably right! Depends on the yard. I've seen 5 dollars a foot at some more affordable yards.

@coachjm310

6 жыл бұрын

hahahahahahahahahahhaha

Pick a figure and double it - Everything has potential, even a bare hull. The Wrecking yard has been given this boat, stipped it of all the valuables then want 25K for the wreck. Mast Boob, Sails, fittings $50k, Engine, Genset, batteries, chargers, wiring $25k. Instruments, pumps, wheel, kitchen, stove, bedding, through hulls, plumbing, other steering stuff $35k transport 3 years in a slip or hard stand $50k, repairs to interior $20k. not to mention your free labour. Then you have a boat that needs who know what in the way of structual work. You could buy a very decent second hand boat for $200k What about a 52 foot Amel for $129k? www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&id=3080741&lang=en&slim=broker&&hosturl=bviyachtsales&&ywo=bviyachtsales&

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

That's a very good alternative. We love Amels!

Hey guy I don’t know how long ago you filmed this video, but I like the boat, it is a be challenge to renovate it. I would like to see the restoration process and progress . To see a young couple so excited about taking on a project of this magnitude, would be worth watching. I hope you did not pay 25 k for it. Good luck.

OMG! After seeing this boat, I am going to stop sniveling about mine. Especially after one year I finally got the engine running. (Fuel contamination problems from sitting for 6 years.) Just when I thought I was done, the diesel genset and fridge/freezer took a dump. So, yes it never ends. However, If I had to bug out tomorrow, she could make it to Hawaii. Just need more solar.

That is my dream house dig a hole set the boat on a foundation and back fill in with a pond suronding it he driveway woul look like a pier

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

That's a pretty awesome idea! Lol. We walked away from this one if you still want to act on that dream.

@fthomascrowleyjr8110

5 жыл бұрын

Great plan but buy an old Ferry Boat instead!

there are 150 sailable 40 fters under 10 k online TODAY..in the water. theres a dozen 50 ftrs under 20k... on the water,,, sailable,,,, TODAY

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

I believe it. I think that's why if we do go this route we'll lowball the price of 25k significantly. If they don't like it, it'll sit for a year and then maybe they'll like my offer after a year of sitting. Only thing is, it IS a salvage yard so they may see more value in parting it out if they don't get the 25k.

@chriscorum7266

6 жыл бұрын

There’s nothing left to part out

@mattf49006

6 жыл бұрын

+Learning The Lines ....it's pretty much parted out

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

@Chris Corum and @Matt Foster you both are correct. I was tired when I wrote that comment, lol. Only thing I can think of now would be the lead in the keel really.

@danbest3401

6 жыл бұрын

Don't even give them a lowball offer. This is a classic case of a boat with a huge negative value. I'd hate to see you loose your nest egg and dream with a nightmare like this.

I’ve spent many days & nights aboard an Irwin 52 in the Pacific NW. A friend of mine was the owner, and kept it professionally maintained, and put a lot of money into upgrading it. The boat sold in perfect, turn-key condition for $125k. You would spend far more than that to bring this project into even livable condition, let alone operable. And you would never recover your investment. While it is a roomy, fast vessel, and a fairly “dry” sailer in light seas, the owner (nor I) believed it to be sturdy enough for off-shore cruising. He had had a lot of interior remodeling done, with a washer/dryer installed below the cabinet where the cabin entry companionway is, and even have a Presto log burning fireplace installed in the main salon corner. He had the factory built-in furniture in the salon removed & replaced with roomy banquettes that accommodated many people for below deck social gatherings. So as a live aboard that doesn’t go off-shore, and Irwin 52 makes a nice home. But one in this condition would soon become an albatross around your necks that you would soon regret, and might even sour you on living about a sailboat. Write me if you would like more details... I’d be happy to amplify my comments.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and the feedback! We ended up walking away.

Yes this is the one!😍

Looks cool but major bucks

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

For sure, but the upside would be when it's done being refit it would basically be a new boat...

Be advised the Irwin 52 is not a true blue water boat. It's fine for some offshore cruising, but if you truly plan to sail the world you should choose another boat. There are a couple of blue water boat lists on the web; check them out, I don't think the Irwin 52 is on any of them. Enjoyed the video, though...I've been to Don's in St. Pete, lots of good stuff there for cheap.

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the input! Do you know why the Irwin 52 is not considered a true blue water boat? We've heard that a few times now, but with no explanation. I was shocked how much Don's had available. It seemed like it was never ending. Lol. -Randi

@kenmorgan9528

6 жыл бұрын

My understanding of what makes a sailboat capable of safely crossing oceans relates to design, construction, and historical performance. Just because a boat is large, comfortable and has adequate tankage does not mean it's suitable for trans-oceanic travel. It should also be comfortable in a seaway (so as not to excessively fatigue captain and crew), and have a robust hull and rig construction. Preference should be given to designs that are known to have crossed oceans or circumnavigated. I have been told by a sailor (who circumnavigated twice in the 1980s) that if you settle for anything less, you should be a very good sailor or a very lucky one. Ask yourself this question; how many Irwin 52s are sitting in foreign ports right now? My guess is they are vastly outnumbered by Hallberg-Rassys, Swans, Westsails, and the like. Not saying it can't be done; just saying there's a reason that certain makes and models of sailboat tend to dominate the blue water cruising scene....research before deciding since your safety may depend on it. Ken in St. Pete

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the advice! We will continue researching to find a vessel we trust before circumnavigating. -Randi

@JohnJohnssonCom

6 жыл бұрын

Ken Morgan how about ELAN 514?

If I were to approach a project like that, I would blanket the whole deck with solar panels, simultaneously reinforcing the rotted areas, and put 3 of the biggest electric motor you can salvage in the engine compartment. Mount a wind mill on the mast part. You can take advantage of every thing that is gone and missing, as saving you the time from removing it. If there is a mast but missing the costly sail, sell it or make a lower offer without it. Also have mounts to flank it with troll motors at the 4 corners to start off with. That gives you plenty of mobility, even if its slow. Find some arduino or tablet apps to run everything. Don't try to "restore it" to original.

Ohh, this is exciting..

$25k...Is that what he pays you to take that reef in the making off of his property after its been stripped of anything of value? Don't even think twice about it. Don't waste your $$ on a survey, there is nothing left to look at. You know in your hearts that its not the right deal. Keep moving, nothing to see here!

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Haha good advice! I wish he'd give me 25K to take it though!

@timk4944

6 жыл бұрын

I just found your channel and subscribed. I went back and watched your first video and I like your style and will most likely binge watch to catch up. Cheers!

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Great to hear! Thanks!

@bobbysolo5411

6 жыл бұрын

The part that hurts most is the disregard for the boat after it was parked there. Leaving hatches open and stripping all the valuables, and THEN selling, is decidedly American. It's much like the folks that buy property in the mountains or wooded states, log the property bare and then sell it for the price they paid or higher, sans all the timber value that likely was more than they paid for the property as well.

No, not great bones ... rotted decking, rotted bulkheads, rotted hull, no engine, no electronics, no mast, no sails, no rigging. No f'ing way. I'm scared for the two of you if you would even contemplate making such a monumental mistake ...

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

When you put it that way...Lol

@stephengilliss4790

6 жыл бұрын

agree...can't even believe you spent this much time on the video....its junk

My opinion is that a boat gives you 2 happy moments and that is when you buy it and when you sell it. Period.

Your wife has great vision, a lot of people would say “ get me out of this reck” she’s a keeper.

25 grand ahahahhaha.. this is how you buy ANY boat.. ft x $1000 minus age x 1000 = 52 ft x 1000 minus probably 1980..38 yrs = 52 -38 = 14k if its SEA WORTHY.. this is a Junker HULL on the hard..3000 tops includes all parts you can find and trailer..i can find you a 100 better for that.. that are sailable...dont be insane

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

I like the way you put it, lol. Thanks for the feedback!

@antoniavie

6 жыл бұрын

What Johnny said... walk away this dreams is a bubble... that boat will never sail again without putting at least 100K into it, not including all the man hours you will spend trying to fix it yourself. Wait for the right boat to come along and don't pressure yourselves ... Fair Winds!

@LearningtheLines

6 жыл бұрын

Under the right conditions I'd be willing to put 100k into it to make it new again, but I don't think the conditions are right.

@mumblic

6 жыл бұрын

A Person that is asking 25000 for this boat has his own corrosion problems At max 2500!

@sails3538

6 жыл бұрын

100k, OMG..... thats a light budget. I did this exact same thing on a 65 fter which is now sailing and fully functional. And I'm the cheapest person in the world. I built my first boat when I was 15yrs old.

I'm sure you'll have it in tip top shape by your 70th birthday.

@danklyf4202

5 жыл бұрын

Omg lols. I have ZERO clue about boats or anything going on in this comment section. I only came here coz i thought it'd be neat to tell my boss to go fuck himself, then empty bank account and hit the water. But from reading all this, ima just stay on land coz ima DIE if i try to do what y'all doing. Looks super fucking enticing and easy. Good thing i came here coz i don't wanna drown or get eaten by sharks. Lols. From what I've read so far, fixing these things in this shape takes FOREVER. Sooo, your comment had me laughing my ass off. Plus, where would i get weed from? I'm pretty sure weed doesn't grow in the ocean, so I'd HAVE to be sober, and that sounds fucking awful. 😂. Ill just chill right here and watch this shit from afar. Too bad though, it looks like a super fun life. They don't have to clock in everyday. No worry about job loss, school shootings, taxes, big brother, cartels, pedophiles, traffic, shitty neighbors, gas hikes, chem trails, "illegals", crappy in-laws, crappy weed brownies, 5g cell tower death rays, truestory, "protests", shady mysterious "wildfires" that burn and vaporize steel, brick chimneys, laser cut precision homes in HALF, but NOT burn the bushes and trees and roses 2 feet away, another true story. re-runs, Kanye, North Korea, 600 foot FIRE tornadoes with blue laser beams inside, another true story that's part of those mysterious "wildfires" in Cali and Italy and Australia. tweekers, pigeons, wobbly shopping carts, weird ass dry humper Biden, long talkers, "vaccines", fake food, fake news, Facebook, drunk drivers🖕💀🖕( i miss my friend Ray😢)...one sec, gotta compose myself.... Monsanto, speed bumps, bird flu, kids, crooked politicians, car alarms, gluten, close talkers, receipt checks at Wal-Mart, other humans, terrorists, and finally... trumps hair looking like that yellow caterpillar.

@twocentproductions5326

5 жыл бұрын

Zig says, he agrees!!

@bensouthwell1339

5 жыл бұрын

you mean 80

@dougscott8161

4 жыл бұрын

@@bensouthwell1339 Try 90.

No matter how romantic it seems, it is the siren on the rocks beckoning the starry eyed, to certain death!

Great stuff thank u for sharing wow like a dream come tru culd liv inthat scrap yard pleas