I’m in my early 20s and finally getting into big game hunting. I picked up a Weatherby Vangaurd in 300 win mag and a lot of my decisions and recent knowledge have come from things I’ve learned watching this channel. Thanks Ron!

@freeradical431

2 жыл бұрын

Congrats! You actually have a rebadged Howa 1500! Probably the best budget bolt action there is! I have a Mueller 8-32 target master, 20 moa one piece scope base, a knox axiom stock- suspension locked up-, and a howitzer style muzzle break on mine. I can run 60rds through it, no shoulder pain what so ever.

@jmgates09

2 жыл бұрын

Should of got the 300 Weatherby if it's just for big game but if target or long range shooting u made the right decision 300 wm bullets ain't cheap but they not Weatherby high

@thenamelessyee

2 жыл бұрын

Yea man. I'm in the same boat just getting started big game hunting. But got a 7 mag. I try to learn something every time I go out

@wesleyturner1979

2 жыл бұрын

Good pick for both!

@MrJonrocker

2 жыл бұрын

The Weatherby Vanguard Howa 1500, great rifle/s. I bought a .308 Howa for my son and .243 Howa for my daughter. Both are very accurate.

Thanks Ron for all you do! I hunt with both the 300 win Mag and the 300 WSM. Both have performed well with loads that I have worked up. Nearing 60 years of age I wish I could hunt for another 60!

@steffensamlal1854

2 жыл бұрын

I wish you could to, enjoy every day.

I went with the 300 wsm when deciding between the 2. Can't go wrong with either one. It and the 30/06 are my go to rifle calibers for big game.

@TexanUSMC8089

2 жыл бұрын

They're the same caliber.

@matthewbooth9869

2 жыл бұрын

@@TexanUSMC8089 yeah .308, one just has a little more gas. ⛽

Guys I have both , never had a feeding with the 300wsm. I have been running it for years and love it so much , I gave my custom Remington in 300WM to my son.

The WSM is said to burn its powder faster in a shorter barrel,where as the older long column of powder require a longer barrel to produce best velocities.

@davidwatkins767

Жыл бұрын

A short mag uses a more explosive powder where the standard 300 uses a slower burning power. Why shortmags tend to have more recoil.

@northtoalaska8058

2 ай бұрын

@@davidwatkins767 Not true. It has to do with a wider diameter allowing for faster burn plus the angle of the shoulder. The WSM typically has a lower recoil than the WM.

@davidwatkins767

2 ай бұрын

@northtoalaska8058 not a thing you said is accurate. i own both short mag is way worse, and it does indeed use a faster burning powder.

I now hunt with a 243 more than any other caliber and it's probably my favorite caliber. That being said, I did at one time own a 300 win mag and had a 200 acre hunting club in Alabama. I had deer, 3 bucks and unlimited does each year, hogs, you name it. I have to say that there was never a tracking job with that cartridge. It was exciting knowing that if I could get my cross hair on an animal, it was game over lol. I would walk straight to it. I really have no idea why I haven't bought another one. Especially since I'm blessed to hunt behind my house now. You know what? I believe I will. 😏👍

It always baffles me that so many cartridges have been developed and marketed and continue to be produced. The 300 WSM/RSAUM/RCM/Win. Mag./PRC/Wby. Mag all existing at the same time is amazing. I just can’t see that there is enough difference between them to justify it but it is fun to have options

@valkyries-mi2sx

2 жыл бұрын

Thats true even the newer bigger 30s only are a little faster because of bigger free bore. Its all the same.

@gravedigger9313

2 жыл бұрын

You live in a capitalist country?

@ratherbefishing4225

2 жыл бұрын

@@gravedigger9313 Canada, not sure what to call it right now

@mattandrews8528

Жыл бұрын

Now Weatherby AND Nosler have their own cartridges, the .300 Win Mag’s ammo cost and availability are HUGE factor. And it’s the reason I’ll always choose it as THE magnum .30 cartridge. It’s the clear winner when taking the actual ammo in to consideration. Affording and finding it matters a whole lot, sure there’s bandleaders who don’t care. But the majority of hunters buy their ammo, with that being said it makes the .300 Win Mag the superior choice.

@MariposaEdits

Жыл бұрын

Its similar to the archery market. They are all similar. Sometimes its just the brand you love..

I've been using the 300WSM almost exclusively since 2006. A 300WSM throwing a 180 Accubond has knocked down a lot of critters.

@benjaminpitre5353

2 жыл бұрын

Samezees ..... My go too caliber for sure last week me and a friend brought a 180 out to 1200 meters

@IceColdMilk69

2 жыл бұрын

What’s the biggest you’ve taken with the accubond and how did it preform?

@seriousfaith

2 жыл бұрын

@@IceColdMilk69 I've shot 4 moose with it- recovered 1 bullet on the offside hide. Everything else exited. I've shot 2 fairly large black bears and a lot of caribou.

@Cool-hand-hunting

2 жыл бұрын

@@IceColdMilk69 I’m not running a 300WSM but a 30-06 and my 165 gr Accubonds have taken 5 elk, 1 black bear, 6 whitetail, and 2 mule deer. A 180 going a bit faster will only be better than my 30-06.

@jakecrane3690

2 жыл бұрын

What rifle you have it in

You also can typically have a shorter barrel length with the WSM compared to the old win mag, since the WSM burns powder more evenly and effeciently

@joebarrett5310

2 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed. Looking at Winchesters offerings in model 70 for these chamberings, the old Win Mag comes with 2" more barrel length than the WSM in the same model. So there is actually a point the WSM has over the old mag if the buyer is looking for a bit lighter weight rifle

@falba1492

2 жыл бұрын

As I understand it, the WSM must have a minimum of a 24 inch barrel, in order to achieve the same velocities as the WinMag. I remember reading that in the literature when the 300 WSM first came out.

I get 3008 fps from a 180 grain Trophy Bonded Tipped over H4350 from a 22 3/4" barreled 300 wsm. It's a lightweight, fairly compact rifle....a real pleasure to carry and shoots sub moa.

@jcarry5214

2 жыл бұрын

Holy moly. What action/ overall length? Brass life alright? I know that’s not the priority if hunting.

@wesleyturner1979

2 жыл бұрын

Try RE17 for shits and giggles … way more speed than 4350

@jcarry5214

2 жыл бұрын

@@wesleyturner1979 I found it to be dirty and inaccurate. I do want to try 16 though.

@wesleyturner1979

2 жыл бұрын

@@jcarry5214 I get crazy speed with it. I have some H4350 but never tried working up good loads due to the slow speeds. Accuracy with my re17 is about 1” but I’ve had loads that are under 1” with it. Maybe I’ll give the 4350 another go.

@AndyAlaska375

2 жыл бұрын

@@wesleyturner1979 -I did try RL17...nearly 3100 fps before pressure signs appeared...however poor accuracy in my particular rifle (rem 700 ss). RL19 also gave good velocity/accuracy.

I absolutely love the 300wsm. The big difference I see is ammo availability. Where many shops routinely stock the 300 win mag the wsm is typically more challenging to find. As for the other wsm cartridges, the 325wsm is another I have come to enjoy but ammo is all but impossible to find and when you do find some it's expensive

@topout26

2 жыл бұрын

I stocked up last season on ammo when I found some it was a grind but deals can be found. Don’t give up.

@rockstar49858

2 жыл бұрын

I stumbled upon five boxes of 165 grain Federal fusion 300 WSM last summer. I bought them all!

The key factor in the decision to choose a 300WSM vs a 300WM should be ammo source. If you are a reloader and you like a short action go with 300WSM, if you depend on factory ammo go with 300WM. Also, if you wish to run very heavy bullets like 200gr+ go with the 300WM. Many 300WSM’s are chambered with 1:11 twist (Sako & Tikka) while most 300WM’s are chambered with 1:10 twist… which is part of the reason why 300WM accommodates the longer heavier bullets better.

@tiputipu777

Жыл бұрын

sako/tikka still chamber wm with 11 twist, even on the trgs.

Great Video with some good information.... I picked up a winchester model 70 in the 300 wsm. With the 24 inch barrel. I'm shooting a 150 grain bullet. Very happy with the Gun and caliber... Thanks

Great video also if you drop to a 165 grain bullet the wsm actually out performs the 300 win mag

Ron, I’m glad you mentioned the 300 PRC. It’s funny how we’ve made a full circle back to the magnum action of the 300 H&H. Because I reload, I love the efficiency (which I define as ft/sec per grain of powder) of the 300 H&H and 300 WSM. The 300 Win Mag is my least favorite of the 300 magnums, but it’s still a classic.

@billmclean6550

Жыл бұрын

i usely hit what i aim for under 120 m. 300 h&h the action do not need a second shoot,do no not what the fuss is about,if you want a second shoot buy a good under&over they are good fun in 308

It comes down to picking the correct burn rate to tailor for your case dimensions and your barrel length. The longer magnums will make more velocity (more powder does equal more speed) but you need more barrel length than most hunters want to carry to take advantage of it.

Great review Ron, thanks so much!

300WSM is by far my favourite caliber. It is extremely versatile. You can get it to provide near belted magnum velocity with less recoil than you might think... I load 168gr Barnes TTSX bullets to 3000fps muzzle velocity with a very modest charge of H4350. That is 126fps below published maximum. By going with a lighter bullet and keeping the velocity well below maximum in a short action rifle you get the sensation that you are shooting a 30/06 or even a .308 not a magnum because the recoil is rather tame. In a quality rifle this cartridge is also very accurate and not too picky with charge weights and powder choice. with this 300WSM load energy doesn't drop below 1500ft-lb until 550yds. vs 450yds for a 30/06 and 350yds for a .308. pushing the same bullet. I have shot 30/06 loads that kick like a mule compared to my 300WSM. Give it a try... 300WSM is all you will ever need for North American game.

@murimurimrui

2 жыл бұрын

Tbh, same. I never noticed the recoil until I'm bench shooting with it. But when I'm out and about hunting with it (i.e. shooting free hand, branch, trigger stick), there is no recoil noticeable. Though, having 3 layers of clothing will help, along with a cheek rest on the stock of the rifle.

@cowboywoodard2569

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, on all you wrote, you Saved me the time to comply.

@69yenko65

2 жыл бұрын

Ya man! I have a tikka t3x stainless in 300 wsm. Very accurate but it kicked pretty good so I got my gunsmith to put his custom brake on it and now it feels less than a 30-06 with a limbsaver pad

@trevorkolmatycki4042

2 жыл бұрын

@@69yenko65 Great idea!... I recently put many rounds down mine practicing long range shooting and yes... it sure boots more than my 308 with a brake... I can handle recoil and make the practice hits on targets out to 600m but... the follow through and spotting hits is nearly impossible. Im gonna do the same as you and put a brake on it... not for the first shot... but for the follow through! Being able to keep your eyes on the prey after taking the shot is pretty important for maximizing your chances for successful recovery!

@trevorkolmatycki4042

2 жыл бұрын

@@briant7652 I have not had any chambering or headspace issues whatsoever. I use RCBS full length sizing die and im getting .003 shoulder bump. The rifle is a Sako A7.

That was a very good and objective comparison, thanks Ron! Enjoyed it.

Thankyou Ron

I have a 300 WSM and love it ! Ballistic twin to the 300 WinMag just like Ron said. I have the 325 WSM also and not sure why it didn't catch on since it is a in a sense a 8mm Mauser short.

Thank you for solid advice, looking at a 300 WM atm.

Ron I have both and in the field there is no difference. The main difference is what you mentioned in the rifle. I have an A Bolt 11 Stainless Stalker in 300WSM. It's a shorter and lighter rifle with a 23" barrel. I have a Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather in 300 Win Mag which has a 26" barrel. Both handle very differently and the A Bolt 11 is the lighter rifle. Both are great and nearly every rifle manufacturer puts out the 300WSM. In a bolt action it's just different strokes with these two equally great calibres (pardon the pun). Thanks for sharing!

Thank you Ron.

Another great video Ron- thanks again

I've been waiting for this video. THANKS Ron.

Ron, you’re a good guy. I appreciate you and your videos. Thank you very much for everything you do for the firearm/hunting community.

by far one of my favourite channels

Another great video Mr. Spomer, thank you. Another thing about the WSM that pertains to we reloaders is that steep shoulder. Make sure and use enough case lube when resizing as that steep shoulder can be pushed back a bit easier than some others if you're a little short on case lube. But then the classic belted mag brings its own little set of idiosyncrasies to the reloading bench as well. Thanks Ron and good luck in the upcoming season!

"Yes"!! I do love my 300 wsm! It's a preference for each! Thank you sir, for all your knowledge which you share with us!

My preference is for a short action. So 300 WSM would be my choice. Both are very capable cartridges.

👍🇺🇸 I just built a 300 WSM in LR308 platform with a 26.5" barrel. Magnum gas and adjustable gas block. The 300WSM with a few fluted inches makes a difference. And I use a 308 magazine. 👍💪😉

Ron I really enjoy watching your videos . Your the knowledge really shows.

Thanks Ron! Just asked for this video last week!

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Perfect!

Thank you Ron I always enjoy your videos

I chose the 300 WSM, because supposedly, it would be kinder on my surgically repaired shoulder, as far as recoil goes. Still havent fired it yet, so that remains to be seen. Cant wait to send some rounds down range though!

THANKYOU MR. SPOMER

Yes they are pretty evenly matched. The short magnum is a bit more fuel efficient. I am very happy with my old .300 Win. Mag. I have been using it for a long time.

Wowwwww... Nice job, Sir!

Hey Ron I been watching for a while now and I can’t believe the wealth of knowledge on this channel!! This is my favorite channel on KZread and when I get on and see you have posted a new video I actually get excited to set down and watch it. Great content love the channel thanks for doing what you do

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Terry. Glad you're enjoying.

@gbp3616

2 жыл бұрын

Just subscribed and glad I found the channel!

Great info. Thanks

Thank you for sharing

Great video and graphics

I have the 300wsm from the Remington 700 platform. It's a fantastic gun. I'm not the tallest guy in the world so the short action does me well. The gun is accurate and VERY powerful. Throwing an 180gr bullet at almost 3000fps is insane.

@robertfandel9442

25 күн бұрын

Not a short action model 7 is.

Excellent review as always you are great.

Thank you, you're videos continue to please, educate & provoke thought. I've used my .338 for decades - walrus, Brown bear, Grizzly, deer, caribou, etc. Also hunt in Europe, but decide not to travel with the .338 there. In Europe, I've used .300 Win mag & .300 RUM rifles on a variety of creatures. The two .300's worked very well. BTY, I really enjoyed the way the .300 RUM performed. It got my attention! However, as much as I enjoyed those calibers in my European hunts, I'm still stuck on my .338 Win mag. Of course, I'm used to it (comfort level), and I find no need to replace it. You do so well detailing caliber differences. Thank you. And, please keep it up the good work. But, we study, we shoot & we clobber creatures. And we find that small, subtle differences don't really count in order to reduce a creature to ambient temperature.

Great content as always! We love ya, keep up the good work.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Will do!

Thank you for your unbiased knowledge

I bought the .270 wsm back in 2001 and I love it except for the cost of ammo but I hand load for mine and the brass is getting pretty hard to find. Still great cartridges in my opinion

Fan of the 300 WSM in Win 70. Thanks Ron.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

As a gunsmith and hunting guide/long range shooter and reloader I’ll say “Yes” Both are amazing! But the 300 mag wins. The wsm case expands sometimes to the point where the bolt gets stuck closed! We’ve had to use a rubber mallet many many times on the workbench. 300 WM I can’t remember ever having to do that.

I wanted to say thanks much. I have always considered these two as half a dozen of one, 6 of the other. Even one thing you didn't talk about was weapon weight isn't that much. I personally use the 300 WM on Elk and other large game in the same class.

All I can really say, these two cartridges are so alike ballistically. The only differences are case length and diameter, and magazine capacity. You could get a slightly shorter rifle with the WSM, but not my much. If there is any real advantage, long heavier bullets won't impede on the available powder space as much on the 300 Win Mag as opposed to the WSM.

You should do a video on the Remington ultra mags!

@darrengarcia4937

2 жыл бұрын

Yes he should i want to get one and i need to validate the urge

@AndyAlaska375

2 жыл бұрын

@@darrengarcia4937 You should probabaly buy at least one. Lol. I own a 300 rum and a 338 rum.

@darrengarcia4937

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyAlaska375 yup im looking at a Fierce Rival Carbon in 300RUM.

@falba1492

2 жыл бұрын

@@darrengarcia4937 - I would not recommend a 300 RUM with a carbon barrel. You can easily experience over 40 ft/lbs of recoil energy with such a light rifle. With that amount of muzzle blast and recoil, I would just step up to a 338 WinMag.

You rule, Ron. Your videos are legit.

Feeding issues... yes I had this when hunting. When cycling in a hurry that second cartridge doesn't slide effortlessly into the chamber. For my gun, it is best to keep calm and cycle without haste. My receiver is M700 from Christensen Arms Classic. Great shooter by the way! It loves the Accubond LR 190g.

Fantastic video Ron. 👍👍

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

Nice one Ron, I love my 270wsm, nice smooth round that won’t beat me up, good enough for big game to 400 for me.

@russvaagen3004

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve got a 270WSM in the Remington 700 and I’ve started to do my best to improve it. I’ve bought a new carbon barrel and a new stock. I’ve always loved the way it shoots and I’m hoping to make it just that much better.

@gc641

2 жыл бұрын

@@russvaagen3004 sounds like a great build, make some some nice hand loads for it and it will shoot the lights out 👍

@phild9813

2 жыл бұрын

I run a 270wsm also. Like the extra velocity over the regular 270 for use with monolithic bullets on big game. Recoil seems on par with a 30-06 more so than a true magnum, which I like. I’ve never shot an animal beyond about 325 yards.

@gc641

2 жыл бұрын

@@phild9813 love mono bullets, I swear by them, I find them to be great within sensible hunting distance👍🤙

@russvaagen3004

2 жыл бұрын

@@phild9813 I find that the recoil is solid, but less sharp than my S&W 1500 (Howa 1500) 30/06. Which probably means the velocity of the recoil is a bit less. It’s a pleasure to shoot. My 325 WSM on the other hand is great, but after a 5 shot group you know you’ve done something.

Have a M70 Extreme Weather in 300WSM. Was the short action for me; great rifle. Thanks for the vid!

Love your videos Ron Please keep up the good work. I recently bought a M 70 Winchester chambered in 300 WSM and it is quickly becoming my favorite big game cartridge. Lots of power, flat shooting, and accurate and with felt recoil less than many 06's I've shot. This round should be enough for big game everywhere with a good bullet in the right hands. I sure hope it sticks around.

I've been waiting years for your take on this.

This is really a very informative piece Ron. Thank you. I guess, for me I like the idea of getting rid of that problematic belt. The darn thing is so prone to case head separation that it's just not something I want to deal with. It was needed at the time the cartridge debuted but chamber design has changed for the better. I still like it but I like the WSM a lot more.

Thank you Ron for doing a review on 300 WSM. Not a whole lot of info on the cartridge and I appreciate your input on it.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Another great video Ron. One thing I think you didn't mention. The short actions are supposed "stiffer" than the long actions and flex less during discharge making them more accurate. Maybe that matters on a bench but I can't see it making any significant difference for hunting. Your point was well made that for practical hunting these calibers are identical. Please keep your videos coming.

love your vids

Great review. the way reviews should be done (apples to apples)

Right on

Price of ammunition weight and brass availability makes a large difference too! Great video very informative! I always dinged WSM because I thought it was weaker than the WM and the PRC (precision rifle cartridge) is great for long range competition shooting!

Great video as always Ron. You could never go wrong with either cartridge. 300 WSM set a new 1000 yard world record recently. 10 shot 10x group measuring 2.64” . The topic of frontal ignition always gets my mind thinking until I remember the pain it would be to remove primers . I’m a huge fan of the WSM family of cartridges, the world needs for the 6.5 WSM to be commercialized and the 25 WSSM to be done rite as the 25 WSM .

@twolak1972

2 жыл бұрын

The 25WSM is a mirror of the older tried and true 25/06 Remington. It has no ballistic advantage over the older longer cases 25 .Buying one is just for bragging but theres nothing to brag about. 257 WEATHERBY AND 25/06 REM ARE STILL ON TOP.

good to hear you believe its going to be here for a long time. i was scared of that i love my 300wsm

the biggest difference is when you get up in bullet size. the larger bullets may shoot better in the 300 win mag because there is more room for powder when seating the bullet. you can work arround that sometimes with the WSM but your ammo may not fit in the mag anymore.

OK now I'm ready for the comparison between the 300 WSM vs 300 PRC. 🤔 So many choices! Thanks Ron 👍 Love your channel ❤️

@trg3761

2 жыл бұрын

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@skippylippy547

2 жыл бұрын

@@trg3761 Thank you! 👍

Great Info Ron Thank You Love The Videos 😀😇😀👍🏼

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them! Thanks.

It's not that the primer is "closer to the center of the column", in fact, the primer of the longer case covers more center area of the case head. The efficiency of the WSM lies in a wider powder column where more powder burns sooner and more uniformly. A "24 barrel ensures all the powder is completely burned, albeit with less powder in the case. Love my Tikka T3 300 WSM. Great show Ron!

@zachmckean5636

Жыл бұрын

An absolute gem of a rifle. Matched with Winchester ballistic silver tip perfect combo

Can’t wait to see you evaluate the 300 Ruger WC and PRC 300.

I’ve been sold on the 300WSM for over 15 years now. I just started LR shooting and bought a Savage 110 Elite Precision in 308Win. It never had the 1st 308Win round through it before being rechambered for 300WSM... With my current reloads, it’s shooting “bugholes” at 200yds while I’m working up loads for 1500 (and longer) yards...!!!

Good info. I think I am going WSM for that shorter action. Thanks. Can't find 300PRC ammo if I wanted too, but it was an option.

I know my Dad ended up going with the regular 300 win due to pricing and availability on WSM brass and factory ammo.

@wesleyturner1979

2 жыл бұрын

Buying 300 wsm brass is nuts. When I first got mine I got a bunch of Federal and saved the brass

@Irishjay1025

2 жыл бұрын

Where are you shopping that WN is available? I haven't found factory loads in over a year other than corelokt 300 wsm ammo is everywhere and factory ammo is the same price or cheaper than WM.

Love my 300wsm. Went with it after using an 06 for years. No problem one shotting moose and elk out to 500. Got a spike bull moose last week one shot at 375. It has the oomfe to drop then cold.

@kalebgoodwin493

Жыл бұрын

Recoil difference between 06 and wsm?

My grandfather shot animals all over the world with a 300 win MAG, but the short mag performance is just as good in many cases awesome video!!

300 WSM is a TAD slower, but more inherently accurate. The 300 wsm can also be used on an ar10 lower. KAK industries sells a 300 WSM upper for about a thousand bucks. Expensive, but worth it. I built an ar10 upper in 300 WSM for a tad less and I love it.

I miss my 300 H&H. It's definitely longer than the short mags, but in my pre 64 model 70, with a tapered cartridge & controlled round feed, i could chamber another round smoothly, & without risk of my round bouncing or falling out of the action while moving or chambering in awkward positions.

I still hunt with a 300 H&H. Love it

Best cartridge reviews, by far. 17 Remington review please.

For most hunters, ammo availability and cost will make the biggest difference in choosing. LR handloading is a hobby all its own.

Awesome review!! I’m thinking about a 300 for 300 yd +. Leaning towards WSM!!

I already owned my Browning BPR in 300WM when the 300SWM came out. Plus the fact the earlier ones were made in Belgium just put me to far in to make a change.....🤠 I the words of another famous Utuber.... Is it enough of a difference to make a difference? You be the judge. Nice piece Ron....🤠

I shot my 300 WSM for the first time a few weeks ago. Other than getting a little shiner and a swollen eyebrow, I'm liking it.

Great video. I shoot a 7 mm WSM, Model 70, good shooter. You mention feeding problems I may have a unicorn I’ve never had any issues. I believe I’ve had mine probably 15 years.? Yeah, I hand load for mune

I think cartridge choice here for non-reloaders is heavily dependent on available commercial loadings and projected market longevity. If the round is currently a hot ticket but only a flash in the pan over the long run, the non-reloader is going to be stuck with a rifle that has limited ammo availability and variety, greatly limiting what they can do with such versatile rifles.

All i can say is up here in canada is if you relaod or not you will always find brass and shells for the 300win anywhere you go. With wsm its really hit or miss

Good comparison been shooting my 06 for 20 years but did pick up a 300WSM 4 years ago. Have to say from a reloading point of view pretty close. Have killed deer and elk with both calibers and results were meat in the freezer!

Less weight of the rifle/ short action is the biggest difference. Love both of them.

The wind deflection at 300 is reversed, though it's irrelevant to practical hunting. And the real difference in newer cartridges is not the cartridge, it's the higher twist rate built into newer rifles. Much ado about not so much at the end of the day.

@davehedge5044

2 жыл бұрын

I agree - it makes no sense that the slower bullet (from the WSM) would have less wind deflection since it takes longer to get to 300 yards than than Win Mag and therefore the wind has more time to act on it.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Right, Todd. I transposed those two numbers. But, as you note, 0.2" is pffft!

@24kachina

2 жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors No worries - dancing on the head of a pin! Great video and thanks for all your great work.

When comparing the long actions to short actions everyone mentions the shorter bolt throw. I’ve never considered that quicker bolt throw important at most ranges that we use a bolt gun. The main reason I like a short action is when mounting my scopes I have quite a bit more room within my rings for eye relief. Rarely does that get mentioned.

@georgewhitworth9742

2 жыл бұрын

That makes a lot more sense. Now I see one reason some people like the shorter stuff.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Good point, but the rings issue can usually be addressed with extended rings (rarely needed on standard length actions, but often on true magnums) or different scope lengths. Of course, if you have/love a short scope and insist on it, a short-action should more easily accommodate.

If you have to have a short-action rifle, the 300 wsm is the way to go. That's it.

If they are using identical bullets and the WSM is slightly slower it is impossible for the wind drift to be less for the WSM. I suspect they were accidently switched. If this has already been called out I apologize. Other than that I love this channel, keep up the good work.

Have had many necks break on the 300wsm after first reload. Have many 300 wm with no case problems. Shooting 180g Nosler partitions . 73 grains of 4350 in both

16" 6ARC Gas Gun , 20" 308 and 22" 300WSM are my 3 favorites for hunting medium to large game. Nosler Partition and Edge TLR are my go too ammo

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@@cornpopishuntersrealdaddy4690 I dont personally hand load . That being said my father in law hand loads a lot . I had him work up Nosler 100g Partition . I'll pick up some of the Ballistic Tips and try it out for sure. Thanks

The 300 WSM by being a shorter case also has a little more barrel to get the pressure up as well as that shorter burn column. I am sure the shoulder has a better seal when fired as well. A few little things all at once make it a more efficient case.