123 is the king of diesel Mercedes

@atos.nympha3451

4 жыл бұрын

No way

@Miggys.Garage

3 ай бұрын

@@atos.nympha3451who is king?

Recently purchased a 1993 300d. Could not be happier with it!

I still drive my 1993 400E around Florida and Maine...now at 237500 miles!!! just did a bunch of maintenance on it...front brake pads, brake master cylinder, Driveshaft flexdisc, front tie rods..LOL......drives like a champ!!

Excellent work, thank you for sharing these wonderful advices. Keep up the good work, sir.

I can’t think of a better way to burn up a weekend than pulling the dash on a 123 for AC & heater repairs. I find it “relaxing.”

@azmike3572

4 жыл бұрын

Chuck, there are many 123 owners who would love to keep you "relaxing" by bring their heater & A/C repair-needed cars to you!

I appreciated the video..I live with a w124 e420 ‘95 and all that you say is true. As a hobby car and DIYer, these cars can last a very long time. They are fun to drive, a bit thirsty, but do get the looks and occasionally a positive comment. Very rewarding …034 1995 MB

Pierre, I recently picked up a 1988 260e out of Philly. Im the 3rd owner after 2 previous elderly owners. 74,000 miles on the car and it gets better running every day so far. The 2.6 is a really fun engine and packs a real punch, which surprised me. Also the w124, compared to most modern cars is a pretty small car, that is a surprise when I park next to a Focus or an Altima etc.. People, dont look over the 2.6, they are cheaper than the 3ltr, but just as fun. I know because I also own a 300te

Another great video! Thank you

Thanks for the 124 video. Figured out my no stop problem. Vac line from vac pump to booster. New one fixed it. What usually causes inop tach. Its my only problem left now besides dash dimmer. Thanks again. Your a big help.

My rare Euro C124 300CE-24 Sportline is the nicest road car I have ever driven. That said, the 123 is a better built car than a 124.

@carljosephdemarco3822

4 жыл бұрын

agreed! see comment above.

@atatexan

4 жыл бұрын

We had a 116 450SE owned by my dad followed by the 1977 123 300D he bought after getting so many speeding tickets in the 450! The 123 just did not handle as well as the 116. Fast-forward to 1980 and my Johannesburg BMW 528 company car. Handling was just excellent. MB caught up with the 201 and 124 and the new multi-link rear suspension. This is no knock on the 123 but they are a little soft in the French manner a la Peugeot 504 for my tastes.

I drive a 1988 300D 109ps. I love it. Bulletproof and the smoothest ride ❤

I am on my third W123 and third W124. From a safety standpoint, since all US spec W124's had drivers airbag and ABS (braking), I will take a W124 anyday over a W123. I live in a rainy climate, and I find the W123 windshield wipers a little old school compared to the W124 mono wiper. W123 requires valve adjustment. Don't think that is necessary on any W124. W123 has awesome over the shoulder rear view when driving and backing. W124 has rear headrests, but can (and did) add to W123. ALL 1992-1995 W124 have bad eco wiring.

@W124performance

4 жыл бұрын

Minor correction: AFAIK, the 1992-1993 models with M103 engine did not have the bad / eco-junk wiring. This problem affected all 124 models with HFM or LH-SFI fuel injection, but not CIS. Most of the harnesses are available new from Mercedes at tolerable prices, and the new harnesses (and ETA's) have improved insulation so they won't fail again. Many cars already have had this repair done, you can check the harness & ETA before purchase if this is a concern. For the couple of harnesses not available from MB anymore, Blue Ridge MB rebuilds them.

As much as I love my 123, there's a romance about the 124 being the twighlight of classic MBs. That's why I got one of those too. A 300CE that it is literally one of the best driving cars I've ever been in. The power steering feels like rack and pinion, the acelerator has perfect and precise response, and it hugs the road elegantly for a coupe. It has about the maximum technology I like in a car though, but no glove box or cupholders. Can't have everything.

The W123 for me was meant to outlive it's owner... for me my top 3 are the W123, the W201(pre upgrade) and then the W124..

Excellent video

I just made the likes go up to 606 :) Thanks for the info, I learned some stuff for sure!

great video, just subb'd. pierre so glad to hear that you like the '95 E300 DIESEL as i have just recently come upon & pounced, cat-like upon an E300 Diesel w/ 120k mi. from that epic mid-nineties, era/class Mercedes. i have always had a love for automobiles with soul & this one surely fits the bill. i've watched a few of your videos and am enjoying them immensely. i look forward to learning more about the 'good' years w/ the Mercedes as i am formerly, perhaps equally, a porsche, bmw, as well as a fan of the more pedestrian, VW. please, keep 'em coming! auf wiedershen meister merc

I have a love hate with a w124. I have a 300 sel and yes, I did the head gasket and guides and chain at 270k miles. But the room under the hood really makes a m103 a treat to work on. I also prefer the room of the s class, and with mine being a 5 speed manual, it's a suprising good drive and gets 28mpg highway. Now the ce coupe is a great alternative to an sec and handles better bit the interiors aren't as nice or a durable as a nice w126.

Thank you 👍.

124 all day for sure, got hooked on the 603 diesels now have a small collection of 124 sedans, love the looks

W124 STATION OM605.911N/A...for me the pick of the bunch !

I have one 124 250 D and a 123 240 D and I think the 124 is more sportier and handling is better but the Mercedes quality built DNA is present all over 123. The older cars are so much fixable and tunable than the younger ones. I prefer the 124, is my daily driver, but I think the 123 is better.

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with you about the 240d

I am surprised you’re not much of a fan of the w124 300D 2.5. I have a 91 with 170k and it still runs like a champ.

Good info. 👍

I personally liked the 124 better than the 123. Even though the 123 engines were bulletproof and their quality is amazing, stylishly they were getting long in the tooth. I remember adamantly when the 1986 300E hit the showrooms and it just looked so much more modern. I particularly liked the chiseled body lines with the aerodynamic flush headlights with wipers. My favorite would be the 1988-1989 300CE coupes. Smoke silver or petrol blue green exteriors.

@unwoke1652

Жыл бұрын

A Mercedes-Benz is a true classic and never gets long in the tooth. The owners, perhaps, not the cars. The W123 was way better engineered than the W124. Ask anyone who can work with his hands : the W124 was a cost cutting exercise from the boardroom down, and this is a proven fact, documented history.

It’s amazing the difference in price between the 1993 silver 2.8 went for compared to the black 3.0. Nearly 10k spread. Was the 3.0 really that much better on BaT?

I liked W124 than W123 as have driven both of them a lot , nice advice geven Cheers

I have never driven a W124. I thoroughly enjoy my W123 240d with the 4 speed manual. It is one of the best cars I have ever driven. I have taken it on several 7 hour trips to San Diego.

@mercedesclassicswithpierre1753

4 жыл бұрын

yes i prefer the 123 myself

Feel like the w124 is more timeless looking , a more universal, muscular appeal. the 123 has a stodgey late seventies look, which I love but it dates the car. 123 has charm but it more of a vintage car .

@w124mercedes7

2 жыл бұрын

I like the looks of the w123 grill and lights over the w124. It has that classic look and feel. But I definitely like the power of my w124 300d

124 had hydrology valve lifters which never need adjusting unlike the 123.

W123 Is the sweet spot

@addison99996

3 жыл бұрын

Just bought a 1990 300D turbo diesel.

Here in Australia i have the W124 300D N/A non turbo 1990 mdl with 141,000 klms absolute gem in pristine condition would never sell it, which i actually like more than my S500 V221 2012 mdl with 31000 klms heavily optioned, figure that one out guy's !!

722.435 Rverse... oh oh... (thought it might have just been a sloppy linkage)... E300TD... proud, happy owner of OM606.910

Hi Pierre, please do W126 (including a M103 300 SE) guide.. much appreciated..

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

Okay

Thanks for the info. I have a 95 e300d, the power steering pump bracket has cracked for the second time; do you have any idea why this might be happening ?

Loved my w123 300SD with over 380,000 miles - people asked me if it was new at times which cracked me up. Did Mercedes ever put a diesel in the w108 body style? I love the 108's and a diesel would make it a fantastic car, I have seen a few conversions using the OM617 engine.

Interesting!

Nice if you do one on the 602 motor one day,that puppy is in a few odd ball cars

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

I should do one on the entire series

I’m deciding between a one owner 1999 w210 E300td and a 1987 300D Turbo. Which is the overall better car? I live up north in Canada and although I love the w124 styling, but the better performance and tuneability of the om606 has me stuck in my decision 😕

Rear suspension stuff just never really comes up on a w123, apart from spheres. Front suspension seems the same but all the multilink and subframe rear bushings seem to go bad on the 124 and it is a huge pita to drop the subframe and redo everything. Lots of interior parts go bad on the 124, tabs break off and seat trim pieces break. The 123 seems to have more metal in the trim pieces so they hang in there better. Both models seem to fill up with water in various ways, so that's a toss up. Handling is ok on the 123 with any sort of lower profile 225 tire. But the 124 has more modern power. A 94 e420 is a great car...when it works. A w123 pretty much always just works unless the ac fuse melts the fuse box or the starter goes out. Finally, a 123 with anti lock brakes is a rare find. That is a huge safety perk for the 124 under any sort of panic braking or icing conditions. And the airbag is another win for the 124.

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

Keyword... When it works :)

W123 for the win!

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

Can't beat it

Love the 124, but probably says something that I’m prepping to sell mine. Will never sell my 115 and 123 though. My heirs will have to do that after I’m gone (not that I plan to go anywhere soon). Also letting my mbca membership expire. Tried it again for the last few years but its just not the club it was when I was younger and my parents were involved. :(

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. Thanks for this highly insightful comment

Hi Pierre, I'm currently restoring a W123 300TD wagon , to use as a daily driver...I've been working on the engine recently, hoping to get it driving soon....I've rebuilt my injectors, adjusted the valve clearance, ( they were all very tight ) , I also checked the timing chain for stretch, it was 7 degrees past TDC, it feels tight enough on the sprocket, so i'm hoping to drive it for a little while, and change it in the summer.......My question is, given what I've recently done to the car, should I check my injection pump timing, and am wondering, if you have any plans to do a video on this topic, I've been reading about the drip method, but am a little bit lost on exactly how to do it......loving you videos, and your passion for these cars, this is my first one, and I'm already hooked......Best Wishes For the New Year....Thanks...Michael

@mercedesclassicswithpierre1753

4 жыл бұрын

Hello, Michael Roche and thank YOU so much for your question(s), we want to answer you as quickly as possible. By signing in our Patreon www.patreon.com/thomaspolk page and making a donation of $10 your are assured of a 24 hour email response from Pierre. If you are already a $10 member please mention along with your question.

83 MB W123 300d turbo diesel best ever for me

I love the later w124 styling. What are your thoughts on a 1999 E300 turbodiesel w210?

@ChristopheZ

4 жыл бұрын

actually one of my friends is selling his 1999 E300 turbodiesel with about 56K miles on it....LOL ;)

@Will_14_years_ago

2 жыл бұрын

Great if you want to make a 500 hp daily

@Will_14_years_ago

2 жыл бұрын

Great if you want to make a 500 hp daily

Does the 124 D have any head gasket issues because you said the 124 TD has thanks

I would like to know 260E is a good car to buy regarding engine and transmission. Thank you

Is the wiring harness on the 124 300d also a problem thanks

What were the 124 petrol motors like ?

Thinking of buying a 1978 300D for 2k and runs and drive. Windows don’t work, AC doesn’t work. But I’m wondering if it’s a good buy

I have 3 -W124 300D,S the best cars I have ever owned ,and the reason I have 3 is because I wont buy any other car so these will have to last me for the rest of my life .

W115 almost ripe. W123 perfect. W124 over ripe W210 rotten.

for the all the mercedes I owned, I had a w210 for about a year and every other one is a W124. I love the w124 and even I dont own a w123 I am jealous of that. But I love my w124's I have a 300 TD & D both 1987.

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

Those are some fast cars

@TheAbrunqaj

3 жыл бұрын

hey is the 1995 E300D way better than the 300 TD ? Or they are the same except for power difference

Pierre, I'd be curious as to your opinion of the W111. Had a '65 220S from '68 to '77 and it's the only car I've ever owned that I regret selling.

@unwoke1652

Жыл бұрын

We had two, one sold in 1974 on 350,000 miles and it still is a daily runner in 🇳🇦 Namibia, same as our 67 230SA that still is running, sold at well over 200 000 miles in 1977-ish. We regret selling either.

I think the 124 is overall a better car, fundamentally it is a more drivable car. Rides better, more power and just more modern in feel. I like the 123 but I certainly prefer the 124.

How much horsepower does the W124 300 TD have ? I'm looking to buy a 1991 300 TD W124 in Europe with US spec. the guy says it has 150 horsepower but that doesn't sound right to me since the 1993-1995 TD have 150 hp and not the older ones. The car is manual swapped with a transmission from W210 5 gears.

So Mercedes Benz discontinued the upper body side moldings , do you know if the aftermarket replacement are any good?

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

I don't. We don't get a lot of requests for them either

Unfortunately the diesels are harder to find here in Brazil, as only embassy cars were able to use this fuel due to our laws. The ones sold on dealers were gas powered.

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

That's very interesting. Thank you

When you are talking about your friend Aaron, are you talking about Aaron Newman in PA?

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

Yes.

I own a W124 (E220 5 Spd manual), a W123 (300D NA Auto) and a W115 (240D 4spd manual). I think the W115 is hands down the best in terms of road feel, presence, durability and serviceability. The W123 is by far the most comfortable to drive and the easiest to own and repair. The W124 feels the lightest, sportiest and is definitely the sharpest handler of the three. Each has its unique characteristics and the DNA that links them is apparent whenever I drive one after the other. This same DNA does not exist on the W210 and beyond - Mercedes lost the plot and has yet to find it again. What's worse, they're reducing their after sales support for these cars.

will a 1984. 1985 300d front fit unto a 1977 240d? I am searching for an answer.

W123 is still my favorite no matter what.

So when it came to these faulty wiring harnesses it was the w124 as well as w210 and 211...which platforms did this brutal wiring harness effect?

@Rick_Kn

4 жыл бұрын

140 chassis and the 124 chassis. It had something to do with the European requirements for recyclability. Damn things recycled the wiring before the rest of the car needed recycled.

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

Ricky answered the question for me. Most of the W-210 were fine except for some of the early examples

🔥👍

I really want to buy a 300d never owned a car, just SUVs and trucks!

@liveatthegodlyhour8618

3 жыл бұрын

Get one. Slow as hell but a nice cruiser, and excellent on gas

Wouldn't the sweet spot be a early 300 sd? Get the s class luxury and the w123 amazing engine?

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

I think the 85 was The Sweet spot. And yes it was one of my favorite s

No mention of the 300e 24v,but no one ever mentions the 24v.Are they that bad ?.

@wesleyaponte-gonzalez678

4 жыл бұрын

Sittar Thailand they are a pain in the ass! The m104.980 or m104.981 are awesome if they run correctly. But anything with them always seems to be a pain. Maybe because of different metals

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

Tough engine to work on but they are ok

How hard is it to change out the evaporator in the w124 cause I may have a leak in my 300TD and I do not now about my 300D. both 1987. The 300D is R12 and I converted the 300td to R134. I was told you have to tear the whole dash about to get to them?

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

Everything has to come out. I suggest purchasing the 124 climate control manual

@TheAbrunqaj

3 жыл бұрын

How much horsepower does the 300 TD have ? I'm looking to buy a 1991 300 TD W124. US spec. the guy says it has 150 horsepower but that doesn't sound right to me since the 1993-1995 TD have 150 hp and not the older ones.

Pierre, in terms of handling do you think the W124 is much higher than the W123? I ask this because I never drove either, but I have a W201, which I imagine has a similar handling to the W124. So is the multilink arrangement on the back and macpherson on the front really much higher than the W123 suspension arrangement? Which set of work has better handling?

@Rick_Kn

4 жыл бұрын

I have a gas 201, a gas 210, two diesel 124's , and several 123's. The 124's, when well sorted, drive like they are carved from a single block of solid steel. The 201 is very similar, but currently not as well sorted.

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

Martin especially is correct about this. the 123 is more about toughness and durability over bad driving conditions. While the 124 can accomplish this, it's abilities are more sport oriented

Twenty or thirty years later why do we have to worry about wiring harness it would have been done by now right

603 is the best engine bild

I have a 1992 300D 2.5 turbo (W124) and I’m currently looking for an engine. Lucky me!

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

What's wrong with the engine in the car

@ilyasel449

4 жыл бұрын

I think it’s the rods, it shakes and it has a miss. Also smokes a lot and very low on power.

W124 is bulletproof and modern and faster and sexy ..we all know that the OM606 fits in many other cars and gives the owner what they want. I have seen more of that then w123 although 123 was a childhood uprising and was a popular car especially in Africa than the 124. Who knows many units Mercedes produced on 123 vrs 124 and why. This is tough because it like your gf and mother are drowning in the pool whom u gona save first.. i will chose 124 Or we should all VOTE!

Some kids went to church, I watched cartoons. WWWECD? What would Wile E. Coyote drive? An 82 or 83 617A. Obviously. But now I can't catch anything because they''re all faster than me. Curses.

my car wont crank..all light is on...why is that??? please help..

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

What kind of Mercedes is it? Is your starter stuck or is your neutral safety switch broken? This is on automatic only

@mansorkadir6419

4 жыл бұрын

@@thisisnightshop2037 w124 230e my merc sir .

@mansorkadir6419

4 жыл бұрын

@@thisisnightshop2037 maybe my starter is bad...

I used to have a W124 300E 5 speed manual. I loved that car, but I found it to be unreliable and expensive to repair.

@thisisnightshop2037

4 жыл бұрын

It's a shame too because the five speeds are so much fun

So many supposed experts cannot even pronounce Mercedes-Benz. So, what do they really know?? It is NOT Mir say dees at all. And Benz is Bentz.... It is Deutsch, not English. Do never Anglicise names; it makes you look daft. Like calling Yeshua "Jesus," Yakov "James" or Céfas "Peter." Anglophones cannot pronounce Moskva and call it Moss Cow. See what they do to Sputnik or München, Paraparaumu becomes Parraparam. Good riddance, aren't there schools anywhere? I live in Africa, where we were taught English RP. And it isn't my mother tongue.