I'm surprised they don't have JIS bits being vessel. Very strange. Any chance of checking the fit in a JIS screw? It's possible they are JIS and don't state it.

@bcwrangler

Жыл бұрын

I've read where JIS isn't a thing in current Japanese industry

@StephenStockman

Жыл бұрын

@@bcwrangler its obsolete. The included bits are what we would consider JIS though. I believe Vessel said they moved beyond JIS. Still works perfectly in JIS screws and phillips.

@ozyrob1

Жыл бұрын

@@bcwrangler I've read that also but I do find JIS screwdrivers fit better in regular Philips heads anyway and are far less inclined to cam out. They're still very useful even if you don't work on vintage Japanese equipment.

@kiyosenl.3889

Жыл бұрын

JIS hasn't actually been used in a long long long time, the bits some companies label as JIS are some other standard that replaced it, i forget the name but they work great for philips and JIS

@a8f235

Жыл бұрын

@@ozyrob1 Totally agree with that. I just recently put together an expensive wooden desk and I used some philips wood screws to tighten down some cable management. I used a JIS screwdriver and I had absolutely no slippage, just simply a solid engagement throughout. It's actually a tool by Park Tool made for bicycle maintenance, and I only use it for when I really have to.

Doc, the pursuit of the perfect bit set/case has cost both you and I hundreds, if not thousands of dollars. But, I’ve found the cure. During my year long mission to make the perfect veto bag load out, I’ve found the Wiha Go Box 32 PC bit set to be the most perfect bit set I have ever seen. It’s so tiny and about 1/3 of the size of that Vessel set. It has a tiny 1/4 ratchet and a locking magnetic bit holder. It frees up so much space in my tool bag and I can never go back. Also, the metal case is a super durable. Please get it so that you and my fellow tool connoisseurs can finally sleep at night.

@ayoub1799

Жыл бұрын

The bit ratchet was an added bonus. Since the bits and locking 1/4 bit holder are impact rated, I’m assuming Wiha intended it to pair with an impact driver. As a matter of fact, I’d actually like to see that same set made, but without that mini ratchet.

@SaintFredrocks

9 ай бұрын

Doesn't it also come in three colors too? I just got the 50 pc Maxxtor bit set and it is amazing how it covers just about all of my impact driving needs. Not small though.

@lukas______

6 ай бұрын

Damn it. More good choices. Was about to get these Vessel bits but now this

I just purchased it from your link! I guess I Love Good Bits, I cannot lie! 😀 Seriously, I really do love having a good set of quality bits, and the price of this is so reasonable. Thanks, Doc!

i have had this set for a while and it's my set of choice for the tough jobs

Best bit set I own. Greater value for the money.

The Phillips drive was not designed to cam out, at least as far as I can tell, that's just a myth. It happens to be very prone to camming out, and in some circumstances that may be a benefit, but that was not an intentional design feature.

Have a video on these also. They are amazing. Wayyy worth the money. On par with all the best bits.

Don't forget the case slides for better access. Great set. I'm a sucker for Japanesium

I love my makita XPS bit set. High quality bits $33. Plenty of the common shapes/sizes to choose and several redundant pieces in case you break one. Been using for about a year and only 1 ph2 bit is worn out. But it cones with 3 others.

Phillips were indeed designed to cam out before over torqueing fasteners in assembly line applications. It is ironic that many high end phillips bits have various features to defeat the original intention of the design. There are other cross-point designs that do not have this feature, but phillips became so standardized so quickly that none of these other cross point types managed to become commonplace. The Reed-Prince drive is a 45 degree straight flute cross point (as opposed to phillips 30 degree tapered flute) that had some limited success in aircraft manufacture up until the 60s or so, and you can still buy reed-prince bits at aircraft tool companies, or the occasional Reed-Prince screwdriver on the used market.

Great tools. I just wish the world would choose an impact anvil standard. The Japanese seems to be the best as it allows double ended bits. The Wera style (C6) with no cutout is probably second best. The 9.5mm anvil used in the USA is the absolute worst.

I have that set and mine are holding up well. They are proving to be tough. I love the metric and SAE In the same set. I run into both frequently and it is nice to have them all together.

Hello again Doc Thank you for another Great Video 👍 You caught me trying to catch up watching your videos 😆 Again thank you

Doc you may have to buck up and use the Wera bits instead of treating them gingerly. Don't you want to be able to confirm their quality over perception of quality?

@hachi-rokuperformancegroup3987

Жыл бұрын

He is a collector and it's nice to see what you get

@lastbesttool

Жыл бұрын

I do use them, and not gingerly. But only for more precision tasks or when there is already damage to the fastener, mostly alloy Torx and hex on nice bikes. But most of my screw driving is deck screws, grabbers, and drywall screws. I don't want to grind down the diamond bits on overzealous bit driving in my drills. Over time, the screw grabbing does wear out and while they still drive well, they don't hold a screw so tight that it's easy to place o-handed.

Doc, got it. Love it. Use it. Would recommend highly. The end. --Paul.

I have this set and I love it. It’s held up for me very well with plenty of usage for the past two years, but I’m just a guy at home not a contractor! I actually did drop the case working on a small ladder once and I can tell you that they definitely fly out and it’s definitely not fun finding them. But I also hate it when I need to use pliers to get bits out so what can ya do. Someone needs to find the absolute perfect bit-case friction coefficient that doesn’t wear out!

Thats a nice set. I actually really like how it doesnt have a bunch of doubles, cause the ones i would need doubles of i have a bunch of already in other sets

Nice..I like that Doc...👍

All these bit sets don't have the electrician in mind - they never include bits for electrical terminal screws (such as those found in receptacles and switches). Milwaukee has ECX/ECX2, Klein has C1/C2, and Crescent has E1/E2 bits; I don't know of other manufacturers that have these bits. Speaking of Crescent, their bits are amazing, I HIGHLY recommend them. I've been using the same PH2 insert bit on the job, daily, for the better part of 6 months (maybe longer); it has not warped nor chipped, and rarely, if ever, cams out.

@jaybee1570

4 ай бұрын

He said it comes with 3 squares which work just as well for modern receptacles and breakers.

bought myself one of these, probably going to grab a second so i have one for at home and one for on the go.

I’ve heard that story about the Philips bits, and it makes no sense to me. If the idea was to not damage the work piece-a plane as I heard it-the last thing you want to do is cam out. If you’re pushing down on the screw and you pop out, you’re going to ram the bit into the work piece and make a hell of a dent.

Im gonna get this

Still 30 only 20 left,,errr 19 left,,thanks Doc, nice kit for the motorcycle……

Doc you’ve got to try the big timber bits. Made in Billings. They’re THE BEST impact bits I’ve ever used

@lastbesttool

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion.

Can you try test and review the zero degree Gearless ratchets?

These look impressive. I'm only worried about them being a custom design as they don't have the slot in the middle which helps them stay locked with hand tools, eg a 1/4 ratchet and hex bit adaptor.

Are these more durable than the milwaukees? I got a 74pc Milwaukee bit set and the bit holder kills it.. it sucks and theres a lot of duplicates. The hex doesnt to any larger than 6mm I think too

Hello again Doc Thank you for another Great Video 👍 I have to ask you if these are JIS tips. As I understand it doesn't work well with Philips Screws. But if by chance there Philips then I would be very interested. Especially, No 2 Philips. Is it possible to purchase just No 2 philips bits. I would ask you do they carry a Tri-Wing bit?Again thank you 😊

May want to swap out the posi 2 and Phillips 2. They're in the wrong places on the vessel kit. Nice video though.

What do you think of the electric screwdriver by Vessel 220USB-S1EB?

Nice

My favorite is the wiha xlselector I have two and they have been my go to for years (no duplicates, excellent selection, decent bit retention, top quality case and excellent quality bits) I would highly recommend checking them out

@ayoub1799

Жыл бұрын

I have this set but bits always seem to be falling out. Try the 32 pc set Wiha makes that comes in that small metal case. You get a locking bit holder and a mini ratchet. Plus its $30 vs ~$45

@jasonstorie8740

Жыл бұрын

Which two bit sets are you two talking about I’m a service tech and I’ve got the standard wera tool check plus and a few of there screwdrivers but I’m looking to get another bit set

@NomadicHacker.

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonstorie8740 look up Wiha XLSelector. There are a few options for bit selection.

@NomadicHacker.

Жыл бұрын

@@htr5372 that's your opinion

@NomadicHacker.

Жыл бұрын

@@htr5372 I never said they are the one and only I said that I have experience with them and personally like them. Don't take out your tool preferences on me. You make it sound like I'm recommending haroin. It's just an option and you can disagree that's your opinion but just because I like something that is more expensive doesn't mean that it's bad

Are they striking rated (for a manual impact driver)?

Can you please comment on if these vessel bits are closer to traditional japanese JIS phillips bits or are they identical fit to the milwaukee philips? Looking for decent proper JIS bits to use for the fine old motorcycle fasteners.

@ToroMoto

Жыл бұрын

@@htr5372 so this is not entirely clear to me. If I have a Japanese motorcycle, from year 2000, and I want to buy a screwdriver and bits to use in a ratcheting screwdriver... Where can I get them? Just because the JIS standard is now obsolete there are still tons of vehicles with these fasteners on them, for which, the owners will want JIS screwdrivers and bits to work on them. So I am not sure where to get them.

@StephenStockman

Жыл бұрын

@@ToroMoto All "phillips" bits and screwdrivers made by Vessel in Japan are what you consider JIS. New standard works perfectly with JIS and phillips. Vessel just no longer calls them JIS.

Your using the PH2 on that PZ2 screw ;)

Ah, the old “it’s a feature” myth. The Philips was not designed to cam out, it was designed to be easier to drive than a slotted. Camming out was an unfortunate byproduct, Philips was just easier to manufacture than a Robertson. The myth is just compensating for a bad design. Thats like saying the plastic cable bushing on my shifter was designed to break in case something got caught in the cable.

@robertcasey3528

4 ай бұрын

Wrong

Pitty they are not security Torx (with the centre hole/for pin) that way they work for all Torx not just half of them

Too bad they aren't flip bits. Then we could have had 60 bits for 30 pieces! Yes, I know they would only fit in Japanese impact drivers and collets, but that's why I got the Japanese version lol.

Doc, the cam-out design is a myth. There is no mention of such a design intent in the patents.

@lastbesttool

Жыл бұрын

I just went by some internet sources including Wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam_out "When the original patent application was filed in 1933, the inventors described the key objectives as providing a screw head recess that (a) may be produced by a simple punching operation and which (b) is adapted for firm engagement with a driving tool with "no tendency of the driver to cam out". Nevertheless, the property of the Phillips screw to easily cam out was found to be an advantage when driven by power tools of that time that had relatively unreliable slipping clutches, as cam-out protected the screw, threads, and driving bit from damage due to excessive torque. A follow-up patent refining the Phillips screw design in 1942 describes this feature and further argues that if screw drive clutches were perfect, a screw recess with zero vertical contact angles (and thus no axial cam-out force) could be utilized, but claims that where these have been tried, unsatisfactory results on assembly lines have prevailed since the drivers didn't cam out in time to prevent damage."

Those vessel bits are great but the bit holder in the set is garbage. I don't get it

lol ball torsion

Save the money and just buy DeWalt bits the are the best in all ways including price unless you need jis

@hachi-rokuperformancegroup3987

Жыл бұрын

@@htr5372 well in construction you will waste a lot of money using these expensive bits and won't drive screws any faster. I would say those are sets I would buy for my bikes

@hachi-rokuperformancegroup3987

Жыл бұрын

@@htr5372 for me with an impact DeWalt last the longest and break less but that's what everyone on the site about the brand they like

@hachi-rokuperformancegroup3987

Жыл бұрын

@@htr5372 I use the Makita 6in long Phillips and are my favorite long bits. I had some of the gold and don't remember them being bad but I have broke a lot of shock wave Phillips tips so I haven't used them for a while

All of these things are literally just gimmicks. There's little to no difference between the major brands of bits in terms of strength.