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@Jeff-sl8xz

15 күн бұрын

I checked out your leather making sight common people can't afford your prices extremely to high priced for what you're offering

@TheGunNerd

15 күн бұрын

I talked to hornady and they said the eldx is meant for farther distances so it may flip backwards at high enough speeds like close distances. Regarding the jacket core separation, the gel may have sucked them apart as the bullet expanded super quickly. I'm awaiting a response regarding the difference in performance, and the 6.5 sneedmoor goof up

@ChronicalsofAl

5 күн бұрын

@@TheGunNerd ok, so what are you going to do? Look, Hornady themselves told you that the eld x is meant to perform at 600+ yds (depending on what velocity your cartridge is running at ). It's essentially a target bullet with a slightly thicker jacket - similar to the Berger bullets with the J4 jackets with a very high bc. So, I carry two of the vld-eol in my bino case as I know I will have time to single feed the rifle if needed and use them for distance shots 300 RUM with 180 gr partitions ANYTHING less than 500ydd

I think some people don’t understand the whole purpose of these videos Mason. It’s not to show perfect, text book shooting with perfect performing sub MOA projectiles. It’s to compare and just see how a common rifle and off the shelf ammo perform under the same conditions. Interesting with the Precision Hunter ammo because it’s expensive and it’s our most popular choice we sell for serious hunters. Great video and thanks for sharing.

@Simon-talks

16 күн бұрын

heeeer's Johnny!

@packerjh2

15 күн бұрын

It's not the most popular in our area, it was 3 or 4 years ago when we stated noticing failures.....now there is tons of KZread videos about eld-x. Why would any1 even risk it? The deer season xp has nearly killed off the 350 legend, every one blames the caliber but more often than not the xp won't expand, which is crazy if u look at the bullet

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Thanks for your support!

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Absolutely agree about the XP and 350 Legend, I actually REALLY like the cartridge itself, it has very little recoil but good numbers for most deer hunting situations, the ammo used is key though, there are some great 350L loads out there.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the best thing Hornady makes is a podcast.

@francoisbuys8783

15 күн бұрын

This might be the best comment Ive ever heard😂 if hornady were able to make bullets the way they talked, boys we would have some great bulles

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

🤣

@andrewfischer1311

11 күн бұрын

I've come to believe that Hornady used to be a bullet/ammo manufacturer that did advertisement. Now they have become an advertisement company that happens to make bullets and ammo.

These ELDX bullets are made for better than average accuracy at longer ranges. They perform better at longer ranges when significant velocity/energy is lost over long flight. That being said, long distance hunting shouldn’t be the objective. It should perform well at close ranges too. It’s created a lot of hype and too many hunters have fallen into that trap. Spot on review.

@nikos6220

15 күн бұрын

Even at short ranges this stuff will be devastating on most things people shoot at. Still, the Hornady marketing machine bothers me big time. If you are a handloader, shoot 400 and in, want that economical high BC bullet … load the 200 grain like me. Much more solid performance

@WayStedYou

15 күн бұрын

It's already failing while being 200 fps below MV so. It's already simulating 300 yard shots at the speed it suggests

@True70woodsman

15 күн бұрын

@@nikos6220 Yea it’s probably gonna work at close ranges more times than not. But it was hard for me to believe the “explode on the shoulder” theory till I saw it in real life. Poorly constructed bullets at close ranges will explode on contact if it’s not placed perfectly behind the shoulder to avoid hitting big bone upon entry. I hope one day to get into hand loading. But for now, Federal Fusion factory loads are the ticket for me in most every rifle I shoot.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Glad to be of service!

@theowenssailingdiary5239

14 күн бұрын

@@True70woodsman out of my 06 they penetrate shoulder- so far so good. Is it possible you hit the shoulder at a slight angle, causing it to glance off? I've shot this through 2" of ply point blank (many times harder and thicker than deer bone) and there is no grenading. (That happens inside the animal for sure, which is exactly what I want).

2022 I saw 4 whitetail shot with the ELDX in 6.5 CM. All 4 bullets exploded and there was no blood trail for 2 of the 4. We all have switched to the fusion…..love the videos keep up the good work

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Thanks for the support!

@DreamConundrum

13 күн бұрын

I had the same experience and would not use them on deer again. I've had people tell me it's due to poor shooting (it wasn't) or that the frangible effect is ideal even though there was no blood trail. Thankfully, I didn't lose a deer. I want an exit wound and I want a blood trail, which the ELD-X can't deliver consistently while other bullets can.

@robertmajors1737

11 күн бұрын

If you can find them, the terminal ascent is some of the best hunting ammo for the creedmoor. Super high velocity and a good bullet to boot. If you happen to handload, try the 100 grain barnes ttsx in it. At 3100fps from a 22" barrel, the deer hate it.

Good test as always, I agree with you its the inconsistency that bothers me either all three blowup or all three penetrate , but to have the inconsistency and not knowing what the bullet is actually going to do is the problem…

@benson8686

15 күн бұрын

Exactly. Depending on the application I might want a rapidly expanding/fragmenting projectile, or I might want a projectile with controlled expansion with deep penetration. What I don't want is to roll the dice and be uncertain what's going to happen when the bullet hits its target.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Exactly

You are fair and honest in your reviews. Some can't accept the ytuth. Don't worry about those complaints!!! Michael Herrell

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Glad to be of service!

The Truth sets us all free-Keep it coming Bubba, love your Content- Unadulterated Truth as it happens.. 🤠 how can you question that?

@masonleather

6 күн бұрын

Thanks for your support!

Truth hurts. I’ve used the good ole Hornady Spire Point in 7mm Rem, 30-06, 280, 270, 25-06, 300 WM, 308 and 7-08 in various bullet weights and have always had good results. I used the ELD-X once in 7-08 and never used it again.

@Mark-uq9km

15 күн бұрын

I agree, Mr. Sayers.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

There it is

Your the man. Please if you can the Winchestor Expedition Big Game Long Range (190 grain AccuBond LR) it claims 2750 fps with a 190 grain. 1 other test confirmed the velocity but a gel test would be amazing.

@jasonglaze7874

15 күн бұрын

100% agree.

I’d love to see you review Nosler Accubond 30-06 in 180 grains. It’s my round of choice for big game, and I think it deserves a Mason leather review!!

I don't like the ELDX. I've tried it in several calibers in several tests. No thanks. Much better choices out there. Thanks for the info as usual. 👍👍

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Glad to be of service!

@syednoori3799

10 күн бұрын

Whats better choice than eldx at same price range? I need some good bullets, but everything too expensive

Thank you for another great informative video. Enjoy them all. But kind of looks like you need to strap those dancing blocks down to the table. Lol they certainly seemed to like to dance, especially with those powerful 30 -06 😊 loads.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

I’ve tried and doing so creates its own set of issues unfortunately. Glad to be of service!

I used to use the ELD-x in my .30-06 because it grouped like match ammo in my rifle. I have since switched to Fusion based on videos like this. The Fusion groups just fine too in both 150 and 180 gr so I have nothing but confidence.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Glad to be of service! I agree it tends to be very accurate (which makes sense as it’s much more of a match bullet than a hunting bullet, IMO).

Awesome videos sir, hats off to ya. I think I'll be sticking to plain ole Interlocks for my Hornady bullets.

It takes alot to make a video like this, thank you!!

@masonleather

14 күн бұрын

Thanks for your support! It does, a lot more than people realize 🤣

Good test. Thanks for posting

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Thanks for your support!

I have no idea why so many people have a massive hard on for Hornady. Especially precision hunter. I have never been a fan. Federal Fusion/Terminal Ascent and Barnes LRX are my choices. The only Hornady bullet I have used with a lot of success is the 250gr FTX .450 Bushmaster. It hammers deer like nothing else.

@jonathanrogers9961

15 күн бұрын

I would not say I have a hard on but I will answer. The main reason Hornady has my loyalty is because, during the last couple shortages, they had bullets available consistently. Do their bullets hold together as well as Fusion(gold dot if I am not mistaken), terminal ascent, Sirocco 2, accubond, barnes..... No, they do not. But like any cup and core bullet, if used properly they will put meat in the freezer, and they do it at 1/2 the cost or less of the other bullets mentioned. Value means something,

@DocHudson420

15 күн бұрын

@@jonathanrogers9961they cost the same or more than the other ammo…

@jonathanrogers9961

15 күн бұрын

@@DocHudson420 I am talking bullets as a reloading component, not loaded ammo. For .308 the 178g eldx is $0.45 per bullet. 168g barnes lrx are $0.92 per bullet. 180g accubond are $1.30each. And terminal ascent are not offered as a component anymore but were over $1.00 each when they were. The sirocco 2 had a similar design and comes in at $1.20 per bullet for the 180g. Loaded ammo is similarly priced, bullets, not so much.

@jimyeats

15 күн бұрын

They generally have a wide ammo selection and typically are the most accurate in my rifles. Also their ammo is usually reasonably priced for their common loadings. I know that when most of my stuff is one brand I often like to keep the rest of it the same brand. Just normal brand loyalty/compulsiveness.

@WayStedYou

15 күн бұрын

​@jonathanrogers9961 if you want a cheap good performer try the speer hot cor

I've been a big fan of Federal. I bought a box of this for my 7mm08. Wish I saw this first.

If you can find it. The Winchester super X elk round silver tip. Not the ballistic tip. Has the deepest penetrator I've ever seen. I think the consistency of the led from each manufacturer determines its opening rate.

Maybe it mad some mad …maybe it didn’t. I shared my experiences with it and asked basic questions, which you asked for. You seemed to be the offended one when opinions varied . But with that said , you don’t hold back on reporting your results and I admire that. Keep the videos coming…I enjoy them.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Not sure what you mean, if I replied to a prior comment that was an inquiry no offense would be taken or given, if it came across that way in text it wasn’t meant to, I get around 1,000 comments per day and I often answer them fast when I get the chance. Thanks for your support.

@tubbyshvfd9110

14 күн бұрын

@@masonleather oh it’s all good man. Not bashing at all. Your videos provide great insight

As always, great video Sir! Your findings are so important for people and hunters to be able to educate themselves prior to spending money on the crazy expensive hunting bullets today. The results get even worse when you start using these bullets in real hunting situations and introduce bone and other harder tissue. For the price, hornady needs to have a bonded bullet.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Thanks for your support!

Say what you want, judging by their performance, the ELDXs are just match bullets. Failure across calibers and cartridges from the same line of ammo says all a hunter needs to know. Test some of the Nosler stuff in 30-06, let's see how that works.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

I’ve got some Federal Premium Nosler Partition loads coming up in .270 and 30-06 I believe, unfortunately that stuff is hard to find.

@mikemelina7395

13 күн бұрын

@@masonleather I can't wait. Is it the 165gn Partition?

Good video. Thanks for what you do. Great service to us hunters. It’s got to be hard to make a bullet with consistent performance at high and low impact velocity. Erring on the long range/slower vel will give these results. Ive tried several older style Hornady buller with impressive results with the exception of the SSTs. Same fails at close range.

@masonleather

14 күн бұрын

Thanks for your support! I’ve heard many first hand accounts of these failing even at extended range. Norma did it with Bondstrike, that bullet is incredible for a do-everything. But overall I agree, there’s always some kind of trade-off.

There are too many hunter stories out there saying that these things blow up. There are a lot better options out there

@theowenssailingdiary5239

15 күн бұрын

They can blow up, but they don't bounce off (as some claim) 😀. Its a bit like people saying copper bullets pencil deer - sure they do, but not always. Most times an eldx will do exactly as happened in the gel- do a lot of damage. A bullet doesn't have to retain weight, or penetrate 25" to kill. In my mind, if you are getting heaps of penetration you are losing out somewhere else. When I find an eldx has fragmented (blown up), the damage on the vitals is horrendous (awesome). These ironically seem to be the fastest kills. These work exactly as advertised less than 50% of the time, and thats the problem . Its just a soft chunk of lead with a pointy bit.

thank you for the onfo.. I agree with you on the results.. What make us better hunter is the observation and analisis of the rifle we shoot with..Something like the sst or the cx would make more of the result we want..

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Glad to be of service!

Great content mate. Subbed. Thank you for engaging folk in comments. Australia

Your impact velocity at 100 yards should be 2500fps with your 2650 muzzle vel. The minimum expansion threshold of 1800 fps is held until 600 yards with your starting vel. if the published B.C. is correct. The thing about a hunting bullet is it needs to perform on the target(some living creature) ANYWHERE from muzzle to max range. I must agree with you, that those might "splash" on an elk's shoulder at 100 yards or closer is a problem. It would certainly do worse from a magnum with greater vel.🤨

@WayStedYou

15 күн бұрын

Or if it even reached its box velocity jt would probably be coming apart. Especially if it's a 50 or 70 yard shot at proper speed or in a 300wsm or wm etc

@SonJWri

15 күн бұрын

A woman I follow on Instagram shot a bull elk with a 212grain eld-x from a 300prc at 418 yards, after two shots in the vitals it finally trotted off and died. Even at longer range these ELD-X bullets seem to be a failure IMO.

@theowenssailingdiary5239

14 күн бұрын

@@SonJWri that's absolutely not what I've seen. Go and look at the hundreds of eldx kill shots on video. Long range there isn't much better.

I'm really bummed! I already got these bullets for a long range deer & elk 300 WSM rifle of mine. The hand loads are very accurate but to have a chance of a blow up on an elk is a bad deal. Dog gone it! Thanks for doing the honest testing. I'll have to check for some other bullet to try. Keep up the good work.

@jasonshults368

15 күн бұрын

If all you get is 15" of penetration, and the bullet loses 65% of its weight, that will kill any elk you shot in the chest. Any elk. Stop pretending otherwise. Fake f'ing drama queens.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Glad to be of service! I’ve heard some horror stories of these failing miserably on elk even at longer ranges.

Two bucks down with 143gr ELD-X out of a 6.5 Creedmoor. Neither produced a blood trail. First shot was just over 150 yards. Second shot was right about 100 yards. First bullet exploded on opposite rib cage with no exit. Second bullet did the same but a small shard exited. These bullets kill deer but they blow up internally and you cannot expect a blood trail. If you're in the South, bring a dog or get a new bullet. I've opted for using other bullets.

My 30-06 loves this ammo but I use copper bullets for hunting. Thanks for sharing your gel test.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Thanks for your support!

Grest video! Im shooting these in 300wm, the accuracy is great so i was going to reload with these exact bullets. After seeing this i think ill try something else, can you recommend a projectile for elk size deer ? Im in Australia and im hunting sambar deer 🤙

Great test. The ELD-X is no wonder bullet. Actually it is just a cup-and-core tuned to the max for hunting. That’s why it is super cheap as a bullet for reloaders, an AccuBond Long Range costs twice as much. Now, if one wants to pay the loaded ammo prices regardless, …

Tipped cup and core bullets suck compared to bonded and monolithics. That is why the latter two were invented. Hornady can fire up the marketing team as much as they want, it's still an old cup and core bullet.

@austinhowze6280

15 күн бұрын

First all match ammo is cup and core next its a soft core and tip for expansion at slow speeds but shitty if your not shooting 300 plus

@jonathanrogers9961

15 күн бұрын

I would not say old cup and core, It has definitely had all the features tweaked, modernized, and pushed about as far as you can push. Great BC, consistent jacket, tapered jacket thickness to control expansion at a wide velocity range, and an interlock ring. Yes it is still a cup and core bullet, but its about one of the best we currently have.

@matthewspeller

15 күн бұрын

@@austinhowze6280 First of all this isnt a match, and for expansion at slow speeds it started at 2600fps - how much slower you want it to hit my dude? Stop the cope man.

@matthewspeller

15 күн бұрын

@@jonathanrogers9961 It's an old cup and core bullet made on modern machines with a multi-million dollar marketing team. It is certainly not a great example of one, so I'm not sure what you're on about there at the end.

@jonathanrogers9961

15 күн бұрын

@@matthewspeller Why is it not a great example of a cup and core bullet. What cup and core hunting bullets are better? And in what way are they better?

I load 220gn ELD-X bullets for my 30-06 thinking I was gonna get maximum penetration on hogs, and can confirm in every water test they fragment, and in deer the only bullet I managed to recover after a full pass through the jacket was laying on the grass and the lead was less than 3" in the wet soil, I'm switching to 130gn or 150gn TTSX after I finish loading the 220s I have left. Edit: frankly the SST does better and it's older so I'd assume it's a little cheaper, so I'd just load that for deer.

@carlpreston1680

15 күн бұрын

The 175 grain LRX works really good I've never used one of a 30-06 but out of the 300 win mag it takes elk right down even out to 400 or 450 yards but I imagine at closer ranges in a 30-06 it would be hard to beat

@linkbond08

15 күн бұрын

@@carlpreston1680oh I'm sure, I live in Southeast Georgia so my longest range is around 300 yards, many woods.

@matthorvath6475

15 күн бұрын

I was using the 130gn sst in my 270 and had the same thing happen, didn’t exit the deer though it was a quartering towards me shot and it totally blew up, found some of the lead core in the far side hide and part of the jacket lodged in the rib cage behind it switched to accubonds and haven’t looked back

@Matt-en1kn

15 күн бұрын

Terminal ascent is the best bullet on the market try those u will love em

@duckwacker8720

15 күн бұрын

220gr have zero business being loaded in 06. Stick with 165gr.

I would love to see you test Federal terminal ascent loads.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

The .270 TA video has been live for a while, I just filmed .308 and have 30-06 coming up for filming. The .270 & .308 TA loads did good, it’s a tough bullet, I personally prefer Norma Bondstrike overall compared to TA but whichever was more accurate I wouldn’t hesitate to use.

I'll send this to hornady and see if they can make heads or tails of this, because I really like eldx

Your tests are excellent! Since you already did the 50 yards test, is it possible for you to shoot a 100 yard test of 30-30 Hornady Leverevolution and 30-30 Hornady American Whitetail ammo? Also, if it is possible for you to find PPU 30-30 150 and 170 grains ammo in the US and test it at 100 yards? Greetings from Croatia!

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Thanks for your support! I may do those again at 100 yards in the future, but the velocity loss between 50 and 100 shouldn’t make a huge difference. After my first few 30-30 videos I did switch to 100 yard testing for the caliber. I do have PPU on-hand for upcoming evaluation.

@katolikkreacija3828

15 күн бұрын

@@masonleather Thank you for your answer. Your channel and tests are super interesting. Yes, I was glad to see you started doing tests at 100 yards for the 30-30 caliber. I believe that for the purpose of comparing, selecting and purchasing ammo some people would benefit from seeing the performance of Hornady's 160gr Leverevolution and American American Whitetail 150gr ammo at 100 yards. By the way, any chance you could do a gel test for a 170 grain 357 Magnum Federal Hammerdown fired from a lever action rifle like you did for the Federal Hammerdown 44 Magnum?

I enjoy watching these video's same thing happened with the Frontier 556 68gr. Is it possible the third round each time hit a piece of lead from one of the first two rounds.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

I know what you mean but I doubt that would cause complete disintegration, if a tiny fragment of lead would cause catastrophic failure then I’d hate to see what a shoulder blade or rib would do.

I've tried many boxes of hornady ammo though three different hunting rifles and honestly I wanted to like it but I always get better accuracy with federal fusion with all three rifles ( a weatherby,savage, and ruger) and I've had great results with federal fusion.

@eggbert191

15 күн бұрын

I found the complete opposite in factory rounds. I prefer the fusion bullet for hunting just wish I could find it to reload to get the accuracy I want

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Fusion is the way

I would love to see a gel test with the Sierra Tipped Game King bullets.

@masonleather

14 күн бұрын

I’ll get to it

I have problems with hornady ammo leaving residues in the barrel making my rifle loose accuracy, first time i see that was in a 22 magnum, then i try 243, 308, 30-06 and 6,5x55 all the same problem , not every rifle loose accuracy but the dirty barrels are there

Do you have any plans to test the Speer Impact? I’d be willing to donate some if you were interested. It seems to be the Gold Dot/Fusion bullet with a tip. And I’d wager new Federal’s Fusion tipped is the same thing.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

I’ll be doing everything, literally 👍🏼

Just think about how bad it would be if the velocity would have been higher?

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Absolutely, and it has to be considered that the chronograph velocity is higher than the actual impact velocity at 100 yards, they’re going slower by some margin when they hit than the velocity measured in the test, and still have issues.

I'm not shocked at this result, the ammo made for long range is just not what I want at 100 yards. I would love to see you take a couple shots with that ammo at 30 yards and see it you get any to hold the core. I would accept the results you got with this Precision Hunter if it was cheep ammo. But Premium ammo should work 99% of the time in a large velocity window!

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

At closer range who knows, I’ve recently come across some match shooters saying the ELDX sometimes breaks apart in-flight before hitting anything at all, wild.

In order to expand at extended distances, it will expand violently at short distances and often result in a separation. I used the same bullet in my 308 on a doe this season. It did the exact same thing and completely separated. The deer was instantly dead, didn't move. It was frontal shot and I tucked it just inside the slightly turned shoulder. The jacket mad it about halfway back through the vital cavity and the led core made it all the way back to the rear ham. I see nothing wrong with it doing that if it put the deer dead on the spot

@masonleather

14 күн бұрын

That’s not at all what they claim the performance to be, it’s printed right on the back of the box with photos. There are match shooters that have experienced these disintegrating in-flight before they hit anything at all. The issue is a lot more than that of reliable expansion at various/extended ranges (impact velocities).

I would like to see you test some ELD-M's if you haven't. As you know I shot several head of game this past season with the 178gr ELD-M and had two complete pass throughs, and only captured one. All the exits were large. I've never shot anything with an ELD-X. Hornady says there isn't a difference but there has to be. Either in the hardness of the lead core, or the jacket itself.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

I’ve got some in 6.5C I’ll do when I get to them

They are soft for long ranges , My friend used the 6.5 creedmoor version to shoot a deer at 350 yards a big hole going in the ribs big hole coming out, mass expansion that distance it ran about 20 ft and felll over , another guy I know shot a large body mule deer at 200 yards with the 200 + grn ELDX in 300 ultra mag and it blew the whole shoulder off and never went into the chest cavity the deer never went a step so if you're going to use those you should be using them at longer ranges or shooting really slow closer ranges I mean this is no secret by now that there's not one bullet that works extremely well longer ranges and performs good at closer ranges they can come close but not ideal unless you want to lose a bunch of meat

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

1. They are absolutely not for “longer range” as marketed, they are marketed to work within an impact velocity window, it’s printed right on the box. These impacted substantially slower than the top end of that window and still were inconsistent. 2. You shoot a deer with a 300 Ultra Mag and the bullet used isn’t going to matter, it’s a 300 Ultra Mag.

Makes sense now

Keep in mind lead particles in your meat appreciate the video✌🏽

Personally not a fan of the ELD-x. Not saying it isn’t a very good extended range bullet, but most deer where I live are shot 100 yards and under and they just seem to be to explosive at short range and lack penetration. I will say I have nothing but love for the old interlock spire point and boat tail spire point bullets. Almost like Hornady doesn’t even consider them anymore, due to pushing the ELD-x bullets these days.

ELD-X is similar to the interlock except for the tip. Not bonded either, will come apart!!

It is what it is

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

It is

It’s a good thing I watched this video before I took it hunting.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Glad to be of service!

Tell it like it is even if it ticks some people off 👍

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Absolutely

No surprise there they should put a disclaimer on the box not close range ammo but it does shine at 300 plus i get .25moa out of this stuff

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Unfortunately I’ve heard horror stories about long range shots with it also, even that the bullets disintegrate in-flight sometimes before hitting anything.

A cannelure about halfway up the jacket would more than likely limit the jacket/core septation. The main reason I don't load ELD products.

@eggbert191

15 күн бұрын

It already has the interlock. Cannalure is just for crimping bullets

@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595

15 күн бұрын

@@eggbert191That, and cannelures are the weak point in the jacket, they don’t “reinforce” the jacket.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

I’ve recently heard from a match shooter that the interlock groove may itself be a big part of the problem, weakening the already thin jacket to the point of randomly fragmenting into oblivion

@josephtindle4319

15 күн бұрын

@@eggbert191 Hornady Precision Hunter products do not have a cannelure.

@eggbert191

14 күн бұрын

@@josephtindle4319 I'm well aware.

Would love to see some sako ammo on here through the 3006 top vid.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Will eventually

I have actually had an outfitter lament that a CO landowner had cautioned him about clients not using adequate rifles. Bullet blowup, or lack of expansion of projectiles at range. Or extreme range shooting were all points of concern. The rancher was tired of finding dead elk or mule deer. He asked that a hunter used a .28 caliber as a minimum and no shots over 300 yards.

@masonleather

14 күн бұрын

It’s a big problem these days.

I agree with you 100%

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

💯

Ha ha it’s comical how people can cry over something they have no control over or don’t make themselves. Your videos are informative, never mind what people say

There are many you tube videos with similar findings. My question is, when is Hornady going to acknowledge there is a problem with this ammo?

@WayStedYou

15 күн бұрын

Never. Throw some more marketing money at reinventing a round that already exists, like the 260 rem to 6.5 creedmor and rinse and repeat.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Haha, agree, I wish the 260 got the push the 6.5 did

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Apparently never

I would be cool if you could do some Serra pro Hunter 270

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

I’ll be getting to everything

👍😊 I’ve got some 308 stuff 🤷‍♂️ if it’s accurate. Tho good to see it can be a v-max to okish it didn’t go fmj.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Glad to be of service!

Epic fail. I used Hornady 129 grain sst in 6.5 creedmoor. Like to see you test them

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

The 6.5C 129gr SST Superformance load is in Que, it will go live in the next few weeks.

@JeremyGibson-ni5uu

15 күн бұрын

@@masonleather iv had good luck with the superformance out of my creedmoor. Iv taken at least 20 white tails and at least tht many hogs with it.

It's definitely not a bonded bullet. That interlock jacket doesn't seem to be adequate at 100 yards.

If Hornady made this bullet a bonded partition or at least bonded it’d probably be much more consistent. The federal terminal accent is a perfect example of that

@masonleather

14 күн бұрын

Federal is cut from a different cloth

I was surprised by the low velocity. Out of a 22“ like yours my 200 grain ELD-X handload would be at about 2600 ft/s, and that is not a max charge.

@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595

15 күн бұрын

What powder are you using to get that velocity? That’s impressive with a 200gr bullet. Tikka barrels do tend to be a little slower.

@nikos6220

15 күн бұрын

@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 if you are in the US you are probably out of luck, although they have a named US distributor. It’s a Swiss powder by a company with the apt name Reload Suisse. For this load I am using RS60, which is btw also brilliant for 300 Win Mag. From a burn rate perspective it’s like Vihtavuori N550

@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595

15 күн бұрын

@@nikos6220 I’m 90% certain that RS60 is sold in the U.S as Reloder 17. Good to know.

@nikos6220

15 күн бұрын

@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 ha, that’s crazy. Never heard about that. The fun part is that I zeroed in on this load for my 20“ savage based on a tool called GRT. Just checked the Hornady reload data for the 200 grain, and RL 17 is the top performer together with Superformance at 2650 ft/s, but they use a 24“. So that is right in line with my 20“ 2550 ft/s load

@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595

15 күн бұрын

@@nikos6220 Yeah for whatever reason whenever a powder is imported to the U.S, they use a different same instead of the original. We have tons of Lovex powders imported by Shooters World, but they have Shooters World names.

I would also like to point out Bonded bullets are cheaper in the long run as they put more meat in the freezer, unless you like eating lead now & then.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Fair point

Eldx is definitely for longer range/lower velocity. I definitely don't want a fragmenting bullet. I stay away from sst and eldx or those that hunt with eldm. I'm a firm believer in mono and bonded bullets

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

I’m a bonded fan

When are we gonna see some 375 h&h ammo tests

@masonleather

12 күн бұрын

June 6th at 6pm

I was/am a Interbond superfan. I remember when this load came out. This was absolutely marketed as a lond range bullet. Kinda what the accubond LRband the federal terminal ascent. Hornady LIED! JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH 7PRC 175GR @ 3000FPS!

@barrymantei7795

15 күн бұрын

The interbond is a great bullet but impossible to find in factory ammo.

@brianwood7882

15 күн бұрын

Its been discontinued

It seems that most Hornady ammo fails unless it's a solid copper bullet

Not a fused projectile, not advertised as one. Doesn't have anything holding the jacket to the core like their interlocks. I've had mixed results using these exact pills on deer and bear. The results from every shot is a dead animal. They are accurate and they kill every time. If I'm wanting deep penetration, weight retention, and salvage as much meat as possible I'm using the speer gold dots or the federal fusions. These are accurate as all get out and if I'm making head shots I'm using the eldx or eldm line. Banging for meat I'm using a bonded or monolithic. Duh! I agree that their marketing is not honest. We are years past the introduction of these and we all know the results. But people keep buying them for some reason or another. Thanks for the video!

@eggbert191

15 күн бұрын

It has the interlock

@WayStedYou

15 күн бұрын

It literally is an interlock with a tip

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Thanks for your support

@benjaminbrown1179

15 күн бұрын

@@masonleather I do love the bear design. I will have to check out your pricing on your website. I'd prob want two. One for a right, and one for a left hand savage 110 with the accustocks. Right hand is the high country, and the left hand is the timberline. Both chambered in 6.5 prc. I'll go take a look.

Here is my perspective on the hornady precision hunter in any caliber.the eld bullet is a match bullet the eld-x is a hybrid between hunting and match the only difference between the two is the thickness of the jacket the eld line of bullet are designed for longer range test this stuff at 200-300 yards and you will get the results you want

@WayStedYou

15 күн бұрын

Its already 200fps slower than box velocity so its already simulating a 300 yard hit due to lower speed at his 100 yd target.

@SonJWri

15 күн бұрын

A woman I follow on Instagram shot a bull elk at 418 yards using a 212gr ELD-X from a 300PRC. The video of it showed she shot it twice behind the left shoulder into the vitals before it finally trotted off and died

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

I’ve heard guide stories of elk taking 7-10 rounds of the stuff before the guide had to shoot them with something else

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

The velocity at impact is going to be even slower (a good amount slower) than the already slow muzzle velocity, it’s already nowhere near where it supposedly can perform at and still broke up.

Do you remember what Order you fired the bullets in? Which shot was the bullet that franged apart? Also, could it be that the rifle twist may have affected these bullets’ expansion? Have you fired them in an 30-06 with a different rifle twist? I’m just curious. I have noted drastic bullet behavior changes within a same caliber but different rifle twist, on another caliber I’m working with, but instead of over-spinning, im seeing pressure anomalies.

@awsomedude12345678

15 күн бұрын

As seen in previous posts the tikka t3x tends to be a little slower than average That would be a larger bore and less damage to the jacket This seems to indicate that most other barrels would cause even more frangibility

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

I don’t know what order it was, I do know that there are lots of other bullets I’ve evaluated that do not blow up into oblivion.

Charlie Daniel’s!

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

CDB

If it’s accurate and kills the deer, why does gel matter?

@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595

15 күн бұрын

Because there are animals out there bigger than deer. Deer aren’t exactly hard to kill.

@charlconradie4935

15 күн бұрын

Because some of us don't like chewing on lead.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

I can’t line up a couple hundred deer to test ammo on, what I can tell you is I’ve heard horror stories about ELDx on deer also, not just bigger game

These things just seem to be a fancy sst which is just a fancy vmax

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

I don’t disagree, I’ve had some very mixed results with SST’s also, some vids aren’t live yet, but I had some that were VERY slow completely fly apart, not like an SST kinda is meant to, but like an absolute frag like a Vmax.

It's a shame because it shoots half moa out of my rifle. It was built for BC not terminal performance

Lol. Great video. Keep it real brother.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Thanks for your support!

Eldx bullets are crap in my opinion.. Give me a good federal fusion anyday.

Accubond, or Barnes are the superior Hunting bullets.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Barnes is up there, they do what they say they will, their reputation seems well deserved. I don’t have any experience with Accubond yet.

@j.t.patton7820

15 күн бұрын

@masonleather They actually expand, but retain their weight.

👍

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Glad to be of service!

Stick with remington cor-lokt and you will have no such problems😊

2750fps at what bbl length ???

@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595

15 күн бұрын

Probably 24. Tikka barrels tend to be slow though.

@WayStedYou

15 күн бұрын

24 is almost always the test length for rifles unless its lever action then its 20

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Make believe barrel length

Don’t like ELDX bought one box for my 308 still have Half box didn’t shoot very well in my savage

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Save it for a rainy day I spose

I can pass on the inconsistencies in performance. As a vendor I hear from individuals both lauding the accuracy but lamenting the performance on game. Instances of shallow penetration, lower than box velocities and game not recovered. “But they shoot good”. 😳

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

It’s a real problem. People get taken by marketing and have come to view the tightest group size as the most important factor, when it’s of little to no consequence in reality. Almost any modern rifle will shoot almost any ammo plenty good enough for the overwhelming majority of hunting situations.

I don't know exactly why people would get upset over a bullet test.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

It is pretty goofy

That performance is what those West Coast open range hunters want. But as East Coast people don’t. That’s why you see such varying opinions.

@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595

15 күн бұрын

I live in the Rocky Mountain West and I’m not touching the ELDX with a 10 foot pole.

@mr.mr.3301

15 күн бұрын

@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 it amazes me how many love eldx. I think the name Precision is the reason it seeks so well

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Good man

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Norma Bondstrike is the way

@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595

15 күн бұрын

@@masonleather I lucked out and got 200rds of 180gr Bondstrike in 30-06 for $1 a round.

Hornady bullets suck in general. The interlock is ok if you like that oldschool partition type bullet, but their eld-x and ssts regularly have jacket separations at magnum velocities. Their mono bullets perform ok, but are generally not as accurate as Barnes or Hammers in my experience. Their match ammo is pretty good, but I don't like their hunting bullets. If you want a good high bc hunting bullet, grab you some Nosler ablr.

I like the 165 grain federal fusion bullet better

Yep.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Indeed

I’ve seen the eldx fail horribly on game too many times on elk sized game . I won’t touch them anymore. It’s a glorified target bullet .

I applaud Hornady for being creative and trying to be the leader in quality hunting ammo. However, not all their creations work as advertized and we as shooters and hunters need to understand that. If the ELDX is better for longer ranges what happens when your trophy bull moose or elk show up 100 yards away? Make a quick change in your ammo? I don't think so. I'm old fashioned and prefer the soft pointed cup and core bullets. Even the Leverevolution ammo has a failure in about 1 in 4 shots on bigger game. Again, the Leverevolution has the polymer tip to provide better balistics in tube magazine lever guns. I buy a lot of Hornady bullets for reloading but never buy the ELDX or Leverevolution bullets. Thank you for your post. I see someone did'nt like your review so they had to find fault with you on your leather products. Sad.

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Glad to be of service!

I will admit they group really nice! Sub MOA in my FN made Winchester model 70. They work phenomenal for yotes and groundhogs. I'm not using this stuff for big and medium game.. I've gotten similar results. Cup and core separation is common. The Eld-x is essentially a rebranded match bullet. Match bullets perform very inconsistently with game. If you deer hunt or big game hunt, stick with tried and true. Barnes TSX or Nosler Partition. Fusion and Corelokt work well with medium game. Don't buy into the hype. I think these rebranded match bullets are nothing more than a gimmick. Most of us want controlled expansion not a grenade!

@jonathanrogers9961

15 күн бұрын

So I would say the ELD-x is match grade. I do think they added features to make it more of a hunting bullet, mainly the interlock and tapered jacket thickness to initiate and control expansion. Whether is does that well is of course up for debate. Personally I think this would be fine for deer and medium sized game, but definitely not large game. But opinions vary. Argued with a hunter once. Posted vids of a moose hunt with a 6.5cm and eld-m. bullet blew up, shredded the left lung and heart, barely made it halfway into the animal, moose dropped where it stood, dead as a doornail. Still not sure how I feel about it though, not something I would want to try.

@duckwacker8720

15 күн бұрын

Monolithic bullets are very unreliable and need speed to properly and reliability expand.

They look good to me. Cheers

@charlconradie4935

15 күн бұрын

You don't eat what you shoot do you? Good luck getting all that lead out of your deer.

If they are supposed to come apart that makes the test results worse because two of the bullets stayed together. That’s twice as bad

@charlconradie4935

15 күн бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Gold

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Can’t argue with that

100% 2 out of 3 is unacceptable. 5 shots may give some more data.

It is a fail. Just a high priced sst bullet. Why hornady doesn’t load their bonded bullet is all about money. Pushing their monolithic bullets on customers is a fail in my opinion. I’ve abandoned hornady completely

@masonleather

15 күн бұрын

Absolutely