Finally, someone besides myself that thinks the Sound Generator is more useful then for a bass note.

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

It’s so sick! Nice to have a dedicated synth engine and the noise oscillators work great for drums/transitions.

@Joeybonez

Ай бұрын

I use it for lead.

@Alief.Prophet

Ай бұрын

LITERALLY!!!!

@davidmaskew

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I'm pretty new to this stuff. I did have an Electribe 2 years ago and that was quite fun to generate sounds on as I think it was more of a synth workstation but I didn't stick with it. Now I'm pretty much starting from scratch with the 404 mk2 as I decided working from samples probably suits me better as it gives me that option to start with something to inspire me into something as my knowledge is limited but to have this added has given me that option again. I just need to learn my way around the 404 properly so thanks for the videos. The updates are coming faster than my learning unfortunately 😂

Great video. You had me going back and playing with the sound generator again. One thing i'm not sure you've realised is that with the 'merge sample' part of the update, you can combine those waveforms in varying volumes and semitones, creating a multi osc sound, and also you can modulate the first sound with the wave of the second!!

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

How cool is that! I knew about the merge sample but am still digging into all the ways to utilize it, what you mentioned is so sick though. I’m planning to do a video series on each bit of the update and merge sample techniques will be in one of them :)

@allgonewrongful

Ай бұрын

@@sunwarper I know, I was really impressed with that. It makes me think that maybe they are going to expand further on sound generation. Great news, I'll look forward to the series. I enjoy your vids m8 :)

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

I really hope they add a filter in sound gen, would be nice to keep that bus open to other fx. Poly and multi oscillator would be something else haha but the fact it's as detailed as it is is awesome

The 4.04 update added a ton of awesome features, let's take an in depth look at it's new synth functions 🔷Want Synth and Drum Recipes for the New Sound Generator? Check Out My SP404 MK2 Cheat Sheet: www.sunwarper.com/product-page/sp404-mk2-beatmaking-live-sets-cheat-sheet

I'm actually so hyped for this tone generator and being able to bounce stems from patterns. This gives me something useful for writing synth ideas and I didn't even have to buy anything new haha. One of the first things I did was get multiple waveforms then merge them to one sample to get "multiple oscillators." I was hyped.

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

It’s so sick and yeah the multi oscillator is another game changer! Definitely covering it in a later episode of this update series :) It’s nice to have such a powerful internal sound generator within the SP now

Wow thanks for sharing your ideas. Using the mk2 as a truly creative instrument. Wonderful

@sunwarper

14 күн бұрын

Cheers! It's an amazing machine for sure :)

Clunky ass workflow but I love the SP, it really does breed creativity… which is probably because of that weird ass workflow.

@Zeal808

Ай бұрын

Totally

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

haha definitely!

Its the one thing Ive really been using since the update, havent used many other features yet.

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

That's the best part about this update, there seems to be something for everyone. I've been using the sound gen with the live looper for some quick jams and it's been awesome not needing any external gear or pattern sequencing.

Great video bro and since you have so many 404 video ill sub to see some more of these awesome tunes on the 404 in the future!

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

Cheers my friend! I've got a playlist dedicated to SP404 here on KZread, it's definitely my favorite piece of gear :)

Thanks so much for this! I’ve been considering getting this, but kept holding off because of the seeming lack of sound design options. You’ve made the SP404 worth it for me. Keep up the great work - subbed!

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

Cheers! I find the SP's effects are amazing for sound design, but previously I'd have to sample in a sound to then treat. With this update, now it can all be done internally as well! If you decide on an SP, I have an affiliate link in the description if you want to help the channel as well :)

Awesome!

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

Cheers!

Great video! I have one question - how were you able to isolate the individual stamps from the looper? For instance, you extracted a melodic pattern in one part, and in another, the drums.

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

Cheers! I didn’t extract the loop fully. I muted (undid) the synth recording and then exported the drums from the live loop. I sequenced that in the pattern sequencer and then remade the synth part in the sequencer.

sounds good i wish they add some of those mc101 sounds to the 404; I think it could handle some zenology functions

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

I hear you, it would be nice to have a filter, LFO and Envelope (that works) in the generator itself, but the fact something like this is even in the box now is pretty sick. Maybe they'll add more in future updates

Impressive, very good video. Yes, if you have a good knowledge of how to shape sounds, you can do a lot.

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

Cheers! There's a lot to unpack with it, but it's a nice addition to the 404 and cuts out some sampling if you need a synth on a jam

@driverv86

Ай бұрын

@@sunwarper personally i had to downgrade a version, as 404 constantly crashed on resample for me... Waiting for that bugfix from roland.

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

Oh no, sorry to hear that! Did you try system and or factory resets? I had some weird bugs that the system reset fixed, but I heard about the resample bug... that definitely needs a fix fast

@driverv86

Ай бұрын

@@sunwarper Yes I followed the FW update to a T, and have tried both resets. No luck, probably got a crash after about 50% percent of resampling, most particularly with long samples and effects added. Those are both key to my style of music. So I had to downgrade until roland patches it, which I am sure they will. Loving my first week with the device though. It's fairly intuitive in general operation although at times it's odd - like having to hit the REMAIN button for some things that don't make sense that way. But the effects are top tier, it's a beast for the ambient style of music, what with the chromatic mode in POLY, 16 minute long pads, and beautiful effects.

How do you get into sound generator mode ?

@sunwarper

20 күн бұрын

shift + record setting

also didnt notice any envelope changes, wonder if they just failed to implement it properly or if my ears are bad

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

Yeah, seems maybe like a bug or implementation issue, we'll have to see if anything gets patched up

Thanks so much.... I'm still processing what the update means

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

It's almost 2-3 updates all in one there's so much going on! I'll be posting a few videos to create a series, with each dedicated to specific parts of the update, hope it helps :)

I sold my modular and am trying to get one for sound design. 🤔

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

Nice! The Sound Generator definitely isnt as flexible as a modular setup, but the SP's fx, sampling and other features are a sound design dream! I've got more SP sound design videos in my SP404 playlist here on the channel if you're looking for more examples of what it can do :)

ive been too busy recording loops with my sh-4d

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

Nice! Do you sync them with MIDI?

@technodrone313

Ай бұрын

@@sunwarper nope. i trust that roland uses the same clock algorythm lol but maybe ill experiment with that soon. well i have hooked both up to fl studio but i like avoiding the pc when possible.

@sunwarper can the SP-404MKII sample its line outs back into it own line ins. I ask for sound design purposes like utilizing the few input fx that cant be used otherwise. Dont want to brick my unit without asking someone.

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

I've not tried it because the record/resample workflow works just as well for me in most cases when I want more fx on a guitar than the input amp sim and 4 bus fx. It's especially doable now that the SP has set length recording/resampling as well. I would think line out to line in might work but probably with a nasty feedback loop. I had that issue when trying to record the daw into the sp back into the daw using usb-c, though I found the workaround was to mute the armed audio track and listen through the SP headphones.

I get infrequent pops and crackles over USB Audio into Ableton Live. Just bought the unit second hand with 4.04 firmware. Tried many high quality USB-C cables to my M1 Mac and no other problems with other hardware. Almost seems like the SP-404mk2 is unable to feed the USB Audio under load. Wouldn't think that would be a problem with the SD card since it uses the internal memory for everything (and formatting SD was the first thing I did when I bought the device). I'm hoping this is a bug introduced in the 4.04 firmware since that gives the possibility of it being fixed. USB for audio, MIDI, and app connectivity is so useful rather than going through an audio interface. Another problem I have is the SP-404mkII VST crashing when being removed from a track (Ableton Live, even Audacity).

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

Interesting and sorry to hear you're dealing with that. So it's not just with the live looper but at any time? Have you checked the output of the c cables you're using? I know for the SP to work properly it needs to be 1500mA I believe. I have a full video detailing the USB-C for SP, maybe it'll help. kzread.info/dash/bejne/oJ1-qtGigNHAkrQ.html If that didn't help, have you tried system and/or factory reset? I have trouble with the VST as well, typically just use it in standalone when I need it.

@SpaceshipEarthling

Ай бұрын

@@sunwarper Yes, Roland Support has indicated there's a known issue with the VST/AU plugins. I'll continue to try some other cables (these ones can all deliver >60W), or perhaps use them in conjunction with the DC power and try some higher buffer settings. I haven't had a chance to try out the Looper functionality yet - it happens with regular sample playback - randomly perhaps every couple of minutes or so for a few seconds. I should probably route the audio outputs into an audio interface at the same time just to check it is a problem with USB Audio. Thanks for your reply.

Wait…LFO. What LFO

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

On the super filter by holding the enter button. It only works on the filter cutoff, but definitely adds some magic to the sound gen

@moldythoughts4765

Ай бұрын

Wobbles

Wow this just destroyed the DJS-1000 by pioneer !!🤷🏾‍♂️

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

I'm not familiar with that one, gonna have to take a look

@bboymac84

Ай бұрын

@@sunwarper it’s dope but the stopped updating it 🤷🏾‍♂️

Thanks for the video! Not wanting to sound negative, but I am actually not that hyped about the synth feature. Even without it was always easily possible to zoom into any kind of sample almost down to a single cycle, chop, and take it from there. Maybe not SCW, but surely dual cycle waveform. Try it, its fun!

@tuesss

Ай бұрын

Same here. I'm still trying to understand what's so great about this feature, because it doesn't look like it allows me to do anything I couldn't do before. I guess it's just easier to use? Maybe I should take the risk and update the firmware at last to see for myself... That being said, the update looks great overall and I'm very glad Roland put all the effort into that, I just wonder if they could maybe spend the energy on something that was really missing instead of another way to generate sounds. Still, better to have too many than too few, I guess ;)

@jaysilence3314

Ай бұрын

@@tuesss Yes, I'm not dumping on the update at all, it is great. It is just the synth I am not very excited about. All in all still a great box, well worth the price! Do the update, it is not really a risk, isn't it?

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

Cheers! It’s not negative, we all have different things that get us hyped. The reason I find this so great is just the fact that it allows the SP to be fully standalone. If I don’t have any new sounds or sounds I like atm in the SP, I can quickly use the sound generator to make chords, bass, drums etc. that’s what gets me stoked about it. Combine that with the live looper and it’s a great idea station in and of itself now. I’ve always sampled sounds into the sp from my synths, but this just means I don’t have to if I’m not near them or just lazy haha

@sunwarper

Ай бұрын

@tuesss It’s worth checking out for everything else this update adds. If you backup the sd card, there shouldn’t be any risk and you’ll have some crazy new features like the live looper, koala integration and the sound gen!

@tuesss

Ай бұрын

@@sunwarper It was already possible to do the same thing without sampling any synths though, either by extracting single-cycle (well, several-cycle in practice) waveforms from factory samples or even *without any samples at all* by utilising internal FX to generate noise and resonances. The latter is a great way to get very interesting sounds and I'm actually glad I bought the SP before this update because that forced me to explore the possibilities in depth and made me realise things about sound I hadn't realised before :) So sometimes limitations are useful :)