I started playing Eve 2 days ago and today I was chased by a guy through 8 different systems in low sec (I started by being a industrial / miner) and it was one of the most thrilling experience of gameplay I had in like... a year lmao. And I know it's just the beggining, I already love this game and in a sense, i'm almost looking forward to see how I will lose my ship (I almost did) for the first time

@Aseroidify

2 ай бұрын

Impressive you managed to survive! I lost my first ship after 10 minute sin low-sec mining kernite, then got a friendly message with a link to a d-scan youtube video :)

@litneg4

2 ай бұрын

I knew it was a difficult game so I started while following a quick guide. It helped a lot!

@Tonnan2k

2 ай бұрын

Next level ganker actually saying what to not do to die next time🎉​@@Aseroidify

@suzukisixk7

2 ай бұрын

hope its fun for you, and its not just a suicide gate kill via somebody playing several accounts. i too love pvp, but thats not pvp

@TECHOPC

2 ай бұрын

u playing this game the right way, learn then play.

Agree with the whole video.. although i think saying playing solo is playing wrong isnt the case.. i only play solo and i absolutely love learning to succeed on my own. I love being the slippery explorer in all parts of volatile space

@mjashmore1

2 ай бұрын

A solo kill is so much more satisfying than a kill as part of a large fleet.

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

To clarify, I should have said "Playing solo when you're new" is a bad idea 😅

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

@@mjashmore1 I'm not entirely sure I agree there. It absolutely can be, for sure, but I think some of the most fun I've had PvPing are roams with my corp, Faction Warfare with a militia fleet, and hunting with Bombers Bar! That said, I've had some amazing solo experiences too. Point I'm getting at is that I don't think one or the other is better. I think they're both different, and naturally, some folks are going to end up preferring one over the other - which is fine! What's your proudest kill?

@lifesword9931

2 ай бұрын

I’ve had the most fun flying together with a friend I made in game, that said 99% of my time is solo because I can’t dedicate the time that most corps require to be accepted. I may find opportunity to play for a week or month and then not play for several months due to irl demands. Starting the Cruzakh challenge has really reinvigorated my solo play style.

@silencekarl234

2 ай бұрын

I think it’s similar to life, having no friends sucks, trying to be shallow friends with absolutely everyone is also a bad idea. Find your Eve group and make close friends that you truly enjoy doing things with.

“Stop trying to solo EVE Online, this is not a solo game. Even if you’re a multi-boxer it is still better to have real people around you too … You are playing EVE wrong - if you want a solo online experience, EVE Online is not it.” 🤮 If I had an ISK for every time I’ve heard this! I’ve been playing EVE solo since 2013 (with some long breaks of course) and I love this game. There’s been absolutely nothing in EVE that I’ve ever wanted to do or accomplish that I haven’t been able to do because I was playing solo. Also this: “These are Truths. I don’t want to hear like your opinion that I’m wrong about this. Because categorically - I know it sounds arrogant, I really know this sounds arrogant - but in this case it’s true. These aren’t opinions, right? If you disagree with any of these points, that’s not your opinion man, that’s just you being wrong.” Not arrogant at all! - just a wonderful example of misunderstanding truth, knowledge, facts, and opinions. You may be playing EVE “right,” but your epistemology is a train wreck! 🤣

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Nah, I'm just spitting facts that people want to misinterpret or misunderstand ☺️ glad you're having fun, but being solo as a new player is a bad way to try and learn the game, and you're missing out on most of what makes EVE special. That said, if you're having fun, awesome, I'm genuinely glad that you've found your fun. But it's a very niche and difficult way to play that I would never recommend for a new player

@SignificantOwl

2 ай бұрын

@@captainbenzie Jesus, you're like a textbook delusional EVE player. "I am right, if you think I'm wrong, you're just dumb and wrong." It's like nullblock propaganda, but in youtube comments.

@MaxMustermann-fq8zy

Ай бұрын

@@captainbenzie I totaly agree I would never recommend EvE for solo Players who want to start with a new game. But you can have fun at doing so. So if you ment “These are Truths. I don’t want to hear like your opinion that I’m wrong about this." only on the 3 main truths I would agree. But the solo vs multiplayer part is obviously an opinion and you CAN have a different opinion on that. All Games have ONE main purpose: to have FUN. It doesn't matter how you achieve this. But yes 90% or more of EvE is more fun to do in a group. But if you like the other 10% more and you are a solo Player, why not doing it?

"This game was made for a very specific kind of person." That's refreshing to hear for once!

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

The Devs have outright said it repeatedly

no dont find your round hole just get a bigger hammer trust me any size peg will fit with a big enough hammer.

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

😂😂

The reason I enjoy this game is that Risk that you have because the game is at it's at it's core a pvp game. When go into a wormhole in an exploration ship, knowing my ship has no teeth and no tank, hitting Data and Relic sites and avoiding folks who are trying to kill me is EXCITING!! Look at other MMO's that are safe after EVE and I find myself getting so bored and start nodding off.

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Exactly this. The thrill of being hunted ♥️

Surviving a highsec gank 1 jump from Jita in my badger, with 2.5bil in my hold and only 15% hull left... gets my blood pumping like no other games and that alone makes EvE fun for me. I wouldn't even be mad if I had lost it since I got lucky and I was careless but it was fun to see those tornados get murdered to death by Concord XD.

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

This. This is the feeling that makes EVE amazing and unique.

@MetaGuideMedia

2 ай бұрын

Why were you flying a badger with 2.5bil in it? 😅

I started playing Eve the same year that Chamber of Secrets came out. Within a year of that, when Eve was released, a battleship would be the equivalent of an expensive carrier these days, give or take. My group had trapped an enemy battleship who decided to make his way to a safe spot but didn't log off. He just sat there. This was before probes and being able to warp to people. But we still had dscan and some brains. This was also before they stopped letting you put multiple mwds and abs to ships. I made some safe spots as close to where he was as possible, got a ship that could go ludicris speed, and spent a couple hours flying towards him until he finally appeared on grid. He didn't even fight back. Prolly wasn't near the screen. But I do wonder if he said omg wtf when he got back. I wonder if he still plays. But that was fun and there are hundreds more of those types of moments as time goes on. I still "play" this spreadsheet, though.

Was that a challenge you issued at the beginning of the video? :) I think you overlooked a truth about EVE Online that for you probably is very uncomfortable. While EVE may be a PvP game, PvE players pay the bills. Just look back to the summer and fall of 2019. During the Chaos Era CCP decided to make it easier for PvP-focused players to hunt by removing local in null sec. Once it was clear local wasn't coming back, so many "carebears" told CCP to go take a hike, unsubbed, and went to play WoW Classic. CCP quickly brought back local within a few weeks. CCP's revenue really took a beating in the second half of 2019. In fact, you have to go back to 2008 to see CCP's yearly revenue below 2019's $51.1 million. And the financial records show it hasn't dipped to within 10% of that since.

@LazyActor

2 ай бұрын

quite literally a steam game that is eve offline, plenty of space games that dont have pvp, you people are such 1st dimension thinkers, all of those games are dead because without the pvp pilots there isnt much of an end game to the grind. Stop wanting your cake and eating it to, you either want your actions to matter even if they are non violent or you want to play a game where no one can be violent to you. except you dont want that game because you play eve and your not playing all the versions of space games that you claim to want. Ying and yang, push and pull, I enjoy almost all activities in eve and watching the two sides of the players base dividing themselves as enemies when no one told them to is hilariously brain dead, everyone matters, take one aspect of the playerbase out and the game will cease to function, we turn off pvp for 1 day and the economy would stop moving.

@LazyActor

2 ай бұрын

to be clear you are also correct, without the sheep the wolves starve and die, and without the wolves the sheep over populate like drones with no limits until the place they inhabit is dead. Quite literally a universal truth of biological beings even when they are simply projecting there will into a virtual space.

@JAleksandr

2 ай бұрын

Something that you may have overlooked in saying that “because local in null was removed the bears left and CCP took a hit and had to reverse…”. Is the fact that without local it would make the ability to bot and script significantly more difficult thus not economical to use that method for fully plexing all your accounts.

Talking to yourself about EVE while spinning your ship in station is peak EVE gameplay. Sillyness aside, you make some great points here. Especially about the longievity of mass-market titles vs. niche games that lean into their theme v. hard.

@captainbenzie

4 күн бұрын

Thank you 😊 honestly, I figured it would be easier to focus on my notes if I wasn't trying to rat or PvP 😂

You are right, it's basic economics, things explode and get more expensive. Also, yeah EVE is a PVP niche full loot hardcore game and should keep being that way. But I think many times when people are complaining about ganking they are not necessarily looking through that point of view or ignoring those very valid reasons that you are right about. (I also work in the games industry but I don't think that should weight on my reasoning being right or wrong, just consider my reasoning and not who I am) We can increase costs pulling many levers on the economy and we can make the game risky in many ways. The problem I see here is what levers and in what ways the game is 'dangerous'. Making transport more costly will make things cost more, sure, BASIC ECONOMICS. But it's also basic economics knowing that the effect of costly/risky transport is going to be freezing people and assets in certain areas making many parts of space more empty because moving ends up not being worth it or too much of a hassle. We can increase costs in other ways so players move and make the universe more populated, making the game better with better content and also making people who like pvp search for more interesting and challenging content instead of camping a gate and "mining salt". I think reducing any complaints about ganking as "waaaahh I am too bad! I like Sonic this game EVE is too hard for me", is making a bad faith simplification of a problem that is not so simple and easy to solve, proof of that is that we have many 10+ year veterans that still play and love EVE and are against ganking too. 'basic economics' is a term used frequently but economics is far from a simple subject and any change on any lever has a chain of effects that comes from it good and bad.

@suzukisixk7

2 ай бұрын

i see a lot of games run into these problems and im not sure why the PVP is so necessary as to punish the other parts of the game that people seem to want to play. i can sum this up pretty easily as i have for past games by just saying... "if they allow people to just avoid pvp too many will" notice this is something that doesnt apply to actual pvp games like mobas, arena, RTS games as everybody is there for pvp. this argument comes into play when some people are there for pvp and need to disallow anybody else to avoid it. the simple fact that if they allowed people to avoid pvp they would, means that more people are on my side of this. edit - they could have a specific area for pvp that way pvp is consensual...but for some reason the people who claim to love pvp are strongly against this. because they dont want pvp they want squash matches to laugh about in discord.

@space_ghost2809

2 ай бұрын

​@@suzukisixk7 Exactly. I play mostly in WormHoles and I love EVE for 10+ years now. So this game is for me and I like the dangerous hardcore aspect of it. BUT at the same time I dislike ganking and I think it's bad for the game in general. Completely opting out of PVP might not be for EVE but I think at least some aspects of it could be tunned in for the health of the game.

@suzukisixk7

2 ай бұрын

@@space_ghost2809 wormholes should be hardcore, the gate to sell your loot from that very activity shouldnt be.

@suzukisixk7

2 ай бұрын

@@space_ghost2809 ill start accepting arguments like in this video when EVE starts making youtube adds about gate camping.... until then everybody pretending thats a great part of the game is just self justifying

@space_ghost2809

2 ай бұрын

@@suzukisixk7 true, also when people justify it by saying the game should have risk and danger... what is the risk gankers have? Losing some catalysts? Please.

I love gankers trying to kill my abyssal ship only for their coercers to be greeted by my two alts brick tanked 1000 dps suicidal brutixes which promptly suicide gank their entire fleet of ganking coercers. Survive better, gank the ganker 😂😊 Not even gankers are safe!

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Amen to this!!

@Amathylar

2 ай бұрын

@@captainbenzie Yep, if they bring Taloses to gank, then Nagas will be their hosts.

I play Eve sporadically and I play it like a survival Game. Dayz in space. I play solo. How long can I survive. That’s my fun. Someone or something must have triggered you bud. Love the videos btw.

Spinning an Ishtar with a short point on it is the best content in Eve.

Great video. I find myself thinking these things occasionally, but I’ve had experiences that make me realize I wouldn’t be playing this if it didn’t have this realism. It was only by losing a ship and finding that I could learn how to avoid it that I had fun. It has been years since a game provided me an experience like this and it’s worth having, worth keeping. Thanks for your videos.

To finding our round hole! 😥 🍻....Also, only Sith deal in absolutes...Great video as always!

If you disagree with my opinion it's fact and your wrong even if you disagree... let's get started

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Ah, the modern issue of "everyone's opinion counts and is equal". When asking questions about how a car works, do you trust a mechanic or some random guy from next door? Expertise counts. And this is an area in which I have expertise.

@Megagon10k

2 ай бұрын

@captainbenzie you are spouting OPINION, as a software engineer and game designer I believe I am capable of speaking as the expert on this topic.

@Megagon10k

2 ай бұрын

@@captainbenzie I didn't invalidate your opinion, I only stated it's an opinion :-)

@Megagon10k

2 ай бұрын

@@captainbenzie for what it's worth I agree with the opinion that Eve is currently a niche game

i didnt see the other vids and i dont see a reason to call it high sec if its not and why would it ruin the game?

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

It's High Security, not Total Security. We saw this in EVE Echoes where you cannot shoot other players in Hisec. A large community forms where they farm entirely safely. They never have to buy anything, replace anything. They have their ship and they just grind isk like a high score. This floods the game with ISK, with Hisec ores, with modules etc. those ores and modules become saturated and worthless. ISK deflates in value dramatically, which in turn causes PLEX to skyrocket in price, making Omega near impossible to PLEX. You end up making it impossible to Omega without swiping, players leave, and CCP loses money because the PLEX market is what makes the most cash for them. It utterly destroyed Echoes

@sonofcolossus7766

2 ай бұрын

@@captainbenzie ok, thx for your explaination

WE NEED MORE GAMES THAT APPEAL TO CERTAIN PEOPLE! EVE ONLINE, HELLDIVERS 2, ELDEN RING, ETC. THESE ARE THE GAMES WORTH PLAYING.

Boy, I was PISSED losing my first OMEN. I'm out for revenge (which is best served COLD) but I'm taking my time - cool, calm, and collected - I guess that's what your video elaborates upon.

@captainbenzie

8 күн бұрын

Exactly!

Sir, you get a like and a sub purely for the passion in your voice when you talk about Eve! 😀 It’s great to see/hear, and makes me want to jump back in (again) to the void! Keep up the awesome content mate 👍

Started EVE 2003/09/09 and never cared much about the pvp, but after moving to my new home in null i do take part a lot more in home defense at least, not so much going out hunting. Will a round Womhole work? :)

based vid! 4th unpopular truth would be that eve players in general aren't as good or as smart as they think of themselves, and there are highsec miners and F1 monkeys who unironically look down on other MMO's while in reality what they do in EVE is not too different to games our grandparents play via facebook

@captainbenzie

27 күн бұрын

Oof, truth 😅

I would not mind more instanced content like deadspace but even then when you pop out of the last room, you can still be killed that's part of the game.

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Exactly, and high risk too

Thanks for this video Cap. I lost a brand new cyclone i just bought, along with about a billion isk worth of ships, lost drugs, etc. just fighting in a fw system this week, and was feeling kind of down after i got spearfished and killed by a gang of frigates off the dock with my buddy 300m away helplessly watching as they killed me pretty pitifully. Ive been playing the game a few months, and though ive learned alot i was feeling pretty bad. someone else there in system gave me some similiar advice, and honestly up until that point i had a lot of fun with the other fights, but it sucks when you think you know enough to make a decent fit, and are confident in it just to be blown to hell in 4 seconds and youre back to being broke lol. really its just bittersweet and thats why this video was perfect timing. Thanks for all the content. i know i have to get better if this game is going to remain fun for me

@captainbenzie

23 күн бұрын

That does suck, and I've been there myself 😅 that said, I agree, accept that it happens, and try again 😉

@clauswobbe1

18 күн бұрын

@@captainbenzie I can relate. I was knocked out after a couple month's of playing as well - went away for 1 entire year, and is now back :-)

I played another pvp-oriented game that suddenly flipped to actively discouraging pvp to keep new players interested. Newer people stayed longer but about half of the established playerbase quit on the spot 😶‍🌫️ I got into eve shortly after and have been having a great time!

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Exactly what would happen here too. Which game btw?

Great talk. Twenty years ago, I played another "niche" game and I was completely hooked. Over the years, that particular game completely lost it's appeal to me because the developers did just what you described; they tried to make the game appeal to everyone. Eve definitely has the right recipe for success. For years I avoided playing Eve because I did not like the idea of permanent ship loss. Now that I play Eve and have totally fallen in love with it, I understand why permanent ship loss is central to the game mechanics and economy, plus since I spend a good bit of my time mining tritanium producing ore, I'm perfectly fine with players blapping each other's ships day after day. 🤣😂

“Trust me bro, my relationship failed; I obviously never lose an argument and am always right.”

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

You know you're making a valid argument when you have to make personal attacks and go for low blows. 😂 I really hope that you can heal from whatever horrid thing happened to you to make you so aggressive and nasty to random strangers on the internet. Nobody deserves to carry that kind of anger and hurt with them, you deserve love too.

Is eve online worth getting into in 2024? Ive tried to get into it a few times before but the time gated progression trough tech levels is one of the biggest turn offs for me along with having to pay a monthly subscription to be actually able to play the game.

@kr4ftt

2 ай бұрын

tbh with you, yes, this is the best time to try eve. Not because of the reasons people will tell you... The reason is the new player experience inproved so freaking much over the past few years... You never feel lost, there is always something to do and the tracking of it is crazy... Then and then you can find what tickles your mind, be it industrialism, pve, pvp, exploration... that kind of thing... The only real "gate" that I consider now is the industrial one, but for a good reason: Today you cannot be really competitive nor profitable by trying to create stuff, otherwise the economy would go to sh* :D all other "professions" in game you can kinda grasp, and homefront ops are a good way to start. My goto for new players: 1- do the carreer missions, 2- do the sister of eve epic arc 3- get into a corp to do homefront ops :) after that the game is yours

@ilyabakh

2 ай бұрын

honest answer, probably not. The only way you would ever "enjoy" it is you instantly join some of the bigger alliances/corps in null, rush into their space, start farming drone escalations and selling them. Imho but it's the only realistic way to somewhat learn eve without getting popped the moment you gather the smallest amount of isk for basic ship progress. There's so many people out there who have been skilling for decade that in this rock/paper/scissors pvp and ganking game you don't really stand a chance for a very extended period of time without some real protection. High sec just is both boring AND very dangerous

@mine7417

2 ай бұрын

Eve is a great game, but it's not really a game designed for casual players. Everything in the game takes time be it gathering resources, progressing skills, or building ships and items. But I will tell you that with the right group of people it's an absolutely awesome experience. Give it a shot. Find a corp see if it clicks with you. If not, try another. Eventually you'll find something you enjoy.

@MrRehin

2 ай бұрын

It took me 3 previous attempts where I didn't really get past or used to the UI. The 4th time was around September last year. Spent about 2000 hours playing since. Once you find what you like to do and a group to roll with it's a fantastic game. For me this was a smaller group in low sec that offer a large amount of things to do be it ratting, mining, small and large group PvP, scanning and hacking. Sure it's not the null battles with trillions of isk in losses but those can be a bit overwhelming for someone new. I would definetly say its never to late to start. ❤

@neverlookbackwilly

2 ай бұрын

bro, i joined last month and played for a month with omega. u need a whole fleet to even move 500M between Jita and a hisec, plus the time sink, isn't a game for a guy that works and has just 2 or 3 hours to play the lack of solo content made me unsub

I fully agree with you Benzie , but what i would say is that , this game still has so much more potential and so much it can still be added to it , But i would love the game till my last breath on this earth . Time invested game !

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, definitely loads that can be added but within that niche design goal

CCP only went plus 2023 by cryptocurrency sale outside of Eve. Right now Eve is not profitable. It's a sinking ship, saved only by pearl abyss. While i don't think Eve should change its identity. It is clear that it struggles immensely to attract new players and retain returning ones. And that's counting in the effects of the ludicrous price hike of Omega. The old dogs of EVE and CCP themself can resist change all they want. A large number of players want change, and there's a huge market out there to appeal to while still retaining the spirit off EVE and its niche. There's a large spectrum, not a binary scale in which EVE can evolve within. Or CCP can remain Impervious to any and all change and in a few years i'll watch the Benzie youtube video about EVEs greatest moments before the server closed down... for good.

@Mike-ce2nk

2 ай бұрын

Are the changes you want to make going to attract and keep enough players to offset the losses in dedicated players who've spent a lot of money and time that like the game more the way it is? This is the dilemma every MMO faces long-term. Watch Josh Strife Hayes re: how MMO's generally are not a profitable model in the 2020's - Eve is a niche market within a niche market. I love it but it will only ever appeal to thousands, not millions. They can bend the revenue curve by changing pricing, subscription terms etc... It does not require changing the gameplay in radical ways to chase mass appeal.

@mariuspuiu9555

2 ай бұрын

"Right now Eve is not profitable" - eve online as a standalone product is profitable. CCP itself isn't profitable because they've invested a lot of money into new IP (like the new shooter, new beta test this weekend)

@Friskni

2 ай бұрын

you doing realise as well that being profitable also means being taxable and therefore most companies do not aim to be profitable intentionally.

I've been following your posts on KZread for quite a while now. I am (like many of your other fans, most likely) thrilled by your way of accompanying this unique "niche game" with such enthusiasm, almost autobiographically. Now to the actual point. Yes, I agree with you on all three of your points! The game is and remains a unique gem among MMO games in the context of space simulation. It is a pure PVP game and thrives on a few players willing to invest. I've been playing since 2008, and in my early days, I had a few problems understanding the game in its entirety - I've started to enjoy the game's many nooks and crannies. Despite my resilience in the face of the usual "problems", a few points drive me crazy! Firstly, the killboard-junkie attitude ... I have often experienced how, during various short talks, the self-inflicted bad scoring in this meta-crawler is taken as an opportunity to make fun of players, even though (according to your explanations) it shouldn't matter. On the other hand, many players see this game as a kind of Second Live, especially those who want to play CEO in a smaller corporation. That's one of the biggest problems in the game. Anyway, I just wanted to "vent". Thanks for your great videos-please keep them coming!

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Thank you ☺️ and yes, I agree about the Kill boards. I lost the first Mamba to PvE and was heavily mocked for it, despite it being because I had the balls to push an expensive new ship to its limits to see what it could do. Over the years, I've had numerous people use my Zkillboard as a "gotcha", which is just weird. 😂

Cap'n B, a really good job here so thanks. My guess is that something like my experience is really rare across gaming. Played intensely for about 5 years, waking up in middle of night to check skill queue and all, not that I still didn't, well, suck, at it . . . Then, IRL had the audacity to mess with me and I faded away. And now, over 7 years later, I decided to come back. How often does that happen in gaming? Not rhetorical--you know, I don't. And when I came back, CCP just friggin' restored everything I had spread all over New Eden. I'm very impressed. But I'm also a bit scared--when I played before I was a busy working person, but now, I-socalled-RL, I'm retired and there's no real limit, no reason to ever log out. So, even though I'm embarrassed by how bad I am at the core pvp, the recognition I'll probably never be even adequate, no less elite, I still really wanna get . . . better. I like this niche.

I can easily agree with the three unconfortable truth you talk about. Personally my only problem is the fact that the game request too much of my lifetime to earn enough to buy ships I lost and plex the omega account. It's a kind of second work I don't want and can't do. I'm desperatly searching for a good solution to earn enough but if it simply doesn't exist I think I have to give up with Eve after almost eight years and this make me really sad

@captainbenzie

6 күн бұрын

This comes with time. Nowadays, I'm playing a few hours here and there and still earning my ship costs within an hour.

@alessandrocrea3737

6 күн бұрын

@@captainbenzie is it possible to know how?

@captainbenzie

6 күн бұрын

@@alessandrocrea3737 for me, through C3 ratting or Abyssal Deadspaces.

😂 I found my round hole lol. I’m loving this type of content. I moved to null so I don’t have to worry about checking this screen and I can just listen. Also totally agree with you.

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Glad you've found your fun!

@FunkYoLifeUp

2 ай бұрын

@@captainbenzie 2 years and running. No plans on leaving. love your content dude! Keep at it! :)

Thank you for your shared enthusiasm Captain!

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for your support!! 🚀♥️

If ccp has not tried to attract a wider player base to eve, what's vanguard?

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

A different game 😉

@Someblindkid2074

2 ай бұрын

@@captainbenzie is that why you need omega sub to eve?

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

@@Someblindkid2074 well, firstly, that's just for the beta. We don't know about launch 😉

Playing EVE Online while listening to these "talking points" videos is a really interesting way to play lol I agree with everything said including the round hole... I've also had the most fun in the game when the stakes are the highest, exe. going into wormholes with ships worth almost 100mil. I've also had a load of fun as part of a corp. but it's sooo hard finding a good corp anymore.. I enjoy all aspects of the game from the PVE to the PVP I've gotten pretty good at evading other players but never dabbled too much in actually sticking around to finish the fight. In my personal experience with EVE (off and on for 15 years) I've had more luck in PVE than PVP. In my case everyone has to find their niche within a niche game. very good points in here and very well said.

So true.. but i still hate when i lost my Gilas.... btw.. what is the most popular ship in your opinion? !!! Great Videos !!!

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Ishtar, as far as I can tell.

very good and honest talk! as a 12 year old eve player, i agree with everything.

@captainbenzie

25 күн бұрын

Thank you 😊

Great thoughts Benzie, been following you since eve echoes - love your vision of this game

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

Great job of setting these truths in plain sight. I agree with everything you’ve said. I hope it has helped folks to save time and money in deciding whether they are going to stay or leave.

"Stop watching Pornhub and going AFK in Nullsec" i felt that lol

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

😬

Benzie, mate, you do need to learn a lot. Starting a video: I am right and if you disagree you are wrong. Hit like and sub. Lol

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Been doing this seven years, and it's my main income, pays the bills. I know what I'm doing 😋

I do agree to these facts. Started playing in 2020 and had a pause of 2 years. The fact that destruction and all those things to it affects most is necessary for everyone to succeed.Nowadays I do Wh stuff with a fleet of friends.

I just love the ships design and all the complicated stuff for it to work. I need to upgrade my PC so I can use Windows 10 optimally and then come back to Eve Online.

Just recently came back to eve, I've never gotten very far in it (mainly because every time I end up starting a new character to re learn how to play lol) but I always enjoy it. I find it funny that the two games I play the most right now are eve online and elite dangerous, two games that are old as hell. Lol

@captainbenzie

Ай бұрын

Welcome home!!

I couldn't agree with you more. The risk is what makes the game even worth playing

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Amen to that!!

Love your vids... ty for what you do...

@captainbenzie

Ай бұрын

Really glad you're enjoying 😊

"Get better!" lol - yeah, exactly. That's why I watch your vids man!

@captainbenzie

25 күн бұрын

😂

It's probably the one of few games closest to real life and world's economy.. everyone getting up in the morning to go to a job/their own business, every time they leave the house, they become a target, if one lose their ship, there's that, gone for good.. so on and so forth.. only the concept of death is what separates the game from real life, probably

When I first joined a nullsec alliance and we went out and got jumped by Carriers and then more people came and it escalated to absolute mayhem was a lot of fun. However, the most astonishing part and the part that has remained in my memory for so long is after the fight, where everyone was - thank you, good fight, lets do it again tomorrow, awesome job team and so on. There was no anger or crying or copmplaining about what was lost, it was pure fun and everyone wanted to do it again. Thats EVE!

I played EVE literally 10 years ago. My favorite memory is doing a race through low and null sec space with my corpies. We all took Tristans, a planned route, first one back to Hi Sec won a ship. I won, somehow. Everyone else got ganked. I made sure to dodge the interdiction bubbles by bouncing off random moons before warping to the next gate.

OMG - bestest, funniest, most LOL-worthy video about Eve Online I've ever come across. Please continue, and don't change a thing!

@captainbenzie

Ай бұрын

Haha thank you

I enjoy EVE Online solo, but then again I also enjoyed getting 99 mining and woodcutting in Old School RuneScape so I'm definitely not the typical case.

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Lmao wow 😂

Agree so much on the specialized games. I understand developers want to cover as much of a market as possible, but their games just get forgotten as they don't stand out. I would rather have 10 completely different games so i can choose one, instead of 10 clones. Better to be a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a big pond :)

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Exactly this

total up all the time players spend in eve. is more spent doing pvp, or pve? yeah....its not even close. when determining what the game is or needs, id think what the majority want should factor in.

Good video, someone had to say this stuff!

@captainbenzie

Ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Loosing ships gives points to the AIR carrier program. EVE is quiet comfortable nowadays: I remember times we lost skill points by getting podded if used the wrong clone, or loosing skill points by loosing strategic cruisers - times pass by...

😂 I'll never forget how I mined a0 null border ore anomalies and got jumped by a Flycatcher and bubbled for the first time! Little did they know that a Miasmos full of millions of ore was sitting at a safe in the system.

@oscarpalacios7828

2 ай бұрын

Nice story, please provide more details

20:20 iam currently at the point where i still press V when iam docked :D

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

😂

I've had a character training for a long while and I got into PI and I enjoy wormhole stuff but a few times I tried to get involved with communities I was sitting in an empty discord that basically said it was alive lol and I still ended up alone anyways and with a full time job and family I need a group that understands that as well.

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Try Catskull 😉

Lol I love your passion for this game. Keep up the great work.

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Thank you

Its true, i life in wormholes and have for a very long time. Yes i have taken breaks because we all need to but its a very fun game. I have niche toons for either wormhole life and recently working on a mission runner. All aspects of the game is extremely fun to me and I will always play but with breaks here and there.

Another fantastic video. I love that you call these uncomfortable truths but after nearly 20 years in EVE I'm thinking... no. No I'm quite comfortable with these truths hah, these are the rules of the universe I love more than ours 😅

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

EVE is a niche game that should remain PVP-focused but shouldn’t be stagnant. It should always adapt. You used Fortnite as an example. It remained PVP-focused but removed building and to much appreciation by many. Allowing more people to see how great EVE as a game is can only be good. More players add a lot to a pvp-focused game.

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Oh absolutely should not stagnate, but it must remain within the tight confines of what makes the game unique

I originally started playing Eve in 2018. I gave it a solid try for maybe 6-8 months. Got bored and gave it up. Came back a year or two later to try again. Made a new character. But this time I got into an active Corp. and I’ve been playing. This is not a solo game. It’s meant to be played with others.

@captainbenzie

Ай бұрын

Exactly. It CAN be soloed, but that's an advanced play style for folks who already have a firm understanding of the game

😂 Yes Benzie, this is absolutely true. I enjoyed and this needs to be learned!

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Thank you

If you want a "solo EVE Online experience" then play Astrox Imperium. That said, I mostly play solo, but the experiences I have as a solo pilot are NOT things I could have in a fully NPC-driven game. I absolutely love X4 Foundations, but find myself bouncing between it and EVE Online because, between the two of them, I get most of my space game fill in. I really do miss Westwood's Earth and Beyond though.

I think like you kinda touched on. Gaming companies are getting to big like Path Of Exile is a good example it started off as a small company who was passionate about making an amazing arpg vs larg companies like Activision blizzard who released Diablo 4 and everyone hates it because they trying to make a game for everyone and the throw in greedy cash grabs on top it

just reinstalled after a year off, just felt you might like to know that I looked up if you still play before even playing myself. you're a part of the world, if we still had walking in stations you should be on the ingame TV ;)

Go find your round hole!! love it, but sound advice summed up well, hard for allot of people to hear but if they could follow your advice everyone would be happier, well done

Ive played the game off and on since 2009 (main character over 100M SP and Mining alt is around 40M) I have killed no one, I have only lost ships from players 3 times. Yes, I'm a Pacifist. I have lived WH, Null sec and mostly HS. I would say just because you could be attacked by someone, I'm not sure if that constitutes as PVP. The classification of PVP I think needs to be discussed on a definition.

Im an New to eve, I love it !!! Ist Like real Life!!! But Virtual, Like you Said learn, and get competent, and provoke mistakes to master them and knowing how to even use a mistake to get better.

Nothing says that someone lacks the confidence in their arguments more than saying "don't argue with me bro, just trust that I'm right!". Especially odd to make that claim and then proceed to make a number of errors talking about economics and game design. A true high sec for those that wanted it, as well as providing a chill space for more PvP orientated players to occasionally just relax in would be fine. The opinions of gankers -- who make a big deal about "nowhere should be risk free" while trying to engage in what is some of the lowest risk gaming in EVE -- can safely be ignored. Far too many sad acts playing EVE who think their version of fun should be the only acceptable method.

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

You've missed the points profoundly. If you have an argument about farming, do you listen to the farmer, or the guy who lives next to a farm? There's a fine line between arrogance and expertise. I'm not confident enough to be arrogant, but I do know this shit. And you're 100% wrong about Hisec. Tomorrow's video addresses that. Anyone making the argument that "Hisec could be completely safe and it would be fine" does not understand the game at all. We have seen exactly that experiment play out in EVE, and it ABSOLUTELY FUCKED the game totally. Tune in tomorrow and I'll explain fully.

@ilyabakh

2 ай бұрын

@@captainbenzie No it's you who is taking it too far. The effect on the economy all of high sec has is next to none. The real isk is made in null and everybody knows that. Majority of price hikes and inflation in the game were caused by optimised c5 ratting/abyss/escalation 10 running and just plain botting. Some dudes farming l4 in peace in high sec isn't even close to being a dent on the economy, same as some other dudes in 5 mill fits insta popping these newbies carrying 150 mil to jita ALSO has next to no effect on the economy besides making that new player quit the game and never come back. I don't get how can people still be making these points, like a guy making something like 25 mill an hour in high sec is somehow a threat to the economy and inflation, while another guy making 1.2+ bill per hour or even more solo perfectly save in corp space in null is not, like what. You can have 40 newbies farming eyes closed and they still won't even match this other guy in Null. I'm NoT ArRoGaNt aM RiGHt. If you have to say it, you most certainly are :) You make some fair points, but also some that aren't at all. High sec never had a high influence of eve economy as a whole. Never.

@LazyActor

2 ай бұрын

"while trying to engage in what is some of the lowest risk gaming in EVE -- can safely be ignored. " you reside in a single slice of an entire pie and the result is you think this is the the form of pvp people choose, I cant even explain why you cant see beyond that because you literally lack knowledge found in the rest of the pie. So leave your wormy little safe zone, join a corp and ask how do I kill people, then go see how easy and risk free it is kid.

@sovietbear5163

2 ай бұрын

*grabs a popcorn*

@LandoCalrissiano

2 ай бұрын

Hisec gankers are an important part of the game. Just git gud bro.

mining next to the big trade hubs makes high sec more risky than low sec, so im now mining faaaar away from jita in low sec. its very quiet there

Started EVE late in 2004. Have played/tried hundreds of games since. While other games were fun I always itched to play EVE but didn’t think I had the time. Came back recently after a 11 year break, and cannot figure out why I ever left. “Destruction is necessary”. Purest truth.

When I started playing Eve a few years ago I was given 2 tips. 1: never fly a ship you can't afford to lose. 2: have at least 4-5 times more ISK than the ship you fly is worth. I've found those tips to work great. Losing a ship will still suck but it's not like you can't do your thing at all anymore. For the new players: push though the steep learning curve. You'll learn eventually. Try different ways of earning ISK, pick the ones you like and get going. Having thicker wallet ingame makes Eve more enjoyable experience.

I start Player EVE online yesterday. I saw benzies Videos why he leave Eve Echos and opened my eyes. Eve online is After years of updates so a good Game. I used the ref link :P thank u for your Support for the ppl

@captainbenzie

Ай бұрын

Well said! And welcome home!

Very true. If there's no stakes, there's no point trying. New people leaving EVE is not an issue, as the old EVE saying goes, when someone leaves EVE to play WoW, average IQ in both games rises.

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

I do love that saying.

Summary: Don’t die alone in a square hole.

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

EVE's story is actually really deep, it's just that the game is not good at telling it. Someone could probably take the Empyrean Age book and turn it into an HBO special and it would be just as popular as Game of Thrones. Also, players are part of the history of EVE, things that the players have done are literally part of the lore.

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

EVEs story is fantastic, I've done videos about it, exploring it, and in places expanding it. The game is great at telling it, but it's like the Souls games - subtle. It's not World of Warcraft "You are the hero, strap into the rollercoaster, watch the cut scenes". It's a lived world. Just as my hometowns amazing history isn't happening right now or explained by the locals as you walk through, you have to go looking for it.

My round hole is now a Worm Hole !!

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

😂

Only thing i slightly disagree with and its not one of your 3 major points but this game can be played and played well solo for those hardcore players who are introverts out there. Although you should try to suck it up an join a new player corp just to get the basics first before going out on your own.

@captainbenzie

21 күн бұрын

That was my point. Design intent and possibility are two separate things. You can solo, but as a newer payer, I don't think you should 😊

Interesting video, I've been on eve for about 6 years . There is a lot of potential bullying in Eve, hence no-one talks on local.

Loved this video. This is exactly what I told my buddy.

I think I found the hole for me... and it leads to Thera :D

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Awesome!!

For those that don't want to look another video: Clarelam is what we call a highsec island in EE, a high security system (no PvP) that's isolated from the others by 2 low sec jumps, because of this, all the high security missions from the faction spawn inside of it and you can just farm them easily without risk, adding this with the "AI" nanocore = isk for no effort or risk.

Yep. Conclusion? Eve is my round hole! 😅

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

😂

“Find your round hole…” 😭… This video is what happens when you drink and press record. You can hear the liquid sloshing in glass… please don’t hit record when ur drinking. Point 4 is the same as your point 1. You need an outline. By the way I agree with your points. 1. It’s a niche game 2. It’s a pvp game 3. Destruction is necessary. Which one is more important? Yes.

@captainbenzie

20 күн бұрын

I use an outline, I wasn't drinking (I don't drink...) and I didn't give a fourth point.

That’s why I love industry. Always hated losing ships, but I love creating them and giving them to people who love to get out there all for a good amount of ISK and a sense of reliability when they need another fitted ship.

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. Losing your own ships can suck, so the trick is making sure you don't lose yours - not making the game safer!

😂 it's true, it's the reason I like it and also the reason why sometimes I need a brake from eve and come back years later ^^

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

So true!

If any of you are wondering what kind of gamers enjoy Eve I can tell you myself, I love Eve because it is really the only game on the market that levies consequences for bad decisions. due to the fact that in game currency can literally pay your subscription, In game losses can actually be given a RL monetary value. Don't let that scare you like Benzie just did. I will promise you this. There are a lot more people in Eve who are Lucky and just street wise than there are good PVPers. I suck at PVP but to counter that I have gotten really efficient at being slippery LOL

@Beer-Filter

2 ай бұрын

I will add to my above post that the base in this game are mature and good people. The nicest people I have met in Eve are also the people who destroyed my most expensive ships. If you can fly your pod home with a smile on your face despite losing your Faction fit Stratios because the 3 people who caught you not paying attention were so nice about shitting on your day then you will fit in fine :D

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely agree with all of this

Take a deep breath benzie, I hope you feel better for the sudo rant pal! I’ve been back just over a year and I don’t often pvp. However I understand the reality that you can and will be killed at any point and so I adjust my evelife to suit. if you go in with the mindset that your going to die in whatever activity you choose then I think ways of limiting my risk and hey I might just survive. I don’t expect to but I’ve noticed I’ve adjusted my playstyle. If you can’t do that and learn then yes go play something else because all you do is become good for people. I’m not saying I die every day, but I die often enough to teach me a lesson in not getting lazy and losing focus

eve gives me a rush like no other game has, flying through a gate camp with a proto cloak while people were trying to decloak me was hectic and an adrenalin rush.

Niche game = “a game that not everyone is going to like.” Ugh… that’s every game ever! The thing I like about Eve is that it mimics the real world in a lot of ways. Wars are fought over resources and politics. Cargo ships sink at sea. Markets in eve are practically identical to that of the real world. I would wager you could play Eve, and obtain life long skills you can apply in the real world. Hunt or be hunted! I don’t think Eve is dying at all. State your evidence. I came back to the game after ten years and I’m still having a blast. … to be continued.

@captainbenzie

25 күн бұрын

To clarify, a lot of modern games aren't niche, think of the Call of Duty, Fortnite kind of games. Things like Assassin's Creed etc, designed to appeal to as wide a base as possible. And no, EVE isn't dying. That's just a meme 😊

Fyi, spacebar is a great alternative for dscan rather than v.

"... Eve is dying, It's been dying since 2003..." Yep, I've been hearing that since 2013, still hear it 'til this day and yet it keeps moving along and is still here and I will probably be here with it until the end (either mine or the games). Granted, i may not play all the time or consecutively in any meaningful stretches but I am still here. Love the creator content and all you hard work. Keep it up and I hop to see tons more. Ciao for now and fly safe Captain. o7

@captainbenzie

2 ай бұрын

Thank you ☺️

This is the best game, I regret not sticking to it 10 years ago, and 20 years ago lol but I'm here for good

I've played solo for 10 yrs and have enjoyed playing it wrong all the while. I hope to catch you in wormhole space 😂😂