Thanks for visiting! See you in space! Maybe we will see a FRT video soon ?

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

Hello 4s CEO. You really have a very good group together at 4s. Totally relaxed and super nice people. Thank you for the extremely good support. The Karma guys don't like the feedback on the recruitment channel at all while you and 4s are relaxed and chilled...keep that running. FRAT? Aren´t they chinese Players? idk.

@nepenthefin9286

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb KF is a good bunch too :) on the other note, FRT has some international corps too, not just chinese, mayde you'll take a look. Take care!

@sidrat2009

Ай бұрын

@@nepenthefin9286 When it comes to member corps I know they have their own identity and as a KF member I can join any corp Jabber channel at will, just like everyone else. There may be differences but when necessary it's the alliance that stands together as one. At least as long as you can make it. No one wants to give up their family or sleep time for an MMO any more. But if you do, you do you. You don't have to unless you want to.

Wasn't a Goons fan (not a Horde fan, actually just not a null fan) BUT Asher reaching out to ask for outside views of what's good and bad! That's a solid leader. Shame self reflection like that isn't what some CEO's of massive real companies have! Got to give Asher piles of respect and it's kind'a changed my view to the point I was flirting with the idea of maybe putting one of my toons in it to see for myself and if any good put my main in!

@mikspurins1455

2 ай бұрын

I've been flirting with the idea as well. Two groups I've enjoyed flying with are currently under Goons/Init as well, so there's that incentive as well... On the other hand - the chat/discord clutter were some of my least favorite things in my Null past. While you want to stay up to date, simply doing so can easily eat up tons of time...

@iShaymus

2 ай бұрын

As someone who has been in goons for over a decade I can say confidently that the culture has changed quite a bit since Asher took over. Almost all of the toxicity has gone (at an organizational level, there are still dickheads everywhere in life). Things are in a very upbeat and positive place. Nobody will yell at you for losing expensive things or making dumb mistakes. You can basically do what you like within pretty loosely defined rules (don't shoot blues, don't be a dick).

@dantehajime709

2 ай бұрын

Been with Karma fleet for over half a year now and it's the best Eve career move I made. Everyone is really nice and helpful and there's always something to do.

@saintg4fun829

2 ай бұрын

Keep boot licking, boot licker.

@McPossumm

2 ай бұрын

Joined goons almost a year ago. One of the best moves I've made. Considering the bad image left from the Mitani, my experience so far has been amazing. Everyone has been friendly.

Good early experience review. You are right that nowadays there are fewer differences among nullsec groups. However, as someone with 2+ years first in Horde and then in Goons I found both the Horde and Goons videos lacking. It is unfair to you to expect more detail and depth from a short-term review so here are some of the biggest differences in my experience: 1.- Moments. Asher is exactly right in pointing out the importance of moments in Eve. Both organizations provide epic moments for the story of the individual player but Goons is much better at it. The choices that Goon leaders through time have made consistently lead to large epic stories that fill a unique mythology in gaming. The military moments from m2 to the fall of bob are well documented but there are myriad industrial, financial, diplomatic, political and espionage plots too. There is no facet of gameplay that has not been used to further the sovereign goals of the Imperium and its members. I wish you had seen Delve before the war. A true empire pumping at its cenit. The largest and most sophisticated player economy attached to an enormous and professional military. Together capable of violently imposing the will of the state on our enemies. Your review comes essentially at what is London in the 1950s for Goons. A victorious but wounded state renewing its leadership and how it thinks of itself. It does not help that CCP decided through scarcity that the tools of sovereignty we rely and wish for are unavailable. Horde does (copies) some of those things too mind you, but it is far worse at distributing those experiences to its members due to the points I mention below. 2.- Source and distribution of power. Fundamentally power in Horde flows down from leadership to the membership. It is a much more hierarchical society. Goons are not completely bottom up either but on relative terms corp CEOs, SIG leaders and recognized useful members are much more powerful and trusted than in Horde. This is primarily due to the flow of money. Historically in PL/NC/Horde money flows into the organization not through the members but through renting, the TTT and the AT. All are forms of top down income leaving a small elitist cadre of people who do not much care for sovereignty gameplay in charge. This leads to misaligned interest between leadership and members and therefore choices that result in poorer moments and stories than Goons. 3.- Trust. In order to compete with Goons, PL copied karmafleet and brave and created Horde with a more open style of membership. This accessible PvP you Monica enjoy so much. Then, it went beyond that and made Horde Inc completely open. This only furthers the stratification problem of Horde and it once again leads to greater distance from leadership to membership. Goons are much more committed to a united idea of empire and doing good by our brothers in arms. It requires more verification processes and that trust be distributed more evenly even when you get burned (Jay) but this is an institutional cost we gladly afford. Admittedly the trust difference is harder to ascertain without having been in Horde recently. It may have changed. 3.- Organization. Finally, another big difference between the space alliances is the function of the specialized groups within. Logistics, coord, black hand, gsisk, theta, delta, cd etc. They are always driving the meta. Again Horde does have some of this but it is just not as good. Horde often understaffs its equivalent orgs purposefully because it does not trust its members enough. This not only means there often are single point of failures in the institution but that the task is not trusted to be completed right so it must be checked again. I could point out many examples but suffice to say that during my time in Horde Gobbins' complaints of having to micromanage were constant. On the Goon side I will give you one example. During the last big war, the military coordination group, coord, not only kept but surpassed the operational tempo of all Horde, Test, FRT, Brave and the rest. This was incredible to watch. It speaks to the quality of the general staff that in a war where Goons were overwhelmingly outnumbered 3 to 1 the military managed to not be overrun and retain the initiative with ops like enho or m-2. Sorry for the wall of text. Looking forward to more of your videos.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

I am super thankful for your feedback and the ad ons. I like the wall of text, because you give me important Feedback....Feedback is always a chance !! It's impossible for me to cover everything comprehensively, and it was never my intention to imply that Team "A" is better than Team "B", or that team "C" stands out as the best, surpassing both "A" and "B"...

@mikspurins1455

2 ай бұрын

I'll join in thanking for the wall as well. I much more prefer well worded, expanded reasoning/opinion than short, conclusive statements that don't offer any insight at all.

@user-fz9es4js4f

2 ай бұрын

Eloquent... True

Been in Goons since 2006 and it's had ups & downs but always the best place to call home in EVE.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

23 күн бұрын

are you a part of 4s?

@tarrif

23 күн бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb No, I'm a Theta industrial Goon for the most part. I fly logistics in fleets and used to do logistic in GSOL.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

23 күн бұрын

@@tarrif important part in every fleet

@sweatter8213

5 күн бұрын

@@tarrif Theta squad best squad! $$$$

This was a fun watch. Thank you for that. As a Goon and EVE player since 2007 ( on and off ), I do miss the "bad guys" of EVE sticker. Simply for RP reasons. But I will say overall, if you do make the cut, it is a good place to be. EVE has changed a lot and not just mechanics of the game, we as players grew up. We are mostly more mature and the overall ( not just Goons, game wide ) culture has changed. And that is a good thing. Player base is, arguably, less fun but more wellcoming overall. To PH members - see you on grid everyone. Win or lose, enjoy the pew.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

2007, thats a long time tbh !

Goon here, I LOVED THIS VIDEO. Your editing is incredible. Keep up these awesome videos love them!

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

Thank you will try...but that editing is intense...but will do it from time to time. When something.

Fleet participation requirements make me think of the old Dragon Points system used by guilds in other games to determine who gets what loot or gets to even come along on the dungeon run.

I liked the editing! As someone who has been in both alliances, both videos seem to be pretty fair reviews for someone who is new to nullsec

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

like it too - a lot of work tbh

@MA-uy7iu

2 ай бұрын

Editing is amazing

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

@@MA-uy7iu 🙂

Man, I remember when Goons were the ones everyone else was doing the extreme background checks for, and they were the ones taking anyone with a pulse for more numbers.

as an old bittervet i ended up coming back yesterday -because i hate myself- because flying with karmafleet and goons is some of the best fun you can have in any game, and we have a lot of helpful people in corp/alliance.

Thank you for making a video about my discord chat and your feedback. I want to correct some inaccuracies: - You failed to reference how cool my Slithery Little Sneaky Snake hat is on my discord image - Within 4S, all members proudly wear the 4S badge on our suit pockets not above it and on the back of our suits it says 4S Is Recruiting, always in capitals. - There is no policy for you to greet me in a certain way but when we chat on mumble but, I would appreciate you greeting me by saying, I’m a snake, a slithery little sneaky snake

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

haha i love that :-) If i need you some day with your blobs down in Kubinen i hope YOU WILL BE THERE !

Digging these alliance review videos - good stuff!

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

lot of work...will do so :-)

This is turning in to a great series! The effort to give a good quality review of these alliances IS SO NEEDED for the community as a whole! This is exactly what we need to inform and engage the new pilots coming in to the game as the most common question on reddit has to be "what corp/alliance should I join?! Thank you for your work!! and please consider adding "Kitchen Sinkhole" to what I assume is a a rapidly expanding list of alliance you would consider reviewing :)

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

🙂Wll thank you. But who is "Kitchen Sinkhole" ??

@MifuneSwordGod

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb they are one of the few… semi-newbie accepting corps in wormhole space

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

@@MifuneSwordGod WH space is not my Space tbh.. i need to know who is in local...

@MifuneSwordGod

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb haha… d-scan is all ya need

@mikspurins1455

2 ай бұрын

@@MifuneSwordGod That's her Solo playstyle talking - I too prefer local to know my enemies. D-scan is plenty if you only want to survive. But to find the good fights as a loner, every bit of information helps. Just knowing whether potential targets fly solo or exclusively in gangs can be huge... Knowing their preferred fits is only secondary for me at least. I don't mind unfavorable odds, but I genuinely hate not knowing my odds at all.

The vod iz Buzzing... Thank You ^^

Overall, a very fair and comprehensive review! I have one criticism: Horde headshots Goonswarm FCs as well. Tetrakill in particular is headshot every other fleet, but this was not mentioned in your Horde video.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

Sure maybe. In my time i did not saw any headshots from horde...so as always: my point of view.

In my experience with GOON fleets, they only head shot FCs that are known to try to head shot regularly. Players like Zer0Musky and Zigam will always be head shot in Imperium space because that is their go to strategy.

i am in the imperium but not goonswarm specifically. i feel this is a great place to be because we dont have the same fleet participaton requirements but get all the benefits of having access to delve. the criticism of the long and tedius IT setup is valid for sure, but at least once its set up, its done.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

once its set up its done. thats for sure true. i think its in general a big problem that you need so many 3rd party software. How many are out there? Mumble, Discord, Pathfinder, Auth, Teamspeak, ZKill, Forums, Pidgin, IS Boxer, Eve HR, dScan, GateCamp Check, eve metro, jita kalender and and and (...)

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

@@Redishere will put that on the list 🙂

@matahashisatoa

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb You only really need 2 of those things, 3 if you count the forums for SRP, pidgin and mumble. Plenty of people never post or use the forums and the rest really have nothing to do with being in goons at all just eve in general. I dont even know what a couple of them are and ive been playing eve for over a decade lol

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

@@matahashisatoa Certainly, I wanted to embrace the full experience, and when the recruiters asked me to follow these exact steps, I didn't want to make any exceptions. The feedback process with the goons should not mean "you only need 3 of those" but rather take opportunity to critically question existing processes. If I were CEO, I would survey my players online. Such a survey can be set up in 2 minutes. Involving players in decisions is an extremely good process for player engagement.

@Tyldek

23 күн бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb in my memories only 3 set up in Goonswarm :x The Forum , Mumble and Jabber that's all (depends on the corp discord)

I hope you enjoyed your time. Best of luck out there capsuleer!

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

i did :-) still there.

i was a goon for 4 years before 2019 and i had different experience when it came to getting in. the need for 3rd party software was there back then aswell but was doable. i got accepted within a day. mentality wise , you make a mistake and you will get shit on but then they all help out when they can, big brother esk style. loved it. left because i was not a fan of the time dilation fights in capitals. other then that it was the best allliance i had been in for 6 years of my eve life. now i found a highsec corp, which is the right place for me at this time in my eve life. i do hope to go back to null and goons one day... great video btw keep it up

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

thank you ! i will 🙂

Awesome, lots of respect for doing this!

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

Thank you.

If you want to be part of GS it's best you join the jabber fleet announcements I hope you got that installed and running as that's the only way you'll know there's a fleet happening. It's not opsec as it's open to KarmaFleet members which is open to well apply and find out. If you have a particular interest or speciality there may be an existing SIG or you could do a few with volunteers and then put your case forward for an SIG and a budget to get more people interested. I haven't been in many other alliances so I don't know what's normal or not these days. I look forward to watching your takes having re-joined EvE after more than five years. Playing is sadly more limited than I want and expected but hopefully soon.

love the vid, currently returning to eve and making my own decision. absolutely hate putting mobile msg sounds in videos though, confused everyone :D

I know the goons in this video, the recruiters and FC's in goons treat every new player like this. I had frequent check-ins from recruiters in my first couple of weeks on goons and older members inviting me on fleets. I am not in 4S.

Ive been in goons since 2018 and as u say now is pretty chill moment to be a goons, also I am in a small hispanic corp (Rekium for anybody intested) we always teach pvp to people in our fleets to defend delve and we give a fast response to recruit you:)

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

thats cool !

One thing that sadly goes with goon propaganda (i am biased as I've been with horde forever but that doesn't actually hit this): I see Asher's point with Renting being suboptimal, however it allows people (and small corps for that matter) to pay for protection and be able to actually have nullsec space to work with without having to worry about being steamrolled by goons (or horde or frat or whoever for that matter). Itfd just nice for many people to pay a small (ish) fee and therefore not have to worry about getting evicted 2 weeks after deploying structures, renting is not all bad as Asher likes to make it look like

No matter what ill always feel like smaller groups and alliances with under 500 members make more wholesome moments and really allow you to impact the group dramatically if you really try. Not saying its impossible in big groups; just much more difficult and stuff. No hate though, great video 👏

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

thank you !

This is another great vid, if you have the time and inclination please try Brave next, my favourite alliance in EvE. It has a well used standing fleet, plenty of help for new players and well organised.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

A lot of ppl said Brave is very cool....hmmm will put it on my list for some day. Who´s Braves CEO?

@Teaisbest

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb Jinx De Caire is the main man. I’m going to take a screen shot of your reply and forward on to our diplos. Not sure if they’ll do anything, never had to speak to them before. Hopefully it goes somewhere.

"intensive background checks", When dealing with large scale nullsec shenanigans, one of the most effective ways to attack/harm your enemies is to insert spies into their organisation. Some of the most pivotal moments in nullsec even in the last 7 or so years were defined by spycraft etc (seriously). My favourite example is a fucking newbie pilot leaking PL's plan to destroy the GOTG super fleet, (said newbie, was a close personal friend of the man behind the plan, for context). Suffice to say, destroying a super fleet of a major nullsec power has immense ramifacations for the game, and thats just, one example. PH's extremely lax security policies means that it frequently deals with awoxing, as does brave newbies (although brave suffers it a bit less).

When I used to play eve, more than a decade ago, the corps did take care of their pilots. Helped with getting set up, flying in assets and getting isk farming set up, jump gate networks. The whole lot. I was even a minor FC by the time I left the game. On an Alliance front they helped train their pilots in blob combat etc. So the helpfulness isn’t exactly weird to me.

The fleet participation of 5 fleets can easily be achieved in a weekend. If you're lucky, you can accomplish this in one evening with home defense fleets.

@MA-uy7iu

2 ай бұрын

Also in Horde. Easy

@somebodyintheworld5036

2 ай бұрын

Yes,. but I think Ami doens't like the PAP requirement at all, period. Which is a fair view point I think. However, I am surprised that 4S has PAP requirements at all. Technically, goons/Imperium doesn't have a PAP requirement, its the individual corps that create and enforce it (usually because they want to keep their own players active in game). My corp as an example requires 3 PAP's per month, but to my knowledge, there are corps that do not require PAPS at all, and thats allowed cos Goons doesn't actually require them either.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

@@somebodyintheworld5036 yes. i dont think its a problem for the players...but youre on the watchlist and you need to go for it.

I really like the format of these videos they are a monumental effort, well done! I would add some observations from someone who has spent a number of years in nullsec A requirement of 3 fleets per month is hardly a stringent requirement when any one of those fleets could be as little as 15 minutes. Sure that could be a lot for people that don't play often but I don't know that I would call it a stringent requirement, plus it's per character so putting three characters in one 15 minute fleet meets the requirement for the month. I also think you missed things like Horde severely limiting access to space for characters that haven't gone through the ESI / API check process, they cannot join their pankrab fleets etc. Goons do not limit a player in any way like this, any player can do anything in any blue space. I know you mention this in your Horde video but it's not mentioned here as context for people who may only watch one video without the other. You appear to have come into the assessment with a preconception that Goons headshot enemy FCs. Where did this preconception come from? As someone who has lived in nullsec for over 10 years this has been a mechanic used by all sides, Flag Cruisers (Monitors) were introduced 100% to counter this mechanic and until CCP introduce a Frigate / Destroyer variant then this will continue to be the case. In my experience PL and PH are the worst for attempting headshots at the outset of most engagements. Goons do it from time to time but not nearly as often as horde. I would also suggest that joining a large alliance and then attempting to do a whole bunch of things solo is not really in the spirit of the point of the video. I get that people knew you were coming and may have treated you differently but I think that's more or less unavoidable. You could have easily joined fleets without people noticing you were there if you're not so overt with your presence.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

yes thats true you can handle that in 1 day easy...i call it a stringent requirement because its a deal breaker: means if you dont match it you will be out

@firestar5879

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb thats not really true, maybe for "elite" corps it is, but its mostly only handled at a corp level, rather then alliance, and at least for the corp im in, its pretty lax, we def expect it, but we won't insta kick you if you fail it, and i can assure you, the alliance does not look at each player

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

@@jannloneke8366 yes you are right. it belongs for sure for the pvp related corps.

Hey i was a recruiter in a goon corp (left goons/game after Asher took over). And yes this is part of the regular recruitment process. If you specifically choose to skip the standard entry level corp - ie Karmafleet - and instead go for one of the big name or highly specialized corps (especially one of the corps that make blops or high value big plays), the requirements get a lot steeper. And its also a pretty standard practice to make people wait. A lot. In essence if you are a alliance hopper or a child, you will tend to have very little to no patience, so in the long run this simply filtrates these people away as they are not a good match for us.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

"And its also a pretty standard practice to make people wait. A lot." Yes, exactly, I have seen it and I personally consider it a negative point. If Karma presents their Corp as a highly professional one to the eve world, then the issue of recruitment and specifically the professional handling of applicants should be a matter of course.

@ginjaedgy49

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb I got accepted into karma fleet within 2 days, maybe they sped up their process because of your video lol

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

@@ginjaedgy49 thats cool, yes they also changed the ingame chan. i like that... a outsuide view is always nice for improvement

There's no democracy in MOST corporations (much like real corporations), but some value a horizontal social structure. The game isn't really built to accommodate that too well, but players can make it work.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

thats true...

It was never boring with The Mittani. Space needs salt

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

yes !

@mikearnold5839

2 ай бұрын

It doesn't need sexual harrasment. Him leaving is good for everyone.

@johnhitchens2905

2 ай бұрын

@@mikearnold5839I get harassed and trolled everyday, how one gets sexually harassed threw a computer is beyond me but if the heats to much there's only 1 answer to that TURN OFF THE COMPUTER!!

@thorveim1174

Ай бұрын

always just saw him a a giant space asshole, and kicking him down a peg was why I was so glad to be part of WWB2 against goons. Now with himù gone.. might even consider being a goon if I pick the game back up (left for a variety of reason, first the end of the war that sounded like our side just throwing the towel instead of being actually defeated, and more personnal thing like feeling I'd never get any good use out of the vindicator I basically spent my whole playtime skilling up for and affording as my endgame goal), but if I do come back since my old corp is dead.. I may consider goons, which was unthinkable to me with mittens still around.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

Ай бұрын

@@thorveim1174 if you come back and if you want to join goons again - apply to "4s corporation". Cool guys there.

I applied to karma and got in very quickly. I gave a very detailed account of my history in eve from 2007. I liked the scrutiny and the time that was made for acceptance.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

thats cool !

There's some back and forth about head shooting FC's in the video and in the comments. In the U-Q fight between Panfam and Init last week with 3000+ pilots involved, not a single Monitor was killed ...

Great Video as always! :) How is the lip-sync done with the game avatars? Is this a in-game feature now?

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

No i did that online. Its a cool feature...its called D-ID. You need the picture and a voice...so i used Ceo´s original voice. you can also youse a text to voice from D-ID, but i dont like that...it sounds to much "unreal"

@indigomaterie

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb Awesome, Thanks!

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

let me know when you create something with it pls!

Very nice video as always. Brave is a really cool corp in my humble opinion, very easy to get into, people are cool, and very few rules. I'm always doing my own thing.

@MA-uy7iu

2 ай бұрын

Arent Brave a part of goons now???

@BanControl

2 ай бұрын

@@MA-uy7iu they are imperium members but not part of goonswarm federation

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

never was in BRAVE.....but a lot of ppl telling me the same

@DennisHaig

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb, great vid really enjoyed it. I recently joined brave on recommendation of youtuber @Aceface and have genuinely enjoyed the freedom. It's great for a single character account. Link for reference: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fWiErJmvorecmso.htmlsi=hnHEbCiF2q51u3LI

@ginganutjob

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb I'm currently enquiring if we can offer the same sort of deal Asher gave you for brave - personally I'd love to hear your thoughts. If things go well I'll be in touch

Very interesting perspective. It's nice to be in the imperium but i'm glad i'm not in goonswarm federation because of all them requirements you mentioned, i like the absolute freedom the alliance i'm in gives me. That said, another big downside of goons, and well horde too, is that I'm not happy with the distances I have to travel for content, but the safety the blue croissant offers for my ratting, mining, exploration and building activities is very nice. The SEA ending means feyth and omist are back on the menu, and I'm happy, skirmishing with the mohist, hold my probs and the zergs, they're a nice bunch of guys. Most horde guys and frat guys that come visit in Paragon and Eso are also quite chill, it's nothing but fun with them. I hold no resentment whatsoever against them, and i thank them for coming all the way to us from time to time.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

agree...i think eve went boring without Horde/Goons, right?

@endospores

2 ай бұрын

​@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb yes, i think both blocks bring interesting opportunities and challenges, i mean, who else can make that much tidi? But they're both too big to be actually top level kek. I think eve would benefit from more groups gaining some of their share of power and toss it around a little, and not be like now that groups part of the collapse of fire or rekkingcrew just folding into or aligning with the goons or horse, or how horde and test are with frat, which is a sad state of affairs. And CCP could actually do something to make carrier fights great again... XD

Great insight, thanks for sharing.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

thanks for watching !!

As a goon, i must admit horde applications are streamlined, usually do it every couple of weeks as i burn through awok chars. Keep up good work Horde!

@Ami_BK

2 ай бұрын

lol

"Brightest candle on the cake" I lol'd

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

"not" the :-)

@xxxkastor77xxx56

2 ай бұрын

i understand only trainstation! xD @@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

@xxxkastor77xxx56

2 ай бұрын

but this is not the yellow of the egg ;)

@MA-uy7iu

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

I joined goons back in 2022, and I did lose some fun from the game. After a year I left as I noticed I was playing less. The community is good, but it's not very welcoming to new people. Overall my experience with goons was okay, but it did make EVE less fun.

With 16 characters online in that channel, there's a good chance that there were only a handful of people logged in on several alts and were just afk. It's possible I suppose, but unlikely that they saw the chat and just ignored it

I thought you were falling into the Goons trap, making it a "oh, how great are the Goons" after the Horde video was also critical in some points. Well done! I find it fair for both sides.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

you can only trap me with 500bil isk, 2 titans. but i cant fly them...lol

@frosthound_8594

2 ай бұрын

​​@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb too cheap Up it to like 5T liquid, an Azariel and a Moloch

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

@@frosthound_8594 you know i am poor

@frosthound_8594

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fbthat's why you have to minmax iskies

Interesting video, hope you enjoyed your time in Goons.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

yes it was very cool time there

Playing in Horde, I actually like our "political" war with the Goons and I do enjoy their recruitment policy Goons have being a but more selective. Regarding the headshotting, I've seen it happen on both sides, so its not a Goon thing or a Horde thing, but an FC mood thing (at least it seems). There is absolutely some "gamer words" in local thrown by both sides, and both sides employ some annoying fleet warp harpy tactics that often encourages the headshot. Other than that - the little war we are having is great content. Much respect to the goons and their FCs that continue to drive content for all of us.

Pretty sure its like 3 fleet participations per month. Some fleets last about 15-20 mins so they paps fill up pretty much.

Pretty balanced commentary... i have recently joined Goons, and as a filthy casual (45 or so fleets last month), im lovin it. Previously was a solo FW and WH dude. Heaps of PVP opportunities with Goon Mob, and solid management support. Always previously shied away cos "Grrr Goons Culture" but TBH its been awesome! Entirely not the shitfight i expected 🙂. oh yeah, IT requirements little bit complex ... lot of 3rdP stuff, but im old and i managed, so not that bad.

@user-fz9es4js4f

2 ай бұрын

For context, AUTZ so quite difficult to find content, Goons have delivered...

LITTLE BEES FOR LIFE!!! THE IMPERIUM WILL NEVER FALL!

@Sserxe

2 ай бұрын

Never is a very long time.

Nice vid. I will stay in Brave. Happy there for a long time 😉

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

a lot of ppl are very pleased inside brave....wondering why

what a great video. how the heck did you get the Profile picures animated? :D

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

:-)

Nice video an interesting topic, would have loved knowing you in game. Im an old vet from 2006 but don't really play atm last few years for various in game and some out of game reasons. I ran my own training corp, spent a lot of time also in Null mostly AAA of old, NC. etc so fought a few wars against goons and saw them rise from drake fleets etc. Did fleet stuff but also used to build Titans once under old POS indy systems. I mostly enjoy reading or listening to Empires of Eve 1 & 2 by Andrew Groen. Eve has such a rich in game history it's mental.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

Ай бұрын

re join the game ! 🙂

@Lone_GamerUK

Ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb ha i kept up with changes, but the changes ccp made to game (especially around indy & capital construction) stuff I invested in heavily - kinda ruined my game overnight. I still never forgiven them lol Happy to chat eve stuff anytime. I like to see more journalism stuff in EvE but when you've been at the heart of eve history there's never really been another game like it. 😉

With ref the karma public chat - the MOTD states they won’t answer questions on how long it takes to complete checks. So not getting an answer to that type of question shouldn’t have been disappointing or a surprise

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

Ай бұрын

why?

@sturichards4316

Ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb because the checks are thorough, and they look into things that could point to a spy or a history that wouldn’t be good for the alliance, also because ESI is terribly unreliable - oh, and because they get many apps -and if they spend their time looking to see how your apps are progressing - they aren’t using that time to work on processing applications

I heard once many moons ago that you needed to join a larger out of eve community to join goons and this required a sub to maintain. I never bothered to find out if this was just trolling or serious as I only dip into Eve from time to time and rarely bother with clans as I probably don't get online enough to justify the commitment

@BaniaYT

2 ай бұрын

Yes that's outdated, long time ago Goons reqruited only from 'Something Aweful Forums', those times are long gone. Now recruitment is similar to any other large alliance.

that said, I does answer the question in the MOTD ;) so you could say that your question was answered immediately and you infact did not wait hours - also yes, in general as an ex recruitment member of KF we have moved towards discord as a better way to communicate (thus why the motd encourages you to join the discord) and you likely would have waited ~ max 15mins for a response edit: i did reply to your question, but i think it might have been filtered for some reason, not to sure :)

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

Yes, I know that, of course. And I was on Karma Fleet Discord. People there also asked how long the waiting period is. And the answer was? They send them a video... I believe there was a cat or something in it... with a message that was something like "It takes as long as it takes." But I'm happy to ask again here: How long does it typically take?

@Srsli

2 ай бұрын

every application is different done by a team of volunteers who get on average 30 applicants a day - the only correct answer is as long as it takes there are too many variables to give any other answer and people are in general unwilling to be reasonable from experience if you tell them it'll be a week and you hit 8 days you then have to deal with someone throwing a temper tanrum, the truth of the matter is the wait more often and not shows peoples true colours more than any back ground check, watching people flip out and abuse people because they waited 2 days is just not a person we want in our group, and not someone i want to fly with.@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

@Srsli

2 ай бұрын

hmm i thought i hit enter on my response to this so it may show up twice - but the only correct answer is 'as long as it takes' there are too many variables to give any other response, its done by a team of volunteers who get on average 30 applicants a day, many of what range from terrible spys who very poorly hide it, to characters who have literally over 100 characters, and from experience if you tell someone it will take around a week, then hit the 8th day, they are there throwing a temper tantrum because they waited too long and they were told a week, more often than not.. the wait shows peoples true colours more than any background check and the ONLY requirement of KF is dont be a dick.. as for no communication, again from experience people find they dont have communication when they dont get the answer they want to hear, if you post in KF discord now, you'll get a response thats communication, if you post in there how long on my app, and get told as long as it takes, people think they didnt get communication.@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

@TheBriscRubal

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb It depends on a lot of factors, but there's nobody in our queue right now that has been waiting more than 7 days, and the longest person waiting has not replied to requests for clarification on parts of their application, and that's the only hold up. We send the videos because 99% of the process is explained there, and most questions can be answered instantly, rather than waiting for someone to respond directly. That being said, the are hundreds of people active in the discord and an entire recruitment team of more than 15 people who are available 24/7, in every time zone. Generally speaking, if you're waiting for more than a week, it's because you didn't add all your characters to the API, you didn't respond to questions from the recruiter, or you're not getting in because of a security concern.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

@@TheBriscRubal Great, that helps people understand it better. I also think Karma has a high workload when it comes to applications, at least from what I read in the Karma Discord about all the new people coming in...

Great video on our alliance, great stuff - I really enjoyed this. Make more videos on us please hahaha

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

you put me on the line of fire? 🙂

@BadJuice

2 ай бұрын

i dont understand ur question sry@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

more goon videos = line of fire

@BadJuice

2 ай бұрын

i am so confused Ö_Ö@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

ppl sended me some links to goons treamers who...hmmm...are not amused about the video. you know...its the line of fire, also if the ceo asked you for a review :-)

Im playing 14 years eve Online - 7 years in Goonswarm Federation. The Goons of 2024 is better then I know them 2017 when I joined.

I think using Zigam as an example for FC headshotting isn't a fair choice. He is a streamer and taunts Goons and talks ish the whole time, he gets sniped for that reason I'd say. He is often taken out by standing, which isn't as structured target wise than a pinged fleet would be.

It wasn't like that in 2019. I was only in horde a short amount of time and was called everything, but a nice guy by quite a few Goons and I was only applying to join.

@supertomcat6494

2 ай бұрын

people can be assholes man but there is a clear history of this on both sides of the fence not just goons

Love this

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

thank you !

good vid, any interest in taking this concept of trying out corps to wormhole space?

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

Its a huge workload....maybe i can do that from time to time...but....tbh.... Wormhole space is so challenging for me. Everyone is cloaked, I can't see who is in the local chat, and when I try to troll the local chat, no one ever responds.

@varagvarag2007

2 ай бұрын

Its a different style for sure. If you want to take a shot at it "Kitchen Sinkhole" would be happy to take you in. You would be welcome to review us if your interested. We live in a low class C2 with High sec and C3 static connections so we aren't the average wormhole. We would usually have plenty of connections scanned that allows access all over new Eden and we value our connectivity because it allows us to find content far more easily. If your familiar with OZ EVE I did a presentation on his twitch and u-tube "Pitch Your EVE Online Playstyle: Low Class Wormhole Life feat. Varag (Kitchen Sinkhole)" take a look see if you would want to check out the flip side of EVE. PS. I don't have 500 billion for you ;) @@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

Thanks for the great review Just a couple of points id like everyone to know incase they are thinking of joining 1 4S are a pretty strict corp but not all corps in goons have the same participation rules 2 In General its very easy to meet pap requirements i mean if you are in a null sec corp in the first place you probably like to pvp anyway right? Also there is a sig called locust fleet which is for mining you also get paps for this as it is an import industrial arm of the organisation. 3 What you said about all the forums and things you have to sign up for....yeah i agree completely but as you said most medium to large alliances in eve not just null sec have these and you only have to do it once and its done. 4 I don't think just pvp orientated people would enjoy goonswam there is a place here for everyone you just have to find the right corp there are quite a few industry heavy corps in goonswarm and the market here has massive opportunities for anyone interested in trade although it is true everyone is expected to join at least a few fleets per week but you will find the same to be true in any null or lo sec alliance. That's all, overall a great and honest review and I hope you enjoyed your time with us maybe someday you'll come back and stay for good :-)

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

That's true, but as a PvP player, I naturally only see things through a PvP lens. There's a lot more to do, that's right.

@waszka1

2 ай бұрын

ochh c'mon we have rl jobs ! Do you really want to be control in your free time, in the game that is paid by your rl job money xD c'mon man its a joke

Fleet participation is mandatory in many corps, but lets be real: I you don't have the time to join 3-5 fleets a month, stop playing eve and come back if you take it serious 😉There are many many many many many ... corps in Goons with very different approaches to recruitment and requirements. For every language and playstyle a corp exists, the only hard thing is to find the one that fits best for you. And yes, i'm also a recruiter for a german corp called Balanced Unity (BALA) and we are much smaller it's more about the players reallife character and social factors to fit into our corp. And we try to answer as fast a possible in chats, but we don't play eve full time, we also have a reallife, where we have make real money for things like food ;) I for myself have a look in the chats, if someone else pokes me that someone asked a question or every hour or so, if i'm working homeoffice 😀

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

"I you don't have the time to join 3-5 fleets a month, stop playing eve and come back if you take it serious". Yes ofc. As i said. If you like that, go for it. 3-5 Fleets you can make in one day.

@Sumeragy1

2 ай бұрын

​@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb Doing 5 fleets in a month is doable. for everyone.

@MA-uy7iu

2 ай бұрын

Horde is free to join. 🎉

Personally I just bounce around what I find enjoyable in game. Never been in Goons and spent a little time in some of the other blocs, but not enough to have a good understanding of either. Guess I always feel better in "start ups". You're very correct about the autocracy of a lot of EVE Online blocs, I've seen attempts at democracy, been apart of some, and its always lead to inner civil wars. Their IT... my christ, we keep ours limited to something simple, as simple as possible for recruitment. IF CCP made this something IN GAME, it wouldn't be needed. How these several systems have not been combined into one is crazy.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

Yes...i think there are more than 30-40 (??) 3rd Party programs out there....

@local9

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb I've gone through most of them, a lot are just a recreation of another because either the original project died off or because they wanted their own Blackjack hall. 5 Auth platforms I'm aware of, SeAT, Alliance Auth, Neucore, EVE-HR, and ThunderED. Each do the same sort of thing, in their own ways. Sadly given the nature of tooling out there, I highly doubt CCP would want to put in the resources to make their own voice servers again which is the most typical use, fleet voice, you'll be remembered.

Thanks for coming to check us out! The headshotting FCs thing was kind of odd to focus on because its not really a thing since monitors exist, at least in bigger fights like you said. Theres also the argument to be made that if your there to win the objective (IHUB contest, fortizar timer w/e) removing the people in charge is certainly a viable tactic.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

sure, it's standard to have at least a second and third FC as a backup - in large fleets, who can take over. The space is to cold for honor ;-)

in eve players "vote with their feet". Compare to irl its extremely easy to leave the borders of some alliance and go somewhere else, so there is no point in democracy there. Nobody can force a player to live under dictatorship, so leaders are forced to care about the bottom of their playerbase, or they will get "voted out" by people leaving and leaving them defenseless.

Did you go on fleets on an alt? Your ZKill doesn't really show you doing any fleets with Goons or in null-sec at all since your Horde video.. ?

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

yes i use an alt for that

I was in a Delve when the disband of Band of Brothers happened and we lost sov. I didint like the way this went down. Not that I cared about loosing sov, what I didnt like was how it actually happened. Whilst I appreciate that some might use out of game ideas in game this to me was an exploitation of a mechanic which was never intended to happen. It wouldnt have mattered if BoB did it to Goons. I dont see much difference between that and say DDOS a comms channel. In game, go for your life, do what you want.

@TheOneAndOnlyOuuo

2 ай бұрын

Well, CCP endorsed this as a legitimate mechanic and did not take any remedial action as they do when game mechanics break.

Goonwarm... gotta love this headline ^^

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

ohhh i see...its late here in germany ;-)

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

changed :-) thx...

@EbizzerHH

2 ай бұрын

That change came quickly 😉

@EbizzerHH

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb Ich weiß! Top Video, wie immer! o7

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

@@EbizzerHH danke für den hinweis...das wäre mir echt nicht aufgefallen und könnte auch bei vielen "falsch ausgelegt" werden. du sitzt bei solchen videos immer extrem zwischen den stühlen. man kann eigentlich nur verlieren :-)

Too bad they knew you were coming. I think a “real influenced” review would have zero people knowing you’re there. Great video overall though. I’d love to see more of these.

@BanControl

2 ай бұрын

yeah she should have just joined karmafleet

@iShaymus

2 ай бұрын

PH also knew she was coming it just wasn't mentioned in the video and is clearly evident in communications in the discord screenshots.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

@@BanControl they "placed" me in 4s

@Car_Mo

Ай бұрын

I have to agree, to be as unbiased as possible the reviews could have been done 100% anonymous published at the same time. Goons having watched the Horde review will obviously try to appear better in every way compared to Horde. Good job being this objective, I mean that.

Some of what's presented is 4S specific, rather than Goonswarm Federation. There are some corps that are very PVP focused, and others not so much.

@ami If you personally have to choose PH or Goons, where would you go right now?

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

From time to time, I will pin some questions below the video. I'll start with yours. It's a tough question that I can easily answer. It's Pandemic Horde. But there's only one reason for that: I play in low sec, and over the years, every activity in EVE becomes boring at some point, no matter what you do. Eventually, it's just not fun anymore, and you need a change, or you stop playing the game altogether. I even believe there 3 reasons why people quit playing EVE Online: 1. It's too time-consuming. 2. Real-life issues. 3. It becomes boring. So, I want to be able to join Null Sec when I feel like i am borden in low sec and i will leave Null Sec leave when I don't want to anymore. This freedom is exactly what you get with the Horde's basic corp, Horde Inc. Even when I'm in null, the big fights also become boring within the time, and then I go back to low sec. If you look at my corp history, I've done exactly that many times. If the Goons had an open corp, in the future I'd switch between the Horde and the Goons from time to time; I'm not familiar with the others.

@TheOneAndOnlyOuuo

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb I have an non-GSF alt corp in lowsec for when I don't feel like null. This is allowed as long as your toons and corps are registered and you don't shoot blues. The minimum fleet participation is not enforced on an alliance > line member level, but the alliance > corp level, so missing a month or two probably won't get you kicked unless you're in a super strict corp. The complaint about horde FCs getting headshotted sounds like a skill issue, not a goon issue.

@TheOneAndOnlyOuuo

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb Also I personally don't like the idea of hopping between the blocs since the propaganda is part of the fun for me. Would kind of defeat the purpose if I was constantly joining/leaving, when the "backstory" is joining a rebel group to fight the oppression, free the renters, and destroy the status quo. I feel asher is taking us more in that direction of building a story, which is something EVE can lack at times if not created by the players.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

"I feel asher is taking us more in that direction of building a story", yes and thats nice. i like that idea

Have A 280m sp clone that can fly everything maxed out. A 180m sp strictly combat pilot and 160m industrial mega trader/researcher, 1t in assets and liquid. Just dont have the time anymore. Jumping back in after idle into pvp is not smart, flying around a titan with cobb webbs is not smart, so they just sit there. Sleeping dragons.

Good review! Btw you misspelled goonswarm

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

i did the same mistake with horde...isn´t that bad?

4S is recruiting BTW

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

I really like the CEO of 4S. He´s very nice and always respectful in chats with the team. I bet hes a leader also in real life too. I highly recommend joining 4S... BUT without any sec 0 and PvP experience, the rejection rate is probably pretty high, right??

You need to approach joining goons from the perspective of a newbie corp like Karmafleet or ASCEE, in order for this to be more balanced.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

was placed in 4s

Having been a member of Goons for only 7 months I have to say that I find your view a little....biased/skewed. My entree into Goons was greased by previous communications, but was overall simple. Granted, there are PAP requirements, but they are set by individual CEOs and often can be fulfilled in a single night of spamming fleets. Other than that I am free to be my own toon and do what I damned well please without the feeling I need to do more to fit in. 4S and karma fleet are huge corps that have different requirements than my own Corp. Plus, If I am not PVP focused I can support in other ways, Locust fleets, or other SIGs provide just as much participation credit. I have no real experience with Horde other than being shot at. I can't speak for them, but I know that the Hordelings that come over to us are inevitably happier in their games. :)

Goonies always worth it

Democracy is possible in Eve, by giving everyone even shares ;)

@Regularsarikas

2 ай бұрын

It will never work though. All the best corporations and alliances work as dictatorships.

As for PAPs, it not several, it’s 3 a month, and you can reach that in 1 evening

i wanna join them but i have not a lot of experience . is there goons university or something ?

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

it is - apply to karmafleet

i tried to get in horde, they keep rejecting application without reason and no luck getting through to anyone in public channel, i really wanna join a big nullsec corp but so far have been unable to, i have 27 million skill points and 2 years pvp experience but cant seem to join a corp. :-( feel like jacking it in sometimes

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

join the horde basic corp: Horde.Inc

Democracy? People vote with their participation. Every fleet ping is a vote.

How many members do they have? Not accounts mind you, actual unique human individuals?

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

18 күн бұрын

idk

🔥

I just like the bee. Simple as

Ami would you be interested in reviewing industrial based corps? I've been on the search for more of a social connection within EVE and have been playing solo far to many years. I am not really into the PvP life, though I am however intrigued by the idea of being in a industry corp that supply's alliances.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

i have 0.0 indsutrial skills. maybe i can fly a badger. thats it :-)

@Drascylla

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb Ohh well worth the ask, I appreciate the reply all the same.

@rhk0327

2 ай бұрын

i recommend both goons and horde. horde has social mining fleets running a porpoise for boosts and people chat on coms. im' sure goons has somethign simliar. the one issue wiht horde is in order to get access to more crop space (when solo), you need 400 kills to get esi verified to become a full member. (they do this to reduce spies). but inside hte mining fleet you can always go witht he fleet. actually on second thought, if you want to use industry go goons imo. the better industry with reduced indicies require this 400 kills.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

@@rhk0327 rgr i did not know that...but 400 kills are maybe 7-10 fleets +/- ??

@Drascylla

2 ай бұрын

@@rhk0327 That's already a turn off for me personally speaking, just because I am not really into the combat/war side of the game, so their kill requirement pretty much rules me out. I've experienced more then my fill of losing ships in the early days that I prefer the more chill gameplay loop now over it. The issue I am running into though is I still want to contribute to an organization/corp meet new peeps and make some friends etc. Thanks for the suggestion however, its appreciated.

well if you are mentioning fleet participation "pressure" maybe you should also mention it is only 3 paps per month.... so is it really a pressure to ask someone to contribute to the alliance with 3 fleet participations per month?

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

sure it's a "knockout" deal, either you make it or you're out at some day. I've seen people being warned to hop on the fleets....and there were already 4 or 5 who just didn't achieve the numbers.

Now join Solyaris Chtonium!

Yea come on in the waters lovely

Do Fraternity.

Could change it up a little and try a large c5 wormhole corp

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 күн бұрын

i disslike hw´s...local chat is empty...thats sad

I joined karma fleet a couple days ago, i agree that alot of their stuff is pretty out dated compared to other alliances. They still rely on forums for most of their admin which feels quite clunky.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

but karma is a cool crew....met a lot of funny ppl there

KF had a requirement of only 3 fleets in 3 months, so you could do just a fleet per month , very easy to do it. Often Home defence fleets were very fast. I've been with GSF for more than a year and don't remeber our FC's primaring enemy FCs often, but indeed happened sometimes ie. against FCs that they knew would primary them. Times changed Goons are no longer old trolls from 'something awful forum' that pester anybody that comes across their way, they are great nullsec alliance true to their values and friendly to their brothers in arms. Still can't tackle though

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

:-)

Will there be a review of WH Corps?

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

I dont think so...i am a wh noob by 200 % . I cant do WH, i need a local chat and i need to know whos in local. :-)

@adambarczyk6318

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb u can ask in wh-local if someone is in ;)

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

hmmm....they will shoot me :-)

@adambarczyk6318

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb probably, but we call that "content" ;)

And we do have alliance standing fleets, it's beehive and is based off black ops battleships.

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

Well, then I'm surprised by the extremely isk-high hauler losses in 1DQ. Why do Karma and the others have their own standing fleets then?

@raymondli5157

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fbso the reason is the alliance doesn't consider losing a 1 bill battleship or hauler "strategic". so the official alliance-run "standing fleets" is really there to save capitals. From an individual perspective yeah 1 bill could hurt but from an alliance's perspective with double digit trillions, optimising standing fleets to save 50b supers is probably a better goal. Difference in approaches within alliances.

@danAshbjorn

2 ай бұрын

@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb because people shouldn't be blindly gating their stuff into 1DQ without an escort or the correct fit, or using the right perches. FC can spend hours chasing around some retributions or cloaked bombers for them to just clone back into NPC delve and be back in 1DQ in 5 minutes. Time wasted could be spent making isk or pvping elsewhere against people who don't want to just warp around perches for hours on end or cloak up.

Still goated Monica. Why don't you create your own discord server?

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

i am still on a huge workload.

Did you get to shoot blues?

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

nooo ...never

Doesn't some horde corp also have requirments?

@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb

2 ай бұрын

yes i think all without the Horde. INC base corp.