Awesome thanks mate, cant wait for part 2

What's hell for some, is heaven for others. I myself really enjoy putting things like this together, it's very relaxing for me. A nice cup of coffee, classical music and I'm in heaven.

@guytech7310

5 жыл бұрын

I guess you can only kick so much ass, when your out of bubblegum and have to find something more constructive! Got to admit, that has to one of the best lines in any movie: "I've come here to Pick'n place or chew bubblegum, and I am all out of bubblegum!" Take care!

@AirzonesBlasters

5 жыл бұрын

Swap the coffee for beer, and classical for jazz, and I think we really have something going on here. lol

@alloutofbubblegum8165

5 жыл бұрын

@@AirzonesBlasters You are correct, but sometimes i swap it for whisky and heavy metal. That makes it a little more difficult and things don't always go together the right way, but it turns into putting something together party at this point. FYI: for some reason i like listening to Black Sabbath while doing this, i don't know why.

Woah, I didn't even know an open source PnP machine existed! Another entertaining and informative video. Thanks Mick.

@MickMake

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate.

Can't wait for part two. Subscribed.

Nice! Looking forward to the next part.

Me thinks Mick was gonna unleash a massive piece of granite that weighs 200kg on our asses. Nice build. Looking forward to the next installment!

Not an unreasonable build. Nice job , looking forward to the next bit. Cheers and well done

I want one, but I don't want to do all that assembly :-o I think theres a gap in the market for a pick and place assembly machine that assembles pick and place machines ;-)

@MickMake

5 жыл бұрын

It'll only be a matter of time... :-)

liteplacer is awesome. Juha is relentless with supporting his customers, and is true to the open source everything philosophy. it took me 3 full days to build, one for mechanical assembly, one for testing and making sure everything worked as it should, and one for tuning all the parameters and sorting out the functionality (software, tapes, needle change, lighting). in the end, I wasn't getting the use out of it, so sold it, but it was a great project. I would suggest - painting all the steel brackets before assembly. they look so much better in bright silver, than the rusty steel colour after some time (bit late now though, haha). - the timber table may need a more consistant colour than timber, so be prepared to add a cover. The green craft/cutting mats work well. - oh, and you discover that consistent lighting and a rigid work table is really more than just a suggestion. life will suck if you don't have these.

Jeeeez - i'm almost lost for words. Thanks Mick. Wow.

Awrsome! Pick and place for the hobbyist! Exciting video to watch.!

Gladdeed o have found this channel, though never commented here but I can't hold my bit surprise seen this even as open source I keep coming back for updates for very a KIN interest

Great video mate keepem coming

Nice Build Thanks for sharing 👍😀

Thank you for sharing! much appreciated.

@MickMake

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate.

Love the music during the build

@MickMake

5 жыл бұрын

I have a VERY wide taste in music. So pretty much every video will have a different style.

Impressive piece of machinery for an open source project! Eager to see your tests on its reliability and precision. Do you intend to explain a bit of how you will use it (maybe for your other activities ?) ?

@MickMake

5 жыл бұрын

I certainly will be doing all of those things.

This is cool :) I can't see your next video showing this unit in action. I would like a real review of this product. :D

Keeping up my word

Aside from maybe a laser cutter, this probably has to be the most awesome gadget ever (although possibly neck and neck top place).

I have no need for this machine, but I would enjoying building it. Great fun.

Cool Video!

@MickMake Dear Mick, May I suggest placing three "feet" instead of the four on the base-board? With four feet, the base is likely to copy deformations from the chest and even from the floor below it. No bueno.

what PCB design software do you use?

Funny you mentioned JLCPCB. I'm looking at this because I had some PCBs assembled by JLCPCB but they're on backorder due to both the new year's holiday and the coronavirus :-/ So I need a plan B and LitePlacer is probably the way to go. You said it might be possible to assemble this in a day, that's good. I did a MPCNC build over six months, but only an hour or two at a time.

This is just Legos for makers. Granted, Electronics production lego that's probably cheaper than actual lego, but Lego nonetheless! I honestly find it very cool that such huge and precise machinery exists in open hardware!

😱 Some assembly required🤣

Mick was the Merbau from Bunnies as well? I might replace my cnc bed with it.

@MickMake

5 жыл бұрын

It was from Bunnings. I think I'll eventually replace it with metal, but timber is easier to work with since I have all the tools. If you get the finger-jointed hard wood, it's a lot more stable. Some hardwoods, though, have a lot of knots and so aren't suitable

Oh man, that might have to be the next project I think, how awesome would it be to have a pick and place machine! Now where to put it...

@MickMake

5 жыл бұрын

Ha ha. Yes, my current problem I'm trying to solve. :-)

@KeanM

5 жыл бұрын

It is an even bigger issue when you're considering moving from a benchtop PnP to a "full sized" one. To maximise feeders, you also really need good access all around the machine.

@MickMake

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, one of the other reasons for putting it on wheels!

@billpeiman8973

5 жыл бұрын

@@MickMake Suspend it from the ceiling...

Nice item

Wow! I want one, even if it's just for the fun of assembling one. Built my Hypercube 3D printer and a CNC router, this should be next! But alas, the footprint is too large and the use too specialized.

@MickMake

5 жыл бұрын

It was actually a fun build. It may have come across as me not enjoying it, but I really did.

Neat niche project 😍 😍 I suppose one would have a somewhat large electronics production need in order to justify building this, if not just for fun and learning. - in a few years it *could* be a lot cheaper (and far faster - programming the P&P machine setup can take some time) to get it made by 'professionals' (Just like doing your own PCB's where the price recently has dropped to almost nothing, but you need to keep material+chemicals on hand, dispose properly, etc.) Next up - Vison project for automatic visual inspection, moving probes and x-rays for those BGA's? 🧐

@MickMake

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, one of the side uses of the P&P will be to create ultra high-res photos of all the SBCs I review.

@JuKu59

5 жыл бұрын

> I suppose one would have a somewhat large electronics production need in order to justify building this... It used to be like that. But I design prototypes, and using a production machine for building a prototype is like turning up a printing press to get one sheet of paper. I built this for prototyping; you don't need to do very many boards in a year for this kind of machine to justify itself. You can read the story at www.liteplacer.com/about/the-story/. Juha Kuusama LitePlacer

@EgonSorensen

5 жыл бұрын

@@JuKu59 - I wonder; How long does it take you to program and fine tune the setup, so everything is lined up perfectly and all directions/polarities are correct. I love your idea, don't get me wrong, and having soldered an unknown number of prototypes I agree - automatic pick and place is really great and frees up a lot of time. It is also an investment - cost/benefit. I read your story, and I am under the impression the time you mention is spent tuning the reflow process. Personally I find manually placing the components gives me an incentive to use the same valued stuff over and over - increasing speed and decreasing placement complexity. (But then, I have only used a professional manufacturer to do large pick&place work, but the time I was told it took to program the machine, load components, etc - it was faster to do them manually myself, verify the design and do changes if needed (some pro places also does it by hand for speed and simplicity) - this is for 1 or 2 boards with a resonable amount of components) Another benefit is checking clearences and a general sanity check of the design.

Great video as always, please do review on orange pi plus 2e Thanks

Assuming you have one of these available, how many hours of effort does it take to set it up for a board to do a run? Versus hand building, how many boards at a minimum would you want to do a run of to make it worthwhile to set up the pick and place, calibrate it etc. ?

@JuKu59

5 жыл бұрын

I built it to help on prototype builds. For that, it doesn't make sense if there is a heavy setup work. Assuming you have the machine itself calibrated, you need to put the parts on the table, less than a minute for each part type. Most likely, you already have the parts you use the most on the table. After that, a couple of mouse clicks to show the software where each part type is. In the beginning pf the video on my home page you see the setup work. Ok, a toy board, but you'll get the idea. Juha Kuusama LitePlacer

It's like a Meccano set for masochists!

Can you send website for purchase please

Tbh I love LEGOs and all, but hell, that's a hassle! :O I'm curious, how this will work out for you on the long run.

Any update on this? i want to see it work :)

I just know that this video will attract classic comments. LOL. I work in a circuit board assembly plant and I do surface mount and through hole work. I have built up the patience over the years to work with tiny parts and complex machines. So I dont find this build daunting.

Voucher Thanks :)

you mentioned 1st one to ask will receive the gift voucher ;-) Ok, ,ay I ask for it? :-) Btw, can't wait for part 2.

@borisjevic6338

5 жыл бұрын

Never mind, @timmahtown was 1st to request the voucher :-)

@MickMake

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry Boris, +timmahtown managed to get in first, but I have a bunch more of them coming in other videos.

@borisjevic6338

5 жыл бұрын

@@MickMake All good mate :-) That's why I updated it once I noticed his comment :) Still, I enjoy your videos, can't wait for your videos.

Can I get coupon?

I did some 0201s by hand and it was hell. Never doing that again. Just a tad bit too small.

@MickMake

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah done that as well. Hold the part slightly the wrong way and ... ping ... vanishes completely.

@karsnoordhuis4351

5 жыл бұрын

@@MickMake either that or they stuck to my tweezers or they got blown away by the hot air gun. I ended up ordering more components because i kept loosing them

$20 voucher yes pls!

@MickMake

5 жыл бұрын

Woohoo! You've got it! Shoot me an email and I'll forward your name on to JLCPCB!

why was the ad in the middle seams weird to me

2:22 - If the camera isn't moving, it's facing something stationary like a workbench, and you're not bringing things right up to the camera for a closer look, manual focus is what you want.

so is hifi hiffy?

@MickMake

5 жыл бұрын

Hiffy is wiffy as well. :-)

At least your viewers get music! I had to listen to you talking to yourself through most of that build. Mind you, that chosen music isn't too much of an improvement... ;)

@MickMake

5 жыл бұрын

Well, now I have the intern to talk to when I'm not up at your place. He doesn't mind. :-)

@KeanM

5 жыл бұрын

@@MickMake That's a big assumption. You've only known him for a day or so.

next part coming?

@MickMake

4 жыл бұрын

It is indeed. A bit of a backlog of stuff to complete, but the second part will be coming.

The stop motion cuts during the assembly montage were close to, YET SO NOT on the beat of the music that I had to skip ahead.

before having this, i will need a pcb making machine first.

@UpcycleElectronics

5 жыл бұрын

JLCpcb...or use the older model...U+Laser Printer+Concrete Etchant

@iceberg789

5 жыл бұрын

@@UpcycleElectronics for single prototype pcb that may need alteration, ordering jlcpcb is kinda expensive with those shipping charges. and laser printing + etching is too much work with chances of bad results. :-(

@UpcycleElectronics

5 жыл бұрын

@@iceberg789 There is a learning curve to etching, but it really isn't that hard once you get familiar with it. The best thing to do is look for a laser printer second hand from somewhere like a thrift store. I picked up my first for $8 from a local thrift store, and just got a better one from the same store for $25. Use the thinnest inkjet photopaper (the kind for printing pictures/and yes the kind for inkjet printers not designed for laser printers). Even with a crappy printer that paper will get good results. Thicker papers will not work as the paper tends to stick so good you can't remove it. Even the thin stuff takes some effort to remove, but it will collect and deposit far far more toner on the paper than any other paper type. This will yield awesome results. You also must clean the board with 00 steel wool until it's totally shiny. Then use cheap white dishwasher detergent to do the final cleaning. The chemicals used to protect the board from oxidation are hydrophobic (they make water bead into droplets). Dishwasher detergent works on the principle of exploiting these same hydrophobic/hydrophilic properties of water. If you place the powder on a damp rag and scrub the board well, when you rinse off the board there will be a uniform sheet of water across the entire surface. Once it is this clean just apply the mirrored PCB artwork to the board with an iron. I like the travel type irons as they do not have steam holes. A laminator is nice but not necessary until you're doing stuff like soldermask films. I did photoresist using an iron for awhile too. Photoresist just requires you to set the iron's temperature much more specifically. I do a lot of quick prototypes just using the cheap Chinese permanent markers. Don't use a sharpie and don't listen to anyone that tells you they are fine/good for this. I have tested black, red, green, blue, yellow, and silver Sharpie's with both Ferric Chloride and Hydrogen Peroxide + Hydrochloric Acid etchants, and on multiple occasions. They are all completely useless. I tested them in the outer margins of boards that I etched with toner transfers just to cover the extra copper and keep from saturating my etchant with the extra copper. Anyone that says Sharpies work has little to no actual experience etching boards. The Chinese permanent markers work well and are like $0.25 each. Get them in large quantities of at least 10 or more. Order some premade Ferric Chloride. This is used in thr food industry too. It will stain anything it touches a mustard yellow color, but it is a weaker acid than a lot of other chemical cleaners everyone has under their kitchen sink. If your willing to work outside, use Hydrogen Peroxide and Hydrochloric Acid. The first is common in pharmacies, the second is sold in home improvement stores as concrete etchant usually called Muratic Acid (bc people are dumb). That combo can be purchased almost anywhere. Some countries restrict these chemicals because they are used in many chemistry lab compounds, but they are also assuming a considerable amount of intelligence exists amongst the population. ...anyways...I use the second setup for my large boards. I use ferric chloride inside my lab. I can make a board with it without leaving my chair. The real secret is a small amount of heat. I use a tiny pot warmer type hotplate that was used for keeping food warm at social events. It is just something else I picked up from a thrift store for $2. It only heats to around 80C. I've built 2 shaker mixing setups but those do very little to speed things up compared to a bit of heat. I use pyrex glass casserole dishes for the acid + board, once again, thrift store @ ~$1 each. With larger boards I'm limited to the size of what I can print on a cheap transparency, so A4 paper size. Buy copper clad from ABCfab on eBay. Bill has the best price and product you will find online. All of his sizes are in inches. Everyone else sells in centimeters. Do the conversion and you'll see he sells more for less money than anywhere else. If you want to use photoresist look up the Dupont Riston215 datasheet for a starting point. The cheap Chinese film works exactly the same. The Dupont Dynamask soldermask film is much easier to work with than the liquids, but you need a lamimator for this. Use the sun for a UV exposure source at first. Photoresist film requires around 3 seconds, Dynamask 5. Apply photoresist under water until flat and in position, remove, then squeegee out the remaining water. Once the film is ironed on, put a few drops of bicycle chain oil between the film and toner side of the transparency, then squeegee out any air bubbles. This will get the exposure closer to the film than any other method. It will also hold everything in place. No need for tape or glass. Also you don't need to modify a laminator. Use an iron for toner transfers as they need high temp/pressure. Laminators are for films. My cheap Amazon basics version works fine. If your printer can't do super solid and dark prints on transparencies (like my Brother HL-2240), use a cheap Chinese permanent marker to fill in as much as possible. My new (to me) HP PL-2235 does not have this issue. A small dremel drill press makes a big difference. Buy 0.8mm drill bits in bulk. I also use a tile saw to cut boards. I use an ultra thin 0.6mm diamond textured blade (dry) to cut boards. It's really quite easy to do all of this once you try it a few times. -Jake

Woo hoo 1st!

@davidmcdonald3314

5 жыл бұрын

Almost... Pipped at the post by the looks of it 😔

WAY beyond my level of interest/hobby but a nice vid just for seeing new things

Now that this is out, I trust the Chinese to roll out a $99 - $399 kit on Aliexpress soon.

First post Looks like it... Never did that before

@MickMake

5 жыл бұрын

Noice!

@davidmcdonald3314

5 жыл бұрын

Onya!

Interesting and entertaining to watch but I've got no use for one ,looks like a lot of work to assemble it as well .

Thoroughly enjoyed every aspect of this video... except the music during the build montage.. yikes...

No one like to RTFM. :)

@MickMake

5 жыл бұрын

Ha ha. Yes true. Alas, this is one build where you just had to. Still, they were perfect instructions.

_Fast-paced slideshow warning_

Ça devient très chiant ces pub !!!

@MickMake

5 жыл бұрын

J'essaie de les rendre drôles, pour qu'ils soient moins énervants.