The biggest problem for the Prime vehicles is poor availability and huge dealership markups.

@EveryPriceGougingStealership

10 ай бұрын

The biggest problem are the people have the money to pay for the premium. We don't sell it for a price where people don't buy.

@Hallowsaw

10 ай бұрын

​@@EveryPriceGougingStealershipits the banks, they are approving loans for long terms,6-10 years making it seem like people can afford the car. You should never go over 5 years, especially used because then your service costs start to double and after 10 years tripple. So imagine paying 400 a month on a 8 year old car that is now only worth 8k and the transmission or hybrid battery goes out, running 5-10k to replace. Its insane.

@jml9550

9 ай бұрын

Don’t blame the dealer or the bank. If buyers are not willing to pay markup, then price comes down. The issue are the consumers willing to pay a extra $50 a month on that loan for 6+ years. Think in terms of car price, not monthly payment people.

@EveryPriceGougingStealership

9 ай бұрын

@@Hallowsaw Banks approving horrible mortgages too.

@EveryPriceGougingStealership

9 ай бұрын

@@jml9550 THIS 1000% The reason we sell it marked up is because there are so many WILLING buyers paying for it. Go complain to gigachad and gigakaren about the prices. I had no problem selling at sticker for DECADES. But now the shoes on the other foot. Housing market goes up and down too, people dont complain nearly as much.

Just got mine (in the same grey color) last week. So, for those who feel the cost is just too much (and to be clear, I had sticker shock initially), I went with a Prius Prime because I wanted fully EV and my husband did not. We also have an 18-year-old 2nd generation Prius with 277K miles on it that is still running fine and still getting 55mpg even when I run the AC. It's been hands down the most reliable car needing almost no maintenance. It has never left me stranded. With the very long warranties that both Toyota and the dealer offer on this vehicle, I have no doubt that I'll get another 18 if not 20 years out of the 2023 PP, even as my trusty 2005 starts to show signs of age. THATs where the true savings comes in, in addition to the efficiency. I do realize that the price tag may be out of reach for many but do consider the reliability and the longevity of the vehicle when considering.

@margolehman5482

9 ай бұрын

@@unnamed774 They asked for $3K over the MSP and then I paid $1500 for the six-year maintenance plan. For the cost of the markup they include free carwash for life, extended the warranty on the ICE to 20 years (IF they do the work) and are on hand if I need tech help. Basically I know where I'm taking my car for service for the next 6 years at least and that it will probably cost me nothing to maintain it.

@mrxman581

9 ай бұрын

​@@unnamed774I'm picking up a XSE Premium tomorrow after waiting 6 months but only because someone ahead of me has cancelled their order and it matched mine. I'm paying MSRP. No mark-up. OTD $46,100. That includes a 10% sales tax and all delivery fees plus all weather mats and installation of a catalytic converter shield. I hope this info helps BTW, I live in California and this car does quality for a state rebate but I'm not sure how much it will be yet

@EveryPriceGougingStealership

9 ай бұрын

@@unnamed774 15k over sticker. Here's the reason why I'll keep charging over sticking so if you keep complaining, go complain to the people paying it. Don't hate the game, hate the players. If people are stupid enough to keep paying over sticker, then we're smart enough to keep gouging you. Love the LV bag btw.

@kobymile5453

9 ай бұрын

EIGHTEEN year old car is still RUNNING? OMG

@margolehman5482

9 ай бұрын

@@kobymile5453 And is now on loan to daughter-in-law whose car got t-boned last weekend. Glad we held on to it!

In 22 hours this has as many views as the Silverado video has over the past 8 days. I guess people want to see Ryan reviewing Toyota's.

@simonlamarche5685

9 ай бұрын

much more people need a car compare to a silverado truck.

Plug-in hybrids make so much more since than an all electric vehicle where we are today. It would seem like the auto manufacturers would offer a little more versatile in the plug-in options when it comes to battery size and engine size.

@cheesemaster113

10 ай бұрын

sense*

@TheDukens90

9 ай бұрын

Agree 👍

@razatiger22

9 ай бұрын

Manufacturers would make more hybrids, but its the government that is pushing them to jump straight into EV because of those stupid climate deadlines. If at the very least every new car came Hybrid standard, we could cut fuel consumption in half globally.

@DerrickFishes

Ай бұрын

They need a sporty looking car like this and then also something a little taller in the back for more cargo like the Prius V and headroom. I’ve seen some good looking tall hatchbacks before so not like it’s impossible, maybe the mpg would suffer beyond being able to call it a Prius anymore? Idk

I have the Prius Hybrid AWD and I noticed that when I cruise at speeds of 80 to 100kmh it will run in EV mode as long as it's reasonably flat and you have enough battery juice.

Toyota hit the design out of the park. Looks great. Price wise I'm out. I feel they programmatically limited the car by the price and that is why I hate modern cars. Great video as always!

I can't get past the 19-inch wheels. They jack up the price, reduce the MPG, and provide a rougher ride due to having low-profile (and expensive) tires. Those Michelin Primacy's are $262 apiece at Tire Rack. The only other option for that specific size are Toyo Extenzas at $172 apiece.

I can’t agree more that PHEVs are underrated, that is why I’m truly enjoying the Kia Sorento PHEV I’m now driving. I filled up about once every two months, a 11 gallon gas tank.

@Hallowsaw

10 ай бұрын

They suck for highway commuting. Standard hybrid is better in that situation. Also also the difference in gas savings between 45mpg to 55mpg is actually significantly less than going from say 40-45mpg. Even though they are both 5mpg difference. There are deminishing returns the better mpg cars get. And if dealers are marking up the plug in 5k, you might as well get the regular. You are not saving 5k in fuel over the life of that vehicle unless you are doing significant city driving. On top of the already higher msrp of the phev

@sharonbraselton4302

9 ай бұрын

wribg hybredd goid for howays chef bmw hiways 155 mph hybred efercy at top speed

@mikeoxlong3676

9 ай бұрын

Put some fuel stabilizer in there.

Great review. Realistic assessment of the Prius Prime and the real needs and expectations of the car-buying public. I'm thinking seriously about ordering one BUT I need to get past the idea of parting with my 17 year-old Porsche 911 (122,000 miles) and my 16 year-old V8 4Runner LTD (115,000 miles) -- two of the best vehicles I've ever owned. I'm a senior citizen now and I think I need just one car and the Prius Prime makes a great deal of sense.

Great review! My Prius Plug-in (the EU spec) is arriving in 2-3 weeks. So excited!

Best reviews. Thanks 👍

This new Prius looks amazing, looks futuristic without going over the top. I had a Prius 5 years ago before I got a used FJ Cruiser, which on my daily commute I miss because it's simple to drive and gets over 50 mpg easily (compared to my 15 mpg FJ). Oh on your future reviews, can you happen to mention if your feet/shoes fit under the front seat whenever you're sitting in the back? It makes a big difference as far as comfort. Thanks!

@sharonbraselton4302

9 ай бұрын

lamvghíni 1980 c8ntàche 7 mpgs

My mom has one and its hella fun to drive daily, excellent car

Awesome review - thx

PHEVs are the way to go for the near future. I have a ‘21 Prius prime and I live in an apartment with no charging. I maybe charge at the mall once every 2 months. I drive in hybrid mode 100% of the time while maintaining roughly 50-60% battery on the larger traction battery. I get 60-65mpg on the highway (with a roof basket and bike mount) and 75+mpg on local routes. Utilize regen braking as much as possible without being an ass on the road

very detailed review. what was your observed mpg when not in electric only mode?

I guess it’s the car that I needed the most on trip as a rental, esp in the Europe where the fuel prices are just too high.

Best review of the Prius Prime !!

people who are commenting on the price, are you considering that that is basically fully loaded? you can get lower trim levels with fewer extras

I'm currently drive a gen 1 Volt. Unless a better option presents itself in a year or 2 this new Prius will be my new car.

Love the new design of the Prius. Looking to getting one in the future but hearing that Toyota is severely limited in the production (at least for NA). Good luck trying to find one in many parts of the country that don't have a 5K or even 10K+ dealer adjustment.

Dang, was looking forward to seeing you take this on the off-road course! 😂

@drivingsports

10 ай бұрын

If only they made it AWD!

What’s a great review ❤

The best presentation of Prius yet😊

Nice review and cool guy 👍

very detailed review

There's a part where this is compared to the Crosstrek: Honestly, nothing beats the Crosstrek in terms of cabin space. We had more people space in our 18' Crosstrek than my 08 4runner, and 21' RR velar.

Speaking of the electric hummer, my boss bought one and it was about 6 months old when he decided to take a road trip. He regretted that. First he had range anxiety, then the Hummer broke down. Apparently the battery went on him and he had to get it towed to the dealership. They said it would cost 30k (Canadian) to replace the battery but luckily it was under warranty. He ended up buying a Land Rover Defender.

@drivingsports

9 ай бұрын

😯

seeing quite a few of these in Japan, they are everywhere and look good

Right now, it’s a waiting game for the prices to drop

And this is why the Chevy Volt was underrated. I got 45+ electric only miles in my 2017 and 40+mpg in hybrid mode. Was a great commuter car and had a 10yr head start over this one. And only now people are starting to realize all the advantages to them over pure EV.

Very well said at the end

I am so glad I got a base model 2022 Prius Prime for $31,000 last year and was able to use the Oregon rebate program to reduce that price even further. When I drive between Beaverton & Tillamook my Prius Prime does just fine in Eco Mode with two people, but I will switch to Power Mode if I need to pass somebody. I feel that Toyota dropped the ball with the new Prius & Prius Prime between the lack of headroom and the gauge display that goes for flash over functionality. Over $35,000 is way too pricey for a commuter vehicle that is supposed to help people be less dependent on gasoline. Not only that, I'm not paying that much for a vehicle where I can't fit in the back seat comfortably. Furthermore, the 19 inch wheels lack sensibility since they reduce electric range and I'd rather have more sidewall for the various road types in Oregon. Overall, I rather enjoyed your review despite the vehicle having some flaws.

18:33 Well that's stupid. I don't want/need some 'eyeball' scanner to spy on me like that.

I got mine se trim yesterday love it so far So much improvement in the power

@prabhakarkotipalli-qe8ep

2 ай бұрын

Great. How is it now?

YOu can adjust the seat height also to help look over the steering wheel. I am 6' and have no problem seeing the cluster.

@Vegasrat

9 ай бұрын

Im 6'6 and smash head on roof

@marcprobin1659

9 ай бұрын

@@Vegasrat I guess there are a lot of vehicles you don't fit. Do you have a large torso on top of that?

Thanks for this great video. What’s the difference between the 2023 and 2024 Prius Prime XSE?

They need a “yoke style” steering wheel for that heads up display.

best intro music in the biz..

Love your show, watched all of the episodes…cut the intro, I have to FF at least first 2 min 😂

Ryan, I agree with your three main points. Manuals are better than automatics. The second row of the new Prius is nearly useless. Despite the rear seat, the Prius is a better choice than the electric Hummer. 😁

@sharonbraselton4302

9 ай бұрын

elrrc hummer

As a Rav4 Prime owner I look forward to getting one of these as well. I have one on order and after I take delivery on it I'll probably sell the Rav4 and get a Tacoma or something.

@sharonbraselton4302

9 ай бұрын

buy eav 4 hybredd

Nevermind BEVs for Toyota. Just make everything prime.

I watch the videos no matter what the vehicle is. Really enjoy the content. The one thing that always sticks out to me is does Ryan know how hard most of these cars and trucks are to actually find in stock or at a dealer even willing to order? I live in Dallas and the dealers are really only full of F-150 models, VW ID.4 models and Jeep Gladiators. Every other unit is really just not available. If you do find one, they are still marked up. I actually looked at a Toyota dealer and a Chevrolet dealer with $5-$6k in add-on stickers.

@drivingsports

10 ай бұрын

Our videos have a shelf life of at least 1-2 years. Obviously availability will vary dramatically over that timeline. So we avoid talking about since it vary dramatically.

@jamesh1641

10 ай бұрын

@@drivingsports makes sense. We can dream at least.

@seiph80

10 ай бұрын

​@@jamesh1641 Sorry to hear that. I ordered my vehicle to exactly how I wanted it at MSRP... but the catch is still a long wait, in my case, 7 months. I'm not saying you fall into this category, but most folks I know here in DFW just don't have the patience to wait for what they want.

@jamesh1641

10 ай бұрын

@@seiph80 thank you for your note. Do hope all goes to plan. Unless you have prepaid the purchase, the dealer still has market pricing power over you even if it’s an order.

Hopefully a mid gen update brings AWD to the Prius prime, add the rear electric motor and push it to like 280hp. That’ll be sweet.

@sunnyvalentino

10 ай бұрын

GR Prius coming

@sharonbraselton4302

9 ай бұрын

buy porshe 911 hybred

@sharonbraselton4302

9 ай бұрын

vovko hybdre bkw hybrdé

@lizechard

6 ай бұрын

make your own then lol

@KevinLin145

6 ай бұрын

​@@lizechard I already did. Your mom had a blast riding in it last night.

I got on the list for a 2024 Prius Prime in Montreal and I will be waiting 12-18 months. I really wish they could make more of these, but I think that they are only going to push out ~15,000 of these in 2024.

@TomLawlor-iq6gm

Ай бұрын

We waited 21 months for our 2024 Prime. Love it. These extraordinarily long lead times must be really hurting sales. We had actually ordered a 2022 !

I'm happy hybrids don't need to be slow anymore. Around 80-90 more horsepower over the Corolla Hybrid and a good bit more efficient to boot. A plug-in hybrid is 100% the logical next step. Best of both worlds.

Could you buy the XSE and install the SE wheels?

I’m not paying 5k over msrp bc “Market adjustments.” They can kiss it.

Exterior design is awesome. Toyota needs to take cues from the likes of Peugeot 3008 and Hyundai Tucson for the interior design. So maybe wait for the next facelift.

This is my dream car right now besides a supercar

Looked at one while at a Toyota dealer. Looks really good, can’t believe there is market adjustment in new Priuses priuii?

@EveryPriceGougingStealership

10 ай бұрын

MARK UP MASTER RACE STICKER PRICE PEASANTS NEED NOT APPLY. Johnny Guest and the rest of his peasant family can stay at home.

I have a 2021 Prius Prime and while the styling is good compared to previous it's not a 2023 Prius Prime. All that being said, I don't think I could go to back to an all ICE or all EV vehicle. Not having to fill your gas tank but once a month or less is soooooo nice. Yet, not having range anxiety either is perfect. It truly is THE best car. Not a giant battery that will take years to offset the carbon emissions created in the process of making the battery and not the enormous amount of greenhouse gases created by driving on gas all the time. When driving on battery 99% of the time AND paired with solar panels and you'll be zero carbon footprint in NO time at all compared to an all electric car with it's giant battery that requires a mountain of minerals to make.

I would get one for commuting… if only I could find one at the dealership lol

Looks like removed the “heads up” display. And when move so many controls to “touch screen” actually can be more dangerous as Requires Eyes for hand position unlike touch location with push buttons/toggles.

Indeed. I mean definitely a sweet spot

Maybe a flat top steering wheel would fix the gauge issue.

I like it but after being in one its pretty much a coupe. You gotta have short people sitting i the back. As in less than 5’9 cause thats how tall I am and my head was touching the roof. Upfront was better but Im not too sure how well someone 6ft and up would do.

I really wish the RAV4 Prime was easily available at every dealership. It sure seems like the perfect vehicle for me.

@EveryPriceGougingStealership

9 ай бұрын

got some for 20k over sticker.

43 THOUSAND!

@chuckwalla2967

10 ай бұрын

You can buy two Kia Fortes for that price.

@TJDST4

10 ай бұрын

​@@chuckwalla2967I wouldn't.

I wish Toyota offered more PHEVs. It's this and the RAV4. I do think Toyota's strategy of hybridizing more of their lineup is more meaninful for reducing emissions than other automakers that make a few BEVs, but are still largely selling ICE vehicles. PHEV is the logical next step. Most people could utilize the EV driving mode for the vast majority of their driving without any impact to their existing lifestyle or driving habits.

Seems like this in a Rav4 version makes way more sense. Can't put a bike or baby seat in it and likely has no spare. To me, all of these should be able to operate as a short term generator for your house. Enough to keep your frig running and a few smaller items.

It would be a great buy if you could actually get one, and for those few who can find one, it would be great it there wasn't a $25,000 markup slapped onto it.

I thought that they didn’t offer AWD because there is a larger battery on the Prime. Not about or related to maximizing efficiency. An AWD version of this would sell out so fast!

5:01 YES I fully agree 100%. I went and sat in a new prius while waiting for my 2017 camry to be serviced. I was very disappointed that I could not adjust the wheel without it blocking the gauges! 5’8” here.

I want one but I know it’ll be hard to find and when I do find one it’ll cost an extra $10k.

Now do an offroad video with the Prius!

0:50 not really true. I have the standard hybrid 2023 Prius and it’ll go into EV mode at speeds of 30+ MPH if you’re driving at a steady rate and not accelerating quickly

I would LOVE to see the total elimination of stealerships. Why don’t vehicle manufacturers just decide to go direct to consumers, and just built service centers? Dealers are bad for business, most are overpriced, huge markups, many have been caught defrauding customers, and the list goes on. Vehicle manufactures should go direct to consumer and eliminate the middle man. That would make their vehicles more affordable and accessible to most middle class Americans…

I don’t have anything against EVs, they just don’t work for my driving requirements. However this is a pretty cool setup with PHEV. If they made a PHEV version of the BZ4x/Soltera, I’d be all about it. The front drive only with minimal ground clearance, just doesn’t fit what I need. Nice car though.

@sharonbraselton4302

9 ай бұрын

buy ekrrç humner ekrrc f150

@default7950

9 ай бұрын

The PHEV version of the bZ4X is called RAV4. It also has more cargo space without the sloping rear and you get a rear wiper.

@adamblakeley5865

9 ай бұрын

@@default7950 I’ve ridden in RAV4s before. Not the PHEV version but the NA version. I’m assuming the PHEV version would be identical other than the drivetrain, so no thanks. Those are trash.

Райн Спасибо добра мира Лайк поддержки)

Kinda waiting on Lexus variants with the same powertrain.

@chri5jame5

10 ай бұрын

Lexus NX

my rav4 prime is amazing. I get around 45 mpg!!! a lot of low speed driving around 60 mph avg... this is the way to go for the next 5 years easy.

Only if Prime would cost same as non plug in hybrid, than it will make sense to buy one. I’m paying 20 c per kw for electricity. It’s coming out almost the same as regular Prius with gas $3.80 per gallon. Don’t be fooled by 110 mpge. It’s only 75. Just count by your self, what you pay for electric and gas and what is consumption of your plug in car. My mpg over years gen 4 Prius over 58, manual calculated

My wish would be for a plug-in hybrid, with its performance advantages, to offer the ability to *fully* recharge itself while driving (like a hybrid). I guess that might take another few years - if at all - for technology to allow that.

@drivingsports

10 ай бұрын

Charge Mode can do that.

@therabidsquirrelsage3388

10 ай бұрын

🤦 someone needs a physics class.

Nice car, but 43k for a Prius? Holy Crap.

Yeah, but none are available for a test drive and dealers asking for at least 20% percent markup price.

43K to save some fuel? Gimme a break

@aboutface102

9 ай бұрын

It’s a nice car and has good power, it’s more than just an eco a to b

@DerrickFishes

Ай бұрын

It’s a nice car with a smaller carbon footprint, which could help start to sway certain gas powered enthusiasts to start considering it which add more people to the hybrid train. They have other budget options..

Thank you, Toyota, for removing the ugly factor penalty, for having to own and drive a Prius.

What if they made the top of the steering wheel clear as a joke

Its costs like model y . 43 k . I would go model Y

That instrument cluster is a foolish oversight.

Does he look 6 foot 1 to you???

Why would you pick this over Model 3? Same price.

@drivingsports

10 ай бұрын

Different buyer. This is for folks that can’t go all-in on electric only.

@h.h.1266

10 ай бұрын

@@drivingsports Ah yes, if you live in an apartment or something. Makes sense. Although I know many folks that are keeping a Tesla in an apartment and charge it at the supercharger once a week. Nevertheless, if Tesla ever gets to the $25K car they’re aiming for, it’s going to kill the market for a lot of cars. Thanks for your videos - I watch every single one of them!

@jml9550

9 ай бұрын

Yes difference buyer. I asked my wife if she wants a Lexus NX hybrid or Tesla MYLR. She chose the Lexus. Long story short, wrote a $52k check in April on the Lexus.

It's hyBRID, not hyBRED

$44K way overpriced. I’d get a hybrid Highlander for may be a top trim

Imagine buying a GTI just to get gapped by a Prius.

@merrichoang6858

10 ай бұрын

You must have not check the specs of the 2025 GTi.

@anthonykiedis1765

10 ай бұрын

@@merrichoang6858 you can't buy a 2025 GTI. But a 2023 GTI only has a few more hp than this Prius 🤣

@merrichoang6858

9 ай бұрын

@@anthonykiedis1765 2023 GTi is outdated. They are revealing an upgrade version GTi.

Easily selling these 10k over sticker.

Even MSRP is too expensive

I thought these didn't even do Level 2 charging.

@ALMX5DP

10 ай бұрын

It does, but it’s quite slow at like 3.5kw max. I think the prior Prime had a 7.7kw level 2 charge rate.

It looks like a Honda CRZ

@theunown1912

10 ай бұрын

Yes but a more generic adaptation of the design.

@ALMX5DP

10 ай бұрын

Would be interesting if they offered the Prius in a manual like the CRZ.

was there a spare?

@flea10x6

10 ай бұрын

Looks like removed from where my spare sits. Seems each iteration looses some of the neat “cubbyholes”

@sharonbraselton4302

9 ай бұрын

it has ruñ flat tierws

Impossible to find

I’ve heard a lot of reviews mention the digital gauge cluster being obstructed however, what many in the States fail to realize is this is a JAPANESE vehicle made for the demographic of Japan whose height is much smaller than Americans. Obviously, this isn’t an excuse for poor design but something to keep in mind.

@bitbat9

9 ай бұрын

the people complaining about the gauge cluster being obstructed didn't take 5 min to adjust their seat & steer wheel position. I've been driving the new prius for 6 months and have never once had an issue with the gauge cluster

I would probably prefer to go with the "regular" Prius with AWD over the Prime. I don't really know how much value that 40-ish miles of all-electric range is going to help anyone -- PHEV prices are usually rather insanely higher than "regular" hybrids, so you've got to drive a LOT of all-electric miles to save enough to cover the initial cost. Yeah, yeah, greenhouse gases and all that, but if you look just a little bit beyond the end of your nose, you might find that billions of people on this planet aren't going to "go electric" within decades, and "industry" is nearly LAUGHING at how the commercial world remains deeply entrenched in the fossil-fueled world. So, perhaps when you see truckloads of Tesla vehicles moving along freeways near you, powered by that so-called "Tesla Semi" truck, then that might show some commitment towards reducing our greenhouse gas emissions beyond just "selling more cars."

Car looks and performs great. Having a mode that uses the gasoline engine to charge the battery is the dumbest thing Toyota has ever done. News flash its more efficient to just use the ICE engine to drive the car than convert the mechanical energy to electricity to chemical energy and back to mechanical energy. I know the engineers couldn't possibly be this stupid, so it must have been the consumers that demanded this clown mode. 😂

@alsheremeta

10 ай бұрын

What if you were on a long road trip, battery is depleted and you are approaching a mountainous stretch with high passes and you want the extra power for that. If you knew how many miles at highway speed you needed to charge the battery fully, you could plan ahead for the passes.

@therabidsquirrelsage3388

10 ай бұрын

@@alsheremeta The engine by itself is more than sufficient to get you up any reasonable grade that passenger cars are expected to climb. Running the engine to charge the battery up is less efficient than just using the engine. It would make sense on a car with a very small range extender engine that couldn't push you up a hill by itself, but not on this car. You're just trading efficiency for entertainment.

@chri5jame5

10 ай бұрын

if you haven't heard of the BMW i3 Range Extender you're in for a shock

@therabidsquirrelsage3388

10 ай бұрын

@@chri5jame5 Yes I have heard of the BMW i3 range extender... Not sure how that has anything to do with a driving mode on a Toyota Prius but sure.

@alsheremeta

9 ай бұрын

@@therabidsquirrelsage3388 How about a uphill grade with a passing lane and you want to pass the RV's and semis you have been stuck behind for 30 minutes.... In any case, I'd rather have the feature available and never use it, than it not be available, thanks Toyota!

Fake leather?

Too expensive to be a commuter car.

@ALMX5DP

10 ай бұрын

Average price for a new car is like $48k, so apparently for many it’s not. I’d like to see it be more like $30-35k but i too am living 15 years in the past.

@davidmccarthy6061

10 ай бұрын

@@ALMX5DP That "average" is very skewed because of all the $60K+ cars. Only the wealthy can afford an "average" car. Everyone else gets a $23K Sentra or buys used.

@ALMX5DP

10 ай бұрын

@@davidmccarthy6061 I barely see any true base or subcompacts anymore. Maybe there’s a median figure that is a bit more representative but either way there is a pretty sizable population that is buying at these prices.

@thomas735

10 ай бұрын

@@ALMX5DPall debt

@JWFas

10 ай бұрын

@@ALMX5DP An average is just a mathematical mean, but that doesn't equate with "reasonable".

Hideous interior.

Nope. BMW M3 is the ultimate commuter car, plus Jeremy Clarkson proved years ago using science that a M3 gets better fuel mileage than a Prius.

@drivingsports

10 ай бұрын

Prius Prime doesn’t use any gas on a normal commute making the Clarkson test moot.

@Anomize23

10 ай бұрын

Yeah YEARS ago 🙄

@sharonbraselton4302

9 ай бұрын

buy m3