2023 Preserve Distance Invitational

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Disc Golf pros battle it out at the First Annual Preserve Distance Invitational!
Competitors: Ezra Aderhold, Anthony Barela, Kevin Jones, Alex Geisinger, Adam Hammes, David Wiggins Jr, Garrett Gurthie, Gannon Buhr, Simon Lizotte, and Albert Tamm
Venue: Airborn Disc Golf Preserve, Clearwater Minnesota
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  • @SkyoteFPV
    @SkyoteFPV7 ай бұрын

    I did the drone chase on this event. Thanks for all the love in the comments!

  • @doncampbell9356

    @doncampbell9356

    7 ай бұрын

    Awesome!

  • @cupbowlspoonforkknif

    @cupbowlspoonforkknif

    7 ай бұрын

    It is so cool seeing a hyper flip from a drone!

  • @chrishahn2937

    @chrishahn2937

    7 ай бұрын

    Nice flying!

  • @SquirtHoliday

    @SquirtHoliday

    7 ай бұрын

    ​@@cupbowlspoonforkknifit's spelled HYZER, gosh. I bet you can't throw a berg 400 ft even

  • @Chris.Davies

    @Chris.Davies

    7 ай бұрын

    We have a Drone racing League right next to a DGC of mine, and they get some freaky-deaky footage of the boys trying for Eagle on #4. It adds a whole new meaning to the "birds eye view". My only wish is that drone propellers become toroidal, and silent!

  • @TommyGunz3
    @TommyGunz37 ай бұрын

    The fact that AB is closing in on 90mph is absolutely insane. Kid's a freak

  • @joeydupont7664

    @joeydupont7664

    7 ай бұрын

    He’s throwing a Z-Lite NukeOS, probably in the 156 gram range, but 87 is still 87💀

  • @ZachBoyce_DG

    @ZachBoyce_DG

    7 ай бұрын

    Simon can hit 100+

  • @octogintillion

    @octogintillion

    7 ай бұрын

    ​@@ZachBoyce_DGLol no

  • @ZachBoyce_DG

    @ZachBoyce_DG

    7 ай бұрын

    @@octogintillion There’s literally video proof lmao yes he can do it so maybe make sure you right before commenting

  • @obhmusic

    @obhmusic

    7 ай бұрын

    @@ZachBoyce_DG I found a video of him throwing into a net. that throw was 92 mph, and he claims he threw one earlier at 98 mph. still not 100, and if the net wasn't there the disc would've cut rolled at 40 ft.

  • @jgray2718
    @jgray27187 ай бұрын

    I'm consistently impressed with Hammes' distance. He doesn't seem like a "distance guy" and he doesn't have the arm speed of the other guys, but he's always up there in these contests.

  • @larsgravdal4872

    @larsgravdal4872

    7 ай бұрын

    He seems to always get the distance lines right

  • @xzacto3100

    @xzacto3100

    7 ай бұрын

    He’s really good at spinning the disc, kinda like eagles sidearm

  • @rfinnegan7106

    @rfinnegan7106

    7 ай бұрын

    He seems to read the wind well and uses the flight tendencies to get safe distance shots.

  • @brickchains1

    @brickchains1

    7 ай бұрын

    He's my #1 underrated player, I predict the next season he will be at the top of competitive play.

  • @juhokoo

    @juhokoo

    7 ай бұрын

    ​@@brickchains1He's just not very consistent. Definitely can win any tournament but could also be among the last ones.

  • @DoobieFerguson
    @DoobieFerguson7 ай бұрын

    I love how Albert just walks up and throws normally. Dude is insane

  • @BryceRogers_

    @BryceRogers_

    7 ай бұрын

    yeah that was genuinely nuts. I love how he was hovering at a cool 70 and hitting golf lines

  • @DoobieFerguson

    @DoobieFerguson

    7 ай бұрын

    @@BryceRogers_Right? Was just another day of field practice for him lmao

  • @rfwhyte
    @rfwhyte7 ай бұрын

    The drone follow shots really made this video exceptional. Haven't really seen a view like that flying behind a disc and holy smokes was it cool to see!

  • @Worldwar3TV

    @Worldwar3TV

    7 ай бұрын

    @Skyote is a badass!

  • @Eyedbythetiger
    @Eyedbythetiger7 ай бұрын

    This was a great lineup. Love seeing KJUSA & Simon.

  • @MajesticMasiakasaurus
    @MajesticMasiakasaurus7 ай бұрын

    600 feet into a ripping headwind is actually insane

  • @djbme83
    @djbme837 ай бұрын

    Shout out to the drone pilot. Amazing shots.

  • @TheStreamlinedStartup
    @TheStreamlinedStartup7 ай бұрын

    Ezra with the behind-the-back hat catch @ 5:00!

  • @supdawg_27

    @supdawg_27

    7 ай бұрын

    Holy shit, now that is smoothness.

  • @benso87

    @benso87

    7 ай бұрын

    I wish they would have stayed in that slow-mo shot for just a bit longer because of that.

  • @stephenbertram1
    @stephenbertram17 ай бұрын

    The Ezra hat catch is arguably the most impressive part of his throwing here 😅

  • @zachott7174

    @zachott7174

    7 ай бұрын

    just as good a matt. o catching his shades every throw lmao

  • @EzraAderholdDG

    @EzraAderholdDG

    7 ай бұрын

    Hahahaha sad but true 🥲😂

  • @TooMuchButtHair
    @TooMuchButtHair7 ай бұрын

    Props to the drone pilot for some INSANE footage!

  • @JR-kw3be

    @JR-kw3be

    7 ай бұрын

    It would be cool to see some of that on the tour

  • @BeaEmBee
    @BeaEmBee7 ай бұрын

    I'm impressed with the drone operators ability to follow the disk

  • @Landoniousiii
    @Landoniousiii7 ай бұрын

    That was some amazing drone flying!

  • @chadbuxton2063
    @chadbuxton20637 ай бұрын

    I never thought I'd see geisinger and Wiggins throwing against each other again! What a classic bomber matchup.

  • @davycrocket4858

    @davycrocket4858

    7 ай бұрын

    Geisinger has kinda awkward looking form. It's surprising that it comes out with so much speed and distance

  • @natetobias9389
    @natetobias93897 ай бұрын

    If only Barela could’ve landed some in bounds 😮

  • @jekogl
    @jekogl7 ай бұрын

    Wow, that drone follow shot is next level!

  • @Sir_Leelord
    @Sir_Leelord7 ай бұрын

    I wish they gave AB and simon 10 throws, I could watch them throw all day

  • @hyzersoze1
    @hyzersoze17 ай бұрын

    Almost hitting 400 at 76 is even more impressive

  • @crunchywolf
    @crunchywolf7 ай бұрын

    I just want to shout out and say the drone work on this video is naaasssty. Nice job!

  • @nodontshoot6688
    @nodontshoot66887 ай бұрын

    I love these special events, keep putting them out during the off-season. so cool. thank you.

  • @jeffledbetter29
    @jeffledbetter297 ай бұрын

    The drone camera is epic!

  • @JomezPro

    @JomezPro

    7 ай бұрын

    Shout out @SkyoteFPV!

  • @discfan6829
    @discfan68297 ай бұрын

    I love this video! Hopefully this will be a recurring event! Thanks to all involved in making this.

  • @Lampfaho
    @Lampfaho7 ай бұрын

    Thanks for including meters

  • @JeffreyGoddin
    @JeffreyGoddin7 ай бұрын

    And here comes the off-season content! Thanks Jomez!

  • @silvianosanchez8430
    @silvianosanchez84305 ай бұрын

    This was so much fun to watch.

  • @josephjennings5945
    @josephjennings59457 ай бұрын

    Barela making a Nuke OS look like a Passion 😅

  • @rfinnegan7106

    @rfinnegan7106

    7 ай бұрын

    I couldn't flip a Nuke OS even if I started upside down!

  • @hagenschwark8908

    @hagenschwark8908

    7 ай бұрын

    It’s like 156g

  • @josephjennings5945

    @josephjennings5945

    7 ай бұрын

    @@hagenschwark8908 I throw 400-450. If a nuke OS weighed 120g I’m not convinced I could flip it like that lololol

  • @Bobicek18
    @Bobicek187 ай бұрын

    Exclusive drone footage! Extra top job!

  • @jacobie4521
    @jacobie45217 ай бұрын

    There is something really wholesome about Garrett smiling and recording ab as he throws in a competition

  • @clint_davis
    @clint_davis7 ай бұрын

    A++++ Drone team!!

  • @feelthepayne88
    @feelthepayne887 ай бұрын

    Sick, love the chase drone!

  • @jacobsirratt7919
    @jacobsirratt79197 ай бұрын

    Skyote!!!

  • @joshmeadows4814
    @joshmeadows48147 ай бұрын

    Love the distance comp no matter what but I just wish they could go somewhere where if there’s a head wind they can just go to the other side of the field and have tail wind, I wanna see 700ft throws 😂

  • @oftankoftan

    @oftankoftan

    7 ай бұрын

    "we're gonna throw on the other side of the field, and Josh Meadows here is going to move the tents, the flags, the benches and the PA system"

  • @brandonralston25
    @brandonralston257 ай бұрын

    Please do more of these! Few things better than watching the best in the game go full send on a disc!

  • @JoeyLucier0
    @JoeyLucier07 ай бұрын

    WOW need more of this next year!!

  • @RipperStudio
    @RipperStudio7 ай бұрын

    Thank you for this content! I have always wanted more distance comps and skill comps to be covered.

  • @JustinFernDesign
    @JustinFernDesign7 ай бұрын

    Awesome stuff! I'll never understand OB in distance competitions. Especially with this kind of wind. ( i get mowing & all that stuff but still)

  • @davycrocket4858

    @davycrocket4858

    7 ай бұрын

    Same reason they have it in shotput to javelin etc. I suppose. So competitors are accountable for throwing in a general direction where it can be spotted and marked by spotters

  • @darktators9198
    @darktators91987 ай бұрын

    Digging the music. Electronic and disc golf goes together so well

  • @tonylooper4932
    @tonylooper49327 ай бұрын

    So. Much. Fun to watch!

  • @dh910
    @dh9107 ай бұрын

    the drone following the discs is awesome

  • @joehagen8821
    @joehagen88217 ай бұрын

    Kevin jones out here timing the release with the music. Classic!

  • @discjunkiesDGT
    @discjunkiesDGT7 ай бұрын

    Sick throws from all, wow!!

  • @ericparker308
    @ericparker3087 ай бұрын

    The drone footage was awesome!!

  • @henrywitecki
    @henrywitecki7 ай бұрын

    Wiggins is a SAVAGE

  • @ChrisCoffeeCrypto
    @ChrisCoffeeCrypto7 ай бұрын

    Wasn’t expecting an upload!

  • @devoni036
    @devoni0367 ай бұрын

    Disc golf power display. Nice.

  • @davidf.1940
    @davidf.19407 ай бұрын

    Man, I wish they had a tailwind. I bet if there was no OB one of them could've thrown 750😂

  • @trailnscaleRC
    @trailnscaleRC7 ай бұрын

    awesome!! great drone shots too

  • @BumAssGolfer
    @BumAssGolfer7 ай бұрын

    John Kirkland stole the show. "Huckin it hard an hopin" John Kirkland.

  • @KoletheCotter
    @KoletheCotter7 ай бұрын

    Lol David just deciding not to be affected by headwind

  • @hydropotimus
    @hydropotimus7 ай бұрын

    I like the format and stuff. Good show.

  • @MrAxecius
    @MrAxecius7 ай бұрын

    Give that drone pilot a raise!

  • @jeremyringulet5787
    @jeremyringulet57877 ай бұрын

    I went 512’ one time with perfect wind…. I don’t even understand! These guys are MONSTERS!!!

  • @R_J_G
    @R_J_G7 ай бұрын

    Drone follow is sick!

  • @daveslocum5625
    @daveslocum56257 ай бұрын

    so glad to see geisinger back in here. lot of people dont know how fricken far he throws, hasnt done any comps or toured for 3 years and still comes in 2nd

  • @JustinFernDesign

    @JustinFernDesign

    7 ай бұрын

    By far the most successful "unique" form out there

  • @andrews6323

    @andrews6323

    7 ай бұрын

    It would be great to see him come out of retirement next season and tour

  • @thefriesens1071

    @thefriesens1071

    7 ай бұрын

    His throws glide better than anyone else's. So smooth.

  • @cromandum217

    @cromandum217

    7 ай бұрын

    nothing unique about it, looks almost identical to wiggins@@JustinFernDesign

  • @JustinFernDesign

    @JustinFernDesign

    7 ай бұрын

    ​@@cromandum217 Really? Full speed? ..you think?

  • @coreyman-xr3io
    @coreyman-xr3io7 ай бұрын

    That drone coverage was awesome!! and the distance those guys are throwing is incredible

  • @Infernox-yi3vx
    @Infernox-yi3vx7 ай бұрын

    Shame it was a heavy head wind. Would have like to see the actual distance these guys have. Cool video regardless!

  • @murphyd8205

    @murphyd8205

    7 ай бұрын

    It being way downhill sorta balanced it out, about what they would throw on calm flat ground

  • @octogintillion

    @octogintillion

    7 ай бұрын

    ​Maybe, but the wind did make it a lot harder for them to hit the right angle for a distance flight.

  • @isCarsonMiller

    @isCarsonMiller

    7 ай бұрын

    I wonder why they didn't just go to the other side of the field.

  • @vincentstubblefield4837

    @vincentstubblefield4837

    7 ай бұрын

    ​@isCarsonMiller that is the 3000 iq move...

  • @jeremytompkins9889

    @jeremytompkins9889

    7 ай бұрын

    It is not downhill. It’s a flat field where they threw

  • @davycrocket4858
    @davycrocket48587 ай бұрын

    The drone thing is cool and all but it would be nice to see one replay of the full flight of the disc on each throw from the crowd's POV

  • @aklevin

    @aklevin

    7 ай бұрын

    At least the winning throw

  • @davycrocket4858

    @davycrocket4858

    7 ай бұрын

    @@aklevin at the very least. It's just a confusing perspective from the drone and watching a disc fly is a big part of why DG is fun to play/watch. You can't really tell the direction the disc is flying or how far it's going from a bird's eye view that's moving

  • @Afropalmen
    @Afropalmen7 ай бұрын

    The drone followinf the disc was sweet to watch 😍

  • @Qwarzz

    @Qwarzz

    7 ай бұрын

    Indeed. I need to do this more. I've had one change to follow distance throws and had trouble slowing down with the disk. The pilot here was that really well.

  • @wvwIceMan13wvw
    @wvwIceMan13wvw7 ай бұрын

    I don’t care for disc golf but I like this even more than golf’s long drive event . I don’t care for regular golf either, this is better than cornhole lol

  • @millertimeast
    @millertimeast7 ай бұрын

    I’m calling it Anthony is beating David next year, bro could definitely throw 90 mph if he wanted to what a freak of nature

  • @centrcutninex295

    @centrcutninex295

    7 ай бұрын

    He's already out thrown him before.

  • @qstar710
    @qstar7105 ай бұрын

    This was great to watch

  • @mobofone2899
    @mobofone28997 ай бұрын

    Imagine someone with the consistency of Paul McBeth and the power of David Wiggins Jr.

  • @braydenvernon9649

    @braydenvernon9649

    7 ай бұрын

    Calvin?

  • @GavinSwaank

    @GavinSwaank

    7 ай бұрын

    probably the closest thing rn.@@braydenvernon9649

  • @jordanpetersen8629

    @jordanpetersen8629

    7 ай бұрын

    *Offended Barela noises*

  • @GavinSwaank

    @GavinSwaank

    7 ай бұрын

    @@jordanpetersen8629 consistency lol

  • @braydenvernon9649

    @braydenvernon9649

    7 ай бұрын

    @@jordanpetersen8629 I would say AB but I've been seeing a lot more Calvin on top this season. They're both wicked good

  • @jamielillywhite5615
    @jamielillywhite56157 ай бұрын

    The drone pilot deserves an oscar

  • @tymonjames8577
    @tymonjames85777 ай бұрын

    Holy cow these boys throw far!

  • @dcconstruction676
    @dcconstruction6767 ай бұрын

    How are there not more spectators? I have been waiting for this!!!@ distance competion that has a good structure to its filming and its commentary. I feel that has been absent since its dawn.

  • @jeremybjork5206

    @jeremybjork5206

    7 ай бұрын

    In this particular case it was kind of expensive, it was on a weds night (before the pro tour event started on Friday), and Clearwater is 1 hour+ from the twin cities. I may have considered it if it wasn't league night! If it were me running it I would try and book a separate venue within the cities just for this competition.

  • @billybuckner7762
    @billybuckner77627 ай бұрын

    Heres to huckin it hard and hoping..what a legend

  • @knochnmarc3595
    @knochnmarc35957 ай бұрын

    Followed by a drone.... now we have a new standard for disc golf coverage by JomezPro ;)

  • @btuhey
    @btuhey7 ай бұрын

    Discgolf Forever!

  • @klmauldin
    @klmauldin7 ай бұрын

    Awesome coverage. Thank you! Where was the drone footage of Wiggins Jr's qualifying shots?

  • @82tonypr
    @82tonypr7 ай бұрын

    This event is sweet, and very well done! Discs absolutely being BOMBED! The amount of turnover they're getting these massive high speed OS discs... Holy Crap! I wasn't expecting a Rosemount, MN Shout out! HOLY CRAP!! I didn't realize the whole thing was in MN! I have to go next year!

  • @Tupsu1
    @Tupsu17 ай бұрын

    13:10 that run up is wild 😂

  • @KillRoy117
    @KillRoy1176 ай бұрын

    Awesome event! The wind makes this competition much more challenging, and taking advantage of it requires much more skill than without. Game is hard! And the Minnesota wind at this area is rarely consistent.

  • @seattle2memphis
    @seattle2memphis7 ай бұрын

    @SkyoteFPV Is amazing at drone footage of discs. Have you ever accidently crashed into a disc in flight?

  • @SkyoteFPV

    @SkyoteFPV

    7 ай бұрын

    I have a couple times. Never during a competition. I try to stay back a bit to avoid that during these events.

  • @bixby9797
    @bixby97977 ай бұрын

    Into a headwind that was sick.

  • @ForceM1782
    @ForceM17827 ай бұрын

    One of these days, AB will just rip the disc apart on the throw like we get in Trap Shooting sometimes, and someone will yell "No bird!" 😅

  • @MikeyOnetwofour
    @MikeyOnetwofour7 ай бұрын

    That hat tan tine on AB is the best

  • @rogerherr5647
    @rogerherr56475 ай бұрын

    Can’t beat boss!!

  • @CraigsCuts
    @CraigsCuts7 ай бұрын

    Big jerm is such a gem 💎

  • @InspireBlue226
    @InspireBlue2267 ай бұрын

    Jerm is a great announcer. Excellent hype man skillz.

  • @isCarsonMiller
    @isCarsonMiller7 ай бұрын

    Record NHL slap shot is 108MPH so not quite there yet but still.. the fellas are throwing heat.

  • @MrKonkerable598

    @MrKonkerable598

    7 ай бұрын

    Not even comparable... hockey sticks bend on the ice and slingshot the puck forward so there is a mechanical advantage to hitting a fast slap shot with a hockey stick. Throwing a disc is purely using force generated through your body. A hockey shot is much closer to a golf swing and the golf record is almost 240mph so you should be saying hockey isnt quite there yet.

  • @chrisvanescobar

    @chrisvanescobar

    7 ай бұрын

    @@MrKonkerable598 Bro could you imagine someone in hockey doing a full-ass golf swing?! He'd get charged for manslaughter....

  • @kimmomatikainen1843

    @kimmomatikainen1843

    7 ай бұрын

    @@chrisvanescobar That might not work. Hockey stick is so stiff that it doesn't flex like that. It needs quite a lot of pressure against ice to flex.

  • @cb1373
    @cb13737 ай бұрын

    High Point NC represent!!! Johnson Street DGC FTW!!! 🎉

  • @jacobskovsbllknudsen5908
    @jacobskovsbllknudsen59087 ай бұрын

    Wiggins is a freakin specimen... Man... His form wows me everytime I see it... It looks dangerous and like only something that he should do, and maybe even not. So much force... Still, AB could be the new GOAT...

  • @ultrainstinctdiscgolf007

    @ultrainstinctdiscgolf007

    7 ай бұрын

    Eagle McMahon actually throws farther, he just doesn't do distance comps because of he already hurt his shoulder before. Watch him throw 704 feet in a head wind against Adam hammes

  • @shrapnel77

    @shrapnel77

    7 ай бұрын

    @@ultrainstinctdiscgolf007 Not questioning eagle's distance, but Wiggins in a contest will beat him. McMahon the much better golfer, of course.

  • @jacobskovsbllknudsen5908

    @jacobskovsbllknudsen5908

    7 ай бұрын

    @@ultrainstinctdiscgolf007 I think you're right in that Eagle potentially matches Wiggins' distance and could certainly beat him in competition. But, the reason Wiggins would still win "overall" is consistency in throwing distance lines, he practices distance. Whereas Eagle probably only practices placement and putting now-a-days, as he has no need for extra distance. Even the bad shots Wiggins get off have phenomenal nose angle control and speed...

  • @centrcutninex295

    @centrcutninex295

    7 ай бұрын

    No chance, AB out threw Eagle by 100 feet at the world's distance comp. That hole was downhill too.

  • @ultrainstinctdiscgolf007

    @ultrainstinctdiscgolf007

    6 ай бұрын

    @@centrcutninex295 eagle doesn't do distance comps you can watch eagle and ab play on a bunch of the same cards. On avg eagle makes it a point to out throw everyone on the card. You can see all the footage you want. There's many vids to choose from.

  • @InfiniteZombies777
    @InfiniteZombies7777 ай бұрын

    I was there 🔥

  • @kbark9270
    @kbark92707 ай бұрын

    Insane how much distance these guys get, especially in a headwind

  • @TwoOneSe7en
    @TwoOneSe7en7 ай бұрын

    Wiggins Jr is the distance GOAT, man. He still could be for a long time.

  • @benaussem3859
    @benaussem38597 ай бұрын

    Bro the riddim while Kevins throwing is my favourite thing ever 😂

  • @sliceofsparta8985
    @sliceofsparta89857 ай бұрын

    David has that 360 distance shot MASTERED. Fun to watch, but it's also incredible to see the golf guys take normal run-ups and go over 500 into a headwind. Ridiculous. Seemed like a smaller field this year, missed guys like Ricky and Goose!

  • @coach_chris_taylor

    @coach_chris_taylor

    7 ай бұрын

    This was an invitational at the Preserve. Only 10 top throwers invited. The next big distance event coming up is the 2023 US Distance Championship

  • @sliceofsparta8985

    @sliceofsparta8985

    7 ай бұрын

    @@coach_chris_taylor Good to know, thanks!

  • @brettharlow5631
    @brettharlow56317 ай бұрын

    LETS GO

  • @stefanmccabe4705
    @stefanmccabe47057 ай бұрын

    That’s a bummer with the headwind. AB with the OS roller 🤘😂

  • @macheteddie
    @macheteddie7 ай бұрын

    There should be a total distance winner too

  • @revolutionofordinaries
    @revolutionofordinaries7 ай бұрын

    Pretty sure Wiggins was OB on that winning throw. Pause at 51:29 and the disc hits the OB rope...you can see the OB rope push right before the disc hits the ground.

  • @AussBosss
    @AussBosss7 ай бұрын

    Dirk Diggler, Dick Delaware, John E. Depth, Garrett Gurthie.

  • @MrListen2meplez
    @MrListen2meplez6 ай бұрын

    In bounds landing on the line for the win fighting that ugly wind…594’ nice job David

  • @danieledson2071
    @danieledson20717 ай бұрын

    Albert faking out the drone though 😂

  • @theelementair96
    @theelementair967 ай бұрын

    GG looking like he's been hitting the gym! Keep it up brother!

  • @juhokoo

    @juhokoo

    7 ай бұрын

    It's all about the jerky!

  • @gainesp2003gainesp
    @gainesp2003gainesp6 ай бұрын

    AB rocking the wicked cap tan...

  • @hellowellallen
    @hellowellallen7 ай бұрын

    NC!🤘

  • @matthewq2365
    @matthewq23657 ай бұрын

    Congrats DW!

  • @marccote888
    @marccote8885 ай бұрын

    Shouldn’t have watched this before going out to play in a little. Now I’ll probably come back with a dislocated arm and shoulder hahah.

  • @alyjos9103
    @alyjos91037 ай бұрын

    I know I don't have a podium or a place to stand here, but I feel like distance comps should always take place in neutral or tail wind conditions. I feel like throwing into head wind is frustrating and can situationally mess you up with gusts turning an otherwise good flex shot into a turn over. Plus, seeing them fight over how deep they can get into 600 is more fun than the best throwers having difficulty breaking 550. I know I may be completely wrong and everyone had more fun throwing into a headwind for all I know.

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