✅ 𝗟𝗲𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗟𝗼𝗰𝗼 : leaselo.co/notaguru-mg4

It's my fourth EV. Did over 5k miles already. It's a great looking, practical, great spec and decent range and value for money family car 🚗

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing

Great review Jim, I ordered my MG4 Trophy in White in October after a test drive, it’s so nice to drive. I was told my car is being delivered today, so should be ready for collection next week or the week after at the lates.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Right on! I think I’d pay the extra for the Trophy, nice car that’s great fun to drive.

@sputnikboy22

Жыл бұрын

Let us know how the range works out. Be interested to hear.

@paulmurphy2234

Жыл бұрын

Ordered a trophy and a week later was told it was sold, was offered a blue one only to phone back after 5 mins to say yes to the blue trophy to be told that was sold. next order it was still on the boat....so phoned another dealer today and as I drove to the dealer today a Red Trophy was coming of the back of a lorry and was told that was mine....Well done Stoke MG.

@Smokeysbandit

11 ай бұрын

@@paulmurphy2234 hi Paul, how are you finding the car. I am thinking of the trophy long range.

@paulmurphy2234

11 ай бұрын

@@Smokeysbandit can`t fault it the wife loves the car, I want the four wheel drive version.

Winter temperatures, using the heater and motorway speed is the trifecta of challenges for an EV. It’s why most now have heated seats, heated steering wheels as it’s far more energy efficient over heating the air (no engine to do that for you). In the summer, it’ll be the other way around - though similar on the motorway though regardless of temperature. Thanks Jim.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I reviewed plenty of EV’s but never in such low temperatures and I’ve never seen the range estimations so terribly wrong. Hopefully solid state batteries will improve matters in years to come.

@davidcolin6519

Жыл бұрын

@@DefinitelyNotAGuru I think that it's also worth pointing out that many EV users set the heating on for a while before disconnecting their cars and driving. That leaves the major heft on your house electric, and so saves the car's battery. I'm not sure if SS batteries will reach the market, but I am sure that battery technology will improve radically over the next decade. I think that it will be that which will see the most radical change of all. As for the missing buttons, I believe that the 4 has 2 programable buttons on the steering wheel. It would seem reasonable to use one for heater controls, the other for driving modes. But yeah, I agree with you that the removing of buttons is definitely not a step forward. But this theme appears to have gained a lot of momentum in many testers' comments, so I think that this particular cost-cutting tech idea is probably not going to survive, and the manufacturer which responds most quickly will benefit most. There again, it was Tesla that started this idiotic fad (for removing buttons) and it seems to be the sort of article of faith that Tesla may live to regret... because I really don't think that Tesla will return to buttons unless they are dragged kicking and screaming into doing so.

@derekshields7784

Жыл бұрын

I currently own a Skoda enyaq and something I’ve found is the range is most adversely affected by the number of short journeys in cold weather. Everything you have said is true but also the battery management system actively heats the battery to help prevent degradation and can use around 6Kw doing so. This is a major increase in energy usage from the battery if you are only driving for a short enough distance that the battery heater is constantly in use.

@martiangod

Жыл бұрын

@@davidcolin6519 you cant charge and heat simultaneously so do they heat then put it back on charhe while the cars cooling back down ? Pretty pointless

@davidcolin6519

Жыл бұрын

@@martiangod I don't know. I would suppose that you would charge and then bypass the battery to heat the vehicle direct from the input cable. Considering the technical abilities of the control systems, I see no reason why that would not be possible. I am only passing on comments from EV owners.

Great review. Cheers !

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Great review! Unlike most other reviews it’s refreshing to hear about it being actually fun to drive! Everyone else seems to have forgotten that driving dynamics and fun are also important to those of us in this sort of market too! I’m looking at one as part of the motability scheme due to my poor health, there’s not much interesting to us petrol heads on there but a well balanced all ev gives something new to the mix! The only other car I could get excited about on the scheme is the Alfa Romeo Tonale and that’s an suv so already loses drivers appeal (I currently have a 4.4 V8 BMW 545i) Thanks for the great review, you might have swayed me towards the geek side over the stylish Alfa!

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ace, take care of yourself. That 545 sounds lovely!!!

Lovly review, points to considder: 1. UK versions do not have heatpump, in Norway our only version (Luxury/Trophy) does have. That helps range vise in the cold. 2. SE do not have heated steering wheel or heated seats, that's only in the Trophy (In Norway we only got Thropy or Luxury as it's called her). One can save a lot energy using heated steering wheel and seats, and keep the coupe heater at a lower setting (top tip is to preheat the coupe while atatched to the grid). This is the name of the game to keep the range up in the cold for EVs. 3. In our petrol/diesel cars we can use a lot of energy and we only notice we have to fil up more often, an EV make our energy consumtion very obvius. Thats the real difference. Btw. Waiting for delivery of our MG4 Luxury her in Norway.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, you guys are about 10 years ahead of us when it come to charging infrastructure too from what I understand. Thanks for watching 👍

@crow3003

Жыл бұрын

@@DefinitelyNotAGuru update: Standard /SE is now available in Norway with a bit higer spec than in UK. Our Standard have heated front seats, heated steering wheel and backup sensors. Price from 285900 NOK / 25090 EUR / 22185 GBP + delivery, wintertyres etc.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

@@crow3003 £22k, wow!

Great review Jim… no fluff ! Lots of sensible and informative comments on this vid too, so I’ll refrain from my usual twaddle 😂😉

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha, thanks Jean, keep the twaddle coming.

Best seat review on KZread! Great review.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks! 😁

Hi Jim, loved the review! Les Burrows is a man that knows, & he covered a lot of what I was going to say. Of course even IC cars suffer from reduced range in cold conditions, (my Citroen hdi gets around 15% mpg reduction at this time of year) but of course heat is a waste product in IC cars, effectively free energy. It’s a shame you didn’t get to try the trophy model, as I’d have liked your opinion on the rear spoiler which I detest! Not just because of it’s looks, but it actually produces so much drag that the range is reduced by around 15 miles with no tangible benefit. My other pet hate is the lack of a rear wiper, and I wondered if you had had any issues with rear visibility because of this? Talking of rear visibility, if you want to avoid having the obnoxious spoiler, you won’t want the Trophy model. Unfortunately, this means you also won’t get a reversing camera, which I reckon is essential on this model as the view through the rear window seems to be pretty limited. What was your experience? I agree that this a very good car, which could be made into a great car with just a little more effort. As it is, though, I think the MG5 is the better choice overall.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Hi R B, thank you. Yes an ICE can get a slightly lower MPG in bad weather but the MG4 was very dissapointing in that regard. On the last day I had the car I charged it to 100% and it showed an estimated range of just 181, that figure then dropped by 24 miles during an 18.6 mile round trip on a mixture of 30 mph and 50 mph roads - it wasn't especially cold either. The lack of rear wiper did annoy me a bit but I forgot to mention it in the review. I'm hoping a version 2.0 of this can be a very special car as they got some of the difficult bits right (i.e. the drive). I'm hoping to get an MG5 in for review before too long. Cheers Jim

Great review. TV quality presentation 👍

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

You must be watching some poor quality TV 😂 seriously though. that’s very kind, thank you 🙏

Great honest review. I own a 19 reg Renault Zoe and experience the same range problems in winter although my full charge mileage readout reflects this dynamically after every charge, it tells me I'm getting around 120 miles at the moment and in the summer it increases to around 185 miles, maybe the mg4 needs a software update to do the same with its readouts. I'm holding out for the Mg4 sport later this year which sounds promising!

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Leigh 👍

I took delivery of one the week before Christmas the standard range version. During the cold spell I calculated a range of about 135 miles after a longish run out. Viewing other KZreadrs the summer range should give 180 miles, I hope. WLTP 218 miles hmmmm. My sons now five year old 30 kWh Soul still gives 100 plus winter miles probably due to Kia build and a heat pump. The car does drive brilliantly but has some early issues of people getting locked in their car, unable to escape and a gearbox oil leak. I do like the car but it is dependent on a few things improving come the summer months. Nice video by the way.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing John, several people commenting on a few teething troubles but the really difficult bit (making a great drivers car) is done so hopefully the rest can be sorted with software updates and a recall or two!

Pickup my MG4 SE Long range on Friday. It replaced the Zoe I had for the last 2.5 years. The Zoe suffered miserably in the winter months with range, especially if you ran the heater constantly, but in the Summer months got close to it's claimed range if you drove it like Church on Sunday. I expect similar from the MG4 due to the battery chemistry.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

👍👍

super helpful thank you

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

So glad!

Great word; aerodynamism 👌🏻👍🏻

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

decent Scrabble score

A great review, thanks.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

This is the one they're all talking about. Not only will the MG4 provide many who would like to move to an EV, the chance to do so, the MG4 may also serve as a marker to the other brands, and force them to be at least a little more competitive.....and if that happens, we all win. Nice one Jim. MG have also smartened their MG5 up nicely too in the new version, which is useful, because it's the *only* fully electric estate car on sale.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

I’m hoping to get one in for review before too long

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

@@DefinitelyNotAGuru I'll be looking out for that Jim.... the extra practicality of the MG5 is what would appeal to me personally. The MG5 is reported as being "softer" than the MG4, so I'm keen to see your take on it. Softer appeals to me, being of advancing years, and a more delicate constitution. It isn't difficult to see why MG's UK market share has rocketed in the last 18 months or so.....

The car is automatically set to 'intelligent' battery heating (7kW!) when its cold. Turn it off (in the menus) because it's not necessary unless you want fast high speed charging. I didn't find this out for the first several weeks of ownership and was disappointed with range. Now it's much much better.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Good tip James

Great review. I'm hoping to trade in my 18 Leaf for one shortly. I get similar range drops with the leaf also.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Stephen. Good luck with your search.

Another great honest review. A car is a very personal choice, but what the MG4 has done is extend the EV option to so many more people.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

👍👍👍

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

Choice is always a good thing......

Hi again Jim you know what, I love you and your channel and what you do on it, and this latest review you have done is the best review I have seen yet on the MG4 by a mile every word in it is very true, my wife’s had an SE standard range car for around 2 mouths now and she likes it and for what she does in it short journeys shopping trips etc its fine, we have been EV owners now for a couple of years with the MG5 so know only to well the ups and downs of owning one, I am also a member of the MGEVs owners forum and appear on there podcast sometimes so I do know and have learned quite a lot about all the tricks of driving EVs But Jim there are several issues with the MG4 many of them silly little things which can be very annoying to some and if you spend a little of your time reading some of the forum you will see for yourself some of the owners of these cars have had no end of problems trying to get some MG dealers to except the issues the car has and MG motors also refused to listen to some of the issues as well. You comment about the range of this car yeh from experience I can tell you it is poor very poor in fact I will be very surprised if it ever hits the 218 mile range it is said to do in fact several owners have said how poor it can be at one point our car was doing 2 mile per KW so a range as low as 100 miles I’m sure that will improve once temperatures improve but 218 I don’t see it. It is a great drive it goes around corners like it’s on rails and irons out everything you can throw at it on most surfaces You said in you video it’s a nice car and I have them same words as well but it could be a Great car if MG motors would listen to the owners but they don’t and won’t. I do feel sorry for some of the dealers to be honest they have been left to sort out problem on this car that should never have been there the oil leaks being one. The lack of any lighting in the rear and no grab handles to assist you getting in and out with sills that are so wide it is really hard for shorter people having to go into the screen to change many settings if you need to is not only poor but is dangerous when on the move. I could say a lot more but Im sure you have heard enough thank you for you time and the video and keep them coming yours are the very best in my honest opinion. Truthful or the point with no holds barred thank you. Les

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

That’s very kind Les, sorry to hear of the issues from what is seemingly an amazing driving platform. Give the video a share on the forum for me if you will and thanks for sharing your experience here 👍

@leslieburrows5293

Жыл бұрын

Already done mate on the hour you released it and with very good feedback Les

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

@@leslieburrows5293 you’re a gent 👍

Nice one Jim! It's a car having a lot of potential but a few teething issues. One omission seems odd in this era, lack of over the air software updates, as most of its niggles are software related and it always needs a dealer visit to fix who are small ones not built to take such volumes yet!

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Great point

I do like your reviews. Honest, entertaining and full of appropriate information. Nice job 👍

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

You’re a gent Keith

Enjoyed the review 👍

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

I have long term owner experience of two EVs, a Hyundai Ioniq and a Peugeot e208. Both are affected by cold weather and driving style, but the Hyundai is affected much less, and you can rely on the range it predicts you will get to within 10 miles, in summer I'm getting just over 200 miles of range and in the winter more like 175 miles which is plenty for everyday use. As you can rely on the quoted range it's also easy to plan appropriate charging stops on long journeys, so I've never suffered range anxiety in this car. The Peugeot is a different matter. I like the car a lot and as a "city car" it’s fantastic but I don't like taking it on long journeys. When fully charged it always shows a range of 187 miles, but in sub-zero temperatures you can watch the range disappear at almost 2 for 1 proportions especially if you're driving on faster roads. Having said that the car serves my needs well and I'm happy with it. Not all EVs are the same, that's all I'm saying.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

👍

Cheers Jim, another good review from you here. Missed a few bits but, over all very good. I have a problem with the looks of this car, as I can't decide if I like it, or not. Other than looks I believe that MG have pretty much nailed it. Spec, handling, price, all on point. My Mrs. is about to order a Niro as her next company car, which comes in at a smidge over £43k, that's £11k more than the Trophy version of the MG. That's a lot of money for for what is in effect the same car ability wise. But when you take into account the BIK rate on EV's it works out only a couple of hundred quid more . In conclusion, if I was buying an EV with my own hard earned cash, There would be an MG on my drive. As a company car, I'll go get the best I'm allowed.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

I’m m exactly the same as you there mate 👍

My KIa E-Niro cruising on the motorway at 65 to 70mph with the heater on does about 3.5 miles/Kw. The WLTP is 281 miles in the summer and I regularly get 4.2 miles/Kw, so very similar to the MG4..

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

👍👍

Good review 👍. Disappointing that the heated seats are only available on the trophy spec they make a big difference to the winter range heating the person rather than the cabin is much more energy efficient.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree

Love your review style

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate that!

Nice review, many thanks. Had SE LR since 1st October. Range is a lot less than advertised (at the moment). I am getting 220-230 ATM. I am very keen to see what it gets in the summer.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Matthew 🤞

I have one of these (trophy model) and have done nearly 3000 miles in the month I have had it. It is cold weather so there is a drop off in range as you would expect but I do get well over 220/240 miles when it's warmer. So, I think when we get to spring/summer I will be getting the predicted range given.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

On the day this one went back I charged to to 100%, it showed 181 miles of range which for me is a step too far even in the cold. Lovely car otherwise, particularly in Trophy trim.

Right star button set for AC and you can use the right toggle to easily adjust the temperature and fan speed (or press the toggle to set to Auto). 😉 Agree re. access to drive mode/regen ... but even Normal mode works fine in frosty/icy conditions Re. range - check that battery heating isn't turned on. My SE SR (50.8kWh usable) can give as low as 130 miles range when temps are negative.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

I can confirm after doing a 360 in normal mode (Al it’s going into a ditch) in the ice that snow mode is far superior in extreme cold.

@sputnikboy22

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure you can map custom functions, such as driving modes, to the steering wheel.

Hi Jim it would be good if manufacturers included a miles/Kw figure in their specs ie equivalent of mpg in ICE cars. This would provide a useful comparison between models

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Great point Paddy 👍

Just ordered one via Leaseloco should be arriving late Feb, can’t wait.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Enjoy 👍👍👍👍👍

I would love to try this car out, for all the minor faults, it seems like a very good buy. The fact it is fun to drive is probably the biggest plus, it is the main reason for owning car in the first place. The decrease in range is bit of a problem in colder days but with my typical range of driving, this would not be an issue. Just need to find few thousand to get my first EV. I've seen people install a small usb lighting system for the back if needed.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

It is a great drive!

my ev has a normal range od 240-250km when it's around 17-24 degrees Celsius, but that quickly drops to some 150km when it's close to or lower than freezing temperatures. It could drop to as low as 100 km if there were a few consecutive days of -10C temps, luckily still didn't experience such low temps for a longer period

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks for sharing

I’ve got a Trophy and in current conditions, get around 200 miles from a full charge. If I preheat the battery for 20 minutes or so before I start out, the range is much better than this. So far I’m unable to give exact metrics. I’m naturally assuming a reasonable length of journey…..

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

👍

@NorbertNagy00

Жыл бұрын

Hi. Which battery size do you have?

@michaelketley1252

Жыл бұрын

@@NorbertNagy00 64Kwh total and 61Kwh nominal.

In the recent cold weather, I've lost at least 30 miles of range with the heating on. The higher the fan speed and heat, the more range is lost. Given that these temperatures are experienced pretty rarely throughout the year, I'm not overly concerned about this, it is expected. It just means that if doing a long journey a little more planning with charging stops might be needed, but given that most of my driving is within a 50-mile radius it isn't a problem for me.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

👍👍

thanks, I lose about 15% range in Winter in my Kia, but it obviously depends on your driving style and distance traveled. My biggest worry about the MG is long term reliability, obviously unknown at the moment, and are there enough dealers to fix them. I like paddles to control regen, and yes a froot(I am British), is useful for cables, wheel lock nuts, and a few other bits.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

👍 I’m as British as cold tea and warm beer but I’m sticking with the frunk

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

Try looking up the James & Kate KZread channel John. You'll find James - who works as a mobile EV servicing and repair mechanic - using an MG5 as his service vehicle, complete with shelves in the rear. His example had (at the time he posted the video) 40k miles on it in just about a year or so. James went through the car in the video, pointing out the good bits, and any not so good bits (there weren't many). Nothing had failed, and the battery was showing 90 odd percent state of health. It's worth a look...... Oh, and James had placed a large storage box under the bonnet as a froot. It appeared to function rather well.

Great review. It's true EV vehicles don't like the cold !.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

This one certainly seems to have fallen out with it…

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

But that doesn't matter too much if you're doing the daily commute through the week, and you charge at home...... ICE cars aren't as good on fuel in the cold either, and they waste 70% of their energy as heat. Oddly, nobody seems to worry too much about that...

Top of the range model now has a heat pump. I reckon they will have to extend that feature to all models in cold climate markets to benefit range issues.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Great!

Top Job again mate 👍🚗👌

@K.Pilkington

Жыл бұрын

How do you know? It's 15 mins long and was only released 3 mins ago.

@msjcars2317

Жыл бұрын

@@K.Pilkington for me to know

@robertlloyd7493

Жыл бұрын

These reviews.....the adverts....you are onto a winner here 👍

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark👍

@K.Pilkington

Жыл бұрын

@@msjcars2317 I'm guessing Jim sent you the video before official release. My apologies.

You need to consider battery chemistry and resultant properties, in SR it s LiFeP and in LR its NiCM both of which have very different charging cycles, safety and efficiency in cold conditions. Interesting as to why MG chose to use LiFeP in the SR and NiCM in the LR, perhaps power output curve but I am not a battery technician.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Yes I get the difference and it’s indeed a strange choice. Really, the only thing anyone SHOULD need to consider is the WLTP figure. It shouldn’t be dependent on the stars and moon aligning correctly.

I can’t argue with this review it’s absolutely spot on all the nibbles light in rear ,rooof handle etc I fully agree with all points.the battery range I also agree has been average at best in this cold weather but also my Kia is exactly the same with battery drain/range.summertime will be my full review time for battery .I owned mine 4 months a few issues but been resolved can only see this car going from strength to strength

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, same here, the plaftorm is superb and will be great for them to built on in future.

Winter battery range is appalling in my Peugeot e208. 180 miles in summer,drops to 110 miles (at best) in winter. I tend to only drive when it's dark,cold & wet,but still worse than I expected. I do like the MG4 long range tho,but no decent lease deals at the moment.

@Kevin-ur7zk

Жыл бұрын

I also have a e208 travel 12mis and lose 30 miles range in freezing conditions and thats with heating on low

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

I think the deals will come along soon

Battery range in my e-niro isn't great in winter 🥶 probably 20-30% lower than claimed range, but above 15°C I get more than the claimed range. 99% of our journeys are sub 60 miles a day so it's no bother to us

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

👍👍👍 thanks for sharing mate

Yes my Tesla M3 loses range in the cold, especially below 0deg. However, if you pre-heat the battery before your journey then this negates the effect.

@davidmurphy563

Жыл бұрын

You can do this on the MG4 too.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Does it lose that much?? The Model Y I took to Edinburgh didn't seem to have a problem but we were using Superchargers and the car was automatically pre-conditioning the battery before the charge. As I slow charged the MG4 on a home wall box overnight I assumed I wouldn't have an issue.

To change drive modes on the go you can set it to the favorite button on the left of the steering wheel. (Star button). That way you can cycle drive modes while driving!

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Yep - it then prevents you from using that for something else (like switching audio sources). Just give us a dedicated button please MG.

Efficiency of everything seems to drop in these colder temperatures. Including ICE vehicles as engine takes longer to warm up. But even when warm on long trips my petrol turbo seems to be doing at least 5 mpg below what it does above 10 degrees.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

👍👍

Hi Jim it’s a much better looking car in the flesh. Saw one in Aldeburgh the other day, very sharp. Do you know if you can get a Towbar for a bike carrier for it?

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

I don’t but it’s only got a 500kg towing capacity just fyi 👍

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

E mail MG and ask or suggest. If they get numerous enquiries, they may rectify the situation..... Or one of the companies who produce such things may do, once the car becomes even more popular.....

Hi pal, just to let you know, there is shortcuts in the meni to give you drive modes on the steering wheel and the temp and fan speed shortcuts on the steering wheel as well

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

11 ай бұрын

Yes, I know mate. It'd just be WAY easier if they gave us a couple of dedicated buttons.

For the drive mode you can map custom functions to the steering wheel which I think is pretty cool. Regarding range, I noticed the same thing when I test drove one. I put that down to previous test drivers driving aggressively but clearly not. Suprised other reviewers haven't mentioned it so good shout!

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

@crow3003

Жыл бұрын

Last time I was testing MG4 I drove it for atleast 7 hours, after a while my estimated range increased a lot (drove it like I drive my old Toyota Auris 2,0 turbo diesel with a bad clutch). I had plenty range (12C outside if I remember correctly) so in the night I decided to see how fast I could kill the range from 180km towards zero before giving the car back (this was after midnight and I put the car on charger myself at the dealership so I could do what ever). Lets just say zero to ... to zero 3 times, and some very agressive driving on backroads cut the range very fast down to 50km and charging warning. It's clearly very much up to the driver what range one's getting on these EVs. Fotnote: I have "heard" the MG4 does 160kmt real gps speed (170 kmt indicated), and the brakes seems good.

I can see in a few years time you’ll be able to claim for false range claims the companies made, the figures the companies give are just fairytale stories. I’ve just ordered a Trophy MG4, will be delivered in September. Can’t wait 🥰

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Maybe - enjoy the Trophy, it's a great car.

The range Zoe I have the moment dropped from a max of 210 mile range to 110 miles, when it got really cold.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Wow! does exactly help the cost per mile does it? At least those temps are for a relatively short period of the year here.

@KevNpton

Жыл бұрын

@@DefinitelyNotAGuru I have the Zoe on monthly conscription from ONTO so charging is free. I’m getting a MG4 LG Trophy next week.

There is a button for drive modes. You can program it as a shortcut on the steering wheel

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

3 ай бұрын

Yep

Can’t you map the star button on the wheel to drive mode ?

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

From several other comments here that’s a maybe. In many other cars there’s just a drive mode button, no mapping required…and a volume knob. Still, a very nice thing to drive despite a few flaws - also well worth looking at owners forums for these if you were considering taking the plunge 👍

I agree it's annoying that the range indications differ so much from reality. But actually it's the same in gasoline cars. For example: today I drove my BMW X1 (from 2020, so modern technology) for about 15km. I started with a range estimation of 165km and ended up at 130km when I stopped for gas. So it also went down more than double the actual distance I drove. It goes both ways: if I suddenly start doing a lot of motorway kilometers, the estimation is too low. This is why many reviewers say the best way to drive EV's is by having it show battery percentage instead of miles remaining.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

So at 100% today it showed 181 miles, at 100% on Thursday it showed 267....

Would have thought the heater would have eaten up your range as UK cars are resistive heaters not heat pump, another reason to go for the top battery spec car.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

40% of the range is a bit extreme however

Well EV database say the real world mileage is 225 miles. Based on your figures (131/62*100) you should have got 211 so not a massive amount away considering you are trying to heat a metal and glass box (not much insulation) at very cold temperatures.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

👌

I have a Trophy on pre order although I think I would prefer the standard long edition on the outside. The outside of the Trophy looks like someone spreading their bumcheeks a bit. That said, I like the better specs on it.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

😂😂 I’d go for the Trophy just for the better battery tech

The GoM lied when you got it so the drop in the range sounds worst than it, rather than dropping from 267 to 131 after 67 miles it really dropped from around 210 to 131. I would say if you don't try hard for efficiency at the low temps we had then 210-220 is about right. In September when I got mine then 240-250 was about right for 'normal' driving. That means you're losing about 10-15% for the low temps. The numbers above are what I've been seeing in mine and I'm making no effort for efficiency. I use normal driving mode and have the AC set to 23 degrees.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

GoM?

@definitelynotkwacker

Жыл бұрын

@@DefinitelyNotAGuru "Guess 'O Meter". Same thing as a "remaining miles" on a petrol cars display. Both are just guesses based on your driving history so should only be regarded as a guess. Chances are when you picked up the car the trip had been reset or someone had been trying hard to get the best range out of the car and hence the high value. There's no way in negative temps you'd get that. When it was -10 here 200 miles was roughly what I was getting but at just under zero that was around 210-220. Lots of short journeys in the cold will hammer range as well since the heater needs to be on full blast to get the cabin warm, longer journeys the impact of the heater is less since the heater will cycle once temperature is reached.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

@@definitelynotkwacker 😂 fair enough 👍👍

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@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Ian

I can't remember ever actually grabbing a grab handle. You may need them if you go off but in a small hatchback ?

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

No problem for you then 👍

@nigelparry4911

Жыл бұрын

also it does not matter to me about lighting in rear, because no one sits in the back of my car

About the range. The reason I didn't buy the long range is because it's a NMC chemistry. That's worse in every way from the LFP chemistry on the standard range aside from battery density and charging speed. Neither battery is particularly good in the cold (less than 15C) but the NMC is worse. The deciding factor to me was the cycles, you get up to five times as much on LFP and 100% usage, rather than 80%. Meaning that in everyday use the batteries are effectively the same size - although the LR can give you that much more on occasion. _However,_ you can preheat the battery (a function designed to ready it for fast charging) - if you do this a little on a cold day then you can expend a little energy raising the battery temp and you get that back and some with the miles/kWh. This really should be automated but you can do it manually very easily.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Thanks David, I need to read up more on battery technology but the point you make is a great one.

@davidmurphy563

Жыл бұрын

@@DefinitelyNotAGuru It's worth googling LFP vs MNC, there are some great sites explaining the science from safety to environmental impact in lay terms. For me it was the major decision because in five years time the SE and LR might have similar ranges even within warranty. Couple of other things you missed: there's a bug with the cabin pre-heater, if it's plugged in but has finished charging (because you set it to off-peak) then it won't preheat until you unplug the charger. I think they're working on this. The onboard charger is only 10A, so even if you've got 3 phase then you can only get 2.4kW. This is very low. If you're charging 10 hours overnight off-peak with the 3-pin you'll not even half charge the thing. Sure, you can get the 7kW wall box but that's a big expense. There's no heat pump on the UK version but there is on the Swedish. Obviously the Chinese think it's tropical here. Oh, and it's probably worth mentioning that SAIC is 100% owned by the Chinese Communist Party. We can take a dim view of WV's ethics but it doesn't extend to genocide. Well, not recently anyway... On the plus side it does have vehicle to load but they don't include the adaptor. That was a really top review btw. Hats off to you.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much David, really appreciate the input.

@Brian-om2hh

Жыл бұрын

David. The battery issues may be no more than a year or two from being sorted now, with BMW stating they are beginning production of solid state batteries.... I had heard a year or so back that both Ford and BMW were trialling solid state battery technology, so it seems all has gone well? It should be a winner for everyone, resulting in physically smaller and lighter battery packs, but with higher energy density, which will result in higher range and faster charging capability.....

@davidmurphy563

Жыл бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh Yeah, it looks really promising. Of course, the devil is in the detail - and the price - so we'll see what they can actually bring to market. LFP has a density of about 250Wh/kg. So a 50kWh battery is around 200kg. Solid Power are promising almost 400Wh/kg so the same battery would be 125kg. A very significant improvement. Of course, it's really about the price, not the weight and they're suggesting it'll be nearer price parity - which I assume is on a power basis and not per density. They only promise 1000 cycles though. LFP gives around 5000 so it's not as long lasting, at least in the first iteration. But, you'd have to hope the early tech will improve. It will use an NMC cathode so you'll get oxygen as a bi-product (inherently dangerous) and cobalt is an environmental nightmare. That said, plenty of cars use it. Anyway, the battery industry is infamous for misleading promises which fail to deliver. Let's see what they can actually bring to market.

If the ‘intelligent battery heater’ is switched on, that kills range too. It uses 7kWh to run!

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

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@CastleKnight7

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, definitely switch that off, unless you’re going to a rapid charger or an especially long journey in cold weather.

The range in my peogoet e206 is halfed in these cold conditions. That and half of fast chargers not working im going back to a IC car.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

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The battery probably drops more due to heating because it has a resistive heater instead of a heat pump. Oh well that’s one of the reasons that they manage to hit such a low price. Also, the standard range comes with an LFP battery pack, while the Long range have NCM batteries so the SR batteries should last longer

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

He’s, still pretty awful performance considering

Shame about the recent £1000 price increase! Had seen it advertised as cheap as £24,995 on Auto trader. I got a Mokka e, winter range is bad probably manage 120 to 130 on mixed driving with heating off or very low

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

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@leem5894

Жыл бұрын

Tempted to change it for a Tesla M3, maybe a used Performance one! Used prices are very tempting at the moment, seen them as cheap as £31k! All the car anyone will ever need!

Just get a Trophy! No prob!

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

10 ай бұрын

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I have the ZS and also no rear light. I have 2 young kids in car seats.....It's infuriating! It's actually My biggest gripe

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

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ive ordered the mg4 trophy long range in camden grey, was going to get volcano orange but upon reflection id be getting TANGOED everywhere i go and would look like a posh just eat delivery guy

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

😁I quite like the orange but the grey is a good choice

@kayak1969p

Жыл бұрын

@DefinitelyNotAGuru yeah orange was actually my first choice but wife wasn't giving any of it lol

This is why I wouldn't trust any of these EVs. How can a manufacturer promise 280 miles and then in the winter conditions (which is most of the time in the UK) the car will not do anywhere near that. Complete rip off these EVs. If I had to do a 175 miles motorway trip using the long range model in winter I'd still have range anxiety with these cars. Good review by the way

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

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Could the range issue be due to not having a heat pump on this particular model.?

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

17 күн бұрын

It certainly wouldn't be helping matters

Question is new MG4 or 2-3 year old E-Nero.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t driven an old e-Niro 😣

Hey Jim, have you got some non EV reviews coming as well?

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Hi Tim. Yep, always a mix on here depending on what I can get my hands on. 3 Subarus coming up next (non EV) followed by 3 Genesis EV's.

@timcollins380

Жыл бұрын

@@DefinitelyNotAGuru Lovely. I quite like the look of the new WRX, shame its only auto though.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

@@timcollins380 That's one I haven't got coming, XV, Forrester, and Outback from memory. Then the Soltera (EV) later in the year.

The short range SE uses LiFePO4 cells, and not Lithium Ion. The LiFePO4 cells do not work so well in the cold, so they do not efficiently charge or discharge at low temperatures. In a way, using them helped get the cost down for that entry car. Frankly, despite the price difference, the Trophy is by far the better choice.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@inveritas3332

Жыл бұрын

The model tested in reveiwe is the 64 kW SE LR , same battery as Trophy which is NCM battery not the same as LFP of the base model , Therefore all the range issues raised apply

Is there more thought/discussion needed by buyers re the country of origin of the manufacturer? So many new EV brands coming out of China every day but should we be more focused on if we should buy from these countries manufacturers? Is there a moral hazard that needs consideration? Discuss!

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

I just drive the cars and give my opinion on them. I’ll try to leave the politics to others more expert in it than I. But….. It also raises the argument about hypocrisy of people not buying an MG car because it’s Chinese but using their iPhone, laptop, tv, toaster, microwave, pen, tyre, drill, usb cable, gaming console, smart speaker, cctv camera, led light, battery, calculator etc and then ordering egg fried rice and chicken balls for dinner. I’m not a fan of their government politics to say the least but I couldn’t function without Chinese made products in my line of work; it’s sad but true 👍

@worldofcars_ldn

Жыл бұрын

@@DefinitelyNotAGuru fair enough but maybe there’s a difference between other world located businesses making their items there and those that are actually Chinese companies?! Either way keep up the good work Jim!

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

@@worldofcars_ldn That's a line so fine that I can't really see it to be honest. Appreciate your thoughts though James and thanks for watching and commenting.

like your style of presentation, However I killer question for you - Did you do any research on cold weather ranges on EV batteries before driving ? Your presentation strongly suggests not. - :(

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

I know very well how it works but didn’t expect such a ridiculous drop in efficiency. I drive different EVs all the time and have never seen such HUGE range drops in anything else. I'd personally struggle to own a car with this issue, especially as so many others are far less affected.

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@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

thank you

I have an MG5 trophy with just 1000 miles driven so far. The range is really concerning. It’s been cold yes. MG claim 250 WLTP. @100% charge. The displayed range is 200 miles. I drive 6 miles and that drops to 160 miles range. WtF!!!

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

That’s shocking, I’d take that up with MG immediately and perhaps demand a refund if they can’t resolve it.

👍👍👍.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Pete

I would buy it, if i could afford it

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

👍

You can set the star button on the left of the steering wheel to be a shortcut to toggle through the driving modes 😉 When you know, you know 👍🏻

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip! 😂

@mattsutton1045

Жыл бұрын

This only works on the trophy as far as I know

@DrMatthewhannah

Жыл бұрын

Not for the long range SE, only on the Trophy

No light in the back of the car is a stupid omission. As a family car,make I family friendly, try sorting out a child in the back seat at 18:00 tonight on or car with the tear interior light turned off.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

The missing light certainly seems like a rather odd oversight in a family car

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@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

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EVs mileage claims are just like the diesel scam...yes there claims are well over actual range or as range anxiety as its known.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

I’ve had lots of EVs with pretty honest range claims but was rather disappointed by this one.

Got to admit it's a very tempting deal thanks for your efforts Jim

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jock

For the money yes. This will open the door in a way Elon never will with high end cars. Only China can really build the worlds EV fleet in time to control global warming. YMMV. Remember this is a U.K. designed car. It’s what we are both good at combined. And it’s affordable. Most people can’t afford a Tesla.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

👍👍

Still way overpriced. It's like $45000 CAD for a small car. A model Y is only $60K. This car should be in the $20K range if not less. And model Y should be in the 30K range. It can lose all the touch screens and tech for all I care. Got my Prius C for $24K on the road and I overpaid. People are too rich these days.

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

ok

18th

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

👍

“infotainment is brilliant” “…it doesn’t have navigation built in” 🤯

@DefinitelyNotAGuru

Жыл бұрын

What’s your point? The system works really well, infotainment is more than Nav (which you get from your phone in this car). 🤯🤯