RTX 4050, 4060 and 4070 mobile GPUs seem to have a 1v limit which gets hit in many games before the power limit, around 90-100w seems common. If you use something like furmark then you can probably hit 140W, but you won't see it in many other stress tests or games. Seems to be how it is with these Nvidia options this gen.

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking the time to respond. Really appreciate the insight. If these GPUs can hit 140W in a specific benchmark, I'd think it's either firmware or a software limit. But perhaps that's brought about by physical silicon limits for safe operating voltage and current. In either case 90-100W seems to be the story for the RTX 4050, 4060 and 4070. This should make for some very interesting and powerful thin-and-lights this year. Exciting times to look forward to there. P.S. Love your channel, been watching your reviews for years. Big fan and your videos have been a source of inspiration for sure.

@JarrodsTech

Жыл бұрын

@@techknowlux Thanks!

@lawrenceyeung3381

Жыл бұрын

Love both of your channels❤ Please keep up the good work.

@dcandelarioch8343

Жыл бұрын

I have got the rog strix with g16 13650hx and 4060. I made undervolt (bios -80) to CPU and now, the GPU TDP si 5-10W more. Curiosly, the CPU get better results. For example, re4 remake went of 95-105w to 100-120w (135w in game menu). I am te top1 in Time Spy with this changes and a bit of GPU overclock. Greentings to booth, your channels are very good.

@evillogic6805

Жыл бұрын

@@dcandelarioch8343 hey buddy can you drop your instagram or whatsapp or anything I can contact you with about same problem thanks I'd appreciate it

so which option is better for like good performance and not high temps for long sesions? performance and standard maybe ultimate ?

The Acer Predator Helios 16 models don’t limit or restrict the wattage as We’ve got the Rtx 4070 version, and I’ve throughly tested with game’s, and benchmarks and it definitely utilizes upwards of the full 140 watts albeit about 139 watts is the max I’ve seen while gaming. Everybody saying there’s a hard 100 watt limit is wrong and instead it’s certain manufacturers artificially limiting the Rtx 4060 / 4070 cards to 100 watts meanwhile like I said the Acer Predator Helios allows for the full maximum 140 watts ! Our Rtx 4070 doesn’t ever hit the voltage limit or any other limits even when pulling 135 to 139 watts and it doesn’t matter whether it’s intensive games or intensive benchmarks. I can get around 13,750 graphics score on Our Rtx 4070 with a +240 core & +700 memory in 3d time spy and even with that high Overclock it’s still not hitting any limits. Nvidia isn’t limiting the wattage on the Rtx 4,000 laptop Gpu’s, and instead it’s some manufacturers who are hard limiting the cards for their specific laptops but thankfully Acer doesn’t doesn’t do that for the Premium Acer Predator Helios 16 !

@techknowlux

5 ай бұрын

That's very well tuned. I'm glad you're getting all of this running and only at 70C under load. The RTX 4070 can hit 140W in benchmarks. I've shown that in other videos. This is how they decided to call it a 140W TGP. But in gaming it site more around 100-105W with some games betting around 110-115W for brief periods. Sounds like you really won the silicon lottery. My Predator Helios 16 was just a hot mess.

Thank you so much for this video! You are not the only one with this issue. I just purchased an Asus TUF F17 i7-13700H & RTX 4060 (140W). I am not seeing anything close to 140 W. I’m seeing anywhere between 75 W and 95 W… just like you are.

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

This seems to be an issue with 4050, 4060 and 4070 laptop GPUs this year. They look like they have been designed for thin and lights. I’m seeing many reviews appearing featuring these GPUs in 100W configurations. So that was probably their target. What I do not understand now is why some manufacturers, like ASUS and Razer are advertising these as max TGP 140W when they will *never* hit that.

@ibm5155

Жыл бұрын

​@@techknowlux The maximum theoretical tgp haha just like years ago laptop manufacturers would advertise their laptops with the CPU clock being the maximum turbo clock and the laptop couldnt stay for more than a second without overheating

Bro, I am having Asus Rog Strix G16 of i9-13980HX with 4080 RTX, While Playing games CPU went to 95C and GPU to 87C during performance and turbo mode but after Disabling the Turbo Boost, Now CPU temperature dropped to 15C now I am getting like 75-80C but I am still getting GPU to be 85-87C with 100% GPU usage and ROG boost OC, but when i change the mode to Silent GPU drops to 65-72C. Please help me with, I should get GPU around 65-80C during performance mode but HOW ?

with how much wattage is the gpu working in silent mode?

Yea there are a couple articles and videos addressing this.. no 4050 60 70 in market right now seems to be going past 105 watts... It could be tech ical issues .. but i have a bad feeling about nvidia doing it deliberately. It's not past them to do something like this.

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

It’s a great way to segment the market and a good strategy on NVIDIA’s part. Now people who assumed 4070 would be a great buy will be sorely disappointed. The gap between it and the 4080 laptop GPU is pretty big. This way NVIDIA can push buyers and upgraders to go up the segment thus more expensive and “premium” laptops and more margins and profits all around for everyone in the supply chain.

@Hellobro1000

2 ай бұрын

Hello if i only use the manual mode for fan speed changing does it effect somthing?​@@techknowlux

@Hellobro1000

2 ай бұрын

​@@techknowluxhello if i only use the manual mode to change fan speeds does it effectsomthing

Sorry off topic here, but whats the sys tab in manual mode? Mine doesnt have that. I have the 12900h Strix Scar 15in

@techknowlux

10 ай бұрын

Sys tab is additional stuff that can be tweaked. If it's no longer on your machine perhaps they've cleaned up Armoury Crate. The original version when I reviewed was quite messy and unintuitive. When I get another ASUS device in, I'll update on the status of Armoury Crate.

Rog strix G18 with RTX 4070 in armory crate MANUAL mode overclocked getting 115-125w playing Battlefield 2042 in 1600p all max out settings + DLSS Balanced. Not huge FPS boost, only few, so performance mode seems better choise for me. Why everybody are so dissapointed with this GPU. Dead space remake 1600p max settings about 95-115fPS, battlefield 2042 -1600p Max out 100FPS :) Even at external 4k monitor i am getting solid 60 FPS in high and sometimes ULTRA. This machine is not far behind my desktop PC 5950x + RTX3070TI (290W TDP)

Interesting, I was planning to buy this. But I'm getting this particular laptop variant: G18 G814JI-N5113WS Volt Green. Will this have the same effect? Thanks!

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

If it has an RTX 4050, 4060 or a 4070, you can expect about 90-100W of GPU power and performance.

@paradoxine6287

Жыл бұрын

​@@techknowluxit has the 4070. I saw from the main page of the product that it is up to 170 watts? So basically, most games would have wattages up to 100 instead of 170 right? Should I go for the 4080? Thanks.

This is the same thing happening to my Asus Tuf f15 2023, i7-12700H and RTX 4060 Laptop. It commonly stays around 80w and basically never goes above 100w. The at most I saw was 97w with furmark and basically a glimpse of 105w with warzone and then it went back to 85-90w. This is such a sad situation.

@techknowlux

11 ай бұрын

This is the reality due to different segmentation strategy by NVIDIA for the RTX 4000 series. 4050, 4060 an 4070 are 100W cards maximum. Or lower, depending on which laptop model.

@Waveaone

11 ай бұрын

​@@techknowluxHey, I got it fixed today. I went to the service centre yesterday to complain and they said they'll have to reinstall the GPU files or something like that and said they'll call me in a day. Now when I set the laptop to turbo mode in armoury crate and run Furmark, it reaches to 140w but it's not consistent, it hovers around 110w-140w.

@Waveaone

11 ай бұрын

@@techknowlux also, I asked them what they did, they said clean windows installation and installing all the drivers and GPU Files.

U have to increase the MHz limits 50 to 50 launching a benchmark between each ans when it crashes u got to thé previous settings

Ive got the asus tuf a17 with ryzen 9 7940hs and the full 140watt rtx 4070 and ive seen it hit 139watts on a few games and temps hold around 76c on the gpu i get core clock max at 2705MHz and memory clocks of 8301MHz

@techknowlux

Ай бұрын

@Randomgameruk Yeah this review video was at the very initial launch stages of the RTX 4070. The number have been fixed now at least and the RTX 4070 equipped laptops I've tested so far in 2024 all show much higher wattage close to the rated max TGP of 140W.

Why is 140 Watt needed!? I think it's just max Watt GPU has capability to consume. Out main concern ought to be Clock speed... And I think Gpu definitely hits the required clock speed (that 140 watt we are expecting) at 80W - 105W

Did you try Vbios for 4070? I figured out that it can help to remove limitations and go ahead to 140W

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

I have not? How do I do this? Are you able to share info/a link?

@UporotuyVlad

Жыл бұрын

@@techknowlux For now i don't know if Vbios for 4070 ready or not. I just bumped into the info that it can help increase waltage on 30 gen graphic cards. Maybe in the future same thing is going to happen with 4070

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

@@UporotuyVlad Of course it is possible and at some point in the future it might be available. But the real question is why is a $3000 laptop not delivering the performance that promised by NVIDIA and ASUS.

@kristhianpinazo8221

Жыл бұрын

@@techknowlux I could bet that the 3d game spy is around 12000. But maybe this GPU machine has a great battery life in comparison to the 3 hours of 4080s

@prodigy455

Жыл бұрын

@@kristhianpinazo8221 my 4070 on timespy is around 13,646 and firestrike is 28865 which is currently the highest score for the gpu

i have the same problem, my asus tuf dash F15 "3060 105W TGP" stays around 70w, 99%Load GPU with ultimate mode at Armoury crate

@techknowlux

11 ай бұрын

Wait a 3060 or a 4060?

Maximum i get from my legion is 115-117 that too in very few games.. even overclocking wont make the gpu zip more

@techknowlux

Ай бұрын

@toxiclamb When did you get this laptop? There has been some improvements and tweaks to the RTX 4070 over the last year. This seems that the RTX 4070 is indeed going up to about 115W and some games going higher when Dynamic Boost can be engaged and the game is highly GPU dependent.

Do you by chance have any update on this? Is the 4070 just a waste of a GPU?

@techknowlux

7 ай бұрын

It appears as some of the games are reaching a bit higher. For example Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty showed signs of hitting 110 or even 115W on this GPU. But I saw similar "blips" in Assassin's Creed Mirage hitting similar figures in gaming. I have not seen during gaming the full power on the RTX 4070. The story is pretty much the same. The voltage limits are very much in place. And some games have some stutter. If you are buying for gaming first and want smooth gameplay, your minimum choice this year is an RTX 4080 imho. If you're on a budget, then save some money and get an RTX 4060.

@janeS4489

7 ай бұрын

@@techknowlux thank you for the info. That's so sad. Sadly I'm limited right now to a 4070. But I'm getting it for the price of a 4060.. so I won't complain, just hoped it had better performance.

My Asus rog stix g16 i9-13980hx rtx 4070 goes up to 115W, but yesterday for the first time I saw in the game lies of p in the first rooms when play new game going up to 123W and staying generally 116-123W, is it still the same for you?

@techknowlux

2 ай бұрын

@angeloschaloulis1394 I recently tested the 4070 on the m16 r1 and the MSI Raider 16 and yes I saw that the 4070 is going close to 115-125W in certain titles. I don't know for this particular laptop since I no longer have it for testing.

@angeloschaloulis1394

2 ай бұрын

ah i see, so basically in some models they go up to 115W, but i've yet to hear about the dynamic boost from someone@@techknowlux

I have a lenovo legion 5 pro and I tested the power usage of the 4070 when playing alan wake 2 at max settings and it shows between 120 to 128w spiking to 130 from time to time.

@techknowlux

5 ай бұрын

That's impressive. Maybe the new drivers/updates are allowing some games to take advantage of higher power levels. Early on in the year at the time of this review, that was simply not the case. Have you tried any other games and checked power levels?

@aymenmrb4436

3 ай бұрын

@owlux bro im really confused . my max TDP was 115w on red dead 2 only . but when i played f1 2018 last week i touched 130w and 120's all game and i have screeshots . but when play rainbow six siege or battlefiled V and othhers the max TDP back to 90 - 103 w again damn

Your Fps in Cyberpunk is weird, I have ROG STRIX G16 i7 13650HX with RTX 4070 and i run at least 65fps and sometimes it spikes to 120fps with lower crowd in game, and i run on performance mode and my temps are between 58C - 64C.

GPU Clockspeed seems to max out at 2370Mhz in games. Try overclocking it even higher in Afterburner

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

My 4070 in this laptop did not overclock very much. I was only able to get +80Mhz in the boost clock and about +180Mhz on the memory clocks.

@Guilefpv

Жыл бұрын

@@techknowlux How about trying to lock the voltage/clock speed higher in Afterburner. Give it more voltage and see if can draw the same current.

@prodigy455

Жыл бұрын

@@techknowlux I found on my sager laptop with the 4070 that +250core and +825 memory was the sweet spot landing the highest score for firestrike

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

@@prodigy455 wow what an overclock. Mine doesn’t go anywhere near that high. I guess you win some and lose some with the silicon lottery. I did get lucky with zero coil whine and no significant backlight bleed.

@prodigy455

Жыл бұрын

@@techknowlux it took some time to tweak to figure out that my core clock values were worth more than the memory. I’m using msi afterburner to do it instead of clevo control center.

On my aorus 15p with a 3070 ive never saw 130w always 110, 90, 100, until I disabled cpu turbo mode on throttlestop, i saw it gping to 130, 135w, but at 1080p culdnt saw any benefits at that resloution

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

That’s interesting. It is not an exact science because they use words like max tgp, otherwise they would just say tgp or sustained tgp to be explicit. But playing games with words is the best way to sell product.

How you manager to get 150 procesos on the procesos(task manager)?

@techknowlux

2 ай бұрын

@catalinglont2858 Disable all the background services, and any startup items and also exit all programs. This was after a clean reboot. Also, search for a few different ways to reduce running process in Windows 11 and make it lean. These method to this may change as new versions and updates get released to Windows 11 so I can't give a conclusive answer here. Good luck !

140W is a SECURITY, it means that the ventilate system can cool down the gpu when being ABOVE peak performance (it is designed to go at most at 115-120, they keep a marge to be sure it doesnt over-heat) , it is normal that in-game, the gpu is not at 140w.

@techknowlux

11 ай бұрын

Wow what a rip. That's not obvious to anyone. That should be marketed differently then.

Does using G-helper change anything for you?

@techknowlux

6 ай бұрын

No not at all. Its a lighter app to do the same thing that Armoury Crate does.

I've hit 111W @ +175Mhz & +225Mhz, 15W boost, Asus G18... AFAIK I could push clocks even more, also some settings in NVIDIA control panel & games ex: V-Sync / FPS settings / Threaded opt. will influence power draw a lot ( Metro 2033 threaded opt. ON/AUTO 80W, OFF 111W )

@techknowlux

8 ай бұрын

Was this sustained 111W. And what was the overall impact to FPS (how much did the framerate improve/increase)? Any other games you tested with this level of GPU power and framerates?

@HoRNET_FPV

8 ай бұрын

@@techknowlux sustained between 109W & 111W , Im able to push 108W on bioshock. FPS definetly improves but I havent really check the numbers and idk if its stable. I Just wanted to see if i could pull more power for now and it seems yes * btw my max reliable.voltage is 0.925V, maybe thats why i can push the clock easily

@HoRNET_FPV

8 ай бұрын

@@techknowlux DUUUUDE LOOOL 123 WATTS!!! only KZread 1080P to 1440P & SUPER RESOLUTION HAHAHA

@HoRNET_FPV

8 ай бұрын

@@techknowlux Major FPS gain Ex: Quake Champions @ ultra 1440p 150% : 75fps to 100fps give or take

@HaloinfiniteEternal

5 ай бұрын

Acer Predator Helios 16 Rtx 4070 default Predator sense turbo mode boosts around 2535 to 2550 and holds those speeds consistently during all games and benchmarks and my wattage during some games and 3dmark time spy is around 125 watts maximum and then if I use msi afterburner to manually apply a +220 overlock it boost to 2670 with 2655 consistent and holds it consistently with max wattage around 127 to 130 watts with 125 to 127 being common and so far I haven’t pushed it past +220 on the core and I haven’t messed with the memory overclock or voltages at all and during benchmarks with the +220 my Gpu temps average is around 70 degrees and I’m getting 100% Gpu usage during testing and this is with the i7-13700hx CPU…..

Hello if i use manual mode for fan change only does it effect somthing?

@Hellobro1000

2 ай бұрын

I just want the fan speed change

@techknowlux

2 ай бұрын

Yes it will make your laptop run quieter. If you don't mess with CPU or GPU settings it should not affect them.

@Hellobro1000

2 ай бұрын

@@techknowlux but the Dynamix boost for gpu should i put it to 5 or should it stay 25 waatts

@Hellobro1000

2 ай бұрын

@@techknowlux why it goes up to 93C on cpu when i turn on turbo mode?

@techknowlux

2 ай бұрын

@Hellobro1000 Put the GPU dynamic boost to 25 Watts. You want maximum GPU power for gaming. As for 93C that's because the heat is shared with some heat pipes. So you will get some heat transfer between the CPU and the GPU. 93C is totally fine though.

My ASUS 12700H with RTX 4070 goes up to about 115 when playing cyberpunk highest peak ive seen is 133 but it flashes then goes back to 115

@techknowlux

11 ай бұрын

Yes, the actual power due to voltage limits on the 4050, 4060 and 4070 are 100W more or less.

What about 4080 or 4090? Are they having same issue?

@yutawirasena

Жыл бұрын

This issue seems to only happened with 4050-4070 series

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

Yes this issue is only on the 4060 & 4070 as I have seen in my testing. I have also read online that this is also the case for the 4050.

Noce video. Want to get same model but i am afraid it will not run latest gamesvat max setting smoothly on narive qhd+ resolution 😢

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

Yes you can. Just play with the settings a little bit and especially any game that has DLSS3 and Frame Generation support, you should be get very close to 60fps if not above it. For those games that can't hit the mark, lock the frame rate to 60fps and use Adaptive Quality settings. Without knowing what type of games you play it's much harder to provide a more specific answer. Hope this gives you some ideas though.

@primebear3960

Жыл бұрын

@@techknowlux spider man miles morales,hogwarts legacy,unchardet,cyberpunk 2077 etc..

is this fixed?? this must be serious issue and i can not believe that after turn on DLSS3 you only got 40FPS!? insane.

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

No my friend, it is not fixed. This is the reality of the 4070 laptops this year. Basically they are limited to 100W. Even if they do or can push beyond that it does not show it terms of more performance.

@peacepusan

Жыл бұрын

@@techknowlux I've asked to review this issue to youtuber who is working at asus service center. He has same model with yours but 4060 model. I will update you if there is any update regarding this. Try to contact asus friend.

@mikeraptorh6888

Жыл бұрын

Do you think this will be fixed by nvidia or everyone else?

I saw someone in the reviews that were saying they actually managed to get the 140w using turbo mode then doing stress tests

@Mu-zw5bm

Жыл бұрын

Where?

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

This is only possible in Furmark which is a benchmark tool. During regular gameplay and daily use you will not see anywhere close to 140W. 90-100W is typical.

Maybe at the COP26 the heads of government decided like diesel cars with their dpf filters, add blue and emissions standards that GPU manufacturers now have to limit their gpu power draws in order to meet emissions standards and if the consumers would like to have peak performance machines they would have to pay a premium tax of 1000+3000 additional dollars for a 13 to 28 fps increase. 🤔

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

Well considering how they're ruining Europe with crazy energy bills and no gas to speak of, I would not be surprised.

Not every game is going to push your gpu the same, so try everything, and see where the line is, maybe you are right, that it doesn't hit 140w, but you should try to use different games and benchmarks in order to say that, playing one game and saying "it doesn't reach 140w" isn't a full story

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

Yes of course. I will slowly be adding more gameplay videos. It’s quick to test out but then editing and making them presentable before uploading to KZread is a different thing.

@nmfr5283

Жыл бұрын

@@techknowlux Yes i understand, but im simply giving you advice how to progress, how to give more accurate info.

I've heard some rumors that Nvidia intentionally limits all of those 40 series GPUs at 105W TGP, even if the GPU could go higher. Who knows why this happens tho.

@forgedwithsteel

Жыл бұрын

nerfing them so you buy one tier above what you need.

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

In the past it was clear cut what kind of performance you would get with an NVIDIA **70 series GPU. Now it’s more muddied. But then again seems this generation mabe the goal is to get the 4050, 4060 and 4070 into more premium and thin-and-light laptops. So it isn’t all bad if pricing isn’t insane. Wait for Black Friday this year. I expect steep discounts.

Hmm. Switch Nvidia optimus to GPU?

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

Tested this scenario as well. It does not make any difference. As others and @JarrodsTech have pointed out, there is a 1V limit which tops out the power on the RTX 4050, 4060 and 4070 at 90-100W. This is just the reality with these GPUs for 2023 and the RTX 4000 generation. RTX 4080 and 4090 however are a completely different class of GPUs for this year and hit the full 175W in the big and powerful gaming laptops. Choose wisely.

@HaloinfiniteEternal

5 ай бұрын

@@techknowluxAcer Predator Helios 16 Rtx 4070 default turbo mode hits upwards of 125 watts during gaming and 3dmark with 2535 to 2550 clock speed and then with a manual over clock of +220 Gpu core clock with MSI afterburner it’s clicking to 2655 during benchmark and games and the wattage is hitting upwards of 130 watts when showing 99% to 100% usage so these chips are definitely capable of the 140 watts which Nvidia advertises but I think it’s mainly the manufacturer which is setting their own limits on their laptops which is why some brands aren’t pushing anywhere near the 130 to 140 watts

I'm so shocked to see this as ROG is one high end device from Asus considering the price it sells for, I think Scar is first and TUF the last? idk Thanks to this in depth review, right now I have all I need but if I ever get crazy to buy 2023 laptop is gonna be MSI.

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

Glad to be of help. Keep in mind the issue with the 4050, 4060, and 4070 and the 100W only performance is on ALL laptops that have these GPUs. In fact, many laptops this year will feature these GPUs at much lower power levels in thin and light devices.

its not just on 4000 series GPUs . My 3080ti laptop from last year doesn’t get near 175tdp max 105 on my Asus Scar G15 .. Does anyone has a solution for this ?

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

That's interesting. I don't think I've heard this. Which laptop? Keep in mind that each manufacturer is able to do whatever kind of setups they want to do and thus the cooling solution, the fans, the chassis and the heat sinks, heat pipes all affect the overall performance. I don't believe there was any issues with voltage limits or hardware imposed limits like there are with the 4000 series so theoretically you *should* be able to hit 175W max.

Your Fan speeds are around 30%. Put it at 100%

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

I will re-test with 100% fan speed. Although why they would link the fan speed to GPU performance and not indicate this anywhere is beyond me.

I would recommend G-helper instead of armory crate bloatware. It has all great features and in RAM it takes only 28mb of space. By the way, I've tested SILENT mode and it locks GPU at 55watts of power and, in my case, drops CPU clocks to base level. This is how it achieves optimal temperatures with low fan noise level

@techknowlux

10 ай бұрын

That's pretty cool. I was not familiar with G-Helper. For those who're interstested, checkout the oepn source project github.com/seerge/g-helper.

U have play in 2k for this reason have lower fps.If in put it x1080p then have more fps.

@clutchmaster4425

Жыл бұрын

He is mentioning about the TGP that he has paid for which we have seen in the system specs or marketing stuff by NVIDIA which a RTX 4070m shud be able to pull out 140Watt not lower than 105Watt. It is not about the FPS bud 😉

@GangStiV0uli

Жыл бұрын

@@clutchmaster4425 y understand.all cards are the same W then in each model then only 4080 4090 real W until 175

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

Fair point. Of course it will run faster and higher fps at 1080p. But if I’m buying this machine with a QHD screen I want to play at that resolution. In 2023, QHD resolution should be the target for all gaming laptops. It is an excellent in-between resolution for sharp and beautiful graphics without burning battery life or wasting on extra pixels with 4K (that you probably will not notice on an 18” screen even).

Hi, I'll talk about this issue from both my own experiences and NVIDIA's utterances. First of all, I purchased ASUS in this spects 3 weeks ago. From that time on, I was suprised with TGP issue as you did. However, when I play games requiring high GPU voltage, what I realize is the fact that my asus actualy handle the performance issue in low watts like 90-100W pretty good. Even in silent mode, I never went through any fps issue in for instance MW2, Metro, BF 2042, WOT and others. Despite of non-dlss3 games exists among these games, I can see high fps values. According to me, yes, NVIDIA shared total tgp (140+35w) with its potential clients. However, GPU's actually minimizes energy consumption by using its AI, but never put an obstacle on gaming performance/fps, which I really like it. But, when it comes to the time of super workload on GPU, ASUS and NVIDIA should keep its promises on the matter of 175 tgp as they advertised. Otherwise, I can easily sue for misleading and get whatever I want for sure. The reason why we experience this is totally concerning AI of GPU and relevant software. As for NVIDIA's words, NVIDIA says "no matter how much voltage you want to feed your GPU, the fps values will not change or will change so little. Besides, in hard performances in the future, the laptop can ensure to keep its promises and give its owners advertised values." Actually, this doesn't make sense to me since we observed the contrary in the previous laptops. But, maybe they might be right since this is a softwarely enhanced new RTX's. These words of mine are of course totally theory, but I think so. Some of the videos relating to ASUS G16, some guys actually reached 115 TGP. Maybe it's about some changes on settings, but I don't know.

@techknowlux

10 ай бұрын

Even if it's AI, they need to be more upfront about the advertising. This is also unclear because people aren't used to the Max TGP figures. It's like going to the store, and finding the up to 70% off sticker. Technically legal but very annoying and a gimmick.

@mustafaay2817

10 ай бұрын

@@techknowlux I agree. Let me share an information with you. Following my text to you, I asked ASUS to correct this mistake. In responsed to my harsh words, they recommended me to customize 3D features. Just wanted to let you know.

ngreedia 4070 alias 4060 die with 128bit bus, 8GB ram... 4060 and 4050 are just derivates with similar chip.

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

Love it. Ngreedia. Thanks for the laugh but you’re right on. They’re playing with the silicon and naming conventions to get more money out of consumers by pushing them towards higher-end and thus very high margin products.

Idk why nvidia is deliberately kicking the 40 series GPUs with lower power limit. Let it hit at least 120W. Even a 3060 can do it. I guess all they are trying to push is the magic feeling of having a lot of FPS with frame generation but HOW MANY GAMES HAVE FRAME GEN.. It would be better to just buy 3070ti laptop and wait for AMD FSR 3.0 for games. Much better price to performance ratio.

@techknowlux

4 ай бұрын

@Akash-jo6oo They're doing this obviously to price the 4080 and 4090 laptops way higher and get higher margins for the OEMs and of course for NVIDIA themselves. But, FSR3 from what I've tested isn't all that great. It's good but can't touch DLSS3.5 or even DLSS3. There's still some pixel walking, artifacting and texture popin/out issues with FSR3. Frame Generation isn't suppored in that many games but most of the popular ones have DLSS3 support. Also considering these features are not coming to RTX 3000 series, it doesn't make sense to buy considering resale will not be there.

@Akash-jo6oo

4 ай бұрын

@@techknowlux Yaah that makes sense. Sad how these things always end up.

In benchmark Furmark you can get 140 watt.

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

That might be so but benchmarks are not games right. The real question is that if we do get 140w on benchmark why are we not seeing that performance on games… where it matters!

@apronzero7931

Жыл бұрын

@@techknowlux you right 👍

@Renzy115

Жыл бұрын

@@techknowlux It depends on what the gpu needs

Surely this is illegal for Nvidia to limit their gpus and advertise a certain performance/power draw. Youse Americans sue everyone for anything.. somebody please sue em.😢

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it is. They have legal teams that sit all day and plan on how to go around the rules. Maybe their final course in Law school before graduating is Screwing Consumers 101.

Asus and Armory crate both sucks. It also behaves like a malware. I have a rog flow x13 with an rtx 3050 and ryzen 6800hs. The silent mode isn't silent at all. It just slows down the computer by about 10% and that's it. It doesn't even reduce the power consumption by a meaningful margin. The problem with this laptop is the fan noise. It's stupidly high pitch noise so In order to get rid of it, I wanted to set a max processor usage limit from the power management menu in windows however because of Armory crate, it literally disables that feature, there's no max processor state setting in the power management menu in windows 10 at least. Even after removing the bloatware, the setting still doesn't come back. So I had to reinstall the windows from scratch in order to get that setting back in the menu. It may sound silly but setting a processor state limit will cut the processor performance by half but cut the power usage by a lot therefore limiting the cpu to never reach high temperatures to make the fan go crazy thus rendering the machine actually silent. And doing this while browsing web or doing light tasks won't affect the general feeling of the machine while dramatically increasing the battery life. You can always turn it back on when you need the full power.

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

The reality is that most of these software are designed for 90% of the audience that just wants to click a button and have the laptop somewhat optimize for a current usage scenario whether its gaming or Netflix or just browsing. If you want to put in the time, and are willing to, there's ways to better optimize battery life that'll certainly take you beyond anything you'll get with the out of the box control center softwares. That's a small minority willing to invest that much time though. But you're right, and that's why I keep saying I'm not a fan. Build in these things into the BIOS and give us hotkeys. I'm pretty sure as we move forward towards the age of ASIC (that's dedicated hardware for a specific function) that maybe we'll even see this all automated and behind the scenes so the consumers can just pick up a laptop and use it. Thanks for the great info though. I've also played around with power states and etc. and have exprimented with the settings you suggested. It goes back to my other statement that even for me, most of the CPUs of today are far overkill.

@fy7589

Жыл бұрын

@@techknowlux Thank you for reading the long comment. Most people would not even read it :) I highly appreciate it!

Delete all the fan or watt limits. Play on max performance. I think that's the reason why u getting low fps

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

I've done testing with manual mode and specifying PL1 and PL2 of 28W and 45W on the CPU and then overclocking the GPU by 80 Mhz on the GPU clock and 180Mhz on the GPU memory clocks. I don't know if I can *delete* the fan limits, but I'll test again with the fans maxed out.

What a terrible GPU for the price,this time I think the silicon area is less than that of 30 ,… ,

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

Yes indeed. That was exactly my reaction. About the same level as 3070 ti mobile. They reduced the memory bandwidth, the width of the bus and really did a number on the xx70 series cards this time.

You know a lot but whine too much. For what you want, you should be spending $5,000 in a gaming laptop.

@techknowlux

11 ай бұрын

Is it unreasonable for us to have high expectations when we're spending $4000 or $5000 on a gaming laptop? Considering most people can buy a $600-$800 laptop and it'll do everything they need for years to come.

Not Recomended Laptop.

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I'm not recommending it unless it's for someone who will play games very casually or wants to do creative work or just a big screen.

bruh .. u could killed that laptop if the gpu run on 140watts :o

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

Why? It's 18" and has plenty of room for cooling. Plus the vapor chamber can easily handle the 140W. This same laptop can even handle a 4090 at 175W so no issues.

I just have a question! Without no OC can i play without lag WoW on this laptop?

@techknowlux

Жыл бұрын

By WoW do you mean World of Warcraft? Yes, you can definitely play it on this laptop. But the lag usually comes from network latency traffic, meaning your Internet it either too slow or the servers too far from your house which means the signals have to travel longer. You will not have any performance issues in terms of graphics or jitter or screen tearing on this machine. Your network and Internet are another story. Hope that helps.

@Dramatical.Art.

Жыл бұрын

@@techknowlux thank you!

I have a problem when I exit valorant game it pop out notifications switch gpu and then my screen is frozen until I unplug and plug it’s back in normally 🥲