Taking looks and feel out of the equation, I think it's very hard not to recommend the Cobra, especially at a significantly lower price point than the Titleist. But the TSR range look SEXY.

@scottmccaig6185

Жыл бұрын

exactly. On the objective measures, Cobra wins

@pitman18458

Жыл бұрын

I agree..My concerns are the first three categories..

@gordonmckay914

Жыл бұрын

I have the Cobra. It has greatly improved my distance as well as dispersion. The club fitter at the retail outlet, who makes clubs highly recommended this driver. Tested it with 3 shafts and got rid of my slice as a bonus.

@Barneyrubble241

Ай бұрын

Just looking at a Cobra LTDx in 2024. You can buy one new for $249. I've seen them as low as $199. With new drivers from the Big Brand around $600, that seems like a huge bargain. The new ones aren't 3 times as good.

The part where Ian talks about certain faces being “easier to close” and therefore more ball speed was really informative!

Great review and comparison! Removing the subjective categories the new top three are: Cobra (15 Pts), Titleist (14 Pts), Ping (11 Pts) & Taylormade (11Pts)

@paulmoscicki2038

Жыл бұрын

Be careful Will S, having Taylormade so low will get you banned

I’ve played the LTDx this year and I have to say it’s been one of my favorite ever. Forgiving and long- all for less $ than the big boys

@scottmccaig6185

Жыл бұрын

Love my LTDx blue model

@mrtopramen

Жыл бұрын

I’ll try the newer cobras some day, but my F8+ has yet to be beat by anything I’ve put it up against from newer competitors (ping, tm, and mizuno). The milled face is so good.

I think the most amazing part of this test was that Mikey was hitting almost every shot off the bottom of the clubface. Being a little more toe-biased at impact probably resulted in the draw and that gave him some more distance. He's capable of hitting the ball so much farther. Great job overall!

Such great, objective, and informative content!!

I love when Mike does the testing. Our swing numbers are so similar. His testing of the LTDx early on is what ultimately clinched it for me and I got the LTDx LS. I absolutely love it. It is so long and forgiving for me. When I square it up, it just feels so fast, even though my swing speed is relatively low. The confidence factor definitely helps. I feel like I square it up a lot more often then not.

Would love to have you guys work with a 7-9 handicap 60+ year old high 80's low 90's Swing speed and see how you optimize their set up. Great info in all your videos. Keep it coming!

Take out the subjective looks, sound and feel categories .......................... then the real winner is the Cobra. I think cost of the club should also be part of the test! Great channel guys, love you all.

I feel like a group of people you're missing out on with testing is the high swing speed, high handicap players. Usually it's high swing speed and low handicap or low swing speed and high handicap. That being said, if you would someone who is comfortable in front of the camera and fits that group, give me a call lol

@scottish118

Жыл бұрын

Would love this and never see it! I can bomb it with every club but never break 90. I would appreciate content for high handicappers at multiple swing speeds.

@codyj4417

Жыл бұрын

Most relatable thing I’ve ever seen. Above 110mph driver consistently, but hit less than 25% of fairways.

Great video as always guys 😀👍

Great video as usual guys! It would be interesting to see the same type of test with every driver fitted for Mikey or at least the same swingweight.

wow tsr taking both the players and forgiving tests is pretty remarkable. i’ve hit both and loved them. will be ordering soon!

Love this! I swing it very similar to Mike and his specs! Very helpful!

I’m no cobra Stan, but in the last video I believe the spin std dev. Was around 65 with Ian’s shots (which is insane) and didn’t get a shout. Those are crazy numbers.

High handicapper here. I didn't care about sound or looks so I was very happy when I chose my G425 driver. Shorter yardages, unusual sound BUT what a fairway finder.

Nice Job by Mike...Thats a task testing 6 drivers in a session, Looked like my last fitting with you !!! Exausting, Looks like a new Driver going in your bag before the season is out.... Interesting that Ian mentioned some heads are easier to close than others, Thanks Guys Great Content again and again... cheers

Great content guys

The ball flight just looked hotter off the Titleist than the others so wasn't surprised to see ball speed up and spin in the proper window. Seems to be a common theme with the TSR line thus far. Looking forward to my fitting next month and testing them. I am looking forward to the new releases from Srixon that are coming up soon as well.

I"m not surprised by the results. That new driver has been getting great reviews.

Good review. No favors. Just pure data. Keep it up guys

I enjoy seeing these type of test with all the details comparisons with all the drivers from the TXG team. I'm a recreational golfer and don't play in any tournament. So for me price is also a factor to choose a forgiving driver. Callaway Rogue ST max: $550 Cobra LTDx: $500 Mizuno ST-Z 220: $299 Ping G425 Max: $400 Titleist TSR2: $600 TM stealth: $580 During my testing in a hitting bay, I got similar results as Mikey but for me, the extra distance/ball speed wasn't worth the extra money so I purchase the Mizuno STZ-220 and I have no regret.

I got fit into the Stealth from TSi3 bc it was the only one I could keep over 2000 spin consistently that looked good to me. I think they nailed the look of the TSR2 this year. Much less triangular looking.

@Peccs91

Жыл бұрын

That shape on the TSi2 was a deal breaker for me too.

Nice win for the Cobra. Distance Speed and accuracy is all that matters. You wouldn't discount a HIO if you skamped it and it landed 20 yards short and bounced and rolled into the hole.

Great video. Thank you

Sold my Mizuno ST-Z last month for the Tour Edge Exotic E722. Added 10 yards to carry distance. Tightened dispersion noticeably.

Toed the crap out of the Ping and it was still the most accurate. That’s forgiveness. As a higher handicap player that hits all over the club face that’s what I need more than another 10 yards deeper in the trees.

It's interesting seeing this because I just finished a driver fitting a few days ago. I'm a 6.6 handicap with an average driver swing speed of 110 mph. For me, Ping G425 Max was by far the most accurate and most forgiving in the fitting, so I'm not at all surprised to see it again ranked number one in accuracy here. I thought the TSR2 looked the best, but it was much more difficult to control, which was disappointing. But to all of us, the Callaway sounded the best--a great, classic sound. Wish the Ping sounded like that! Ultimately, if I'm choosing between having a few more yards of distance or a lot more accuracy, I'm always going to choose accuracy. So I ended up with my first Ping driver, and it's supposed to be here this week. Really excited! I can now see why MyGolfSpy rated it the number one over all driver for both Mid and High swing speeds.

Love the video. Gotta say, though, I got used to the sound of my Ping G425 Max driver with my 105 mph swing speed when I keep looking up and see it going straight down the middle! Eventually your brain equates the sound to "just another perfect drive" :)

Great job Mikey, love reviews like this so thanks guys👍. With TSR2 I tried it yesterday & was recommended the premium Graphite Design AD option, any thoughts on how it compares to Tensei Blue 65? Only 55 available unfortunately & tip too active for me, weirdly I like it in my 3 wood

The new Titleist range appears to be performing really well.

Great video thanks, just on your grid at the end I think the points 1-6 on sound should be other way round

Thanks for the videos and comparisons! There was also a variance of 1-4mph swing speed so that may account for some of the differences in carry/total yards? Also-one of the things that is rarely discussed is price vs numbers vs value for $$? Most people do not have $600+ to drop on a driver.......you guys might but I do not!

Recently switched to the Cobra head not the low spin version. WOW!!! Best driver on low mis hits. Which are my speciality 👌

Really like the graphs in this video

I know 6 is a lot to test but a PXG product would have been also nice because of cost. All of your selections are pretty pricey. Love the comparison videos.

I'm very impressed with the Titleist numbers! Looks like they got it right on that one!

Mikey got a workout today.

Interesting guys. Trying to test the TR soon and I think the TSR2 might be the one for me, but getting fit will tell. :)

@mikemartysiewicz

Жыл бұрын

Enjoy Scott!!

Man, I wish I had your club face control!…great video

Recently fitted into the Ping G4250Max, yeah it's louder than most, but goes straight. Definitely prefer center of the fairway.

Curious why the older model Mizuno and not the STZ 220?

I game the Cobra Radspeed XD and still love it. Super easy to hit amd long. love the soznd and feel as well.

Don’t talk about my ping baby like that! 😂

"Mikey, Mikey, Mikey!!!" 🤣

Interesting. It just goes to show how important a proper fitting is in relation to your own physical capabilities. I’m a “mature” golfer with fairly debilitating arthritis. I was able to properly test the Ping G425, Taylormade Stealth, Callaway ST Max and the Mizuno (sorry no titleist). My driver swing speed averaged for the test at 87mph across the board. Ping instantly dismissed as it sounded like hitting an empty coke can (plus it only came 4th on distance). Taylormade second on distance but I definitely lacked consistency from arround the face (I’m no professional at a 22 handicap). It came down to a showdown between the Mizuno and the Callaway. Callaway a clear winner for me at my swing speed giving best to all the others by just over 8 yards and by far the tightest dispersion, both left to right and front to back. 40 gram shaft, 1 inch shorter and lofted up to 14degrees. First brand new driver I have bought in over 8 years. 😊

@jaytucker4338

Жыл бұрын

Atta boy!

Good stuff. I think I might break them up into performance and performance + subjective. I guess if you hate how it looks or sounds, you might not want to play it.

Welp…looks like I’m buying an LTDx 😂

Good stuff

he was all over the low toe of the ping and the swing speed was usually about 100 highest 102. the stealth started hitting 104 and the titliest was 103.5+. The cobra LTD x had a 105 in there. so just the variance of swing speed overall must have a huge influence on the numbers.

@timnorvell7912

Жыл бұрын

I agree. It would be better if they showed the average swing speed and efficiency for each driver. Showing a 6mph ball speed difference from top to bottom is misleading without context.

@soobrex1

Жыл бұрын

I hit the Ping G425, Rogue Triple Diamond LS, Cobra LTDx LS, and Stealth in a fitting at True Spec earlier this year. The Cobra ball speed jump is for real. Nothing different about my swings, the Cobra just generates that much more. I went with the very similar but lower Rogue because I loved the matte crown much more than the Cobra.

@ironsideeve2955

Жыл бұрын

@@dronepocket325 not necessarily

@Kylegolfs94

Жыл бұрын

@@soobrex1 I also can't stand a glossy crown. the LTD X is quite matte though isn't it?

@soobrex1

Жыл бұрын

@@Kylegolfs94 everything except for the transition to the face, and unfortunately that was really catching my eye. I could definitely see that as something that would bother me on the course, catching sun and reflecting back.

Love how you removed the “shot counter” from the foresight header!

Honestly, I don't know how the Ping developers heard those acoustics and said "Wow. That's sweet music."

@Kylegolfs94

Жыл бұрын

this ping driver sounds better than the former ones xD

I'm not sure if it's been requested, but it would be really cool to see a TSI 2 versus TSR 2 to see how much of an improvement it is over the driver it's replacing. Great stuff as always, keep it up!

Great swings Mikey , Tsr for the win , but very close with cobra . Tsr gets nod based on sound , looks , and feel .

Ping drivers sound like a bird of prey in a steam room

Switching from tsi3 to LTDX is the best decision I’ve made. So much easier to hit.

I hope the Ping G430 is quieter when it is released soon. Mizuno and Taylormade are expensive over here. Ping have dropped their price a tad because the new release is coming, Do you include PXG in up and coming tests.

One of Mike’s swings with the Cobra was 5mph faster than the Rogue. Ball speed and carry impacted?

Tried all other than the TSR. The Callaway won it for me (massively unexpected from a TM player)… recommend a fitting for everyone though as always!

I love being in the fairway, cheers Ping

Considering how poor the strikes were on the Ping and how well it did in terms of dispersion and distance it’s not even close imo Dispersion on callaway was also very good. I can say I’ve gamed almost all these drivers (except for tsr and Mizuno) and when I need to hit a fairway I pull the Ping every time. Hitting in a bay is one thing but when the rubber hits the road out in the real world and you need to put a ball in play it’s the Ping every time for me.

I'd damn near rather not play than have to listen to that Ping driver on every tee shot 😅

I hit TSR2 yesterday for the first time and its hands down the best feeling driver I've ever hit. I think if I can get the face angle to look right it will be a monster.

What shaft was used in the Titleist TSr2 Driver?

Hmm. How the Cobra isn't as heralded as the Titleist?! That is phenomenal based on the data and price point and they arrived earlier to the table! Might not have the badge in the bag, but clearly outstanding. Well done.

@mikemartysiewicz

Жыл бұрын

Cobras a great driver!! I have one and love it

Looks like if you don’t use a 3 wood off the deck, you could run the Ping G425 as a fairway finder off the tee behind the LTDx or TSR2

Going to be interesting to see if Ping addresses the G425 clubhead noise in the upcoming G430 driver.

Would love to see a test between 913 D2 vs TSR2. See how much difference over 10 years

@stuboy13

Жыл бұрын

I second that! especially since I play some older Titleists - 915 and 910. I think Rick shield did a fairly decent test over about a decade of Titleist, but only from 909 to 917 or tsi maybe.

@fgavin6149

Жыл бұрын

@@stuboy13 jus curious to see if there is much to be gained.

@WJJH

Жыл бұрын

Would also love to see this!

@evansnyder5948

Жыл бұрын

Swapping from a 917 vs tsr3 there was a 15 mph ball speed difference and a 20 yard carry difference for me. Imo titleist only brings out something if it is significantly better than the prior model. The TM and callaway seem to plateau every 2/3 years then make a jump.

@benross422

Жыл бұрын

I owned the 913 D2 and 913 D3 and 915 D3. Hit the TSi 2 and TSi 3. 913 would be way shorter for most people due to the 1K extra RPMs in backspin. If you’re a high spin player the TS, TSi and TSR lines are massive improvements

Cobra. I’m so impressed with the Cobra’s distance plus accuracy results that I may need to go test it myself.

@svk_5104

Жыл бұрын

It’s a great driver. I bought the ltdx LS model a couple months ago and the sound, feel and performance is amazing and for a low spin “players” driver it is pretty damn forgiving so I can only imagine how forgiving the the ltdx model is and you can get them at a steal right now. They retail for $500 but you can find them on eBay going for about $200 cheaper give or take. I bought mine brand new and paid $283 with tax and shipping.

@Dslots_

Жыл бұрын

@@svk_5104 thanks, gtk!

@mikemartysiewicz

Жыл бұрын

Most popular at TXG in 2022!!

I would say Cobra ltdx had best overall results if you take out looks and feel. Price for the Cobra is also $150 less in Canada. Its looks and feel are not that bad, not like the Ping

@uwrossl

Жыл бұрын

Why would you take factors out just to fit a narrative? They also mentioned those are subjective.

@svk_5104

Жыл бұрын

@@uwrossl you basically answered your own question. You take them out because they’re subjective so while Mikey may have liked the sound, looks and feel of the tsr, someone else is gonna prefer the cobra or ping etc so when you take the subjective things and then you add the fact they are quite a bit cheaper, it is arguably they best driver.

@uwrossl

Жыл бұрын

@@svk_5104 Wrong. This is their test and what's best for Mikey. They plainly state that. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative.

@GolfBert

Жыл бұрын

@@svk_5104 I agree. One thing I liked about this video is that Mikey has a slower swing speed and closer to mine. I have the rogue st max and like it . I also like the ltdx,

@svk_5104

Жыл бұрын

@@uwrossl exactly! What’s best for Mikey isn’t what’s best for everybody else. You take out the subjective categories they have(looks, sound and feel)and you can argue the Cobra performed every bit as good as the TSr. They have the ltdx 3rd behind the stealth and it outperformed the stealth in every single objective category(accuracy, distance and ball speed), that just doesn’t makes sense. They basically just said “cobra is all around the better performing driver but the stealth looks sounds and feels just a little bit better so it’s the better driver.” I also think price point should be looked at because the ltdx retails for $100 cheaper and was neck and neck with the TSr in distance and ball speed but was a lot more accurate. There’s no narrative to push. The facts are literally in this video

Tour edge. I don't play it but from reviews it's pretty good

Looks a bit Fishy to me....the guys swing speed got quicker on certain clubs. You never show the swing speed in the end review. Perhaps you should do them all at 100 mph, his starting swing speed or Ian you do it at 110 mph. he never hit the middle of the club.

Wish he would’ve hit the Ping a bit better. The one shot that wasn’t off the bottom went an extra 20+ yards than the previous ones. Love the detailed testing nonetheless

Bagging a Stealth 10.5 with project X LZ San Diego Stiff. Head set to standard 10.5 loft. On trackman, I am hitting up 6 degrees launch angle 15-16 degrees. My spin is regularly sub 2000. Typically 1500-1800. I’m guessing I’m hitting up on it and hitting it high on the face. Any tips to get more spin and decrease my angle of attack?

I know I asked before, but could you confirm what size birtee you guys are using? I can’t understand how he could get a 14 (I think I saw once there) upwards angle of attack woth a size 4 birtee?

The ping doesn't sound bad outdoors, but it is really loud indoors

@Fufiloofa

Жыл бұрын

It is bad outdoors too, just not as bad.

The Ping, its not very forgiving on the ears.

@scottgibbs7235

Жыл бұрын

I'm always amazed how bad it sounds in Rick shiels videos.

@atxrich

Жыл бұрын

@@scottgibbs7235 tin can

@yotrepo

Жыл бұрын

I had one and it’s worse indoors than out.

@ronaldwestra8735

Жыл бұрын

As long as the performance is right I don’t care about sound

@Powder148

Жыл бұрын

lol yes it’s loud but it’s a bomber

I can't believe that the Cleveland Launcher drivers weren't included. The Lite is a great value driver for all abilities. I got rid of my Mizuno STZ for the Cleveland Lite... Best decision ever.

About how many swings do you do for each driver to get the sample of good swings you want

Upgraded from Mizuno STZ to the TSR2. Swing the same as Mike...mishits with the TSR2 were centre fairway and 253 yards carry, total 263. Lost 20 yards in distance but kept the ball in play. The forgiveness is insane and ball speed all over the face.

@conalsands4748

Жыл бұрын

Was this the stz or the stz 220?

How about the Tour Edge models?

Hmmm. Blurred out strike counter, no avg swing speed/ smash factor?

Nice video, why is he swinging the Cobra 5mph faster? Aero?

Would have liked to see the PXG 0311 XF included as well. But you have to cut it off somewhere I guess.

So a club scoring near the bottom for accuracy wins first place? That seems strange for a ranking of "forgiving" drivers. In fact, rating a club based on looks and sound and feel seems a little silly when they really don't have any effect on where the ball lands.

What is causing 5 more miles per hour club speed with Cobra?

PXG needs to be in there as well

I wonder if you had turned the loft sleeve to a draw on the Callaway, how much of an improvement on the numbers would have been? With it being a slight right push fade it still was going a decent distance.

I just got fit for a new driver. I got fit back in February for stealth. When I hit it solid it is great. I don’t think the forgiveness was great. I’m a decent ball striker but misses with stealth weren’t good for me. I ended up between tsr3 and cobra. The cobra was a lot longer, but I couldn’t keep it consistent. Where the tsr 3 was the consistency king for me. Ended up with tsr3 and excited for it to arrive. For a players club, it was very forgiving

The stealth he felt confident with and started swinging it 4 mph faster lol

The titleist gear is phenomenal this release. Curious how Taylormade looks come spring

Tried Ping last year. Sound was a stopper

Lol anything to get stealth in the top. Im for sure checking out a cobra. Cant afford a titleist

There’s nearly a 5mph difference in clubhead speed between some of the clubs. That can’t be clubhead alone.

Is shaft length a factor here? 45" is std for mizuno. Callaway is longer as std. Curious as to the impact

I love mikey, but I would of liked to of seen ball strikes all over the face. and a higher handicap person doing the test as well. I still love the video! keep up the great and amazing work you all!

@mikemartysiewicz

Жыл бұрын

I don’t want to see strikes all over the place 😂😂 great feedback though!!!

Looks like Mike's work with Martin Chuck is paying off.

@mikemartysiewicz

Жыл бұрын

Trying!!!!

Looks sound and feel have too much weight in this in my opinion. The second least accurate drive can win the forgiving driver shootout? It's 60% as accurate as first place. As a TS3 and Ping G425 max player, my key takeaway from this is Cobra LTDx is a great club that I should check out.

@whocares3986

Жыл бұрын

I can understand what you are saying but I wouldn't play the Ping because of looks and sound no matter how well it performed. I know it may sound silly but a lot if people feel the same way.

@glennsmith8373

Жыл бұрын

@@whocares3986 I would play a driver no matter the sound if it was 40% more accurate. Performance data vs aesthetics and acoustics. To each their own. That being said, sample size here is too small for significant conclusions.

@whocares3986

Жыл бұрын

@@glennsmith8373 They all make a good driver. I think it comes down to the right fit. I think you could get very close to the same results from any major brand. Ping do make a very forgiving driver. I just couldn't play it. I have played their irons in the past and used their putters. I don't hate the brand at all.

Ping G425 Max with the addila 70g is OP

Glad to see Titleist on top in terms of performance but I would be interested to see a durability test, in the past year I’ve had two TSi models replaced under warranty a TSi2 and a TSi4. Very unimpressed with the build quality and how easy it was to dent the crowns on the TSi’s. Hopefully the TSr’s are more durable.

@bobbymarconi7452

Жыл бұрын

@@dronepocket325 I bought the 2 in May of ‘21 when my ball speed was low 170’s with driver and originally got for for the 3 but hated the shape so went with the 2. Now my ball speed is in the mid-high 190’s and am playing the 4 with the Ventus black 7x I was fit properly both times just gained a ton of speed. Also this is not relevant to the point that I was making about durability