Are you sure you got the prices right? The V Strom 400USD over the Africa Tween? I don't know about the prices in USA but in Europe (Sweden) there is a 5000 eur difference between the two bikes. The V Strom XT is much much cheaper than the Africa Tween.

@ekimandersom4478

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same

@johnanderson9735

2 жыл бұрын

Precisely why I went with the Africa Twin Adv Sports DCT. With a msrp of around $ 17 thousand for the V-Storm, there was no way I would it over the Africa Twin Adv Sports, DCT. The ATAS is far more equipped than the Wee 1050. If we had the Euro price difference, I may have considered the Wee 1050.

@renano95

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah idk where they got those prices from the v strom I think goes for 13k the AT goes for like 17

@tHaH4x0r

2 жыл бұрын

Cheaper as it should. Prices being the same, the choice is a no brainer. If you have a little less money to spend, the V-strom is still a great bike.

@jackvliet

2 жыл бұрын

@@renano95 I think you mean the lowest trim v strom is 13k, and the highest trim AT is 17k. The bottom AT is actually like 14. And the highest v strom is around 16k

Just I bought the Africa twin 1000 L 2017 model.. What a bike!!!

I got last years V-Strom for 8500 out the door. Now that’s a deal that knocks out the competition.

@arjenbootsma6881

4 жыл бұрын

That's the way to buy a bike!

@jakestewart7079

4 жыл бұрын

Same. Got a 1000XT Adventure for $9600.

@elmoomle4565

4 жыл бұрын

Good Job!! It's my experience that no one ever pays MSRP on any VStrom including 2020 models. And the longevity and reliability are outstanding.

@ruinerfixxxer

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe I can find a BMW gs1250 for that.....🤣

@arjenbootsma6881

3 жыл бұрын

@@ruinerfixxxer Yes, in 5 years, for one with 60k miles on the clock.

My '02 V-Strom just clicked over 60k. Best bike purchase ever.

@actstuntcam

3 жыл бұрын

And possibly a wayyyyyyyyyy better bike than the new one... apart from the looks - I do like the new styling. The old bike makes similar power, but is 15kg lighter than the new one, doesn't have any stupid rider aides, has better (maybe) dual-purpose suspension, high exhausts, and will still smoke sportbikes on a windy road (in the right hands obviously). I owned a 2003 and loved it.

@Bdub1952

3 жыл бұрын

@@actstuntcam I can't imagine it ever leaving the stable. It replaced an identical bike that crashed into a deer @65 in July '03. I walked away from that crash saying "I gotta get me another one of these."

@actstuntcam

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bdub1952 Yeah, I've sold about three bikes I miss and really regret selling. Tin Tank DRZ400 (Amazing), VStrom1000, and my ZX9B4. I had a mint KTM950ADV, which was fairly incredible off-road, but never really fell in love with it like my Vstrom (I think I'm a strange fish though.) :)

@FoXracing5185

3 жыл бұрын

Just rolled over 50k miles on my 02 Vee! Love the ol' girl

@TheTenantsLawyer

3 жыл бұрын

My 06 just clicked over 75k. I could not have made a better purchase at the time!

Love the new retro styling for the Vstrom, epecially in the yellow livery. I think a better comparison would be to compare the Versys 1000 against the V-Strom. Both are road-biased large ADV's.

@edibercabreramora8857

8 ай бұрын

Now let's try a comparisson between v strom 1050 DE and África twin, cause both has inspired same target

For all those complaining about the weight of adventure bikes just keep riding your dirt bikes. They are completely different animals the Gold standard for these type of bikes are the GS 1250 and KTM 1290 they are very heavy too. If you don't want to ride big bikes off road then don't, go dual sport or pure dirt bike they make those too.

@DMSparky

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly unless you plan on crushing 1000KM days all the time the 1250’s and 1290’s are pretty pointless. The industry as a whole is shifting towards smaller bikes again. I have a Tenere 700 now and on 50/50 tires it’s still pretty unwieldy in the tight technical stuff. I’m not even sure why they bother putting dirt oriented tires on the big bikes.

@rhyswilliams254

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with you Doug. When I take a long "explore America" trip of 6000 miles with as much "not too technical" dirt and gravel roads as I can find I take my R1200GS and have a great time in comfort. When I want to do some real dirt riding I haul my KTM 500exc out to the area in the back of my pickup and have a blast with it. Different bikes for different missions.

@haveaseatplease

4 жыл бұрын

The Honda AT 1100 is not in the same weight class as the GS1250, nor of the KTM1290. As stated in the video, the base AT sits at 220 kg the base GS1250 sits at 250 kg. The base T700 sits at 206 kg. The chassis and suspension of the AT makes it superior for off-roading to everything in its class, and the one below and above it. It is the only big enduro bike (1000 cc and above) that has multiple open class enduro wins out of the box on its track record. It is also the only big enduro bike that is enjoyable off road for novice riders, the rest just don't have that feeling of being in control in the more technical oriented tracks.

@thepassionofthegoose5472

4 жыл бұрын

My 1290 SAR can go anywhere my skill can take it. I also own an XR650R, so yes a proper off-road built bike is always preferable the looser things become. Regardless, anything with plates is likely going to be compromised when ridden in dirt (my XR included and it's objectively light). Every pound over 300 has a literal impact on the soft ground you're riding on, because physics.

@zzxx33mh

4 жыл бұрын

@@DMSparky in mind that 90% rider use them for tour.. And light short offroad..

You are occupying so much of my time with these great videos, only now do I realise the effort of making these videos after starting to do my own channel. Well done. Enjoy, stay safe!

Insane how I never realized how much I like having a center stand on a bike till I bought the Fz6 with it and now it makes wrenching so much easier

I'm starting to think that base model Africa Twin may be that unicorn bike everyone is looking for.

@zzxx33mh

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, some kind of.. 🤔

@jacobitosuperstar

3 жыл бұрын

what??? Yamaha Tenere 700 is the bike

@AnyMotoUSA

3 жыл бұрын

It really is one in the right hands.

@BikerGirlTraveler

3 жыл бұрын

I am starting to think the same. I was really looking at the V-Strom (both the 650 and 1050) for my trip through Central and South America, but watching reviews about the African Twin and it really is intriguing me. My main concern is that I really wanted a bike that it a great road touring bike, and the Honda with the 21" front wheel does feel a bit sluggish on the road. For what I keep hearing. Also, the V-Strom's seat lower to the ground, and I am 5'8", tall for a girl, but those bikes are not built for people my height. Even though after watching this video she makes me feel like a dumbass for even thinking that the Honda is too tall. kzread.info/dash/bejne/oYN4m7CnhMjceJM.html Another bike that is really intriguing me and some claim it is better than the African Twin, is the KTM 790 Adventure. Specifically the R or the R Rally models. But with KTM's having issues with oil leaks and some other reliability issues, specially those bikes coming out of their new factory in China, KTM dealers being harder to find in some countries, and KTM's lousy warranty (which ONLY covers the engine, transmission, and rear swingarm), makes the Honda best suited for world traveling. But damn, KTM is doing some great stuff with their bikes. If they only tested their amazing innovations rigorously before pushing it out on their production bikes, lowered the price of their bikes a bit more, and fixed their oil leak issues, they could make the bike to beat. After all, they didn't win Dakar (the mother of all rally endurance racing) for like 19-20 years in the row purely out of luck. Until ironically a Honda beat them this year (2020). But what is impressive is them wining the Dakar Race that many years unbeaten. That is something that I do not see another manufacture do ever again. If you are not familiar with the Dakar race, here is a break down of it. "The Dakar Rally is not for the weak - roughly 9,000 kilometers (5,600 miles) of rocks, sand washes, dunes, desert roads, water crossings, wildlife and everything else in between makes it the ultimate test of man and machine. The event is held in January and is open to both amateurs and professionals. The rally is divided into 15 stages that one must ride (or drive) about 500 miles each day! Hundreds sign up but only a few will actually finish."

@chrisw4215

3 жыл бұрын

@@BikerGirlTraveler what do you think about Yamaha Tracer 9?

I bought the vstrom and im happy with. I dont go offroad, adv cause im 1,9m tall. The best on this bike is the motor. First weekend with this bike, i rode 600km and it was beautiful. I like the old AT,the new have too much electronics. I wanna ride,not playing computer. And i dont like the design of the ATs. But,this is my opinion and the AT is SURE a great bike.

They came to a conclusion on this video. Nice work with the drones, and excellent editing. I remember years ago a video with a ton of wind noise. MO has come a long way. Also, thanks for coming to a clear conclusion!

In depth and relatable review, thank you

Great Review Guys, Well done, you have floated me up to the Honda, Thumbs up to you Both!

@Troy.. one of the worlds best moto journalists! Stay safe guys and keep up the great work!

Owned more than a dozen bikes currently have a BMW 1150 rt tourer and a Suzuki V strom DL 650A year 2015 adventure...Vstrom became one of the best bikes ever owned. Fyi: I was ready to buy the AT but I felt it to tall and heavy to be off road. Vstrom winned ! ! Keep up the good no bias Videos

both great. Key differentiator: AT has great ground clearance; Vstrom ground clearance sux and sux worse once a crash plate is installed. Vstrom excels in the corners with 19 inch front tire. AT 21 inch tire is not as good in the twisties on pavement. So, pick your preferred surface and the choice will become obvious....

Something is wrong with the review. Suzuki is definitely more road biased

@BikerGirlTraveler

3 жыл бұрын

I believe they did say that, not with those same words. Like when they mentioned the front wheel size difference, sitting position, and so on. Or may be you are right and I read between the lines.

Where I live the XT is 4000USD cheaper. I want the AT, but I can't rationalize it.

my v-strom abs can trick out if its on the center stand running in 2nd gear. then neutral after the fault light comes on. its easier than pulling a fuse especially when the seat is loaded up with camping stuff

Hey guys, why don't you opt for the regular V Strom 1050 instead of the XT? Saves you around 2k and possibly the new to go to option of the two?

I purchased a 2019 leftover Africa Twin manual tranny for 10,9. I kept the stock tires on for about 800 miles (first service) I then had a pair of Dunlop Trailmax Missions mounted. It was like night and day difference on dirt. To me, you can't really judge how the bike does off road with the OEM tires. Any bike will suck with OEM tires. For a true review, please mount dirt oriented tires for the off road part of the review. You see this over and over again, OEM tires on an adventure bike and the reviewer states that the bike doesn't really handle all that well off road. Duh!

@Stevens_Images

3 жыл бұрын

Good point, but for the regular guy purchasing a new bike, they're most likely to check youtube. The manufactures should outfit their bike with the correct tires instead of cutting corners.

@hankwojo

3 жыл бұрын

@@WhatTimeIsIt369 I mounted a set of Dunlop Trailmax Missions on my Africa Twin. It was like night and day. I will buy these again. I think they come in the size you need. Here's a review - www.advpulse.com/adv-news/dunlop-trailmax-mission-long-term-review/

Excellent omparison thanks

Test rode the AT it was amazing- so well engineered. Need to try the Strom now...

@boomerhgt

3 жыл бұрын

Did you test the DCT it's awesome

@dadmadforgot4050

3 жыл бұрын

@@boomerhgt No, it was the standard bike. Would love to try the DCT though. Its strange how a bike designed for off-road (21inch front wheel) can fee so good on road! Amazing engineering.

I would have a dedicated set of road tires for the week and knobby tires for trail riding on either. It’s convenient to have tires that can do both on the Africa Twin but the compromises are not worth it.

A poor test. I am amazed you ran the two bikes on different tyres as that is one of the bigger influences for off roading. I have ridden both and the V Strom is the more complete motorcycle for doing everything well.

@chrisgraham887

3 жыл бұрын

love my Strom!!

@unclebadger597

3 жыл бұрын

Just bought a 2020 1050XT Adventure and it's sooo good!

Very well done review on the bikes! Enjoyed the Honda "Bias" as I'm biased to Honda myself:)

I would have thought that the more accurate comparison would have been the V-Strom 1050XT vs the AT Adventure Sports version, but it surprised me that you said even for a road day you would choose the AT. Would you say the same for a cross country trip?

Honda forever. Keep making great machines. Reliability is key. The Africa T is one of the best looking adventure bikes on the market.

Thank You this detailed comprarisson. In the future want to buy the Africa . Greatings from Hungary

Great review

I have the vstrom .best bike and will last forever

V strom all the way! It has proved itself over the year's 👍.

Great video. Really cool place you were riding at! Where is that?

I've owned a 2014 V-Strom since new and even though it listed for $12,600 way back then, I paid $9300 for it. I've ridden it in many different conditions, including some off road, and have been pleased with it. I'm not an off road guy, more of a sport bike rider who's aged out of sportbikes. The Strom has been stone axe reliable. The only thing I don't like is the 19" front wheel. I wish it were a 17" so I could have more tire choices. I can't imagine how crazy it is to find 21" front tires with any sort of sporting intent.

@kloppskalli

Жыл бұрын

there's nuff choices l'd say 😊

i like both, i'd probably go for a vstrom just because the pricing is bound to plunge before years end, let alone leftovers from last gen. That being said, the AT's new dash is just too ridiculous in terms of complexity and over complication in operation. And thats coming from a KTM 1290 super adv owner.

I chose the Suzuki

@1988pmh

3 жыл бұрын

Me too,never regret it

The winner! Triumph Tiger 900 Rally is $15000 in Shenandoah, TX. TFT, cruise, all LED, tubeless, cornering TC/ABS, quickshifter, Brembos, Showa off road suspension.

That was the test I was waiting for. How times have changed, I remember the review from 2 years ago how Troy really liked the old Vstrom and called it a winner for the price of all big adventure bikes. I ride the 2019 Suzuki XT and I love it. I dont like how the new bike gained 15 kg compared to my old XT and tourque higher up since motor was great on the old one. So Suzuki should upgrade the chasis to keep weight dont how Honda did but they missed the opportunity to make more improvement for the 2020. And also not that I need it, where is a TFT screen? Kawasaki has it, Honda also and Suzuki again stayed behind. So I will just enjoy my 2019 XT because it has it all but the cruise control. Grettings from Slovenia.

@samiam5326

4 жыл бұрын

sky works I don’t work for this company but my mate has it on his V-Strom 1000 and loves it. www.mccruise.com/products/suzuki-dl1000-v-strom-from-2014?_pos=5&_sid=1273349a6&_ss=r

@jaywhoisit4863

4 жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure the weight gain comes from the skid plate, crash bars, and bigger screen. All things we add to our bikes anyways. So I don’t think any weight has been “added”. Shame about the torque band moving up higher. That low down grunt was the best part about the ‘17-‘19 models.

@skyworks1621

4 жыл бұрын

@@jaywhoisit4863 for sure, Triumph Tiger 900 and Africa twin went with a new frame to save some weight. Agree with you.

@grayjohn1906

4 жыл бұрын

@@jaywhoisit4863 agree, my thoughts also for the weight gain, plus there's a cost saving on not having to add extras later! the crash bar is substantial, as good as any aftermarket offering! Plus centre stand and new oil cooler also adds to weight, many reviews have suggested the higher revs for torque has improved the engine! I think a test ride is the way forward! rather than listening to what these fellas have to say, if you can manage to watch it all without nodding off😴

@MrGoat61

4 жыл бұрын

@@jaywhoisit4863 , yes and the centre stand.

I think the vstrom here has is a pricier engine being a v-twin to manufacture . Hence the price , ...also along with it the advantages of it which I Guess is also arguable. But had a Varadero once and loved the V-twin engine.

Yes, tires and a off road gear-set will change the characteristics of both bikes. Drop some air pressure in the tires will definitely help the bikes feel planted too the trails... Caution too how much pressure you can drop incase a person hits a bolder on the edge of the roads. Question time, which of these bikes would be better suited for slow speed tractor mode in the nasty stuff. You know, when things need slow motion and some navigating. Don from Western Canada

Suzuki had me at gear driven cams. That sound is so awesome and no chain tensioner and crap to worry about. For people that do touring mostly but stray occasionally on dirt roads, I see no reason to choose the Honda. Here it is a bout $2k more expensive and not as well equipped. The top model AT with the twin lights and taller screen looks sweet but that is just silly expensive.

Great review. Seems this africa twin in bike to have then. With so much electronics wonder about reliability though with the bikes😑🤔

Nice adventure motorcycles 👍 regards!

In 1998 the TLS had 120 bhp 30 years later less power and less character, is that an improvement, be interesting to Dyno a TLS and Vstrom back to back.

Have a 04 v Strom, I like it very much, will keep, suits me, but might get a drz 400 cos the v is heavy..

Beautiful and honest review , thanks guys great job , I truly love it

Somebody seriously f*%^ed up at Suzuki's price-setting dept!

@gastonrivera3478

3 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah! Is a ton of money... dobt get me wrong, is a nice bike tho! But... the price is stupid high... 🥴

@pieterschellinck8293

3 жыл бұрын

@@gastonrivera3478 is it? in belgium its not , for a bmw gs you pay 6k more, the suzuki is great value( in belgium) when you compaire it to other bikes witch cost more then 6000 euro's extra

@gastonrivera3478

3 жыл бұрын

@@pieterschellinck8293 bmw is in another leage 😍... even then... the suzuki vstrom is a solid bike, I have the little 250 and is fair great

@christiancartmale1150

3 жыл бұрын

@@pieterschellinck8293 And a similiar triumph 900 is 3 to 4 grand more, also my local dealer has one of the 1050XA for sale at 14,799 CAD, THATS A STEAL!

@graycloud057

3 жыл бұрын

@@gastonrivera3478 - Screw BMW after they started putting Chinese Lincon engines in their chain drive dual sport bikes.

I've been a subscriber to your channel for years and have appreciated your reviews and information on many different bikes. Guys, please don't take this to heart (my opinion) but I feel you need to throw a little more pizzazz into your reviews. I've been subscribing now for a few years to Fortnine and Ryan F9...WOW!! I look forward when he post's a review. Maybe I'm just getting older and suffering from ADHD I don't know but that was 20 minutes long of basically just talking. Else, maybe shorten the length of the video. I still read your website, am a fan and thanks again for the info.

@MiGAngeI

4 жыл бұрын

They're the absolute worst "pro" reviewers.

@thresh86

4 жыл бұрын

They are different type of reviews, one tries to make a great film about anything and these guys make a good looking chilling review, as long as you really want to learn about how the bike feels. Everything else is just a test ride away

@llerradish

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, too much talking without saying anything.

@ClinttheGreat

3 жыл бұрын

Hard to compete with Ryan’s reviews and video production.

Realistically people don't buy vstroms for off road. I own one and I use it because it's comfortable and is ideal for my long commute to work in often bad weather.

@SteveWKk

3 жыл бұрын

Yep.....its sold as a street bike....

I love my V-Strom1050XT

@8andsk835

3 жыл бұрын

I’m really considering buying 1. The championship yellow is hard in the eyes, that’s the color I found for 11,900

I have the r1200gs and bought the 1050xt more. I was going to sell the gs, but due to different personalities, I ended up riding both. Both are good bikes.

Can you swap the rims on the Honda Africa twin? Could you put the sport wheels on the base model and have tubeless tires?

@billallen4793

3 жыл бұрын

Streettracker??...LOL...from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠🇺🇸p.s stay safe

So add bar risers and a wider bar also comparible tires then do a review of which is better all arounder!

Good work Guys ty ,as a Suzuki fan im somewhat disappointed in the lack of innovation owning a 14 same engine and frame little effort from Suzuki shows in your honest review ,when shops are still unloading 18 and 19 models here in Canada,Suzuki is being lapped ,and with the price increase shortening the gap to Honda even the sport model is only 3 and half grand more, So Suzuki needs to come to the ring with their gloves on. this is a poor showing after 6 years ,Suzuki you know better,

Africa Twin I have the 2020. I love the Vstrom. Rode it through 1300 miles in Thailand. But My Africa Twin is just better.

Coming from a sport bike I got the 1290 SAS. Can't complain

@Whytee85

4 жыл бұрын

Same, was going to go an AT until I saw the price. You get a lot more bang for your buck for the SAS

I’m planning on getting the AT within a month.

@falchiherve2024

3 жыл бұрын

So sorry for you.... I understand your deception..... V strom is so much better...!

@vageliskoios1062

3 жыл бұрын

@@falchiherve2024 hahahaha..

@falchiherve2024

3 жыл бұрын

Just give both bikes a try on the road ........you ll go for the Suzie

@beachamboy11

3 жыл бұрын

Falchi Hervé I already got the AT. Thanks though!

@boomerhgt

3 жыл бұрын

Africa Twin is freaking awesome I have a 2017 DCT I love the damn thing

Those are nice bikes but man they are HUGE.

@jimmieporter3282

3 жыл бұрын

In 2016 I purchased the AT in red, black and white with a 6 speed. Yes the OEM tires are a joke. The bike needed a lot of upgrades. So I spent another 3k over the 13k. I'm mixed with the size of these bikes. I won't do that again. The Africa Twin looks to be offered in three models. I believe the base model with some additional add on's would be all I would require.

@boomerhgt

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah they are I just traded my Z1000 for a DCT Africa Twin the Honda is huge compared to it,,,but I'm loving the Twin that damn bike goes anywhere

У меня V strom 1000, 2017... Я уже не молод и мне очень нравится универсальность этого байка. Мне удобно в городе, на трассе и даже если я хочу поехать на природу - мне комфортно!

The Strom used to be the discount adventure bike, but now that they're getting into the price range of BMW and Honda, i think they've lost any edge they had. Sad, really, because not everyone wants to spend over $10k.

@chrishart8548

3 жыл бұрын

@pm T700 is almost as expensive price in the UK is more than a f850gs of tiger 850 sports

@ekimandersom4478

2 жыл бұрын

A Vstrom 1050 XT i can get for 13500€, a GS with the same options close to 20K

The Vstrom does come with more amenities than the Honda if I am not mistaken. The Vstrom 1050 XT has cruise control, center stand, heated grips, and crash bars straight off the lot. For a tourer, I think having these things already installed is practical , although I don't know if these justify $400 more in value.

It's amazing to me they suggest 500lbs bikes as off-road anything. You can drive anything on a gravel or dirt roads. I do love the seating position on the "adventure" bikes and the power is fun, but none of them are off road machines.

@allwheeldrive

Жыл бұрын

With the right tires and in the right hands, they can rock. But they simply are best suited to the slab and an occasional fire road where they really shine.

If you want more torque simply install a +4. I love mid power riding. Can you scrape the pipe? Looks like a blast to ride. I love neutral position riding. Is it built with 3 point protection? Can you pick it up? Personally i like less face time more bike spotlight review so I'm giving thumbs up. Does the AT have the same spray in cylinder lining as goldwing? I really love dominating over cars on my adventure bike. I ride beat up dirt roads and lots of tail of the dragon type of roads. I've yet to meet anybody that doesn't love shifting a big bike.

US pricing seems odd. Here in Oz the 2020 Africa Twin is $22268 (AUD) ride away and the Adventure Sports version is $26106 (or $29206 with DCT and electronic suspension). Comparatively the V-Strom 1050XT is $20990 and the standard 1050 is $17990. Even so, I'd say the Suzuki seems over priced (maybe if they threw in the aluminium panniers and heated grips for that price rather than wanting a few thousand extra).

Love how Honda put DCT on 2 wheel. Wish others doing that too

@boomerhgt

3 жыл бұрын

DCT is fabulous on the Africa Twin

@mobeyond

3 жыл бұрын

When it comes to commute, dct is absolutely lovely

Hey Guys! Thank you for doing this piece. I want to really like this new 'Strom, as I do prefer the basic look of the 'Strom over the AT, but... the price point doesn't make sense to me. There is nothing to suggest this bike is worth that kind of money. The strength of the Suzuki has always been the value proposition the bikes bring. But they have taken that away, and now I don't see the need to even consider it. At least, these are my initial thoughts with no seat time. In all honesty I think something like a Tiger 900 Rally is more appealing to me. Or the New GS 850, if you dare go down the BMW Rabbit hole, which frankly I'd rather not. But like you guys say, if you HAD to spend your own money on one of these two, I would buy the Africa Twin. Thanks again!

nice one bro👍🏼

Which one for 2up touring ?

Always be quick to adapt to new technology, it just makes our life easier.

@jeffloucks2120

3 жыл бұрын

Because riding a standard motorcycle is so hard.

Yamaha Tenere 1200 and Honda Africa Twin are 30/70 (30% on road + 70% Off road), Suzuki V Strom and Kawasaki Versys are 70/30 (70% on road + 30% off road). BMW and Ducati are 100% in garage only.

@smoothoperatorradio4427

3 жыл бұрын

I agree that statement bro..but the kawasaki for me total not suitable for off road even 30%

@LooxJJ

3 жыл бұрын

@@smoothoperatorradio4427 figuratively..."Japanese bikes are reliable" was what I trying to say.

@jagadeeshbabuk7914

3 жыл бұрын

100 %garage only😂😂😂😂👍

I like the look of the V-Strom quite a bit. However, I just bought an Africa Twin. Thanks for the video!

Africa Twin could very well be the better bike but I have to say I like the looks of the Suzuki a lot more. Pretty much all of my riding's highway anyhow, although I'm not saying I'd never go off the pavement. Personally I feel bikes are getting way too complex with all these electronics, ... so it's not much wonder they cost as much as they do now. I kind of wonder how all of us old guys and gals ever got along without that high tech stuff. ;)

@crazyrebl

3 жыл бұрын

I wish they would make a model without all the electronics

In 5 years these prices will seem like a dream. Wait. It's coming. The end of all these choices and affordability.

The AT is 5k more here. No way. The XT is a deal. I'm mostly on the road, it's a no brainer.

use to have long time ago two DR 800.red and black,it was love on first sight. nice to ride and eyecatcher,really simple and good quality. than come wife and kids,pause several years. try some other bikes but no really love and enyoing(BMW x 2)(yamaha TT600 belgarda) DL i didnt like at all just because he "kill" DR series,finally before 4 years i buy used DL 650 2006. like i say was ugly too me but riding was soo good,better than anything before. now DL 1050 2020 have all i need look and riding satisfaction. no other brands playin role for me,(BMW .both go to sale).......

there is no doubt the africa twin is a better bike, but at a bigger price. Each bike has their market, if you are a casual rider then I think the V-Strom is the best bet.

I've said much on my channel about the long term value of the V-Strom (I've got over 65,000 miles on mine and have detailed how well the engine components have held up over time), but at this new price with the Honda AT on the market, Suzuki is challenged as pointed out in this video. I'd be interested to know if the AT holds up as well over time...50,000 miles +.

@sonhuynh106

3 жыл бұрын

What is your opinion about the 250cc version of Vstrom ?

@UrbanMonkTV

3 жыл бұрын

@@sonhuynh106 Any knowledge I have of the 250cc model is purely academic as they have not released the V-Strom 250 for sale in the USA. I can't comment with any authority.

@musguelha14

3 жыл бұрын

It's a Honda we're talking about, of course it will be a reliable bike just like the Suzuki. 50k is nothing on either of them.

@UrbanMonkTV

3 жыл бұрын

@@musguelha14 I hear you. I'm a Big Red fan going way back. But I also like the Suzuki. I've got 66,000 on my V-Strom right now and it has been flawless. It was inexpensive too.

Even compared to the 2019 Atas, the engine felt much stronger on the Honda then on the brand new V-strom. Suzuki gave an offroad looking bike a sportbike like behaving engine... The two combined just don't work together. I had loads of issues with my Atas, so I was hoping to get the V-strom instead, but hell my smile was washed off after the vstroms testride. Even the sound was yuck on the V-strom, compared to the rumblin of the Atas. I think Suzuki miscalculated a bit with this bike. Good comparison, legit review! Cheers

@nickanderson1378

4 жыл бұрын

I haven't ridden the 1050 vstrom, but I know the 2016 1000 vstrom out performs the 1000 At on the tarmac

@szaesz8190

4 жыл бұрын

@@nickanderson1378 It doesn't even come close. The Atas corners, accelerates and sounds way better then the V-strom... and not to mention looks better as well.

@nickanderson1378

4 жыл бұрын

@@szaesz8190 If we're talking 1000 strom and 1000 At, on the Road, not dirt, in my experience the strom is quicker in the twisties, better to end and the 21" front wheel on the AT isn't as good on road as the 19" on the vstrom. The AT is a much better looking bike without doubt, but that's reflected in the price in the UK

@nickanderson1378

4 жыл бұрын

Should read Top end

@szaesz8190

4 жыл бұрын

@@nickanderson1378 Not really, the 1050 top spec is at 14k £. On paper the V-strom is stronger, in reality it wouldn't compete with my 2019 Atas. You need to testride it, and you'll see what I'm talking about. The V-strom just doesn't add up. Looks like an adventure bike, wants to behave like an old sportsbike, it just doesn't work. The power delivery also on the V-strom is just nowhere compared to the Africa.

Great review Guys yes the Vstrom could suck you in with its Suzuki heritage but after your review I'd definitely go with the 2 wheeled computer based AT all that tech I wonder if the thing would still go if you damaged the screen or the switch gear 🤔 ?? Maybe its like most Hondas these days where the engine management system is vulnerable to crashes

I will take the Suzuki. It's a bullet proof bike. Its like an old Jeep Cherokee that will do just about anything you want and last for ever. Where 80 percent of ADV riders ride you can take any street bike. Less electronics is better. Less to go wrong. V-Strom all the way.

@boomerhgt

3 жыл бұрын

Nope if your talking bullet proof Honda is king of bullet proof..Africa Twin for me

@Sunrazor

Жыл бұрын

@@boomerhgt Actually statistically Yamaha has the least amount of errors of any manufacturer. That said, Honda has a few % less faults than Suzuki.

Africa Twin all the way!

Test between 2019 and 2020 africa twin, please.

It would be nice to see comparison Honda AT vs KTM 890 adventure R

Multistrada was 7 year old when I bought it 2010 model kept it 3 years 23000 miles when I sold it only thing that broke was a rubber bobbin for dash.but servicing is expensive.

@chrishart8548

3 жыл бұрын

Don't know why any other manufacturers can't make a multistrada. 19/17 wheels 120/170 tyres 2-3 cylinders not stupid heavy. Any suggestions?

@terrybrooks7140

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrishart8548 tracer 9 that's about it can't count BMW f900 crappy Chinese engine in it no thanks

@chrishart8548

3 жыл бұрын

@@terrybrooks7140 be nice if the tracer and the f900xr had a 19" front wheel option and spocked wheels. Like the multistrada does

@terrybrooks7140

3 жыл бұрын

19 inch front wheels on the road don't change direction as well as 17 inch and your choice of tyres isn't as good my multistrada had 17 inch wheels by far the best size for pure road use which is where 99 percent are ridden

@chrishart8548

3 жыл бұрын

@@terrybrooks7140 I have a 21" front wheel so I know what you mean. I'm going to get a 19" front wheel built when a get the chance and fit road 5's

Awesome Africa Twin!!

It all depends what you want to ride, I loved my Suzuki 2015 1000 vstrom, but after hitting a hole in the sump because of ground clearance I decided to sell it. I tried to make it an ADV bike, but sadly it’s not and never will be. Suzuki could have put a 21inch front wheel to make it a bit more dirt worthy....missed opportunity again Suzuki....

As an Android user the appleplay facility 8s useless, I think they need to consider changing that as the tech on the bike is great but it eliminates half the market. Triumph have an app to link ur phone to on the new tigers I think that is the way forward. Shame otherwise the AT is the real deal

@zugmeister314

3 жыл бұрын

As an owner of a 2020AT, I can say Car Play on the bike is awful. Love Car Play on my Insight, it's just not right on the bike. The touchscreen turns off if you're moving so instead you find yourself choosing options with buttons on the handlebar, which is kinda like entering text on your TV with the provided remote's arrow buttons. But you're on the freeway. Oh and it will only connect once or twice before refusing to work until you forget everything and set it up again. I run a quad lock case connected to a mirror mount and charge it off the bike's USB so the phone's display won't turn off. I'd bet an Android version would have the same problems, just use your phone, the interface is already set up for simplicity and ease of use, KISS!

Obviously price policy is different in US because in Finland Suzuki 1050xt is 2k euros cheaper and basic version of Suzuki is almost 4K cheaper compared with Africa twin. On US market no doubt Africa wins the battle on my market not that obvious situation 🤔

Actually ... this is not a matching comparison in anyways. I got to test ride both bikes and the only thing that stands out regarding the V-Strom is its Engine. The AT is in every regard the better package considering both price points. Sure ... the V-Strom is easier to access but all the electronics of the AT are not that complicated as I first thought. You are getting used to it pretty fast, especially due to its tochscreen. What interested me the most was the Suspension of the new AT and it did not disappoint. Also a huge plus for Honda. IMHO there is absolutely no reason to choose a V-Strom over the AT (except you are a fan of Suzuki and the V-Strom). Suzuki should have done more or lower the price significantly. It's sad that Suzuki wasn't able to improve the V-Strom more.

Nice review guys! Thanks

The beak, Imu and spoke wheels are not new to the vstrom

Prices are strange.... in my region Honda is 18,6 and V Strom 14,8k USD. So Honda is 25% more expensive

I'm on an African twin. It is an enviable environment in Japan where there is no dirt road.

@user-re7qr8vp7v

3 жыл бұрын

@@abelincoln8446 　If you only drive on paved roads, the tire manufacturer CRF1000LA41 from BRIDGESTONE will be interesting.

I play on the throttle and clutch. Both feet on the ground.

ok the Africa twin is better off road but for a total use with 80% of paved roads and 20% of dirt roads .. in the end which is the easiest? the fastest ?? the most fun when cornering and when changing direction? the most protective? the one that has a more complete basic set-up? (central stand .. fairing guard .. luggage rack etc.) if you put these aspects together then maybe the Suzuki is a more complete bike

The Vstrom is ancient and it shows at this point. It is not competitive in terms of capability. Budget option.

Here in the UK in 2022, the difference between an A/T and a V-Strom (on discount, cast wheels) is about $7000(7 thousand). You're better buying a V-Strom and spending €5000 on a Hessler or Trail deCouverte Concept kit, far better off-road bike with switchable ABS.

My Suzuki V Strom 1000 2014 is very very good 👍 💪🙏🙌🏻

Neat jacket, Troy. I can see it's an Alpinestars. Which one, please? If the Suzuki has cut the low-down grunt, I'd take the Honda if it wasn't for the tubed tyres. So which one, then? Neither.

@SirSpinalColumn

4 жыл бұрын

The adventure sport AT has tubeless for its more touring bias. Might be more your flavour over the base model.

Africa Twin vrs Triumph Tiger 900 Rally more far matchup