Can confirm these sound FAR better in person, the camera microphone does this no justice. Beautiful machine

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed! Videos never get across how good some exhausts sound.

@the21stsergeant

5 жыл бұрын

@@RichRides definitely! My custom Mauler got delivered yesterday, I absolutely love it already

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

@@the21stsergeant Nice! And enjoy :)

@Lhawk2107

4 жыл бұрын

I can confirm this, this morning was besides one and the sound is WAW !

@thatmexicanguy2989

3 жыл бұрын

Thinking about getting one, how does the sound differ in person? Like is it deeper or?

Was toying with buying one of these, you've sold it to me. Thanks for the solid review!

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

No worries and glad you liked it. Now go have a test ride and enjoy :)

@JamesSchillemore

5 жыл бұрын

@@RichRides, do you mine me asking which mount you are using for your phone/sat nav?

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

@@JamesSchillemore No worries at all. I made a video about it previously here kzread.info/dash/bejne/mn-Oy9qLotCniZs.html

Lovely looking bike. I'm looking for a 125 for a 40 mile (round trip) commute. Approaching my 40's, the general step through mopeds feel a bit young to turn up to work in, whereas these feel mature in design. Love it.

@itzajdmting

Жыл бұрын

Check out the Honda Varadero 125s (usually a few on eBay), getting old now, but they're decent bikes. Vtwin 4 stroke 125 and a full size bike with presence.

Brilliant review. Exactly the depth and feedback I was looking for.

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback Phill. I thought about what I'd be interested to see/know myself and then tried to get that info across. I've also got a review of the 250 Mutt Mongrel coming up in future too :)

Went out to my local dealership today (50 miles away!) and bought one for me and the wife to share :) Just gotta wait untiil Friday for the delivery!!

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

Nice one, you'll love it!

Nice review, looking to get my cbt and give riding a bike a go

Had mine for a year now, done about 2000km. Best thing I've ever bought hands down. Be warned if buying one new in 2020 I've heard they are much quieter due to new EU noise regs but a cheap pipe (less than £50) solves this problem. Great review, had a lot to do with me getting mine

@RichRides

4 жыл бұрын

That's great to hear and really pleased you like it so much :) And thanks for adding the tip about the quieter new models too.

@stefellbt

3 жыл бұрын

@@RichRides How are those tires working in wet/cold weather? If I'm informed correctly they are Continental TKC80's?

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

@@stefellbt I didn't get to try them in wet or cold so can't really comment, sorry!

@oliverkelly2513

2 жыл бұрын

Just got mine (a mid 2020 model) and it sounds way quieter than this! What pipe would you recommend getting to solve this? Thanks

@nicholashurley5659

2 жыл бұрын

Can I plz ask what is top speed?

Waiting for mine, cant wait!

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

I bet! You'll love it :)

Great review! Can anyone advise what realistic top speed the Sabbath 125 can achieve? Not what’s written in the book but what people have experience with?

Just bought one, picking it up in 2 days!!! I can’t fucking wait... thank you so much for this video

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

No worries and congratulations, it will be a long couple of days 😂 But so worth it, enjoy! 👍

@invader1ify

2 жыл бұрын

What's it like man? Is it a euro 5 one?

In case you didn't know, it's called the fat sabbath cause mutt originates from Birmingham where black sabbath also originated from

I rode the 2019 mutt hilts recently. Absolutely loved it. Looks great, sounds amazing. Wish I could afford one!

@RichRides

4 жыл бұрын

Great aren't they. Ride nicely and look and sound ace!

@aidenscott71

4 жыл бұрын

@@RichRides loved it. Thought it felt great to ride. Want one!

Great review! I've just ordered mine, but it takes months to get it delivered to Japan!

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

Nice one! It will be worth the wait I'm sure :)

@byakudou

3 жыл бұрын

Did you give some of the dealers here a try? They seem to have stock of most models.

I couldnt tell a difference between the tyres on 'normal' 125s because i dont buy needle tyred 125s. I buy 125s with 160/50/17 wheels

Sabbath are from Birmingham as well...

These bikes have filled the huge gap left behind by MZ and Jawa .. something's that's quirky and special, with a kind of primitive charm.

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

They look great and are full of character. They also show that you don't need big engines, lots of electronics and rider aids, and a big bank balance to love motorcycling and have fun :)

I think this might be my next bike.

Awesome review! I’ve just ordered mine!

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks and congratulations, you'll have a great summer :)

@tomwilson7236

3 ай бұрын

how'd you find it??

I just recently bought a Mastiff basically the same bike with just a few minor changes, to be honest, the fuel-injected Suzuki 125 engine is very fast for 125, gears are fantastic going up and coming down had a few issues locking up but could just be tight as new. The seat is a problem in extreme weather stitching lets in water but it doesn't dry out that fast plus the seat is more like a plank of wood. What I couldn't grasp is the use of hard plastic brake pipes on moving parts such as forks and rear swing arm, surely with sunlight and constant movement they will fracture in time. I'm a time-served Mechanic who did an apprenticeship with Daimler, Rolls Royce, and Jaguar back in the early 80s I find possible issues on everything very fast. I bought one for a commute in bad weather as my Hayabusa tends to try and go sideways at low power in bad weather and my old GPZ doesn't like wet weather miss fire badly. The Mastiff is fantastic in bad weather brilliant little very quick bike if you are quick up the gears for its power band.

@RichRides

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for all the info! It's really useful to get feedback from owners of any bikes I review, especially long term.

Very good review! Thank you

@RichRides

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Karl, glad you found it useful

Basically the same bike as my herald scrambler its a great bike but needs looking after I get approached all the time asking about it as its rare.

Brilliant little bike. Looking foward to getting one 👍

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

Nice one and enjoy :)

@tomwilson7236

3 ай бұрын

how'd you find it?

We have that in our country for 250cc and 400cc version.

Great review!

@RichRides

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Looks good thanks for info thinking of buying 👍

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Good video review. Well done

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ed, glad you enjoyed it :)

Do you recommend the bike after this time?

got mine yesterday :)

@peoskampilos

5 жыл бұрын

how is it holding up ?

I'm definitely considering getting one of these 🤔

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

Enjoy!

I um’d and ah’d between buying a new one of these or a used ‘big’ scooter for commuting... now I think I should’ve bought this 😬

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

On the plus side, your scooter will probably be more nimble and have more weather protection for commuting :)

WK Legend is similar, great bike. Until the wind blows it over and loosens the gearbox via a banged peg and clutch lever, can only happen once however!

@RichRides

4 жыл бұрын

Ouch! Hope all is ok with it now

@mickhunt1965ii

4 жыл бұрын

@@RichRides smooth, ha.

Do you think the mutt motorcycles range would be fine for someone who is 6ft2? Looking into get a first bike but don't want to look cramped on it. Any information would be greatly appreciated! Loved the review

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

Hi James, I felt fine on it (I'm 6ft) so it could be ok. The only real way to find out is to go and sit on one and see what you think. Some 125's (not Mutts) do have smaller frames than bigger bikes though. A very different alternative may be something like a Honda Varadero that is big for a 125.

@chrisrock4507

2 жыл бұрын

Or the Mutt Razorback perhaps it’s 890 instead of the 780mm of the other Mutt Models

I’m pretty short this bike seems pretty handy for those who are short

@RichRides

4 жыл бұрын

Yes it's a low seat height and a light bike too so very easy to ride and no problem for shorter riders

Hi Rich it's a toss up between this and a cb125r I'm late 50's so no young un. What do you think? money is not a consideration. it's more quality & reliability many thanks ..

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

Both are great bikes so it totally depends on what you want the bike for really. The Mutt sounds and looks great and is a really decent bike. The Honda is probably higher quality, quicker, and rides better though but obviously has a much more modern different look.

by the way - can you tell me what phone mount you are using please :D Need one for my iphone to go onto the bike!

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

I also did a quick video about the phone holder I use in the review video herekzread.info/dash/bejne/mn-Oy9qLotCniZs.html which I still use today.

I like the look of these bikes, are they a hard riding bike suspension wise.

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

For a scrambler style bike I expected it to be a little softer but it was still very comfortable, especially with the large padded seat :)

Hi, just out of interest, how's the bike in 2021? Have you had any problems or had to repair it much in the past few years? I've been looking at getting one, but i'm a bit cautious as they're such a new bike. If I buy a Honda or Suzuki, I know they have a long track record of being reliable bikes, but forking out £3.5k for an unknown bike is a bit off-putting for me. Cheers

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

I just had it for the day to review rather than being long term owner. However, I do occasionally follow the Mutt Facebook group and forums and reliability seems to be decent. There were some common minor issues with early bikes (e.g. rear indicator stalks breaking) but overall they do have a decent reputation.

@masterbeethoven8209

3 жыл бұрын

@@RichRides Thanks, there's a new one for sale near me, think i'll ask for a test ride

Looks like a really nice little bike. Left a little sub too!

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers! Yep, really good fun and great looking too. Also subscribed to your channel :)

@SpikeyOfficial

5 жыл бұрын

Richard Eaton thank you bro i appreciate that 😁

Hi rich - I’d love to get into biking via the mutt 125 , however my wife is worried about the safety accept. What’s your thoughts? Being a 125 is it safer than starting than on anything bigger?

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

Safety was why I'd avoided motorcycles all my life up until about 5 years ago. Unlike a car you're obviously very exposed so need to ride as though everyone else is trying to kill you and also not ride beyond your skill and ability. I bought and rode a 125 for about 6 months (and 4000+ miles) before taking my full test and getting a bigger bike. I personally think that's a good idea as there's far less chance of getting yourself into trouble on a 125 or the power being overwhelming.

@5tevieb954

3 жыл бұрын

@@RichRides thanks responding, I really appreciate that. What changed your mind to move to bikes?

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

@@5tevieb954 I "accidentally" got into bikes as I wanted to do a road trip across Vietnam and motorcycles was the only option to do so (you can't hire cars). So I did my CBT in the UK, fell in love with riding that day, and bought a 125cc bike 3 days later, lol! After loving my Vietnam trip (bizarrely where I now live 5 years later!) I did my full bike license back in the UK and moved onto bigger bikes.

@5tevieb954

3 жыл бұрын

@@RichRides thanks for coming back rich- really value your opinion. The safety aspect obviously doesn’t worry you now?

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

@@5tevieb954 yes it's still a worry but I just try and keep the risk to a minimum. Basically, always wear all the right gear, always assume other people on the roads are trying to kill you or haven't seen you, and never take any risks.

Pity you guys in the UK can't get the Suzuki TU250, all Japan made, not a Chinese Elstar engine

@RichRides

4 жыл бұрын

The TU250 looks great but as you say, not available in the UK :(

im looking to get my first bike. im 105 kilos would i be too heavy to ride this. i know nothing about bikes

@RichRides

4 жыл бұрын

I think you'd be fine. Unlike some 125's that have smaller frames etc, this is a full size bike. It's easy to ride to so would be a great very cool first bike imo!

Just got mine, only got around 100 miles on it but I can’t hit 60mph. Did you find something similar or is there a problem with my bike?

@RichRides

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't really go on bigger faster roads but I don't remember it struggling at that speed. Typically, 125's will top out at 60-70 and that's about it though (apart from some older 2 strokes and newer bikes like the GSXR125). If you're not even getting to 60 (on the flat with no headwind) I think it's worth getting it checked out.

how easy is it to spot the gear indicator i couldnt spot it in the video

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

From memory, newer Mutt's (with the Mutt branded speedo unit) don't now have a gear position indicator. Older ones do and it's a LED type easily readable one. The other Mutt 250 I reviewed on my channel had this but it appeared to be faulty with a segment staying on all the time.

@zhukie

4 жыл бұрын

@@RichRides Unsurprising for Chinese manufacture.

Hello ! Could you do a review of MASH Seventy 125?

@RichRides

2 жыл бұрын

I've not got access to one of those but did do a review of the Mash Dirtstar Scrambler here kzread.info/dash/bejne/k2l9xapwe9iqabw.html

Would these be ok for a person of 6'2 ?

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

I'm 6' and didn't feel cramped on it. Unlike some 125's it's a full size bike and because of the style of the seat you can adjust your position quite a bit. The only real way is to go and try one though.

just a question, are Pillions able to ride this bike?

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, it has pillion pegs and the seat is a decent size. Like any 125 though, it's not going to be the fastest with a pillion passenger. Also, in the UK you'll need a full license as you can't take a pillion passenger with just a CBT.

If I wanted a 125, it probably would be this.

I love this Mutt! Woof woof! But I'd prefer road tyres... ;-)

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

I love the looks of these tyres, but having ridden another Mutt with more road focused tyres, these off road ones definitely compromise road manners for looks.

@steveaga4683

Жыл бұрын

Mutt Mongrel has road tyres.

@peerfridge2391

Жыл бұрын

@@steveaga4683 cheers, mate!

@peerfridge2391

Жыл бұрын

@@RichRides they do, but look amazing...

Ohh fuel consumption!! :) how much fuel does the bike consume per mile or per KM ?

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

From memory, I think it's around 90-100mpg. I did look on the Mutt website but can't see any official figures there.

Great video. It's got me thinking 🤔

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks James. You may enjoy my review of the Mutt 250cc Mongrel that's coming this Friday too ;)

In 6”4 and really thinking on buying this should i as I’m scared of being this tall?

@RichRides

Жыл бұрын

I'm 6" and found it fine but the only way to properly know is to try one for yourself

@Emanuel-bl6uz

Жыл бұрын

@@RichRides Yh that’s what I’m going to do thanks

Pretty good bikes. Is the engine Chinese? I've just converted my cg125 into a scrambler

@RichRides

4 жыл бұрын

It's basically a Suzuki 125 engine built in the far East. Here's the official line from Mutt... "To do this, we spent time developing and sourcing our parts with manufacturers throughout the Far East. We needed a robust, reliable starting point for our customs, so plumped for a version of the bullet proof Suzuki GN 125 made by a Suzuki partner, an engine renowned for its power and longevity."

@motorcyclewild5873

4 жыл бұрын

@@RichRides ah that's OK then let's hope they are reliable as the proper gn125👍

@RichRides

4 жыл бұрын

@@motorcyclewild5873 they do seem to be

@motorcyclewild5873

4 жыл бұрын

@@RichRides I've just been watching a few videos on this bike. They all seem to be good 👍👍

How tall are you please and how do you find the bike to sit on

@RichRides

4 жыл бұрын

I'm 6ft tall and didn't find the bike cramped at all. Some 125's aren't quite full size but thankfully this is.

@kingthursdaybill

4 жыл бұрын

@@RichRides much obliged mate

hi, what's the fastest this bike can go?

@RichRides

Жыл бұрын

60-65mph

Is it a full gear indicator or just a neutral

@RichRides

Жыл бұрын

Yes, they have a gear indicator to tell you what gear you are in.

Tough look. Sound good.

What about Yamaha xsr 125?

@RichRides

2 жыл бұрын

I really like the look of the XSR's myself 👍

really like this bike , and everything about it .. ooo i love ta boooogie!!!

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

Great looking bike and the loudest/best sounding 125 I've ever ridden :)

@kolloduke3341

4 жыл бұрын

@@RichRides NICE THANKS MAN LOL

What phone holder it that?

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

It's this one that I give more info about in this other video kzread.info/dash/bejne/mn-Oy9qLotCniZs.html

j'adore

Give it some

I agree these bike look and ride great.however we have experienced problems with quality, remember they are rebadged chinese imports. Also, customer service from brum has been an issue, and take note they get aggressive and make legal threats fast... bewarned

cool

Mileage ?

@RichRides

4 жыл бұрын

From memory, I think it's about 90mpg

I think I'd prefer the 250. For me, 250 is a nice size.

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

Me too :) But in the UK you can ride a 125cc with basic training (CBT) rather than have to get a full license. The cost of a CBT is around £100 where a full license is around £800 these days! There are also age restrictions for a full license. This is why you see so many 125cc bikes in the UK.

@Rapscallion2009

3 жыл бұрын

To be honest a 125 gives you all the performance you'll ever need, whilst costing beans to run. A 250 gives you a healthy performance margin, so that's great.. More than that and I found they just get irritating to ride because you can't use the performance, but can certainly feel the heft and cost. 250 is nice - their performance usually suits road use very nicely.

Where abouts is the gear indicator? Love this bike

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Guy. The new Mutt's (like this one) have a smaller Mutt branded speedo unit that just has a neutral light rather than a gear display. I also rode an older 250 Mutt (review coming soon) with the previous speedo unit and that did have an LED digit gear indicator in it.

@GuyPorteous

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info! Look forward to the upcoming review as the 250cc is the baby that stole my heart

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

No worries. The 250 is a real goodie btw :)

Lexmoto tempest and sinnis scrambler and lexmoto valiant same bike a lot cheaper at £1600 for valiant to £2380 for sinnis

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

Hi John, they may start life in the same factory (who produce HMC, Lexmoto, Sinnis, Mash) but they're quite different with lots of changes, better parts fitted, and much better quality allround imo. Here's what Mutt's founder replied when asked about it 5 years ago: " The Sinnis bikes and the HMC and I believe Mash are all made at the same factory and are indeed the same frame and share many other parts. The Mutt is based on a HMC which as you say retails at £1500 as it comes from the factory. The Mutt is an altered version of the HMC and has modifications made here in the U.K after it leaves the factory which is why it is more expensive than the standard HMC and Sinnis bikes. As you rightly say the standard 16″ wheels on these bikes don’t look right so the Mutt has had the rear wheel laced to an 18″ rim with stainless spokes and of course new tyres front and back. You will find out when you re-lace your rear hub to a taller rim on your retrostar that you run into clearance issues with your rear mudguard and frame so you will need to fit stiffer shocks and alter the rear mudguard which may also involve a new rear light and number plate bracket. The Mutt has had better adjustable shocks fitted (although they were not fitted in the above photos) and a new mudguard, light and number plate holder fitted. I assume you will be also changing the stock exhaust and silencer on your retrostar, which will involve cost, fabrication and chrome, the Mutt has a modified exhaust system which is then chromed, a new Burgess silencer and new silencer bracket.. all small things but they add to the cost of the original HMC. Add to this a new paint job, ally front mudguard (also not in this pic but comes with the bike for the £2900) a hand fabbed and powdercoated front mudguard stay, new bars, new brake line, new grips and a full tank of gas and the cost soon adds up, the bikes are also gone through top to bottom and test ridden and re checked before being handed over to the customer ( with a full tank of fuel) and of course these changes take time to do so there is also a labour cost involved and associated overheads which brings the Mutt to the price it is. If someone can lace wheels, fit tyres, weld and have a chroming plant and spray booth then I’m sure they could do something similar for less but we really are trying to provide an affordable cool small cc bike for people who can’t or do not wish to do the work themselves and also hopefully inspire younger people into building bikes. I hope this goes someway to explain the price difference between the Mutt and standard HMC’s and Sinnis bikes. A lot of people have been saying the Mutt is the same as Mash bikes or Sinnis bikes and these people are either not looking and reading or don’t really know much about motorcycles. I’m certainly not saying the Mutt is a superior machine to either but it is a customised version and in the flesh does sound, look and ride considerably differently to the stock factory bikes. If anyone wants to see the Mutt compared to the standard HMC’s there will be a Mutt on the HMC stand at the NEC bike show in a week or so. keep your knees in the breeze. Benny"

@MisfitsJOE

5 жыл бұрын

Not the same bike at all, its all in the details ;)

max speed?

@RichRides

2 жыл бұрын

60-65mph

identical with Daytona rock ii 125.....

These look and sound very cool, but I'm guessing they are very low quality chinese build and will give you lots of headaches after some time. And that might be perfectly fine in a retro-cool "I love to work on my bike" kind of way, but they're not that cheap to begin with. For not much more you can geat a very nice 125cc Honda and be happy.

125 Honda monkey bike all day same sort of money

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

It's quite a different type of bike but I should have a Honda Monkey to review soon so will let you know what I think :)

It looks like your voice is vibrating

@RichRides

4 жыл бұрын

Not sure what you mean...

@zhukie

4 жыл бұрын

@@RichRides You can hear your voice vibrating like a stutter...I'd say its the knobbly tyres on a hard surface.

Lol its the same model like Chinese importet MASH seventy. Even speedometer many parts are the same.

@RichRides

3 жыл бұрын

A handful of parts are the same and come from China yes (e.g. the engine which is a well proven Suzuki GN125 copy). But lots of it is built up in the UK with different much higher quality components...

@Celestron781

3 жыл бұрын

Rich Rides sorry not only a handful but 90%. I owned a mash seventy two years ago (still a nice bike!) but no honest business by Mutt. It’s just China imported with some nice marketing.

So why call it the 125 when it’s a 250 ? So people buy this expect this but get a weaker smaller hairdryer

@RichRides

5 жыл бұрын

Mutt do most of their models (including this) with either a 125cc and 250cc engine. The Fat Sabbath I rode here was the 125 but my other review of their Mongrel model on this channel was the 250.

Please please guys never buy this crap The parts all Chinese and will stop working, I've already spend 600 change the parts still braking down, total scam

@Lander76

Жыл бұрын

BS