2017 Sport Touring Shootout - BMW S1000XR vs. KTM Super Duke GT vs. MV Agusta Turismo Veloce | 4K
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Welcome to Motorcycle.com's 2017 Sport Touring Shootout. But this isn't your average shootout. Instead, we're bringing three different flavors of Sport-Touring with the BMW S1000XR, KTM Super Duke GT, and MV Agusta Turismo Veloce. As well as representing three different countries, the trio also represents three different engine configurations: a 1301cc V-Twin for the KTM, 798cc Triple for the MV, and a 999cc Four for the BMW. On the surface you might think the MV is completely outmatched in this faceoff against the BMW and KTM, but, like us, we think you'll be surprised how high above its weight class it can compete.
So how do they stack up? Watch the video to find out.
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Had my MV Turismo nearly 3 years now. Perfect? No. It's too tall (for me at 5ft 8), the steering lock is poor and no top box available (as it would spoil the looks), the dealer network in the UK is poor, servicing is not cheap but.... even now I sometimes go into my garage and just stare at it. The quality and detail is exquisite. Even the side stand looks elegant. The fit and finish is superb. No corrosion whatsoever. I've added a QD exhaust (and had it muted a little) and it just howls, then pops on the overrun. It's so light and well balanced and handles so well it makes me feel I'm a better rider than I am. I've toured central Spain then ridden through France, Germany, Switzerland and down to Italy and back and it is so comfortable. No other bike has ever got me in the way the MV has, and I'm 65 this year!
@chirayuthapa5767
4 жыл бұрын
Hoof Hearted im considering buying a tourismo myself in nepal, im plan to get the 2017 model itself used. What should i be worried about regarding maintenance wise if i ride 20-30km everyday? Or overall?
@aukanmeister
4 жыл бұрын
The MV is really beautiful! And isn't it fun to ride something different than most people? I just testrode that sweet/angry/smooth engine in the Brutale. I loved it! Good choice, sir.
@vageliskoios1062
4 жыл бұрын
Hallo mate.. You had issues? I saw a video from an owner and he explain that he had a lot issues.. Not engine but others.. Also he said that the costumer service is shit.. Nobody helped him so he sold it.. What about yours?
@ironhorse1074
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Vagelis. I've had it nearly 4 years on now and covered over 13,000 miles. Spares situation is still very hit and miss in the UK. The fuel level sensor has failed (common problem on MV triples, apparently) but none in stock in Italy, but still rideable. It also has a clutch grabbing problem that needs sorting out as it makes a quick pull-away very hairy. The newer models have the SCS clutchless-system that is supposed to be superb. The finish is still amazing and on par with my earlier BMW R Nine T and streets ahead of my 2018 Indian Scout. The few UK dealers there are, are generally very good. I still just love the whole package and it really does make a great touring machine with 50+mpg, ridden sensibly, and a range of over 200 miles. The panniers are superb, don't leak, and each hold a full-face helmet. I'm not going to say it's better than this bike, or better than that, because we're all different but 4 years on and it still excites me.
@vageliskoios1062
4 жыл бұрын
@@ironhorse1074 thank you for the informations.. I am considering to buy a bike after some months (now I have the versys 650 2017) and the veloce is one of the bikes who I like a lot.. The other guy had exactly these 2 issues and some more.. So I am thinking that I must see if the owner of the bike fix the common problems before to buy her.. I have many bikes to my mind.. The mv Agusta must support more the bikes because are so beautiful.. Something different.. If this bike had a badge of Honda or BMW etc will sell millions of them because of the costumer service.. Enjoy your bike mate!it's a piece of art! Thank you again for your answer..
KTM ❤️ Even after a year of riding it, I still catch myself laughing out loud inside my helmet when powering down a twisty road 😂😂😂
Looks like a new format and better quality love the new look and style of review keep it up guys :)
@Motorcyclecom
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@peterhansen2781
7 жыл бұрын
Agreed, this was much more well done than their older videos. I'm resubscribing.
@hopebear06
7 жыл бұрын
Brad Bradbury Would love to have seen the Multistrada included. Great video. Thanks.
@nobananaman
7 жыл бұрын
Wonder which camera they used for the talking head portions of the video.
Great review, freaking love your videos guys, keep up the good work
one of your best videos guys!! you guys seemed to be genuinely happy in this one lol :-)
Fantastic review. I have been thinking of exactly these three bikes for my next purchase and this really has helped. Thanks
Really nice test and review. Video quality is very high. Great job all around. All 3 reviewers made good points and explained their likes and dislikes in a manner which would help any prospective buyer. The drone shots of the roads around Solvang are superb. Makes me sorry to be in Seattle in November with unending rain.
Really like the side shots, shows the ergos well.
Very nice review, always interesting to see an MV in the mix.
Nice one guys, I really enjoy the Sport Touring shootouts. I am still riding a 23 year old CBR1000F, but really enjoy your reviews... Thanks again. nzbeeker New Zealand
Quality review, these guys are the real deal. Many thanks.
Good to see ya having a great time, Tom!
Very nice video! Thank you for the 4k!
Omg I love MV's what ever they are..some day MV ..some day.
Difficult to build a bad motorcycle when you got that ktm v twin in the frame, great review guys loved it.
Thanks for an informative and well presented video, all the best from the UK.
Totally awesome review.. I appreciate it, thank you
Great video. Artistic editing and camera work.
excellent job guys. 4k even better
Having ridden all 3 numerous times I thought the BMW was far superior and much better quality than the other 2, I thought the ktm felt a bit plastic and cheap and not worth the ridiculous price tag and the mv was cramped but then I am 6"2. The S1000xr engine is a peach, it sounds like a sports bike goes like a sports bike but is soo comfortable, that's why I bought one 😁
@amurgatroyd
4 жыл бұрын
Barry Stuchbury I sold my bmw and bought the ktm, because of the motor. It’s a beast compared to the bmw
Nicely done! Good job, guys!
awesome review! all the best guys!
Great to see you've up'd the production quality
Just watched this video, I really enjoyed watching and listening to your comments. Well done guys!
You guys are great! KTM is dancing w me in my dreams!
Truly, a professional (an entertaining) review . . . sets a standard against which others should aspire. The only feature I'd like to hear about is speculation about the cost of ownership over five years. When I look back over the fifty years I've been riding, that one review category- for most reviews - is conspicuously absent.
funniest video/episode I ever watched , totally love it .. Totally ! and The info is Greatttttt
Good review! All so tempting.
Hey Guys, thanks for a great comparo. I would have loved to seen the 2017 Multistrada S included in your comparison, any chance you could include that bike in a test in the future?
Can you post the settings you used for the suspension on the MV please. I find mine dives on the brakes too much and can then bounce up.
Nicely edited video!
Cracking video guys, very enjoyable.I know what you mean by the buzzy XR i was horrible when I tried one. The GT is the winner for me with the MV coming in second. I loved the pannier bag competition haha.
be nice how could i not be nice you guys do a great job
Only saw video this evening, Very informative & presented by £ informed folk. Keep it up chaps, Yours Ian
Thanks Guys nice review
Great review guys! Of these three I've ridden the BMW and the MV Agusta. I have to say I loved the MV Agusta. I do not have one only because there are no dealers in a 300 mile range from my house... The BMW is the most precise motorcycle I've ever ridden. Perhaps because of that it is a bit boring. BTW, I own a 2013 Multistrada Pikes Peak. Love the Multistrada.
super video guys
i don't know if I'd make it out of the pastry shops to do a motorcycle review that starts in Solvang... but great reviews! :-)
great video! thanks ... can I ask how did you do with the suspensions of the MV ? I'vê got the TV and I'm looking for a better setting ...thanks
Great vid guys, beautifully shot too! How good does that drone footage look! It's perplexing that BMW released the XR with the vibration issue, I agree - its a deal breaker and a real shame...
@mrvwbug4423
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah that bit of buzz might be acceptable on a 10 grand Japanese bike, not a 22 grand German bike.
@krytenLister
7 жыл бұрын
The vibe issue is over blown - heavier bar ends, mileage and day to day use and hardly ever notice any vibes.
great review guys. I definitely agree on the KTM win
more videos of the KTM!!!!
Great video review! What camera body did you use to film the testimonials?
Agreed with the comment below, probably should've included the Multistrada and perhaps maybe the Tenere. Good review, really enjoyed it and thanks for the summary.
quality was awesome nice shootout
Great vid
brilliant report as always................I trust your balanced judgement regards Snake Australia
Well put, Evans :)
Did the XR cause your right hand to fall off due to vibrations ? sold mine after 3k impossible to ride
Bummer the multistrada was not included.
@coyote102076
7 жыл бұрын
I was curious as to why it was not myself. Himmfff. Nor was the Suzuki Vstrom 1000. I mean, sure the Vstrom/DL1000 is called an "adventure bike", but that is a joke really. They are much more a sport touring bike than an ADV bike. It is how I look at own Vstrom650. As a ST, not an ADV in all reality. It just has some, minor, baby, off road ability. lol
@sportsmobilexlvoc3526
7 жыл бұрын
In my opinion the Multistrada,s1000xr,MV and KTM are their own category which I look at as a super sport touring. These bikes are the highest performance forum of a Touring bike meaning big horsepower sport oriented wheels and tires and suspension. I just thought it was sad the bike that got this all started which was a Ducati wasn't included even though it's been tested before. and yes the V storm is a great bike but not in the same category.
@fueltoblaze1554
7 жыл бұрын
I was quite amazed that the Multi would not be included in this video. The Multi is a very much the sports tourer.
@percussion44
7 жыл бұрын
They couldn't find one that would stay running long enough to complete the test ride.
@sportsmobilexlvoc3526
7 жыл бұрын
percussion 44 I guess everyone has there own opinion. me personally couldn't be happier with my multistrada and it even starts and runs every single day since I use it as a DD ;)
Which mic was being used in the beginning of the video? Crazy clear.
How does the Yamaha FJR 1300 compare with this trio as far as a good sport/tourer goes. Can these three expensive European bikes match the Yamaha for reliability, price and affordable parts? Are they as comfortable on the open road?
Guess what I bought! great review
bro, I'm confused what to buy, fz25 or r15S
hey put a direct link to the article in the notes... so we can easily see the winner! great video guys!
@Motorcyclecom
7 жыл бұрын
Ask, and you shall receive!
@Motorcyclecom
7 жыл бұрын
Updated the link. Thanks!
Where do I buy one of those gasolina camo hats?
Wish you guys would have brought in the Yam, Kaw, and Triumph bikes too.
I know it's discontinued, but k1300s? Or even the zx14r
super duke looks and sounds great...thanks for the comparison
Great review, thank you. Very informative about the nuances that separate these amazing bikes. I collect my MV TV in 4 days time... I have a KTM 990 SMT now but the SD GT is too fugly, heavy and IMHO it comes over as a sloppily reworked Super Duke (too much plastic, too many different finishes, confused lines, far too busy.) The SMT was a much nicer, cleaner rework of the 990 Supermoto, for comparison. Likewise the S1000XR is too heavy and as much as a farkle-fest as the Multistrada. I ride 12 months a year, commute, tour, scratch and do a few track days and guys, I CANNOT see how anybody can use +150hp! Its pure vanity. Besides, as Colin Chapman said, 'Just add lightness.'
@krytenLister
7 жыл бұрын
That's your opinion
@thomasbouvier3203
Жыл бұрын
And what about now? Did mv last long enough? ^^ Looking into it to replace my fz6s fazer. Or go with naked one. Still unclear.
where is the tiger 1050 and the yamaha 09tracer?
Thoroughly enjoyed the review even though the MV did not win :)
Any chance you guys have a middleweight naked shootout coming? I've been hoping to see how the new Brutale 800 stacks up against the competition
@mrvwbug4423
7 жыл бұрын
Against the all new Z900, greatly improved FZ-09, and all new street triple? I don't have high hopes for the Brutale in that crowd.
Great review! May I have your opinion on a better option Im in a market for an all rounder, specifically between R1200 GS Rallye or S1000XR. I live in the Philippines and Although I ride mostly on tarmac, the roads conditions can sometimes be gnarly even on highways. And the tropical heat bites.
@tibortoczauer7985
5 жыл бұрын
I love my XR, but the GS is definitely the better all around bike. The GS has nice low-end grunt and quite good handling, so it can stay close to the XR in the twisties. In other conditions the GS dominates. Because it's suspension can be softened much more, it is a much more comfortable touring bike, and infinitely better offroad. Forget about going offroad on the XR, unless it's a very smooth dirt or gravel road.
I've owned a 2016 XR for a while now and if it was gone tomorrow and I was given a cheque to purchase a replacement I wouldn't hesitate to by another XR. I've owned a 2010 SMT and several other KTM's and I do like them but I can't get beyond how gruesome the Super Duke is. I've also owned several Ducati, the last being a 2013 Multi GT and I won't go down the exotic Italian motorcycle road ever again.
@therealslimshady4555
6 жыл бұрын
Jack Peters iv a 2017 xr1000 and i love it.had a ktm well my dealer had it more than me.never again will i buy a ktm. Unless it a 2 stroke mx/enduro
Thanks very much for this guys. Terrific comparison. I have had my Tiger 800 for nearly 4 years and it is the best bike I've ever ridden. Saying that I am very keen to have a look at the XR as I'm starting to feel that the tiger is down on power for me, plus the steering leaves a lot to be desired when I am fair up it! I've ridden the S1000R and love that engine. I had not thought about the big Kato though. How does KTM gear that bike? My wife's Ducati Monster is geared really tall and I think if I had to ride a 1300cc twin around with super high gearing, then it would drive me nuts! I'd really appreciate your thoughts please.
@360Crank
7 жыл бұрын
Mike McLeod Ducati superbikes were notorious for tall gearing; "It is designed to win races. Get used to it". But they've since come to their senses, and the 2010 and 2015 Multistradas I've ridden have both been properly geared for road riding. I'm currently riding a 1290 GT and it is also well geared for road use, with a reasonably light clutch. It steers better than the 749 I traded in for the GT, which is my new all-time favourite bike.
The 2017 BMW S1000 XR is not in the USA market yet. Was this a 2016 XR you were comparing?
Can't wait to get my BMW S1000XR!
@purdyquibb
4 жыл бұрын
Did you get you're XR?
@wideawakenor
4 жыл бұрын
Quibb He couldn`t wait ...
I'll have some of that weather in Finland, thanks.
Really nice quality and camera work! You are too late, though - I already ordered my Super Duke GT so it was all for nothing ;)
how does 150 miles per tank make a bike a good touring platform?
When is the 2017 superbike shootout. I thought you guys woulda hopped on that by now 🤔
I thought BMW have not shipped the 2017 XR yet. The 2017 suppose to have addressed the vibration issue.
Absolutely loving the step up in production value! Though Troy has my sympathy for having to have a handheld mic ;)
This might be their greatest review ever
Can we get a GSX-S750 vs FZ-09 vs Z900 shootout now that the new FZ-09 is out?
pls do video on how to tour in hoit weather
but how's the reliability between the three? Also, keep in mind with weighted bar ends, people say that the vibrations are reduced by 80%.
@mrvwbug4423
7 жыл бұрын
KTMs are supposed to be reasonably reliable, only just below the Japanese big 4 and way better than the rest of the Euro bikemakers and Harley. MVs are quirky and Italian, that should tell you all you need to know about how reliable they are. Bimmers are legendary for being total money pits.
@WyreForestBiker
7 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't trust the reliability of any of them ...
@BFD15i
7 жыл бұрын
lol. KTM is a lot, but surely not know for it's reliability. In Germany, KTM was translated to "keine Tausend Kilometer" (which basically means 'no 600 miles') for years. They had different models in long-term-tests at the biggest german motorcycle-magazine and quite a few of them had fatal engine-breakdowns. The RC8 got replaced in it's test, and the new bike they got had a fatal breakdown, as well. It's getting better, but they still have issues.
@Gautam454
7 жыл бұрын
I'm not saying the MV is reliable but you must remember people go on forums to post problems. Noone starts threads about how great their bike is. So while you see lots of problems on forums, theres 10x more owners who are enjoying their products daily
@67claudius
7 жыл бұрын
mrvwbug44 KTM are "better than the rest of the Euro bikemakers" according to who? Are there data that I do not know? Aprilia are "Italian" and they have shown good reliability.
I am surprised that these three bikes are now called "sport-touring". A few years ago sport-touring were the Yamaha FJR1300, Honda ST1300, and Kawasaki Consours. All the bikes had full fairing and large windshields. Has the class changed?
@exothermal.sprocket
7 жыл бұрын
That's definitely a class, but the ones you mentioned are more traditional lower slung sportbikes or sport-standards with a lot of touring added in, whereas the ones in the review here are more ADV-sport-touring bikes due to longer travel suspension and less general weight. Two distinct classes of bike these days. From my own personal research, I feel there are the following classes: Sport-touring class (such as FJR1300, etc) Adventure sport-touring class (total paved bias) (long travel suspension, upright ergos) (bikes in this review) Adventure touring class (on-paved biased, some off-paved ability) (same as above, but 19" front wheels) Dual-sport class (off-paved biased, some one-paved ability) (same as above, but 21" front wheels) Enduro class (road-legal dirtbikes, clearly built for 100% dirt use) Off-road (not road-legal) Hope that makes sense. Publications try their best to match up categories and price points for reviews, sometimes blending in one or two outliers to the class for people who may cross-shop. All depends on the motive of the review.
@Texarmageddon
6 жыл бұрын
If memory serves me right..... Only the XR has long travel suspension.. The KTM and Turismo both sit fairly low
@johnduncan9681
6 жыл бұрын
I am seeing lately the FJR, ST, K16 etc.. being called Supersport Tourers as the overall class grows and segments.
I guess the interpretation of Sport Touring bikes is changing. These are more of adventure bikes that have adapted to street use. Sport Touring IMO is FJR, Connie, K1600, ST1300, Motus, Trophy, etc. Great video though. I'd like to ride a Super Duke GT.
@mrvwbug4423
7 жыл бұрын
I'd say more along the lines of naked bikes with touring amenities than pavement focused ADV bikes. The Sport touring class is pretty broad with some approaching the size of luxury tourers like the K1600, FJR and Trophy and some down around the size of a super sport like the Interceptor.
@Texarmageddon
6 жыл бұрын
mrvwbug44 k1600 and trophy are just recognized and marketed as touring bikes these days by their respective companies
Lol you got the MV from Newport Italian. Of course. I love all of them for different reasons, but would likely buy the KTM. Might end up with one if I give up on FJR life.
only 3 bikes? FJ09/MT09-Tracer?
guys plz review suzuki gsx 250r
Leave a comment and be nice? Not me. But! good video you blokes. I enjoyed the different views, thoughts and reasons. Thanks.
"Small Dutch town of Solvang" Danish...
@Terraceview
7 жыл бұрын
same thing
@robertpolkamp
7 жыл бұрын
BarryEssex Close, NO cigar
@dpajc056
6 жыл бұрын
isn't a Danish a thing you buy at your local store with a coffee and a thing u eat? lol
@fleuger99
5 жыл бұрын
Most Americans are clueless about the rest of the world. Same as Pennsylvania Dutch when its actually German...not Dutch. Or more specifically, the Amish originally came from Switzerland where they speak German. But, I digress.
nice to see mv making bikes to make some money with, hopefully they will update the f3 line on this new platform soon so i can spend some money :)
I think the Ducati Multistrada 1200S is missing from this group. It's price point and ADV-style with sportbike tires is the same class as these. But if it takes *60 thousand dollars* to put 3 adults on a motorcycle tour? What's going on here? I guess I'm on a Ninja 1000, Versys 1000, FJ-09, V-Strom 1000 (bit of an outlier) kind of budget. But I'm liking the new relaxed way of Motorcycle.com doing video reviews. Good job on ya!!
It looks like it would be a great time riding with you all
Nice review, thanks guys. For the panniers, I have to add that for any one of them, you have to live with it for a while to get the trick down right. That said, I have to say that the MV did a great job in integrating the bags with out having any evidence of bags when they're off. Nice sleek tail.
I tried a few top brand bikes out - anyone who hasn't tried the large KTM range needs to. I own 1 & love it. by far the best bike for your dollar's.
Multistrada 1200 ?
VFR800, 105hp V4 and 50+ mpg for touring, just needs cruise control....
@kylegoodman5196
6 жыл бұрын
If you're talking about the current Interceptor it's a terrible touring bike. Way too aggressive of a riding position, basically the same as the current CBR600RR. Aside from the cool engine there really isn't any reason to buy it over a supersport. I compared one to an F800GT and ended up with the GT because the GT was just a much more comfortable and well equipped bike.
@usbsol
5 жыл бұрын
Kyle, the VFR 800 and the CBR600rr has very different seating positions - the CBR is 5 cm taller and 12% more forward lean. look at cycle-ergo.com. I think part of the difference between sports touring and adventouring is the seating position - more sporty or more upright - and I prefer a semi-sporty riding positing :)
What about the Ducati super sport?
Another bike that could be a worthy contender to at least the BMW is the KTM SuperAdventure 1290. I tried it last year before getting my S1000XR, and I liked it a lot. Very comfortable with very little vibration despite being a twin. Very powerful with better torque than the BMW, although not as great as the SuperDuke. The thing that turned me off was that the keyless ignition broke down during my test ride. Suddenly, the main screen showed a message that there was no key in the vicinity, despite me having it in my pocket. The engine continued to run of course, but I also knew I couldn't turn it off, because I might not be able to get it to start again.
A Yamaha XT250 is really the way to go.
Why is the whole Internet states KTM has 173HP while your specs show 153 ? Is it to the tire?
@jonasbaine3538
22 күн бұрын
Yes that is wheel horse power. Bmw is around same 150 but well known to be underrated at 160hp. Real hp is about 170 easy before mods! No torque though 😂.
These guys are nuts... How could any professional not appreciate the S1KXR as the obvious best choice of those bikes, lol.
It's funny, I ride a 1999 Honda VFR800 and I've test ridden a lot of bikes, including the 1200 Multistrada. I actually never noticed the buzzing on the XR. I guess I'll have to test ride it again, because I never noticed it and the test ride was probably about 20 miles.Maybe it's because Im so used to a buzzy older bike.
great review guys .......snake
I see a Super Duke GT in my near future, yay :) Saw some comments on the Ninja 1000... yes great bike and arguably in this class but there's no question the KTM outmatches the Ninja in performance and handling. If that's what you're into, and are willing to risk less reliability, fewer dealers (while touring) and higher service costs, then you lean KTM as the Super Duke occupies a rarefied space. As for the price, consider the Kawi doesn't come standard with bags or heated grips. If you go with Kawi accessories those would set you back $1200 in the U.S atop $12,200 MSRP for a 2018 so you're at $13,400. I can get a 2017 KTM SD GT for $16,000 at the local dealer, bags and heated grips included, that's its listed price. Search CycleTrader and you'll find 'em for less than $15K, brand new. Not sure about destination, setup and & etc. fees but still we're not talking twice the cost. Just saying... thanks for the vid motorcycle.com, great job.