I've had 2ways then I went 3way and loved it now I'm almost done with my 4 way so its a 3wat with an extra 6.5 in the custom fiberglass doors

As I understand it, the beauty of the Audiofrog GB25 is that it can play much lower than a tweeter, allowing a crossover point that doesn't fall in the vocal region. Then the crossover point from mid to tweet can happen higher, which keeps vocals and the majority of instruments' main "voices," for lack of a better term, coming from a single point source that can reproduce them with accuracy, well within that driver's performance envelope. Asking tweeters to reach low, or midbasses / big door midranges to reach high, puts either driver into the edges of their respective performance envelopes where they are less linear and smooth. If/when I upgrade my Tundra's front stage, I hope to use an Audiofrog 3-way set fully active with the tweeters in the factory JBL door corner mounts, and the GB25's in the dash firing up at the windscreen, and the midbasses in the doors. It gets expensive to go active, but I'm convinced it removes some of the tradeoffs associated with "made-to-a-price-point" passive crossovers.

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your input! I wish I could put mids on my dash as that would be my ideal place. Unfortunately I’m more than likely have to put them in the A pillar’s. I’m seeing some people putting 6.5 in the dash or A pillars and they look terrible but probably sound good as then they are not getting the issues at lower ranges that we all have and only a 6.5 up front in the dash or A pillars can give you. That being said everything in car audio seems to be what are you willing to sacrifice for the best sound quality. I know when it comes to custom work you want to know exactly what you’re doing before you start otherwise it’s going to be even more expensive unless you can do all the custom work yourself.

I was going to install all new door speakers and 2 12 inch subs in the back along with amp and power capacitor. It’s for my brother and I’m not too sure of 2way or 3way speaker is better, Does 2 way mean I add more pieces to the built?

@CarAudioHorizons

8 ай бұрын

3-way for the most part is better which consists of a Woofer, mid and tweeter. Were as a 2-way could be a Woofer/Mid and Tweeter or a Woofer and mid where the mid plays up to close to a tweeter. A 3-way is going to have more of everything as you need more amplifier channels to power them and a lot of the time involves custom work if you don’t have ideal factor locations for the speakers.

i have a tacoma, and where the stock JBL tweeters were housed, i was able to fit a Morel 2.5" mid (part of the 3-way 603 set) there are the subaru/toyota aftermarket tweeter brackets, and a little filing i fit the mid in that spot.. not a super high end comp set by any means, but the sound stage was raised by 2' as you might imagine... so it's far better than stock.. the tweets are now surface mounted to the sail panels. there are dozens of 'plug and play' vids on YT using the factory wiring and such, but i keep steering people away from the kicker tweets to at least go w/ focal, or replace the entire system. the JBL in tacomas is embarassingly bad! only using the stock 603 passive xovers, at least my head unit has a DSP and EQ to help a bit.

@CarAudioHorizons

6 ай бұрын

Nice! I haven’t heard any decent plug & play systems where they just replace the speakers. I have heard a couple that sounded ok when they also added amplification and a DSP or a combo. If you have the right tuner you can make anything sound good even a factory set up.

I went from to a morel to a three-way morel full active both of them. I prefer the three-way.

@CarAudioHorizons

9 ай бұрын

Yes, if you can get the install and tune correct in theory a 3-way should sound better, unfortunately most installs struggle with the first two things 😆

I like point source speakers that are bi-ampable. Im using a 3" mid in pods on the a-pillar in my truck, ram 3c from audible physics. Awesome little driver. Best of both worlds.

@MrLs1racer

5 ай бұрын

Oh, they play from 300hz on up too.

@CarAudioHorizons

5 ай бұрын

Yes the Audible Physics and Ilusion Audio were the go to speakers if you didn’t want to run a tweeter. My favourite mid is still the Dynaudio Esotar 2 E430 and my favourite Tweeter is the Esotar 2 Dynaudio E110. But the tweeter is huge and just looks out of place in a vehicle for the most part. There have been more expensive speakers but I still thought those were the best sounding to my ear and I might install them if I decide to do a mid in my A pillars. Not sure about the tweeter though.

I have a helix dsp, and have been thinking about a 2-way with a center channel. 🤔 It would be a 2.5-way lol. I wonder how that would work out. I don't care about a 2 seat tune, it's my daily.

@CarAudioHorizons

Ай бұрын

If done right it could sound decent, but finding the right person to tune it would be the difficult part. I have a Center channel and was going to put a gb25 and GB10 in there but I haven’t heard anyone’s vehicle that has a Center channel yet. So I’ll wait until Chris or Larry do a vehicle with a Center channel and then see if I can listen to it.

I started with a focal Es KX 165 2-way and then decided to add the mid bass. I think if you are going 3 way you need to go active and need a great tune other wise it’s going to be better to go 2ways. I love my focals and I’m going to move them to a new car and it will be two ways in the new car with matching rear fill. For the car that actually has system now, I’m going to Scan Speak Golds with beryllium tweeter. No rear fill. Bandpass setup for subs. I think you should do the three ways and make sure you have a person who tunes extremely well. If you are doing 3 ways no rear fill is needed. Rear fill should only be used to pull sound stage forward. If you go three way I like to have tweeter and midranges match. Mid bass in 3 ways don’t play the same as 2 ways so it doesn’t matter. I like my 2 way more until I had proper tune and went active. Hybrid set up is cool, just remember to keep a balance of volume and you will be happy.

Have you replaced your dash speaker with the Audiofrog gb25?

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

There is no dash speaker in my vehicle. If and when I decide to put in the Audio Frog GB25’s they would have to go in the A pillars.

@michaelvicano4938

Жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons There is one central 3.5 speaker on the dash of Jeep Grand Cherokees...below the windshield defroster.

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelvicano4938 Yes, I know. I was just saying there is no dash speakers as on the sides like there has been with some of the Jeep Grand Cherokees. It’s pointless to do a Center channel unless you were doing Dolby Atmos or something along those lines but then you would need a source unit that was capable and extra speakers positioned properly

I like a good 3-way active system. A good tune is a must. I think for most people the speaker brand isn’t going to matter if you have a good tune. Most people are not competing so they can save some money on equipment and just have a good tune.

@CarAudioHorizons

8 ай бұрын

Even a budget system these days isn’t cheap especially if you’re trying to do a 3-way and rear fill active.

@JayRays1truck

8 ай бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizonsIt can be, that is true. However, there are ways to keep the costs down. I did all my own work and I just figured out that I have less than $900 into my system. That includes: head unit with apple car play, dash, front and rear door speakers, (2) 12” subs, built my own box, 2 amps and a DSP. This also includes the wiring and some sound deadening materials.

@CarAudioHorizons

8 ай бұрын

@@JayRays1truck Yes, if you can do your own work then you will save big time as that’s the most expensive part honestly

Morel supremo 602 or scanspeak ellipticor for 2 way?

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

I would go with the Dynaudio Esotar 2’s over both of those options. That being said, no matter what speakers you go with it will be the install and tune which will make the biggest difference not the speakers. Both choices could sound bad if those two things are done wrong. I have heard a lot of bad systems where people had extremely hi end audio in their vehicles.

I would think about a dynaudio e430 mid or focal utopia. But gb 25 would be great also so it’s all Audiofrog

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

The Dyn’s were actually what I was originally going to go with but the E110 tweeters are massive! Lol I haven’t really seen a pair that looked good in a vehicle

@wyattwilliams4813

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons In the future I’m going to try those I bet they’re insane. But the size sucks lol

So 6.5 play s lower and mid getting more vocal s and tweeter play s higher

Hi Dave I had Morel 2 way supremo 6½ mid and a piccolo tweeters the system sounded powerful and amazing with jazz and blues music, at the time I had my mids mounted down in the door panels and the system was active. Now I use the Gladen areospace 3way kit. The mid bases are mounted in the door panels, the tweeters and the 3-inch midrange are mounted in the A-pillars and drive them active. I believe 3way has a better focus but lacks when playing heavy music like jazz with saxophone and piano that sounds stronger in 2way system, on the other hand 3way sounds very focused when it is well installed and tweaked and of course time correction that makes the 3way voices sounds at the pin point. However, I have never tested a purely passive system but at the end of the day, I prefer 3way system. but the 2 way system will always sound bolder and stronger. This is based only on my own personal opinion. Thank you for your video🙏

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your input! That’s great information. That two way system you had is expensive!! Do you think it’s the size of the driver that effected what you liked in the two way over the current 3 way? Or do you think the Morels were just the better driver compared to your current set up? Obviously you prefer the three way more now but still liked some aspects of the two way.

@high16200

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons Hi Dave, the sound of 2way is much better as I love jazz and blues, I do not mean because I used Morel, the bid size of 6½ makes the sound so bold and strong. The reason I use 3way is just because all cars in EMMA-Europe use the 3way system as it is easier to build the A-pillars than to rebuild the dashboard. Second, when using a small midrange, it is easy to adjust time correction that creates a fixed point smal center that EMMA judges loves but I personally love big center. Before we used 6½ mids on the dashboard, it took a lot of time to rebuild a perfect sound stage, so if I did not compete in EMMA, I would definitely without a doubt go with the 2way setup. Why I said I prefer 3-way system, it is easier to modify the A-pillars and if you use an older car like I do Volvo S80 2005, it is cheaper to buy A-pillar from a junk yard depending on the model we pay only 20 US dollars for a pair. I was not correct in my previous post to be more precise, 2way is the best system to enjoy your music to the fullest.

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

@@high16200 Yes, I have heard that in the UK especially that everyone has pin point Center channel imaging which 3-ways would most definitely help in that aspect. I’m definitely going to go 3-ways but I still have to find someone that can do the job properly on my A pillars! So far I have had some quotes done but when I seen pictures of some of the A pillars these companies did I wasn’t impressed! Might have to go to the US since I can’t find a Peter over here 😆 On a side note I seen the specs on Mosconi’s new Pro amp the Pro 4/30 on Facebook! Looks excellent and apparently the first 30 watts out of the 170 on each channel is A class. It was an intestinal video they did, it wasn’t in English but had the translation text on the KZread video

@high16200

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons Yes! I highly recommend that you go with the two-way setup, it really is a different experience. The good thing is that we in Sweden in our team have few guys who are very good when it comes to working with fiberglass, they are really good at plastering new door sides, A-pillars and so on, so they always help me and we also have some good Carudio dealers who do fantastic jobs but they are very, very expensive. So I always trust my team. Now I want to tell you why I hesitate to upload a video of my installation on youtube, the thieves have stolen my entire sound system on two different occasions and it was truly a devastating moment for me to lose so much money. I live in a small town and everyone knows me, I am the only one in town who owns expensive caraudio products so I have to be very careful all the time so as not to reveal what I have in the trunk. It's so sad that people can not let go of other people's stuff. I have one question for you. I know I have asked you before regarding the SD card which do you recomend? I have read a review they recomend samsung Evo select for handling Hires-music. what is your opinion? Yes my dealer recieved the new Aclass last week. He ias tested them and he called me and said that he is mounting 2of them in his car they are that good

@high16200

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons Hi Dave, I just saw my mistake😃 I mean you should go with 3way setup

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So you don’t have a 3 way? Dude. The 3 is about sq not spl. And mostly about Setting a soundstage. The problem with a two way, is the soundstage gets dragged down with a 2 way system, based of frequency. A three way is much better for the soundstage staying put. The ability to put mid/tweets physically up higher, the ability to put them on axis if need be…of closer to on axis. No tweeter has low end a 3” or 4” mid does, it’s just the physics of the problem. And for a SQ system, full active , sound treatment, and many other things are important. You want an spl system it’s really just a number , a db level you are chasing. Completely different systems. Once you understand the limitations of a two way, and critically listening to soundstage , and how low notes are dragging soundstage down, you will never be able to unhear that. Welcome to the three way world. Today , going active is really what a person should do, many problems exist with a passive crossover. If using a factory system many issues also arise like phase problems, on the factory head unit output. Usually due to the use of all pass filters. An active system using dsp, can identify problems, phase, frequency, time alignment, amplitude issues among different drivers , and correct them. A passive system can not. It is what it is. Rta or real time analysis is also needed to identify what’s happening in the car, in addition to dsp. Some dsp’s do it all, like audisons latest amps, they have the amp, the dsp, and an rta built in, just need to plug in a calibrated mesument mic. But none of this is cheep.

3 way the mid is loader the cross over points change

Honestly if your soundstage is on your dash and it sounds really good then maybe you don’t need it… but who am I lol

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it sounds great right now. That’s why I figured on just keeping them and then adding another tweeter and mid from another brand just so I could switch back and fourth just because 😏