Apart from Ian McKellan’s bravery here, this is also why Wogan was a good lad. Look at the way he respectfully frames and articulates the questions in a way for McKellen to set out his view. No salaciousness, no attempt to engender moral panic, just a polite, considered, measured conversation. Being as sensitive to this issue as he quite genuinely comes across is not something you would readily expect of the host of a prime time chat show in 1988. He was on the side of the angels really was old Tel.

@johnking5174

3 ай бұрын

Everyone might be surprised to know Terry was a liberal man at heart. He was an atheist and a humanist. He believed people of all race, sex and creed should be treated fairly. I remember he said he was raised in a Catholic school system and he hated it. Lovely man, very much missed.

It is amazing how calm & composed he is, it makes his point even more convincing!

It was enormously brave of Ian McKellen to say this at that time. I was 24 in 1988 and it was another ten years before I dared to tell another person I was gay or meet another gay person. To do so would have meant potentially losing one's job, family, friends, everything. Much better just to say nothing and never admit one's feelings to anyone.

For an actor to express himself so clearly in such an atmosphere of bias is actually extraordinary. He's not a philosopher or politician and yet he shines a light on the nonsense debate of the time so very brightly.

@balthiersgirl2658

Жыл бұрын

Politicians talk utter garbage all the time he's so much more intelligent

@andybray9791

7 ай бұрын

He loves slippery slope stealthily

I don't think people realise how brave it was for a public figure like Ian McKellen to speak out at that time. Section 28 would be unthinkable today and thank goodness for that.

@Friday0891

Жыл бұрын

Absolute tosh Mr EPSTEIN, The cabal you're apart of promoted anti christian values like your ancestry did many years ago. Today homosexual rainbow 🌈 mafia are absolutely hated worldwide and when the walls start to crack the fighting will be definitive

@joshuataylor3550

Жыл бұрын

They're doing it in US schools right now

@joesam7744

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuataylor3550 Mabe be should take the time to read 1557 bill ( its only few pages) before you spew out CNN bullcrap.

@MarcoNegrisEye

Жыл бұрын

So brave. So virtuous.

@ember-brandt

Жыл бұрын

Look up the 'Don't Say Gay' laws.

Ian presents a cogent argument and is the most eloquent man.

1:46: I almost fell out of my chair when that wide shot showed Telly Savalas had just been casually sitting there all that time 😂

What a fine head of 80s hair he had in those days. The ‘summer ‘ Wogan set was lovely and positive colour and set design .

This is the first ever video I've seen of young ol' Gandalf.

@alextovar5666

Ай бұрын

He was then 48 years old.

This was the year I came out. It was still a horrid, dangerous world out there and AIDS was rife, causing more hate and prejudice. Ian and others like him were so brave.

Sir Ian - brilliant

he was such a handsome man, even now in his old age. Theres something about the English, their elegance, their accent, the "properness."

What a wonderful man, and a wonderful segment. Section 28 came up at an event I was attending recently and I thought I'd re-educate myself on exactly what it entailed... he spoke out very well about it. Re: the book, I had a similar conversation with my best friend the other day... he said "What's the point of Pride, you will never change the bigots' minds?" to which I replied... "But if there are people who are, indeed, LGBTQ+ who are hiding in the shadows, they get to see there are others like them, that they are not alone, that it is 'normal' and 'okay'." Interesting, isn't it, how the meaning of something changes completely depending on the audience experiencing it...?

This is a perfect rebuttal to the 'don't say gay' law in the US.

@tommyatkins3911

Жыл бұрын

It's in Florida and there's nothing about not saying gay in it.

@tonyatkinson2210

Жыл бұрын

@@tommyatkins3911 it’s effectively the same law though . Whether or not the term is used

@MarcoNegrisEye

Жыл бұрын

@@tonyatkinson2210 well it doesn't just spring up from nowhere. Why is the law being presented? Is it simply because of hatred of homosexuality or bi sexuals?

@tonyatkinson2210

Жыл бұрын

@@MarcoNegrisEye Bigotry is back on the rise in the US. A symptom of Christian nationalism and trumpism

@Eric-ys8do

Жыл бұрын

​@@tonyatkinson2210 section 28 was worse as the don't say gay bill only applies to elementary schools, this applied to all stages of education plus local authorities

One of my favourite actors. He’s in a movie called “Walter” which on KZread. Fantastic acting.

Section 28 should never have even happened.....

@johnking5174

3 ай бұрын

It was a disgusting law, brought in by Thatcher, who had gay men in her government and some curious men such as Michael Portillo. Tony Blair tried his hardest to repeal it when he came to power, and finally did so in 2003, after stiff opposition from some.

Back in the day when we could have an adult discussion.

@andybray9791

7 ай бұрын

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Very eloquent

Terry Wogan was a very liberal man in his views. Even though he was brought up in a fairly conservative catholic environment in Ireland, he hated it. He was an atheist by the time he became famous on the BBC and he was a supporter of LGBTQ+ people even before LGBTQ+ was a term used.

@jasonthewatchmansson8873

Жыл бұрын

Mr. Wogan is interviewing a gay man. There's no such thing as "LGBTQ+ people."

@ilovemydog6847

Жыл бұрын

Being gay in Ireland at that time was akin to being in league with the devil. It was only around this time you could buy condoms as up until recently then sexual protection aids were illegal. And this at a time when priests were sexually abusing children.

@ministryofanti-feminism1493

9 ай бұрын

He was a BBC man, so that's obvious.

I love him so much. So talented, funny, smart.

Wogan was a gay rights pioneer.

@Friday0891

Жыл бұрын

wogan was a television employee, he peddled whatever the cabal told him to.

@andybray9791

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t mind meeting friends who go out with same sex, at met some of their partners and they are polite

Just wonderful to watch our gay forefather's fight for the rights we have today. I never knew Sir Ian Mckellen was such a brave freedom fighter.

Gosh he looks so young here.

Thankyou Sir Ian for this. The 80s was such an interesting time so much liberation but also oppression with section 28, which really engendered so much fear. Eventually the liberation won.

The closest thing we have now....on having a proper adult conversation....is the meme cat and the blond lady pointing fingers at the cat.

That law shall not pass!!

10 years before Gandalf!

He's not changed one bit.

Section 28 was so damaging.

@pendorran

Жыл бұрын

It was never enforced.

@ABC_DEF

Жыл бұрын

Not really, because no one was ever prosecuted under it.

Gandalf the Right

@ministryofanti-feminism1493

9 ай бұрын

Gandalf the Far-Left more like.

@dr.vikyll7466

3 ай бұрын

​@@ministryofanti-feminism1493 Being gay is far left????

@justaghostinthesea

2 ай бұрын

Gandalf the Based

Ian speaks reason to irrationality. Wogan gives him the space to do so.

@johnking5174

3 ай бұрын

Terry was a very liberal man and agreed with what Ian was saying here, and he wanted to give Ian a platform to say his point.

See the thing with section 28 it is the intentional promotion. I wonder how many “accidental” so called promotions they was

Gandalf the Gray, sorry misspelled it 😂

@eddieworkman5855

7 ай бұрын

gandalf the gay 😂

Section 28 happened because Thatcher after 1987 was increasingly influenced by right wing headbangers who told her it would play well with Tory voters (on a personal level Thatcher was not homophobic). William Whitelaw had been her trusted right hand man and a restraining influence on her but he retired due to ill health in 1987 and after that she went off the rails. Hot on the heels of this spiteful malicious law came the Poll Tax which was MASSIVELY unpopular with almost everyone and was the beginning of the end of Thatcher.

I thought section 28 was wounding with intent.?

@joshuataylor3550

Жыл бұрын

Propaganda

@Eric-ys8do

Жыл бұрын

Section 28 of a different law...

@andybray9791

7 ай бұрын

It stopped indoctrinating

the first minute of this vid is unfortunately not the case anymore but what a G Sir Ian McKellen less go

@revbenf6870

7 ай бұрын

Huh??

4:55 But now, they are more than readily avaible to all kids. In fact, reception aged kids are forced to read the,

Maybe in 30 years, we'll be just as fine with the T part of LGBTQ. It's always the same. Something 'new' enters society and everybody hates it because they didn't know it existed and messes with their reality. Those people invariably end up as that relative that younger members of the family are ashamed of. I personally, want to be that relative that is wise and a source of help as the younger ones try to make their way in life. I want to be Yoda, not Vader.

@Illustraful

Жыл бұрын

You want men in women's changing rooms you mean.

@Michelle_Schu-blacka

Жыл бұрын

@@Illustraful 🙄 And what about transmen? Is it equally bad to have 'women in men's changing rooms'?

@Illustraful

Жыл бұрын

@@Michelle_Schu-blacka Yes.

@Michelle_Schu-blacka

Жыл бұрын

@@Illustraful Presumably you think transwomen are using female toilets to commit heinous comes because, what other reason could there be for going through years of transition, surgeries, discrimination, etc, etc. So why is transmen using male toilets bad?

@Illustraful

Жыл бұрын

@@Michelle_Schu-blacka I'm not talking about those who've undergone surgery. I'm talking about those who simply declare they're a woman or a man and everyone else is supposed to go along with it. Women don't have a penis. Men don't have a vagina. Biology doesn't care about your fantasies.

The UK is now one of the most open and tolerant nations on earth.

@jakedeane5304

Жыл бұрын

And is paying the price for it big time

@MrZarewna

Жыл бұрын

@@jakedeane5304 How so?

@MrZarewna

Жыл бұрын

@@squamd5777 I'm from Finland. Don't really follow UK politics that much, so I was curious. But thanks for calling me blind and deaf, I appreciate it.

@tmarritt

Жыл бұрын

@@MrZarewna the guys just scared of brown people

@imsoreetodddid9007

Жыл бұрын

@@MrZarewna because it's to the detriment of the native British people in regards to mass immigration from the 3rd world.

Well turns out the yt / BBC collective won't allow my comment despite it being free from bias. We must only stick to the script.

@DenkyManner

Жыл бұрын

Was it really dumb? I'm guessing it was really dumb.

Michelangelo was NOT 'gay' !

@comediansactorsandall2502

10 ай бұрын

He was

@zipperdan3969

7 ай бұрын

At the time the church accused him of sodomy on multiple occasions and now you have Christian mongoloids going "oh well he actually wasnt" funny that

From little acorns big oak trees grow. From acceptance to society's degeneration in 34 years.

@kjp4250

9 ай бұрын

And of course, heterosexuals had absolutely no part in the 'degeneration' of society. As if straight porn wasn't readily available in the 80s, no, let's just blame gay people.

A mild/similar version of section 28 (with changes) would be much needed for this era. Ever since the “mermaid” scandal etc even I’m gravitating towards Christian groups. religious schools deserve protection. I wouldn’t be bothered if people go out with same, opposite or both sex but marriage/adoption part no. Sex education should be at high schools/college only not younger. Not everyone of modern sexualities would back everything. We should have ads like that saying at the end some would override description

@revbenf6870

7 ай бұрын

So called "faith schools" merely allow the indoctrination of young minds and the quashing of genuine enquiry and debate. This was a more modern expression of the same mindset that persecuted Alan Turing our great and tragic war hero.

@zipperdan3969

7 ай бұрын

Are you saying that I shouldn't have marriage rights?

@andybray9791

7 ай бұрын

@@zipperdan3969 only for humanists but other major religions no

End of the world :( let children be children they don't need to learn about cruising

@francofan100

Жыл бұрын

Yeah since 2003 schools have been basically rubber and sex fetish clubs. That’s why I moved me kids to Venezuela

@andybray9791

7 ай бұрын

@@francofan100 since section 28 repeal we are on slippery slope

Wogan has always been awful.

Was that Telly Savallis they allowed a flash of ? jeeeez he must have been bored. Whenever McKellen was on a ''Talk'' show, you could bet he'd bore the viewer's,plugging his Gayness.

@Illustraful

Жыл бұрын

Dealing with troubling latent feelings?

@WVgirl1959

Жыл бұрын

I don't think he's boring at all and I don't see all this gayness that you see. Lol But some people have blinders on and all they can think of is what kind of sex people are having behind other's bedroom doors so that they can disapprove of it. I don't ever think about what someone is doing in their own bedroom, that's their business. Just like these preachers that rant about prostitution or gay lovers but have them in their bedrooms. You naughty boy must be one of those that love to think about it or you wouldn't have brought it up. Hahaha, it is always the ones that are putting someone different down that are doing the same thing behind their own closed doors. Hahaha

@thecaveofthedead

Жыл бұрын

That wasn't boredom you were feeling. It was homophobia. And you knew it as well as everyone reading your comment.

@LordNimonYT

Жыл бұрын

Back in 88 this was social change. That anyone would think McKellan is “promoting” something you’re born with should look into the last 50+ years of psychological and societal study, lest they sound like a deliberately ignorant throwback. But yes, that was Telly Savalas.

@eemoogee160

Жыл бұрын

This default to being triggered is kinda amusing, to be honest. But the seeming inability to comprehend the content of the interview combined with the apparent lack of basic human empathy are disappointing.

The should bring back that law

@ejl1000

Жыл бұрын

Really? Why is that?

@jackduxbury1632

Жыл бұрын

🪖

@DenkyManner

Жыл бұрын

You're so edgy. What a funny, subversive jokester you are. Such an original mind.

@MrDaiseymay

Жыл бұрын

@@ejl1000 yeah right

@Illustraful

Жыл бұрын

You protest too much.

Section 28 shall not pass!

@TetsugakuSan

Жыл бұрын

🥁

I dunno why this Rainbow Wizard of Gondors Mountains had to do Cats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!