I know a lot of people like to see the big crankers, but I love to watch these bowlers that rely on accuracy, hand position, and such. Great and priceless footage. Thank you.

@danadesimone9322

Жыл бұрын

Me too

@playdiscgolf1546

Жыл бұрын

And even till this day, that approach can be an advantage in tough lane conditions. Norm Duke won a US open throwing it straight when everyone else was trying to hook it across the lane and struggled doing so.

It's like a completely different world. Rubber balls, tokin cigs during practice, old video technology and B&W, completely different ball motion than what we usually see today. And of course, legends like Dick Weber and Billy Hardwick in their prime. Fascinating stuff.

When you were watching bowling in those days, you have many memories of the greatest years gone by. Too bad the aches and pains come with it.🎳

@roberthuot7887

3 жыл бұрын

What is flixzone if you don't mind me asking?

Boy this brought back memories!Used to watch these guys every week all thru my chidhood.

This brings back memories watching old bowling with my Grandpa. Love these old matches.

@kevinjohnson4599

2 жыл бұрын

Same here pal because this was when bowling was bowling. The bowling like the NFL is now CRAP too & isn't worth watching anymore either.

Pete Carter, Don's brother, was a part of the great Stroh's teams out of Detroit, and I was blessed to have him at the Camp Pendleton pro shop in the early 80's. The stories he would tell, and the little things, like before pre-fab finger grips, where bowlers would glue pieces of tire inner-tube to the finger holes for more grip...priceless. When I see videos like this, I think of Pete. Much appreciated!

That was great. Hardwick, Weber, and Joseph were tremendous bowlers. There was nothing like bowling on Saturday with Chris, Billy, and Nelson. Then following that, you watched WWOS with the legend Jim McKay.

Mr Bowling 300 thanks for putting this on, Jim Carter

WOW. The first Firestone. Thank you for saving the history of bowling.

Thanks for posting this. I was 4 years old but I was already watching as both my parents were avid bowlers so we almost never missed a telecast. Mom had her women's league, Dad twice a week with the guys. They bowled mixed doubles tournaments and bowled league together with my Aunt & Uncle. When I grew up I bowled three times a week with my Dad and one night Mixed League with Mom. I get a lump in my throat watching all the old ABC Tournaments. Arthritis took the game from me in my 40's because I couldn't get a firm grip on the ball anymore. 😢

I have no idea how you, irishpogi, BowlingOldies and others get your paws on this stuff, but I love it. It's much appreciated!

I'm so glad there is footage that has survived of Billy Hardwick back when he was still using his index and middle fingers. The only pro I've ever seen use that grip. Great stuff!

@MikeHL78 thank you very much...I have so much material, but can't seem to find the time to upload them. I'm glad you've enjoyed watching!

Thank you so much for this post ! I watched this as a kid and still watch today .

At 9:43 Chris Schenkel mentions Glenn Allison, thanking him for keeping score for the telecast that year. 17 years later the same man would make history by bowling three consecutive 300's in a sanctioned league for the world's first 900 series. Sports Illustrated did a great piece in 1982 about it, and can be Googled easily.

@jamesklatt

9 жыл бұрын

and the USBC to this day has not certified Glen Allison's 900, but has certified other 900s.

@20alphabet

9 жыл бұрын

James Klatt You are correct. However, the later 900 series did not have to pass the same scrutiny Mr. Allison's did. In fact, one of those which were certified was pre-bowled after hours with only the lane mechanic present. It was later reversed, but is evidence of how bad the USBC is.

@mrbowling300

9 жыл бұрын

20alphabet don't even get me started with Mushtare

@20alphabet

9 жыл бұрын

mrbowling300 Dawkins was the beginning of the end for the USBC. All offenses,deterioration, and head-slapping anecdotes since are merely the symptoms that followed. Bill Taylor knew what would follow if Glenn's 900 wasn't certified. He was right.

@Jason_Maier

7 жыл бұрын

What was the deal with Dawkins?

My right ear really enjoyed this video.

Oldest bowling video I have ever seen. Every single one before this that I watched was in colour. That came as a shock to me this time. But I'm glad to be watching it and see how much bowling styles have changed.

I second MikeHL78's sentiments. These videos y'all have put on YT are the reason I've started league-bowling again after 28 years.away. Thank you!

Got to see Dick Weber bowl with my youth league in like...2001 I believe. Great to watch, can't believe he was ever so young.

Incredible upload thank you for this.

Chris Schenkel was a friend of my Dad's, and I just love his analysis--be it football, bowling, golf--you name it, and Chris was the BEST! Great gentleman. I enjoy this era much better than today's. Thank you for posting!

I remember that bowler who was the first to roll a 300 on national TV everyone knew him. What a claim to fame .

Its kind of nice to see only 1 ball per bowler as compared to todays bowlers.

@douglasskaalrud6865

4 жыл бұрын

What’s nice about it?

@11SEXMACHINE

3 жыл бұрын

@@douglasskaalrud6865 Takes more skills, less equipment that's what.

@johnarriola9526

3 жыл бұрын

Bacj in those DAYS THE lanes didn't have all the oils in the wood lanes like they do today Plus bowlers were not as sophisticated in there approach or ball curve like they are today.

@dniemi58

3 жыл бұрын

Why? 🤷‍♂️

Me, too. I always thought the "wall shot" that Dick Weber made famous was the coolest type of strike, but it's non-existent today.

This is the majority of the April 10, 1965 ABC "PRO BOWLERS TOUR" 90 minute telecast of the "Firestone Tournament of Champions" [3:30-5pm(et)]. There was a 40 second "window" for a local station break between 0:20 and 0:59 {local commercials and "WABC-TV, Channel 7, New York"}- the network "stayed on" during that interlude, and only the local affiliates' monitors saw the audience standing up...

Two things about this which are timeless: 1. Dick Weber's arm swing 2. Joe Joseph's rug

@tonyvincent9753

Жыл бұрын

Looks like someone stapled a danish to Joe’s head!

This is incredible!

In the crowd shots, you will note quite a few people wearing sunglasses. They weren't doing so to look cool. The combination of the very bright TV lights of the era and a low ceiling in a bowling alley resulted in many people having to wear their sunglasses to keep the bright lights out of their eyes!

after the tourney broadcaster Chris S. was thanking everyone who supported the tournament. I heard Frank Esposito, I worked for him as a kid in Paramus Bowling NJ. many years later i'm getting ready for the PBA senior tour Very sad to see Paramus Bowling Close, it was the landmark of bowling, every Monday night at 9pm The Eastern Classic League, bringing many great players off the tour to compete there.

@ajankowski2

8 жыл бұрын

+Ed House Yes, RIP Paramus Eastern Classic. I wasn't one of the 'stars' there, but I bowled in the classic for 4 seasons in the 1980's. Some of my fondest memories.

@edhouse1951

8 жыл бұрын

Hi Alex, I was the tall skinny kid back then mechanic and lane man, I set up the high scoring shot for Paramus eastern classic Monday night when team Kerr Concrete shattered team bud Weiser 5 man record, Semiz,Vetrone,Whitehurst,Fuscsrino, Marchut, great team

@dnx112

Жыл бұрын

I shot back to back 900' s there, hated the place.

Smoking on TV. Remember it well.

@metalox88

3 жыл бұрын

Barf

definitely a different day and age back in 1965

The site of all 3 of our hof athletes in their primes here in THE BIG DAY puffing away on cigarettes on the lanes before onset of match…..wow. Im imagining that Mr. Davis, Mr. Petriglia,Mr. Pappas had alot to say about the matter in Image meetings. A different world, its wrong sure but i sure do miss those smoke filled arenas and that cigar smell at stadiums, especially Chicago ones..

Watching bowling on espn. Got me curious to find some classic/vintage bowling on tv.

I hope we find the full broadcast of the one from 1967

Aside from the wonderful shots of Billy Hardwick etc. bowling in competition, check out the section starting at 17:00 where Bill Allen talks about technique, including some slo-mo of pocket hits. I've seen lots of super slo-mo of releases. Are there any super slo-mo's of different kinds of strikes e.g. "perfect", delayed 10, delayed 5, 5-7 kickout, 5-4-7 kickout, "miracle"?

The pocket looks like it was a board higher back then. In my bowling league we’d be praying hard for the trip-4 with that shot.

@langdonogeay1141

2 жыл бұрын

Yep

@dnx112

Жыл бұрын

Not a chance.

man hearing Chris's voice in the 60s it sounds exactly the same

I came here for the shot put competition. James Randel "Randy" Matson is the man! Go Aggies.

What's with the lighting on the pin decks.looks like sunlight coming in from somewhere?old school buda

Back when scores were kept by hand. Couldnt happen now , kids cant add.

@steelydanbowler Agreed. Granted, this is probably about the hardest I've ever seen Dick Weber throw it, and he looks like he's hitting it pretty hard, too. And check out Hardwick's grip - he's bowling with his thumb, middle finger and pointer finger.

Ah, the old suitcase release. You still see old-timers using it occasionally.

Where did you find this?!

This is amazing footage! Kudos to you. PS KZread People. Is there any footage of Chris Hardwick talking about his dad? Just wondering?

Weirdguy 342: Although ABC's coverage of "Pro Bowlers Tour" wasn't broadcast in color on a regular basis until, 1967, I thought the 1966 Firestone Tournament Of Champions was broadcast in color, since that year, some ABC sports events (mostly NBA basketball, a couple of golf tournaments, a few segments for "Wide World Of Sports", and most of the network's college football games that Fall) were broadcast in color. Thus, 1965 was likely the final black-and-white telecast of the Firestone although the other PBA Winter Tour events in 1966 were still in black-and-white..

Unbelievable how none of these bowlers - not even Dick Weber - had even an ounce of follow-through back then - they just dropped the ball & used body english after that - Incredible.

@georgemolnar7344

10 ай бұрын

True. Always a mystery to me how Don Carter even got his ball to roll/hook. Weber always followed through out to the right and was always off balance. How did Mike Aulby ever get any lift with his little fingers. AND how did Earl Anthony throw likely the hardest hitting strike ball ever. He never turned, cranked or even lifted it. He just set it down.

two game head to head final match . . . . unique . . . why did they do this format for the first TOC final match?

Smoking.....everyone dressed to the nines......minimal graphics.......manual score keeping. The hay day of TV. Miss it.

@thestime

5 жыл бұрын

And no replays! I remember bowling being on every Saturday afternoon. Now you never know when its on. I miss it too!

@douglasharris5216

4 жыл бұрын

Joseph Gibbons well I don’t miss the smoking in the bowling center

"How does he do it, Chris? Everybody wonders how Hardwick does it." --Nelson Bo Jr.

Wow! I didn't realize "hit 'em thin and watch 'em spin" was in use as far back as 1965! And where's Fred Wolf?!?! Very upset he's not on.

I used to get a kick out of the AMF Automatic Sparemaker.....note at 39:19, how they want you to convert that spare....sure, with a mighty hook to the left it'll go, but what if you are a lefty like me? (I think that even on the modern AMF lanes, the conversion guides still assume that everybody's a righty with a hook to the left.)

@douglasharris5216

4 жыл бұрын

cd637299 the new AMF scorers you can select right or left hand for each bowler before the game. However how many bowlers truly use this service?

Recently Chris did a two hour interview with his dad for the Father's Day edition of his Nerdist Podcast.

Also, check out Weber having a between game smoke at 11:55 - guess it helps calm the nerves. I think he gave up the habit a few years later, though.

This tournament should be called "The Marlboro Tournament of Champions". Funny to see everyone smoke.

Lola Albright was not a time traveler. She played private eye Peter Gunn's girlfriend on tv. She was one of the most beautiful ladies on tv back then. RIP Lola.

Holy crap contact lenses existed in 1965? This is like a history lesson.

21:29 is this lady a time traveler? those glasses look straight from the 80s or 90s

My parents were married on this day! 4-10-65.RIP

@20alphabet

7 жыл бұрын

The fact that you posted this comment is evidence of your parents doing a good job at being parents.

classic bowling at its finest

HMPH!!!! I knew that Chris Schenkel sizzled but I didn't know he SMOKED!!!!!! 0:56.

My right ear had a grand ol' time!

I wanna know what Joe Joseph's middle name is.

When bowling was bowling, and not the two-handed chucking we're getting nowadays. Great find!

@Shawizzlegaming

4 жыл бұрын

Someones jealous they dont have the ability to throw it 2 handed

@1953nagarjuna

4 ай бұрын

I started bowling over four decades before I saw a two-hander on TV, but when I did finally see Osku and then Belmo, I was thrilled. There's nothing wrong with two-handed bowling. If I wasn't too old, I'd happily do it.

something i noticed watching the beginning two minutes. The 10th frame only had 2 different frames, well I mean if you get a strike, then another strike you would get a 30 that frame, because the second strike would be counted onto the first like it is a seperate frame. But if in one of the two frames in the 10th you get a spare, you bowl a third. I think this is pretty unique.

Was that "Mr. Hand" from Fast Times handing Mr. Joseph his check? Great bowling too.

@markmester679

4 жыл бұрын

Yes that was ray walston,aka my favorite martian.os buda

Did you catch Dick Weber smoking at the ball return?

Interesting that they're talking about the guy breaking the world record for shot put. This was right around the time that steroids started getting into everything (6 or 8 years before, they started trials on some college football teams, and by the mid 60s, were in use in the NFL - and probably in most strength sports). And few suspected anything over the next several decades as records fell by large margins.

If I heard right, this was the first ToC?

@mrbowling300

9 жыл бұрын

You are correct!

@paladin313

9 жыл бұрын

...and won by Billy. Chris, his son, joked once that he kept his room in his father's trophies.

@altfactor

8 жыл бұрын

And I think it was the only one telecast in black-and-white. I believe ABC's first colorcast of the "Pro Bowlers Tour" was the 1966 Firestone, with the full tour being broadcast in color starting in 1967.

So why is NINE and SIX written out rather than just be 9 and 6?

@gabeh7923

5 ай бұрын

It made it easier to load the film the right way. Otherwise, you could have loaded it upside down because 6 looks like an upside down 9.

Must have been before they started putting the "plastic gloss layer" on the pins. They look a little drab.

Commentators: Chris Schenkel & Billy Welu.

It was a completely different game then.

More like ¾-million bucks.

It pays nearly as much as in 2016

No sound.

@edhouse1951

9 жыл бұрын

Paul Bonney turn your volume up

Just learned KZread had unsubbed me from your channel.

Smoke!

Great video, thanks for sharing. 100k, in 1965 , wow. would be around 300k now days?

@20alphabet

7 жыл бұрын

More than that!

Back when people smoked on live TV. We was dumb in some ways.

Billy Welu kinda looks like Mike Wolf

Chris Schenkel is one of the best commentators in sports history and THE BEST in bowling history

Btw, $25,000. in 1965 could buy a very nice house in Southern California. Fifty years later it will maybe get you a good used car. Blame the Fed, the government, the PBA, and the USBC. They all have their place in the criminal lineup.

@shorelinebear

10 жыл бұрын

25K in 1965 is $184,887 today, You might pick up a house for that (not in SoCal).

@byroncadwallader9587

7 жыл бұрын

20alph

@20alphabet

7 жыл бұрын

In 1965 a 3 bdrm home w/2 baths in Southern California typically cost 15k-25k. That same house at the time of your response would bring between 300k-350k. Do whatever you want with the monetary gymnastics, THAT'S the difference in actual purchasing power.

Smoking during the telecast, only in the 60s

Anyone know Joe Joseph's middle name? It was Joseph!

3 bowlers🤨

kinda funny not getting to HEAR the pins

36:50 $12.50 a tire.

This is illegal! They are smoking on TV, like it such a bad thing to see today...SMH

WTF Weber got the girl. That's ok Bill got the cash.

Did not remember they smoked

@bufb

3 жыл бұрын

There used to be ashtrays by ball return

$25k was good money in '65 - knocking on the door of a quarter-million in today's money. More than makes up for the traveling expenses, I reckon.

@RiverRatGaming

5 жыл бұрын

There's a good article out there about how much these guys made back in the 60s. Insane amounts of money in Bowling in the 60s. www.pressherald.com/2015/03/29/they-may-not-be-prime-time-but-professional-bowlers-tour-bowlers-are-celebs/

Weird to see how much better bowlers have gotten in the last 50 years.

@stevenmiller7874

9 жыл бұрын

Equipment is better-bowlers are worse

@0515stan

9 жыл бұрын

Steven Miller That's right. Back then, bowling meant using hard rubber balls and wooden pins and alleys. Strikes were a lot harder to come by back then. A 300 game would mean far more than now, given the conditions in both eras. My opinion, of course.

@donnylutz404

9 жыл бұрын

Steven Miller Having bowled in the '50s and done pretty well, and having continued to watch all the bowling I can since, I would agree with the first half of your statement, but not the second. I was a Certified Bowling Instructor from 1959 into the '70s. In my opinion, today's bowlers are better. After all, they have all the knowledge and wisdom of their predecessors to work with!

They used whale oil on the lanes in those days.

Joe Joseph is like 98 years old here. Amazing.

@tonyvincent9753

Жыл бұрын

Joe looks like he just ate a pan of lasagna!

These were some pretty good bowlers in their day, but most people on this show are dead. It is now a new era for bowling.

@20alphabet

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the death throws.

@josephgibbons1631

7 жыл бұрын

Emil reactive resin balls and synthetic lane surfaces have made average bowlers much better today. The USBC needs to stop the tech growth and get back to bowler's fundamentals driving performance success.

@20alphabet

7 жыл бұрын

+Joseph Gibbons Actually, urethane and reactive resin balls haven't made the average bowler better, it's just allowed them to score higher without getting better.

@josephgibbons1631

7 жыл бұрын

20alphabet well said ....I agree....

Terrible hairpeice on that dude!!!!

Could buy 2 houses with $25,000. LOL. I guess I watched in the 1980s. It got pulled from TV here 20 years ago. I played 5 pin for 23 years. 3 times I did a 20 game marathon from 9 to noon next day. 10 pin balls made me limp weird.

Mr. Bowling 300, thank you so much for posting these old tournaments. I watched bowling in real time starting around 1973, so I only got to see Billy Hardwick's amazing come back in 1976, after 7 years in the wilderness following his children's horribly tragic sudden deaths, the end of his first marriage, and his struggles with arthritis. He's my favorite hall of famer. If there's any way you (or anyone) could post his triumph at the Monromatic tournament in Toledo OH 1976, I'd be grateful.