Ain't that a Shame, By Fats Domino

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Yeah buddy My tears fell like rain =)

@ernielaw

2 ай бұрын

Right song for this Packard

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

I thought the same exact thing

Never seen a 58 "Packardbaker" Hawk in person, always wanted to. Thanks for the video!

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

It’s a different looking car that definitely grows on you. Glad you dig this video.

The Golden Hawk was my Dad's dream machine. Miss ya Dad❤

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Awesome I miss my dad too

@tranquilitybase7860

Ай бұрын

My favorite to. The 1957 is the one i dream of.

The styling of the cars of the 50s are what made me a car nut as a kid. After that era passed car design had it's moments but was never the same for me. Love seeing you show the best of those years on your videos! Thanks!

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

The 30s and the 50s are my two favorite eras personally don’t get me wrong I love everything but those are my two favorite eras fenders and fins =) There is a bullet nose Studebaker in the pipeline not sure when we will get to it auburn speedster Monday =) The goal is is the cover as many cars as possible. I really want to cover at least one car from every manufacture and tell the story I know there are some car companies that are extinct. I would also love to do car companies by state. I’m pretty sure there’s either five or six car companies in Pennsylvania The state where I’m from.. all extinct.. I’m having a hard time coming up how I’m going to format it though if I did a series it would be 50 episodes long and I don’t really want it to be that long. I also don’t want it to be 10 years long either in duration. lol

The Packard Caribbean was such a beautiful 50s era automobile, my personal favourite being the rag top. I actually like the 3 tone paint job. Very unique, as was that fabulous high output V8.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

I’m a huge Caribbean fan that is a car that I totally want to show this year but I wanna find one in the Wild that we can show how the torsion bar suspension works. It sucks they didn’t make that many of them. There’s one for sale on Facebook marketplace it needs completely restored it’s like halfway there. It looks like it’s painted and everything they want $65,000 for it. Guy passed away but you have no idea what you’re getting into Claims to have all the parts but you didn’t take it apart so you have no idea.. I wish I was born earlier I would’ve totally bought that car when it was worth nothing

@bobdillaber1195

2 ай бұрын

I've always been a Caribbean fan! Loved the design, as well as the 3 tones.​@@What.its.like.

@vladtheimpala5532

2 ай бұрын

Jay Leno has one *(of course).* It’s a beautiful car. Also very well built and engineered.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

I believe he has two Packard Caribbean. He has a white one and a black one. I think he has a convertible and a hardtop one’s a 55 and one’s a 56.

@user-en9zo2ol4z

2 ай бұрын

@@What.its.like. I'm not exactly jealous, but I do wish I had one, I must admit. That is one classy car, even by todays standards, and the only things I would wish for, would be a refreshening of the safety equipment to modern day relevance.

I walk right past Tri-Fives at car shows to look at rarities like these.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Me too it’s weird I got into cars because of the 57 Chevy BUT they are so common and it seems everyone and there mom has one I like the usual cars that people may not have ever heard about So I’m right there with you Funny story I have a friend who has a 61 cross country rambler he parked next to a fuelie corvette stingray and everyone was around the rambler to the point the guy with the corvette said don’t park next to him Again lol

@kennethanway7979

2 ай бұрын

Same here! Ran across a bricklin last year at a local car show. I was about the only one that knew what it was. Guy let me and my girlfriend sit in it!

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

That’s so awesome. Those cars are definitely different. The doors are electric if I’m not mistaken.

@vladtheimpala5532

2 ай бұрын

I like the Tri Fives, especially the Nomads but there are lots of them at every car show and they’re way overpriced. *_(I suppose that technically they’re not overpriced if someone will pay that much for one but for me they are overpriced because I won’t pay that much for one.)_*

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

The nomads are an exception like don’t get me wrong I like everything.. mostly everything I’m not Mercedes-Benz fan. I think those things are overrated but if you’re in that then cool I’m not in the BMWs or Land Rover either. I think they’re endless money pits.. but that’s just me I totally agree I think 57 Chevys have become overpriced

Nice car,Jay! Packard had a sad ending.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Totally agree, what would James ward packard think of the ending of his company

Another excellent video! I graduated from South Bend Central High School in 1957 so knew everything about Studebaker! We all did in those days because the company was what greased the economic wheels of South Bend. I loved all the Hawks, great looks and designs. UNTIL... that 1958 Packard with that ill-designed, fish lips front end thing was grafted on for some never-to-be-known reason! I hated it then and hate it now! I always thought it absolutely ruined the looks of one of the most beautiful car designs ever! You did a nice job however in presenting the rest of the car. It was a beauty!

@tedecker3792

2 ай бұрын

Did Raymond Lowey live to see this abomination?

@davidpowell3347

2 ай бұрын

I can't believe that Raymond Loewy did that (altered it with the fishmouth to make it look like it's not a Stude)

@tedecker3792

2 ай бұрын

@@davidpowell3347 Raymond Lowey designed the beautiful studebaker hawk, then Duncan McRae desecrated it for Packard.

@tedlawrence4189

2 ай бұрын

Bobdillaber: Go Central Bears. LOL. Was in 9th and 10th grade at old Central High 1963-5. You are correct about how important Stude. was to S.B. The '58 Stude had little horns above tail lights. So do the regular Packards. Packard did not buy out Stude. just the opposite. 1956 was last real Packard. This '58 Packard Hawk may be unattractive but is both rare and valuable.

@bobdillaber1195

Ай бұрын

@@tedlawrence4189 Small world! Yeah, GO BEARS!

Hi Jay down in the basement in the comments, caught the Packard Hawk, and Pontiac videos late. Just want to give you a tidbit of info on the idea of the Packard Hawk taken from the book by Mark James on the history of the Golden hawk, that the president of Curtiss-Wright Roy Hurley instructed Duncan McRae in 1956 to build him a custom sports car based on the Golden Hawk, to be a Packard Hawk, which Duncan McRae took it that It was going to be a one off for Mr. Hurley's personal use , but Mr. Hurley ordered the Packard Hawk into production and 9 months later after the 588 was built was cancelled . Excellent video, this one has a lot of views already , this is going to be one of your top viewed ones. Take a 55 Present Speedster and 58 Packard Hawk

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

I don’t usually post during the weekend, but I had more free time on Saturday than I did on Sunday, so I figured the Packer episode was supposed to come out Friday, but it took forever for it to upload, thank you so much for all of that insight and information I really like how this one came out I’m working on an Auburn speedster 1935 for hopefully Monday. If not, Monday will definitely be Tuesday that is a really stellar car. .. Sweet choices

I currently own a 58 Lincoln Continental as well as a 58 Caddy Eldorado Seville and a 58 Cad Fleetwood Limo. Always wanted a 58 Packard Golden Hawk, but still own a 40 Packard Super Eight 148” Limo, a 41 Packard Henny Ambulence/hearst combo and a 52 Packard 200 Deluxe eight with Ultramatic as bd rear skirts. Last was bought new December 24, 1951 for Grandma

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Awesome sounds like you have a stellar collection curious, where are you located? Would you be interested in featuring any of those cars on the channel?

@billolsen4360

2 ай бұрын

So, you have a car just like the car that Cary Grant ended up riding to Glen Cove in to meet the malicious Mr. Van Damm in North By Northwest?

the studebaker powered golden hawks and packard hawks held all the speed records from 1956 well into the 60's. Faster than the vettes and t birds in the quarter, and 0 to 60 and 0 to 100 class.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Definitely they would walk a Thunderbird like it’s standing still Corvette, didn’t really have much of a chance either but none of the automotive journalist back in the day ever gave any of the independence the time of day And that I really want to do as I want to find a Rambler rebel and I want to race it against all of the competition that was said to be the fastest car of the 50s Goldenhawk was second

@3RTracing

2 ай бұрын

@@What.its.like. couple of version of the 327 rebel, one with a 4 barrel and there were even paxton supercharged version al be it very rare. But I do not think they out performed the Hawks

@seed_drill7135

2 ай бұрын

@@3RTracing The Rebel was faster than everything but a Fuel Injected Corvette in 1957, but with the end of Nash that was the end of the big V8 and later years were slower. And they didn't make Supercharged Rebels, they were going to offer a fuel injected version and built some mules, but never sold them as they realized what Chrysler didn't, that they didn't work properly.

@davidpowell3347

2 ай бұрын

@@3RTracing I think the Rebel was quicker at 0 - 60 than the Hawks or the Supercharged Thunderbird. But in that era I think the Chrysler 300 (was it "B" or "C" ?) had the highest top speed.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

It’s a race that I would really love to set up one day problem is is they only made 1500 Rambler rebels I don’t know of anybody that wants to race theirs. I don’t know of anybody that has one personally, I know where there are three but I don’t know The owners personally… Studebaker Golden Hawk is easier to find but even now those are getting harder to find everything is getting harder as time progresses

I am not a fan of the nose-cone front end, but this example is stunning. I especially like the gold wings on the fender lights, a charming vintage detail I hadn't noticed before. My dad and I were kicking tires one night when I was a little kid, and there was a dark metallic blue '65 Studebaker Gran Turismo Hawk on the lot that mesmerized me. One of the most beautiful cars I've ever seen and I would melt the numbers off my credit card in my haste to buy it today, just to relive that magical, unforgettable outing with my late, dearly missed father.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

I miss my dad too, it sucks not being able to ask for help or get truthful advice Thank you for sharing those memories

@joebarber4030

Ай бұрын

64 was the last year for the GT hawk

Saw one at a restaurant in 58, owner had just purchased the beauty. Body fitting was perfect, the pig skin seats and door-panels were over the top, never saw another.

A great episode, Jay. I really appreciate the fact that you did the comparison of the '58s.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

I’m glad you dig this episode. It’s been a long time since we’ve done a comparison so I figured it was overdue to do at least two.

currently doing a frame off restoration on a Packard Hawk!

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Awesome what colors are you doing yours in

@billolsen4360

2 ай бұрын

Did you buy it from a man in California?

@jgrohs

Ай бұрын

@@What.its.like. it was originally jewel beige. I'm restoring it as Shadowtone Red and Jewel Beige

@jgrohs

Ай бұрын

@@billolsen4360 Yes. though rather his estate.

Can still recall my Dad's reaction when we stopped in at a Studebaker/Packard dealership sometime in 1958: "Do they really think they can fool us into thinking that these are real Packards?"

The front end does look like a vacuum cleaner by some buyers.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Agreed

Thanks Jay !! Although I was around in 1958, I don't think the Packard Hawk made it up to Québec where I lived, because that's a new one for me (even though I saw enough Studebaker Hawks to made the Golden Hawk my childhood's favourite car.) Damn that is one ugly front end on the Packard. It looks like a Pixar character rejected from 'Cars'. I will admit that I prefer the slopping rear deck lid of the Packard, but the Studebakers raised corrugated-look section of the boot looks much better in chrome than painted the car colour as in your example. I'm glad my primary memory of Packard is the Carriberan. It was a most beautiful American car. The Packard Hawk, not so much.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

I love the Packard Caribbean especially the 56 it’s definitely a car that I really want to cover this year. I really want to cover Goldenhawk too. I would really love to drive both of those cars I’m not huge on driving cars because one of insurance reasons you can have two cars that are identical and every single way, but they won’t drive the same because everything wears out differently so my experience might be different than your experience. Thank you so much for sharing that childhood memory 57 Goldenhawk is one of my favorite cars of all time it might be one of the top three that I would love to own one day. I can’t think of the other two off the top of my head right now I really like 59 Rambler cross-country wagon. That’s a really cool car , I’ve never seen the ambassador version in person that I would really love the feature. I did feature a 59 cross country wagon and I was drooling over the whole time and I told the guy I said if you ever decide to sell this, please let me be the first That you call but it’s already spoken for his daughter really likes it so he’ll probably keep it in the family which I don’t fault him for

The 1964 Grand Turismo Hawk R2 would be the car to have.

@jgrohs

Ай бұрын

63 GT Hawk R2 4-speed ain't bad either. have both

The '57 Golden Hawk is my favorite in your lineups. When I was a very young kid in the early 60's I would occasionally see the Golden Hawks in my hometown of Brownsburg, just west of Speedway, IN. My thrill as a young boy was a trip to the Speedway race track with my dad to enjoy the huge antique car show there every summer. I can remember seeing more Golden Hawks in the parking areas (they weren't yet "classics" at that time, but regular cars folks were still driving, of course). The GH was a fave of mine but, alas, my dad was driving (I kid you not) a light green Renault Dauphine! It didn't last long before he replaced it with a Chevy II Nova wagon. 😄

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Sweet choice =) thank you so much for sharing those memories with us

And some period correct rock'n'roll in the background. Amazing!

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

That was on the radio in the background at the museum

No question on which I’d choose. I really miss my white 1958 Cadillac Series 62. Mine was the four door hardtop. Loved the signal seeking AM radio.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Awesome choice =) It’s never too late go find another one

Hi Jay. I just love the finned Studebaker Hawks, and the weird face on the Packard version doesn't trouble me. I'm not surprised that the front is fibreglass - so are the fins. Studebaker did a bit of that, rather than cop the expense of changing the tooling for the next year's panels. The Packard V8 was indeed heavy, but the Stude V8 was no lightweight either. All V8 Studes are a bit nose heavy. The Stude V8 dated from 1951, and Studes to the last used variations on the 1953 chassis, so they were getting a bit dated in many respects, much as I love them. You pictured a Stude Hawk with a toilet seat on the trunk lid. I've never seen that, and have doubts as to how original it is. Right at the end of the video, after all those shots of beautiful Hawks, You slipped in the photo of that pink Lincoln!!!! That thing is soooooooo ugly!!!!!!! Cheers.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Great information I think the reason you never saw the toilet seat is because it was only on the 58 Goldenhawk. There wasn’t that many differences between the 57 and 58 but that was one of them also, the front actually has grills in the two side grills, where, as the 57 is more open, I think I’d like the 57 better the 57 isn’t nearly as rare as the 58 they didn’t make that many Studebaker golden Hawks and 58 and it led to the discontinuation of the golden Hawk, they would still produce the silver hawk or the pillared one until 61 I believe but they’re not supercharged I really want to cover a hawk this year. I really wanted to cover a hawk last year but I’ve been holding out. I want to find one that I can drive. That car looks absolutely amazing. It’s a car that I really want to own. I was going to add in the video , it’s like one of my top three cars of all time but that’s a 57 especially 50s cars. It probably ranks in the top two… I was just having a conversation similar to this with my wife and I told her she’s never seen a golden hawk in person I don’t she’s never seen a car that she is absolutely loved. She doesn’t go to any of these car events with me, but this year I’d love to take her to a few , I would love for her to see a Goldenhawk in person she’ll be like no that’s my car lol

@davidpowell3347

Ай бұрын

@@What.its.like. I think lack of aftercooling/intercooling on such as the supercharged Hawks and T birds held down the potential power gains and/or caused detonation problems (I don't think it was possible to aftercool because of using a carburetor) I think a "RedEye" or "Hellcat" use fuel injection and thus can and do run after/intercooling behind their superchargers making their supercharging much more effective

@joebarber4030

Ай бұрын

Only the fins on the 56 Golden Hawk were fiberglass. All other hawks with were steal.

It's an absolute shame how such a grand marque as Packard came to such a dismal demise. WYR: 1. Gran Turismo, by a mile! 2. Gonna go with that crazy Lincoln.

@61rampy65

2 ай бұрын

I'd take the Lincoln too, but I don't have a spare football field to park it in!

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Hahaha that Lincoln is long

The Packard Hawk was the best looking of all the Hawk lineup. I’ve got a 58 silver hawk and I love it but the packard’s front end was absolutely awesome looking and way ahead of it’s time

The designers must have thought that everyone would hang their arm on top of the door and didn't want the sweat and body oils eating up the paint.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I guess that could be the case but it’s a hard vinyl it’s not a soft material

The Packard Hawk was the ultimate version of the Studebaker 1953 "K" body. There were 558 of them built. It's believed that about 150 still exist.

The Packard Hardtop is not a bad-looking car. Two things I'd change. 1) The outer bulges/flares for the dual headlamps should extend much farther down the flanks until they gracefully blend into the side molding. 2) The double-layer rear fins are a good idea, but I think they could have been more subtly done, a bit closer to the '57 Dodge. Maybe they could have been linked to the headlight bulges. Otherwise the car has pretty advanced styling for its time.

Hi Jay! Packard Hawk! Rare beast! That is one of those fifties cars that is kind of so ugly, you just have to love it! I think if they had moved that round emblem up on the hood and also repositioned the PACKARD lettering back more toward the hood line they could have used a TALLER grille and alleviated the "catfish" look a little. Looking at the two door hardtop you show, the front looks lest catfishy on those because they are taller, I would have DITCHED the goofy "bird bath" on the deck lid, it just spoils the lines. The rest of the car is NICE and very PLUSH! I kind of dig the "external arm rests" on the outside. Would be nice and comfy on a hot day with the windows down! And they provided for the rear seat passengers, too! It's very sad that such a GREAT American automobile make had to go out the way they did! I just have to agree with you that the supercharged 289 Stude engine is SO underrated! It was just as important engine as the Fuelie 283's/327's that Chevy made. I thought you were going to make it too hard for me on the WYR's but you gave me a little out with the second one and I appreciate it! The first one is still REALLY hard! LOVE the '57 GH so much! But I also am a HUGE fan of the GT Hawk as well, so I'm going there with the R-2! In the second one in the showdown of ugly cars, I have to give it to the Packard Hawk, would MUCH rather have that than either of the other two. If you ever get to South Bend to the Stude National Museum, the had the Packard Predictor there. PRETTY interesing! Might have been the future for Packard, but we all have to remember that 1958 was a recession year and the Predictor had it come to production probably would have went the way of the Edsel (a very similar looking car). One last thing. I LOVE that they put the Packard Hexagon in the center of the hup caps for that final year! A REALLY classy touch!

It truly astounds me how few aluminium blocks, even the big 3 ever used back in the day, or even now.

"Jet-age" grille styling looks a bit odd now but was probably good for the time. "Dagmar" bullets up front were all the rage then. Definitely elegant with semi-restrained styling elsewhere and unique points like the textured rear fin panels and the door-top covering. Lots of brightwork but not over-done remembering this is the era of big chrome everywhere. And nobody could complain about the performance. Given the styling and rarity this car would gather crowds at a vintage car show. WYR I like the 64 Gran Turismo, seems ti be something "Italian" about it's styling, but staying in the 50's era I like the 56 Golden Hawk. Round 2 goes to the Caddy. But in either case, this Packard gets an honorary win for being such an elegant and unapologizing way to close out the history of Packard. It's really a beautiful car.

Jay, some of those pictures you showed looked like Dodge or Plymouth cars especially with the fins 👍

@davidpowell3347

2 ай бұрын

I believe a stylist who worked for Chrysler during the 1950s was sort of a disciple of the great Raymond Loewy who did some work for Studebaker.

@davidpowell3347

2 ай бұрын

Did the 4 door sedan (with the B pillars) versions of the big tailfin Dodges and Plymouths fare better as to not having water leaks,wind leaks and noises as compared to the B pillarless two door and B pillar lacking models?

As always great piece of history! Bless you young man for keeping dreams alive! Btw sh- boom..... great music

@davidelack8809

20 күн бұрын

I also own a 57 silverhawk parade car in process of making it pretty again

@What.its.like.

20 күн бұрын

Awesome David thank you so much. I’m so happy that you dig this channel question. Where are you located? I would love to feature 857 Silverhawk personally, I would love to do all of the Hawks power hawk, Skyhawk Silverhawk, golden hawk, Gran Turismo hawk… =)

Always wanted one

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

I really want a golden hawk. I really wanna drive one. That’s why I’ve kind of been putting it off on doing an episode on one because it’s a car that I really want to drive.

Looks like a Studebaker

Ive only seen one packard hawk in the wild parked in a closed down gas station parking lot in kenosha wisconsin ! I had to stop and check it out ! It was all original and unrestored was in good shape ! All others were in museums ! 👍👍

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Awesome thank you so much for sharing the location of that Packard with us. I’ve never seen one in the wild only in museums.

@richardbailey202

2 ай бұрын

There were 550 or so built, about 150 are said to still exist.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Wow that’s not a very good survival rate

@seed_drill7135

2 ай бұрын

I saw one cruising up the road from my grandparents house in Meadows of Dan, VA. It helps to be right off the Parkway. (Actually I know someone who has two, but I don't think they're running and I've never seen them).

I think the Packard Hawk is the closest "Studebaker/Packard" got to remaking a Lark look like the original 1953 Studebaker Starliner Coupe. (without the Mercedes Benz inspired front grille treatment.) The nose of the Packard Hawk reflects the original Packard radiator shape.

As always very great videos. Thank you!! P.S. It would have been nice to offer an Imperial as one of the choices in the "would you rather" segment. 😊

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Most definitely, I should’ve added the imperial or maybe even the Chrysler 300.. Happy you dig this video and channel. It really means a lot to me. Great write in choices =) Today is a two for day hopefully 1929 Pontiac coming later regular time hopefully it’s took forever for that Packard episode to upload

There is a wonderful line in a Frank Zappa album from the 60s. 'we can crash, in my Nash' i guess they didn't have any Studebakers, Although they did sing about the Studebaker Hawk.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Haha nice I think that line refers to Nash fold down seats because all the seats folded into a bed in a Nash

WYR: 1951 Olds 88, 1951 Hudson. Great backstory on Exner and Loewy. Thanks as always for the education. ~ Chuck. P.S. Sorry I missed the premiere and live.

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Awesome choices =) it’s all good weather is getting nicer it was beautiful here the last few days and green with all the leaves coming back I can’t believe Lowry had the nevre to take sole credit when it wasn’t solely him doing the work he seems like a jerk

@charlesdalton985

Ай бұрын

@@What.its.like. Oh no, my comment posted in the wrong video (it started playing mid comment). I feel like an idiot 🤪

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

It’s all good it happens all the time I was wondering if it was on my end.. =) 1932 Essex today

Jay ,I had a 57 silver hawk the front directional lamps were the same EXCEPT for those AWESOME golden wings . they are beautiful WYR I've always loved the GT hawk since the 62 new roof style love packards thanks jay

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Great choices I want to own a 57 golden hawk one day I would settle for a Silverhawk. Those are really cool as well pillared coupe =)

GORGEOUS GORGEOUS GORGEOUS … Looks even better then the advertising

It’s like this,you’re riding along of the highway and suddenly your vehicle breaks down,now here comes this fellow call GM,he buys your car from you,he drops you off at your house,but he’s got your car now,he takes it and spends money to repair your car gives it a complete makeover,now you don’t have transportation anymore because GM has it,Remember you couldn’t afford to fix it because don’t have the funds, and GM goes down the road and see another gentleman’s car broke down,and does the same thing again and again until he buys out everyone.🙂

Nice version of your sign off Jay, best yet!

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Thank you =)

So glad S-P didn't put quad headlights on the 58 Hawks! Not a fan of the 14" rims & hubcaps for 58 only. My pick would be 57 GH. Excellent video!

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Great choices thank you so much for digging this episode =)

Danbury Mint issued two Packard Hawk 1:24 diecast models, one blue and one red. They also made two versions of the Stud Hawk, one in gold and the other in white. eBay usually has some for sale.

wyr 1957 Golden hawk wyr Caddy I remember how heavy the hood was on the Golden Hawk it was like a guillotine and when I saw the 289 engine I thought why do they have a Ford motor in this Studebaker. 1958 was a year of interesting front grilles the Packard catfish and the Edsel horse collar. Thx Jay congratulations on having over 40 000 subscribers and I am one of them.

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Thank you so much for subscribing and sticking with this channel it’s come a long way in the 2 years doing this channel will turn 3 in September of this year. I’m very passionate about classic cars always have been and happy to have a platform and opportunity to showcase cars that don’t get talked about, and show these cars like they’ve never been seen =) Great choices

It has to be the shape... I've never seen one on person, and always thought it was a small car. It really isn't. I mean, it's not Buick huge, but it's no Rambler either. The design is ok, although I think I prefer the hardtop more. As for comparison with the Studebaker, I much more prefer the Packard. I AM a fan of the "catfish" snout. Much more sporty, imho. The interior does seem a bit cramped, but then again, it could be the way it's shaped. It is a shame Packard didn't survive. They offered some beautiful cars! They could have been America's Rolls, but alas, even they're owned by BMW now too. Great review, J! Thanx! WYR: 1) '58 Packard 2) Oh, c'mon... by now you know... LOL... Lincoln! 🙂And a Premier 2 door too! WOOF!

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Awesome choices =) did you see how huge the Cadillac and the Lincoln looked in comparison it was insane there wasn’t anything the same size as the Packard hawk except for the Studebaker hawk but even they’re pretty big cars 206 inches long is pretty long

@draggonsgate

Ай бұрын

@@What.its.like. I can't speak as to the Caddy, but I drove a '59 Lincoln... HUGE... It should come with one of those airport guys that wave 747's into the gate as standard equipment! i was very surprised at the walk around, I was sure they were the size of a Rambler American... again, must be they styling and shape.

The 1958 Packard Hawk is at the Gilmore Car Museum in Hickory Corners, Michigan.

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Yes this one is that one

The first one of these I'd seen was in the mid-80's at a Motel on I80. I knew what Packard was but I'd never seen anything like this before. I recognized it as a Studebaker Hawk, but that front end, that was something else. To me it looks like a vacuum cleaner attachment or maybe the mouth of a sturgeon fish. The 2nd one of these I saw was at a local Packard meet held at the Fashion Island shopping center in Newport Beach, CA. They were originally priced way too high. With their odd front end styling and Studebaker roots, it's no wonder they sold so few. I'd go for the Caddy or the '64 Studebaker with the R2 engine. I'd much rather have a '64 Avanti.

Had a buddy who owned one of these, it was kind of bizarre looking compared to the Studebaker versions, but very well built. He sold it in 1991 to a man in North Carolina, This could Greg's old car with a repainted exterior since the interior colors match but the original exterior was brown & tan. Greg also had a 72 CSi. WYR 1 64 Hawk GT 2. 58 LIncoln

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Sweet choices

The death of Packard started with the birth of the clipper line. You don't survive as a high line car by selling a car for the masses. As for 1958, being the end of Packard, that sad event came in 1956. A Studabaker is a Packard like a VW is a Cadillac. My uncle has a 1956 Carabeain. I was lucky enough to get a ride in that car. It was the raer hardtop, white roof, red body with black rockers. My uncle wouldn't drive a clipper if they were free. Nor would he drive that

I have an airport car, a 2001 Subaru Outback LL Bean. It is a beat up but only 114,000 mile station wagon, but it is very very reliable. And it goes from 0-60 in 8.5 seconds and the quarter mile goes by in 16.0 seconds at 85 mph. Just like that supercharged V8 Packard Hawk...

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Hahaha yeah most modern cars will beat just about everything back then anything faster than 10 seconds was considered quick in the 50s the fastest car to accelerate in the 50s available to the public to purchase was the Rambler rebel it would do 0 to 60 seven seconds golden hawk is second some people will say the Golden Hawk is faster than the Rambler rebel. It’s only down to a 10th of second Between those two that is an absolute bucket listing for me is the compare those two cars and run them see which one goes the fastest… but that is a really tall order. They only made 1500 Rambler rebels they were only made 1957. I don’t wanna drive them in the race I just wanna film it. Lol

@Flies2FLL

2 ай бұрын

@@What.its.like. Yes that is so true. Everyone thinks '50's and '60's cars were so fast but the reality is that the fastest personal cars ever built are built today. I went to the Studebaker Museum in SouthBend and they have the last Packard concept car, the Packard Predictor which is amazing! The roll up roof was a non-starter, but the rest of the car was ready for the 1960's and would have probably done well if the creditors hadn't pulled the plug on car manufacturing. Today, Studebaker-Packard is owned by Federal-Mogul corporation. There is a group in China that wants to sell scooters in the United States under the Studebaker name, but it hasn't gone anywhere in the past 10 years.

@chrisbrown3925

2 ай бұрын

It is said, that an 11 second quarter mile in a bug, and an 11 second quarter mile in a camaro are 2 different experiences...

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Haha 😂 11 second-quarter mile in a Volkswagen beetle would feel absolutely insane because you’re in a smaller object it would probably feel equivalent to you strapping a rocket to yourself maybe not quite that extreme I laughed so hard because I remembered this check this out. It’s hilarious. It’s almost unreal. that Datsun is fast kzread.info/dash/bejne/aGyTuquGfazdp84.htmlfeature=shared

@davidpowell3347

Ай бұрын

@@chrisbrown3925 Did a factory Bug with the 1200 engine take any less than 20 seconds to run 0 - 60 mph ?

I was all about the Packard until you mentioned the Hawk GT. I think that was the prettiest iteration of that car. Scenario 2: I’m a big ass Lincoln fan, always. But the Packard Hawk looks so European chic, which is an anomaly for the 50’s. Plus I have a Packard and love it, lol

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Awesome choices =) What year packard do you have? And body style automatic or stick

All of the hawks are low production and especially the 58 and last year for the Golden Hawk with only around 850 total and about 750 For the US market. That hardtop body line ran from 53 thru 58 and again from 62-64 but with the roof changed but same car. Also you could get a stick shift instead of the automatic in both the Golden Hawk or the Packard Hawk. All sheet metal swaps between all years and only the nose and hood is hard to find.

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Great information thank you so much golden hawk 57-58 is one of my all time favorite cars and top 3 50s cars

This car looks gorgeous in white. I had only seen the Packard Hawk that was at Dick's Classic Garage in San Marcos Texas and I think that one was purple or maybe dark blue. I don't know what happened to the cars in that collection but Dick had some unique ones. I love Studebaker Hawks but I'd take the 1958 Packard Hawk in both scenarios.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

I totally agree. This car looks great in white. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it any other color in person. Thank you so much fir sharing those memories

My favorite car of the fifties. I'd take it over any of the other choices and any other vehicle of the decade, even the Corvettes and Kaiser Darrens. It may be an acquired taste, but I acquired it in 1958! Andy

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Awesome Andy =)

Great video as always!

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Thank you happy you dig this episode

@gregdelagrange8573

2 ай бұрын

@@What.its.like. You're welcome!

There was a "Packard-Baker" that was often parked on my paper route when I was a kid. It was the only example of a Packardbaker I ever saw in the wild. I believe it was blue and white. That would have been in 1965 or 1966.

Great video and history of the Studebaker Hawks vs the Packard Hawk. I’ll take the ‘64 GT Hawk with the R2

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Sweet choice happy you dig this video =)

Yeah definitely not the Packard I would choose in a line-up of them, but at-least it's distinctive, can't take that away from it that's for sure. For the poll first would be the 64 GT R2, the GT is my favorite iteration but I like them all really, Studebaker was extremely underrated in the styling department, one of the best for the era. Funny the 56 Golden Hawk has more Packard in it than the actual Packard Hawk with Packard's 352 V-8, though apparently this caused handling issues as it was too heavy for the Studebaker and made it incredibly nose heavy. 57 they changed it to the Studebaker 289 with the McCulloch supercharger, made the same 275 hp with a much lighter engine and improved the handling characteristics considerably. Second choice, I pride myself as an independent man but would have to go with Caddie can't deny that it's a gorgeous car.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

That last category was really weird because those cars are too totally different cars. They’re behemoth, especially the Lincoln the Lincoln’s almost as long as city block not really, but it is a rather big car… and those two cars cost more than the Packard.. i’m with you this is not my favorite Packard by any means I think my favorite Packard of all time is a 1934 LeBaron body roadster I really like those not sure how many they made but I’ll probably never own one but who knows pre-market keeps going down.. those might be affordable one day Market is all over the place. I’ve been looking at airflow prices and Hudson hornet prices. Frankly I like Hudson hornets I can’t believe those aren’t worth more money they’re drastically underrated for what they are… I believe one day the independence stuff is going to catch on. I just think that it needs to be brought into the light so to speak because a lot of those cars people don’t even know exist… Awesome choices =)

I would take the Packard all day long !! Love it !!!!

@What.its.like.

4 күн бұрын

Sweet choice =)

Hi Jay, Another great video, and one that is dear to my heart. But before getting into all of that, I have to say the Gilmore museum is not just a place to definitely see if you are in the area. It should be a must see destination for any car enthusiast. It is awesome. I spent two days there enjoying their amazing displays. Should Packard have merged with Peerless, and Pierce Arrow, to stay alive during the great depression? I am not sure if that would have helped. I think make the necessary cost reductions on expensive, relatively low volume cars, instead of continuing to design and manufacture three separate makes they would have had to badge engineer the three Ps. Packard had no choice but to come up with a cheaper, higher volume car or they would have died along with many independents due to the long financial crisis. Packard was on the right track introducing a mid-priced car to improve volume, but they should have made it an entirely separate make, with no mention of Packard. That way they could improve their bottom line without cheapening the brand. What they did was part of the reason they failed eventually, but without it, it would have happened twenty years earlier. I say part of the reason because there were other factors. Coming out of the war years Packard cars were nothing like their prewar models. I read in a book on Packard that they moved their tooling outside and covered them up with a tarp to prepare for war production. After four long years in the elements they were ruined. The cars they built in the late forties were bulbous, stodgy, and uninspiring. They looked nothing like the high quality luxury automobiles from before. Although they finally got this corrected by the mid-fifties, it was too little too late. Another big blow to Packard was Chrysler’s purchase of Packard’s body manufacture, Brigs. This forced them to build their own bodies in a smaller, inadequate plant, resulting in horrible quality control issues, destroying whatever premium make image Packard still had. It was so sloppy some cars were actually shipped without essential components as starters and generators, according to a book on Packard. The time to merge was when the market was still hot and the big four independents were still financially sound in 1948. Yes I think all four independents should have merged to give them a strong product mix. It would have required putting big egos aside. It could have worked. What could have been, we will never know. But the rushed merger of failing companies was doomed to fail. In retrospect, they should have brought along Willis too, seeing how Jeep is the only make still surviving. I read books one from the perspective of each company, on what caused Packard- Studebaker to fail. Packard said Studebaker was in much worse financial shape then they let on, but the Studebaker book said the same about Packard, which had a much lower volume. You can’t merge two companies in dire straits and expect it to succeed. It was decided by the company brought to manage Packard- Studebaker, in hoping for a last minute Hail Mary to save the business by making all the cars in South Bend. Of course the Packard were just rebadged Studebakers. In 1957 they tacked on enough Packard trim and styling cues to make them appear sort of Packard-esq. However in 1958 they did not even try. The cars were a total abomination. As sad end to a great make. WYR 1. 1956 Studebaker Hawk. , Honorable mention 1964 GT. WYR 2 None of the above. 1958 was a terrible year for car design. GM even messed up Chevy. The Packard Hawk was an ugly, no make that hideous, and no effort abomination. As hard as it is to believe the Lincoln was worse, it just was not a final offence to Packard loyalists. I don’t care for the Cadillac either but if forced to pick I guess that would be it.

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Sweet choices. Thank you so much for sharing all of that information and insight. I personally love the 115 C from 1937 to car that I really want to own one day. I love the six cylinder packards they are more usable in my opinion from 37-41 and said to get decent gas mileage as well I love how you started your comment like the intro =) really put a smile on my face And I totally agree with you about the Gilmore. It’s definitely a car enthusiast destination…

Packard and Caddy. But you picked dull colors on the hawks because the hawks are incredible looking cars!

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

They didn’t make a bad color combination in the hawk series.. I really like the black-and-white, two-tone cars personally that’s why I picked that I like the teal ones and the red like I said they didn’t make a bad color combo

Packard bought Studebaker, Studebaker used the money to pay debt instead of development. It left them in an awkward spot, my uncle said it was like giving a sinking ship another anchor.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

that’s a good way of putting it Plus, dropping both anchors and paying somebody else to blow a hole in the side of it

@rogerrussell9544

2 ай бұрын

@@What.its.like. He brought up another important reason why the marriage didn't work. Studebaker had cute cars, with the imperative that 'weight is the enemy'. Packard were square formal cars that didn't hesitate to add on more pounds. The combination would leave any engineers confused on what to do next. It's no wonder some left to work for Lincoln, which explains why the 56-57 Lincolns looked like they stole styling cues from Packard.

My Avanti should be back June 15 ! 😊

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

So stoked can’t wait =)

Put some curb feeler whiskers on it, then it's a full blown catfish.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Haha I agree

I find it amusing that the Packard, a supposed luxury car, has power front windows, but manual back windows.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Yeah they liked doing that

@billolsen4360

2 ай бұрын

That was also a quirk of the 1967 Eldorado unless you ordered the rear pw option. Strange.

A Studebaker by any other name, although this is an interesting car. I like that front grille, and that textured area on the sides of the fins. And the padded dash is nice. Still, I can’t quite get past the realization this is an upscale Studebaker. For WYR, I would probably go with the ‘64 Gran Turismo….probably because my father once drove a ‘62 and it looked a lot like this one….and (believe it or not) the ‘58 Hawk because it looks a lot more fun to drive than the Lincoln or the Cadillac.

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

I should’ve elaborated the pad on the outside isn’t a soft material. It’s a hard vinyl material it isn’t soft I didn’t get in this car there was too many people in the museum and I didn’t want to give the impression that everybody was allowed to do what I was doing. I had permission there was a guy sitting right off camera who was watching everything I was doing… I did feel the seats and they were so plush

A very rare car indeed. l do enjoy that you a used an image of the 1/24 scale 1956 Packard (@ 4.11) made by Danbury Collectibles. l have this model in my collection. lt looks so real, if one looks at it quickly one is convinced it is the real car.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Great information thank you so much for sharing it sometimes you really have to look at those pictures because the models can look as good if not better than the real cars

Wow Lots of Information and quite Frankly Confusing,But you did a fantastic job with a lot of Information that was similar with these cars.Turismo I think because cleaner and less busy looking .Caddy all the way!

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

I wanted to give a brief history of Packard the company without going too much into the weeds and giving too much information I want to try to start getting these into like mini documentary series Great choices

Any of these running pure stock drags? Seen a few fast Larks...

The Packard Hawk had about the upholstered pad outside of the driver's window so that one could lower the window and hang their elbow out in 50's driving fashion and not have to rest on sheet metal. I cannot remember if it was leather or vinyl, but a strange call either way.

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

The crazy thing is on this car. It wasn’t leather it was more like a hard vinyl almost like a hard plastic material. I’m not sure it would be comfortable to put your arm on it because it would’ve it was textured it was just different. I touched it to see what kind of material it was, it was hard not soft

@HAL9000-su1mz

Ай бұрын

@@What.its.like. I examined one in about 1970 and it was soft, like foam covered with vinyl. Strange even then. I thought it was the most hideous nose job I'd ever seen. A Packard stylized version of the Studebaker Hawk grille would have been far more appropriate. Almost like the car was being euthanized. Doubly strange since Packard had not had a sporty car in the post-war lineup.

The Cadillac and R2 Hawk. The one to have would be a Daytona or Lark with the R2.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Sweet choices =)

64 Grant Tourismo Hawk, one of my all time favorites for reasons I don't even understand. RS just akes it more better 58 Caddy, less weirdest one...

As a teenager, my dad gave me a 64 gt, loved it till a drunk driver took it away.

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Oh wow

Great vid!!!!!!!

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

=)

To me the Packard Hawk looks more sporty and way better than the Studebaker hawk. They should have used the Packard tail lights. The Packard Hawk in wyr The dash in the 2 Dr hard top

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Sweet choices

Minor point....Concave describes a shape that curves inwards, like the inside of a bowl. Convex describes a shape that curves outwards, like a football

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Thank you so much for that correction I knew I said it wrong and I forgot to edit that out I’m dyslexic so I get a lot of things backwards all the time a lot of times I’ll fix it when I proof the episode but I forgot to do that

The 58 packard hawk should have been serious competition with the 58 Thunderbird I think it might have been if they made it with a convertible top. Back then convertibles were scomonous with sport cars

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Yeah that would’ve been another great contender.. the only issue is is those cars cost way more than the Packard. It was kind of in a gray area as far as the luxury car market went at just under $4000.

@goldenboy5500

Ай бұрын

@@What.its.like. true but the thunderbird wasn't considered a personal luxury car till the 61 bullet bird before then it would be the mustang of the day

1964 Stude 1958 Cadillac

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Sweet choices =)

Winton Engine - did they eventually specialize in making marine and submarine engines? Seems that GM bought them out just as GM contemplated getting into the railroading/locomotive business and eventually reengineered a Winton design to create the EMD 567 famous locomotive engine. (EMD might have been another locomotive related business that GM bought out) might have previously been known as EMC "Electromotive"

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Definitely sounds like we need to do an engine episode on Winton engines

@P_RO_

Ай бұрын

Not sure about the ships, but you've got the RR history right.

Surprised you didn’t mention when talking about Pierce Arrow that Studebaker bought the company in 1928 and in 33 had to sale Pierce Arrow because of the depression

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Yeah should have mentioned that Thank you so much for sharing that

58Cadillac,,,,,,,,it's my FAVORITE Caddy!

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Awesome =)

How about (I think there was a version of the Studebaker Lark powered by a 289 engine) was it the Lark Daytona ?

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Yes studebaker was doing performance versions as a last stitch effort to try the right sinking ship. It was a great plan, but it didn’t work.

Fabulous.

All Packard Hawks came with the Fugly package as standard equipment. Blame it on Roy Hurley of Curtiss Wright whose company lent SP money and he thought a Packard sports car was needed. Stylist Duncan McRae followed the bosses order and did this one quickly and quirky. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but I don’t see it in either of my eyes. WYR Pt I: toss up between the ‘56 GH and the ‘64 GTH with the R2 engine. And Pt II: Cadillac, the standard of the world. Please let me know when you’ll deliver these cars so I can open the garage doors!

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Hahaha yeah I’ll get right on that Great choices. Thank you so much for sharing all the insight and information greatly appreciate it.

@davidpowell3347

Ай бұрын

Was it Roy Hurley who gave the order to shut down the Packard Engine factory? Did he still see Packard as a rival competitor within the Military Industrial Complex vs. his Curtiss Wright ? Were the cancellations of Packard's PT boat and jet engine contracts "an inside job" ? Did someone think they would sell the main Packard East Grand Boulevard plant for a huge profit but instead it turned into a long lasting white elephant that slowly crumbled almost to this very day? Did it finally get torn down completely?

@drakbar5957

Ай бұрын

Hurley was attracted to SP for its under utilized production facilities and govt defense contracts. With no bank interested in lending money to SP, Curtiss Wright was their best hope of survival and infused new capital into the company. Hurley insisted all automobile production be consolidated in South Bend to save money, while operations in other states were used for govt contracted orders. He wasn’t a proponent of getting out of the car business - that happened years after Curtiss Wright ended their management agreement with SP. And to his credit, Roy Hurley secured US distribution rights for Mercedes Benz, which added revenue for dealers and SP. Bottom line: CW bought time that prolonged the inevitable.

Can’t help but wonder, were they trying to compete with the Thunderbird?

At 8:46 I'm looking at the Studebaker and a citroën in the background, hubs are?(How bizarre) Voice to text even more bizarre!

From comments I've read on a Studebaker site, the weight of the 289 with the supercharger equipment was actually greater than that of the Packard engine. I could be mis-remembering. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

I’ll have to look into that.. that would be a really interesting episode to do one day get a 57 Goldenhawk and put it up against the 56 Studebaker, Golden Hawk, and see which one is actually better.. I have tons of ideas for comparison episodes, but the problem is it’s the cars that I want to compare the easiest cars to find in general let alone together.. lol

@davidpowell3347

Ай бұрын

@@What.its.like. Most people who actually have preserved or restored antique cars fear to "race" them or run them hard for fear of destroying engine blocks or parts that are now irreplaceable I believe. About the only thing that can be done is to look up period magazine articles and acceleration tests. I suspect that the Studebaker with the true Packard engine was superior.

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Yeah, there’s that too, I have a friend, a really good friend of mine. He is just putting the final pieces together on his 54 Hudson hornet 7X race car, which will definitely be featured on the channel later this year I want to see if it’s possible to rent or go to a race track and see if I can find a couple more cars that will just drive around with him, not race just drive around I think that would be absolutely epic. He’s got his all painted up.. it’s a bucket list thing this year. It probably won’t be featured until sometime this summer.

It is very sharp looking automobile! They all look great imo, I think I like the Gran Turismo best! In the second I'd pick the Caddy!😎 Video

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Awesome choices. Happy you dig this video. =) A friend of the channel just bought an R2 Avanti I can’t wait to do it even though we’ve already covered an Avanti on here it’s been years the format has changed

I didn't know Packard offered a wagon in '58. I'd always thought 1950 was the last year that Packard offered a wagon, although Studebaker did resume wagon production starting in 1954. That was one year after the '53 restyling. Although I had seen a number of pictures of the Packard Hawk, this is the first time I've seen a rear view of that car. That Hawk came with a toilet seat style imitation spare as car books referred to it on other brands. I'm wondering if those taillights are the same as what Studebaker uses. My picks here would be the 1964 Studebaker Gran Turismo Hawk & 1958 Packard Hawk.

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Sweet choices I’m not a fan of the bird bath toilet seat on these cars personally, but that’s just me the 58 has the commode seat. The 57 golden hawk doesn’t have that

@joebarber4030

Ай бұрын

Yes you could get a 58 Packard wagon and if you like it could also come with the supercharged engine

@davidpowell3347

Ай бұрын

Weren't the real Packards up until 1950 or so available as "station wagons" "flower cars" hearses and funeral limosines ? Extra long wheelbase? Ambulance ?

@What.its.like.

Ай бұрын

Henney made them until 54 I believe they would’ve made them longer than 54, but they went bankrupt

It's a Packard/Baker!

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Yep

58 was the only year for the winged marker lights and they sat lower than the 57 and 59 because they had 14” wheels

@What.its.like.

19 күн бұрын

Great information

Packard without a doubt. Speaking of doubt, I doubt I’ll ever be faced with that choice in real life.

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Never know life has weird twists and turns

@vladtheimpala5532

Ай бұрын

@@What.its.like. That’s true.

this is and was a very very cool car.

1956 Golden Hawk (with the Packard V8), 1958 Packard

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

Sweet choices

The local John Deere dealer took on Studebaker in 1954 and added Packard in 1955. He had a nervous breakdown and dropped both lines in 1956. So, not many examples of either brand around this area. I really like the looks of the Studebaker Hawk, but that Packard Hawk is just plain ugly. IMHO

I wish Chrysler got Packard. Packard and Imperial.

I thought that the GAZ Chaika might have been the last Packard but the Internet says it ain't so (rumored that the final Packard tooling was sold to the Soviet Union?) also the Chaika V8 seems to have had less power than the Packard V8s

@What.its.like.

2 ай бұрын

It’s possible I’m not that versed in foreign cars especially not ones from Russia/Soviet Union