#18th

The author talks about safety & authenticity in powder horns, he also covers powder flasks. If you use a powder horn, or are thinking of making or purchasing one, you should watch this video.

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  • @35southkiwi16
    @35southkiwi165 жыл бұрын

    Good info. Thanks. We were debating whether you are Australian when the Kookaburra gave it away :-)

  • @dustydean56
    @dustydean562 жыл бұрын

    This is the best information I've seen on powder horns, thank you !

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    2 жыл бұрын

    Much appreciated Dean, thank you. Regards, Keith.

  • @bikesandbushcraft9725
    @bikesandbushcraft97259 жыл бұрын

    Keith, Thank you for the detailed explanation of what to look for and the safety concerns. I am actually in the market for a horn and feel more confident as far as the things I need to watch out for and think about when making my decision. Have a great day and thanks for taking time to share your world with the rest of us.

  • @skoolzone
    @skoolzone7 ай бұрын

    Love the kookaburra in the background right on cue. right around four minutes 10 seconds

  • @markgoostree6334
    @markgoostree63343 жыл бұрын

    I've seen a few of your videos. Always good information and well delivered. Thank you for helping us navigate this black powder trail safely... and have fun getting there at the same time!

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good to hear from you Mark, & very much appreciated. Regards, Keith.

  • @fepatton
    @fepatton9 жыл бұрын

    Timely advice. I'm working on my first powder horn, and saw this just prior to installing the plug this morning. Rather than gluing (recommended by the book I was reading), I sealed it with beeswax and secured it with a few pins. Thanks!

  • @tomritter493
    @tomritter49310 жыл бұрын

    as always keith great vid and extra sharp info on powder horns I always wondered about that ignition factor on flintlocks

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    10 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Tom. Keith.

  • @paultroiani255
    @paultroiani2557 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate this information. I am about to put the plug in my first horn and will be doing it the proper way now that I know how. Too many people here (United States) use glue or even epoxy to secure parts to a horn. I had always wondered about the safety of that, and now I am certain that it is wrong. I have a nice block of bees wax ready for action this evening. This first build of mine is a simple pistol horn. Thanks for possibly saving my life.

  • @MTwoodsrunner
    @MTwoodsrunner9 жыл бұрын

    i watched the video posted to your blog and i'm glad i did. i'll be checking the butt plugs in my powder horns...thanks!...woods

  • @ciscodepr
    @ciscodepr9 ай бұрын

    Not gonna lie, i was expecting a something different but you sir opened my eye's to a whole new level on the safety aspects. I was thinking oh this is not what I am looking for but something said just wait keep listening it just may be informative and by golly best information I've seen on powder horn safety thus far. Thank you sir for the information.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    9 ай бұрын

    I am glad it was of some use to you, & many thanks for taking the time to comment, much appreciated. Regards, Keith.

  • @kbennett3274
    @kbennett32745 жыл бұрын

    Interesting video... well done.

  • @RockDodger
    @RockDodger10 жыл бұрын

    Good day Keith.. Great vid.. Have a few traditionalist friends who ill share this with.. Thank you for these vids..

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    10 жыл бұрын

    Thanks mate, & you are most welcome. My best to all the family. Regards, Keith. woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/the-gunpowder-wallet-short-video.html

  • @1HotBeefJerky
    @1HotBeefJerky10 жыл бұрын

    Good stuff Keith. I will remember. Me and my stepson just made a little horn and you guessed it. We put pretty little brass tacks all the way around it.

  • @opalprestonshirley1700
    @opalprestonshirley170010 жыл бұрын

    Well I certainly didn't know that about the powder horns. Thanks.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    10 жыл бұрын

    Hi Opal. I cop a lot of flack over my safety comments on powder horns, because a lot of modern horn makers do glue the but plug in place. They hate to admit I am right, because that would make them liable if someone got injured. But I am not the only one who spreads the word on safety, so hopefully these blokes will wake up to themselves & stop gluing the powder horns!!! Keith.

  • @Peter-od7op
    @Peter-od7op2 жыл бұрын

    Ty so much i am building a flint lock kilber kit Had no idea one horn would work for both

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the comment Peter, much appreciated. Regards, Keith.

  • @robaldridge6505
    @robaldridge65057 жыл бұрын

    another good safety video ;-)

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Rob, obliged. Regards, Keith.

  • @deadhorse1391
    @deadhorse13919 жыл бұрын

    So a glued in plug will turn a horn into a bomb because the plug won't come out but a flask with soldered seams if exploded the soldered seams will come apart ? You do realizes a soldered seam is probably a stronger joint? Flasks were made in sections and soldered together because that was the easiest way to make them, same reason tin cups were made in sections and soldered together. I collect powder horns, have 150 or so and but plugs were always pinned in. Older ones used wood pins then metal ones. I don't think exploding powder horns is much of a problem

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    9 жыл бұрын

    Well Deadhorse, it is the nature of the beast. I am not talking authenticity here, I am talking safety. You have to ask yourself, what have I got to lose by NOT gluing a base plug. As you say, the plugs on originals were secured by pins, & this is the way it should be done. As for soldered joints on powder flasks, they are these days lightly soldered so they will blow apart easily. They are not to be compared to anything else that is soldered for strength. I don't hear to much of powder horns blowing up these days, but I used to. I think the word is spreading & people are taking more care. Regards, Keith. For your interest Deadhorse, here is more info: woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/a-powder-horn-safety-test-in-belgium.html woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/more-info-on-making-powder-horns.html

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    9 жыл бұрын

    ***** You have it in one Chris. Regards, Keith.

  • @MaskedVengeanceTV
    @MaskedVengeanceTV5 ай бұрын

    Thank you for the very informative video! Something i never considered buy definitely will now! What's your opinion on the brass reproduction powder horn/tubes they sell? Those can't be any safer then a badly made powderhorn?

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    5 ай бұрын

    Good day MV, good to hear from you. The only brass tipped powder horns I have seen have had a powder measure tip, & you must NEVER load a gun directly from a powder flask or powder horn. I don't consider a brass valve horn tip to be spark proof, so yes, you are right, no safer than a badly made horn. Stay safe & take care out there MV. Regards, Keith.

  • @hawkenrifles7985
    @hawkenrifles798510 жыл бұрын

    Un video muy interesante e ilustrativo sobre cómo eran los cuernos para pólvora negra en el siglo XVIII. Muy bueno para todos los amantes de la Historia y de las armas de avancarga. Saludos y muchas gracias por el video.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    10 жыл бұрын

    Gracias mi amigo. Glad you liked it. Regards, Keith.

  • @hawkenrifles7985

    @hawkenrifles7985

    10 жыл бұрын

    Gracias a usted por videos tan históricos e interesantes para los amantes del pasado.

  • @richardmiller6798
    @richardmiller67987 жыл бұрын

    Very good info Mr Burgess. I am a horn maker and have always used wood glue to secure my plugs. Not any more, I will use bees wax from now on. One question though. Would it be ok to melt some brewers pitch into the inside of the horn around the plug...?? I take great pride in making air tight horns.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    7 жыл бұрын

    Very good to hear from you Richard. I have never used brewers pitch Richard so I would not like to say whether it would be okay or not. But beeswax I have used & it works well. I used to be a hornsmith myself. Regards, Keith.

  • @WiltshireMan
    @WiltshireMan10 жыл бұрын

    Sound advice keith. I have never used a powder horn but instead I do have experience of using a powder flask with a built in measure. I used to tip the flask up and fill the measure with a thumb over the spout. Then pour the powder down the muzzle of the gun. I was always careful to make sure there were no smouldering embers from the previous shot by placing my hand over the muzzle to stop oxygen entering. I don't know how effective this was, but I never had a flask explode. Thinking about it pouring direct into the muzzle was perhaps not safest practice but it is what I did. Never had any accidents with the muzzle loader apart from singed eyebrows. Sandy

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    10 жыл бұрын

    You are correct Sandy, not a good practice. You were very lucky. Always use a separate powder measure. Good to hear from you Sandy. Take care, Keith.

  • @louisemissouri4410

    @louisemissouri4410

    10 жыл бұрын

    Sandy, do you still use the gun?

  • @WiltshireMan

    @WiltshireMan

    10 жыл бұрын

    Louise Padin Hi Louise, I no longer have the muzzle loader but I still have a modern breech loading shotgun and 2 small bore rifles. These days I don't shoot much. I think I am getting soft as I get older as I like to see the animals run free. I will occasionally take a rabbit for the pot. Sandy

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    10 жыл бұрын

    Wiltshire Man I am the same Sandy, apart from feral dogs & cats, I do not hunt unless I need meat for the table. I would far sooner see the wildlife about my forest. Keith.

  • @loknlode
    @loknlode7 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate the safety aspect of your video as well as mitigating the potential damage caused by what is essentially a bomb by not sealing up your horn with the use of glue or epoxy. I have been around black powder since I was a small child (my uncle was on the U.S. Olympic Muzzleloading Team), attended Rendezvous since I was able to walk, etc. But I'm perplexed by its ability to simply ignite and blow up your horn. One such condition that comes to mind would be charging your rifle or pistol directly from the horn itself, and having a spark or lingering ember set off your powder. However, that in and of itself is a safety "violation" and should never be done, which is why it's encouraged to use a separate measuring device. Or having your horn around open fire or flame, another no-no. Aside from these obvious safety issues, how else does a horn simply "blow up"? Excellent video by the way.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    7 жыл бұрын

    Leaving the plug out of the spout when shooting, A spark from a flintlock can ignite the powder. Over time the spout plug can build up an ingrained layer of powdered gunpowder by being replaced whilst there is still some gunpowder in the spout. This has been known to act as a fuse, again being ignited by a stray spark from the pan of a flintlock. Regardless of the likelihood of these accidents happening, I see no point in taking the risk when it is so easy to make a horn in the correct safe manner. More information on my blog here Steven: woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/more-info-on-making-powder-horns.html woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/a-powder-horn-safety-test-in-belgium.html Regards, Keith.

  • @loknlode

    @loknlode

    7 жыл бұрын

    Makes perfect sense. I also agree that there is no need to take an unnecessary risk especially when it comes to the "not so obvious" dangers we can be unknowingly presented with. Thanks for the reply!

  • @SLG1911
    @SLG19115 жыл бұрын

    Great info as always, thank you. Is there a source for commercially made horns that you know to be correctly made? It seems that most of them are glued and have lots of pins. Some just don't specify at all. Thanks again.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    5 жыл бұрын

    No sorry mate, I can't think of any that I can recommend. I can only suggest that you inquire first before purchase, or make your own. Commercial ones are often glued or not sealed at all. Keith. My Blog: woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com/2018/12/making-powder-horn_31.html

  • @spicyage5548

    @spicyage5548

    4 жыл бұрын

    I found someone on Ebay named "deadmice" selling horns sealed with beeswax

  • @ericnelson8886
    @ericnelson88864 жыл бұрын

    I have a powder horn from the year 1682. I know it's that old because the year is carved into the bottom of it and is pretty damn authentic. Nothing fancy, but good craftsmanship for somthing from so long ago. Coolest thing is it still holds a faint smell of the gunpowder it once held. Just out of curiosity, do you have any idea what it could be worth? Or possibly point me in a direction as to where I should look

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    4 жыл бұрын

    Half your luck Eric, I would love to own a period powder horn, but I can not justify the cost. If your horn is genuine & not a copy, I think going by your description it could be worth anywhere from $250-750. Try looking at prices here: www.ambroseantiques.com/hornsflasks.htm www.rubylane.com/antiques?cat=Antiques&q=powder%20horn m.skinnerinc.com/search?s=Powder+horn Good to hear from you Eric. Regards, Keith.

  • @ericnelson8886

    @ericnelson8886

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@historicaltrekking thanks Keith, I appreciate the reply👍

  • @jongranger4824
    @jongranger48249 ай бұрын

    Nice one -

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    9 ай бұрын

    Thank you Jon, appreciated. Regards, Keith.

  • @stevejones7200
    @stevejones72008 жыл бұрын

    Very good, most educational and very helpful. I've only made one powder horn. It was a learning curve in itself, really enjoyed working with horn , a beautiful medium, though a tad unforgiving if I over cut when scrimmaging the design. But one learns. I am thinking of making a drinking flask, kinda like a horn barrel , with the "plug equidistant from each end. Would beeswax be ok to seal both ends? Or would the alcohol cause the wax to corrode or flake? What would be a food safe alternative? and is there a recommended book on the subject? I have the book of buck-skinning vol 1-6, but can't find much about drinking flasks. Thanks for another great vid. Keep em coming!

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Steve Jones Good day to you Steve. I have never made a rumlet, but if I did I would seal the wooden plugs & the joints between wood & horn with beeswax. I have no idea how beeswax will react to spirits Steve, but I really can't think of anything else one could use. Perhaps it would be a good idea to place a little piece of beeswax in a glass of rum & see what effect it has, if any. Then drink the rum of course, waste not want not. Regards, Keith.

  • @robaldridge6505

    @robaldridge6505

    7 жыл бұрын

    alcohol won't melt wax, it takes heat to melt it, it will not flavor your alcohol either, 'brewers pitch' CAN give a nasty taste, rather like GIN.... YUCK.. LOL ... use bees wax you'll be OK

  • @stevejones7200

    @stevejones7200

    7 жыл бұрын

    Many thanks Rob, most appreciated.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    7 жыл бұрын

    As Rob said, I think you will be pretty right with beeswax Steve. Regards, Keith.

  • @yakamarezlife
    @yakamarezlife3 жыл бұрын

    Hey Keith I've got a question for u im getting a cap and ball 50 caliber and I'm wondering what do I use to measure the powder?

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    3 жыл бұрын

    First you will need something with which to measure the volume Tony, I have a calibrated brass powder measure. I used this to work up a load for my gun & rifle. Once a load was decided on (optimum load), I made a powder measure from the tip of a cow horn. You can use any natural material to make a powder measure, horn, bone, wood. Actually my powder measure for my fusil is metal & wood. woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com/search?q=gunpowder+loads woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com/search?q=powder+measure Adjustable Gunpowder Measure: www.amazon.com/Blackpowder-Products-Adjustable-Powder-Measure/dp/B00162JL0Q Keith.

  • @edmazzeo1985
    @edmazzeo1985Ай бұрын

    keith, are you still making videos ? hope you are well.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    Ай бұрын

    Good day Ed. Unfortunately I am no longer able to make any more videos. Regards, Keith.

  • @edmazzeo1985

    @edmazzeo1985

    Ай бұрын

    @@historicaltrekking thank you keith for your reply.. godspeed.

  • @Chris-SS
    @Chris-SS4 жыл бұрын

    I watched a video a few days ago where a guy made a horn using wood pins and beeswax, put powder in the horn and a fuse in the spout, it blew the horn to pieces. Maybe more trials are needed.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Chris, do you remember the name of the video or the channel? Regards, Keith.

  • @Chris-SS

    @Chris-SS

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi Keith, I am trying to find it, I will let you know. Thanks for all your videos by the way.

  • @Chris-SS

    @Chris-SS

    4 жыл бұрын

    Powder Horn Experiment on KZread, it's well worth watching.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Chris-SS Thanks Chris. Keith.

  • @jameshoffman931
    @jameshoffman9318 жыл бұрын

    Hi im new to the muzzleloader world. Does anyone have any suggestions on where i can buy a powder horn with the end cap installed the way Keith suggest, other then building one myself?? Thank you.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    8 жыл бұрын

    +James Hoffman If you are in America James, you will find some horn makers names on my blog here: woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/more-info-on-making-powder-horns.html Regards, Keith.

  • @jameshoffman931

    @jameshoffman931

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Keith H. Burgess thank you Keith

  • @c.e.jarvis1512
    @c.e.jarvis15126 жыл бұрын

    I have a question...On average how many shots can you get from a 1lb. horn full when used as you do; both for the loading and tray/priming? Thanks for the video Keith.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    6 жыл бұрын

    C.E. I have no idea. I don't count my shots. I did work it out on paper one time, how many 60 grain loads go into one pound. No idea where that info is now & no chance of this aged head of working it out again! Regards, Keith.

  • @c.e.jarvis1512

    @c.e.jarvis1512

    6 жыл бұрын

    OK, Thanks for your reply anyway. Have a great day.

  • @brandonchandleranzalone2412

    @brandonchandleranzalone2412

    6 жыл бұрын

    C.E. Jarvis there is 7000 grains of in one pound of powder. Divide your average charge by 7000 and u will know how many shots

  • @c.e.jarvis1512

    @c.e.jarvis1512

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks alot !!

  • @wiseguysoutdoors2954
    @wiseguysoutdoors29543 жыл бұрын

    I also use beeswax as a coating to scrimshaw through. Then the India ink only takes in my scribing.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good one WGO, thank you for sharing. Regards, Keith.

  • @wiseguysoutdoors2954

    @wiseguysoutdoors2954

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@historicaltrekking very welcome, Sir.

  • @carls.6746
    @carls.67466 жыл бұрын

    How many pins would you recommend?

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    6 жыл бұрын

    No more than 6 Asura & no less than 3 evenly spaced. 4 would be a good number on an average sized horn. Wood or metal pins. Keith.

  • @TheSilverBinder
    @TheSilverBinder10 жыл бұрын

    How do you dye your horns? I'm in the process of building my first horn, Yes - four brass pins and beeswax!

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    10 жыл бұрын

    I do not dye my horns, I don't know anyone who does. But white horns usually have a darker colour beneath the service, so if you are cutting/filing a pattern or producing a ring for attaching a strap, this process will usually discover the darker colour under the white surface. Is this of any help Silver? Keith.

  • @TheSilverBinder

    @TheSilverBinder

    10 жыл бұрын

    A couple of the horns I have do have black markings but this one I am adding engravings. Just carved the second band tonight. Looking good. I don't care for my butt plug will probably remove some for more accuracy. I forged an iron staple for the butt and it looks really good. I was asking about staining to add the scrimshaw and maybe a bit of age. I am going to use india ink rubbed into the cuts. Then deer hide and hemp for the straps.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    10 жыл бұрын

    ***** I better understand now, scrimshaw work. Yes I used ink on mine & I think I rubbed it with beeswax to waterproof it. Keith.

  • @TheSilverBinder

    @TheSilverBinder

    10 жыл бұрын

    I considered beeswax especially when I re-polish.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    10 жыл бұрын

    ***** The original way to finish a horn, was to rub it down with damp sheep fleece & wood ashes. When I was hornsmithing, I finished all my pieces this way. Then rubbed them down with vegetable oil. But if you have scrimshaw work, better to use beeswax. Keith.

  • @larsonfam3861
    @larsonfam38617 жыл бұрын

    I literally just glued a plug into a horn.... but even if I hadnt, I would ask about the fact that horn is pretty fragile as it is after being emptied and dried out, I would guess that even wax and a few staples are secure to hold enough pressure to rupture the horn regardless, I can't help but think this is a superstitious wives tale stemming from an antiglue crowd, just being totally honest, I am fairly acquainted with physics, and I don't have any doubts that the fine line between lightly secured to blow off the cap and over secured to rupture the horn is much closer to a tiny bit of wax compared to enough wax to blow it up, nevermind with staples... Either way, be safe people, don't put fire on your powder receptacles, a can with a spout doesn't have wax or staples.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    7 жыл бұрын

    First of all you have to understand the strength in the shape of the horn. Secondly you need to be aware that powder horns have exploded & it is not an old wive's tale. The stopper on a powder horn can become ingrained with gunpowder, & this can act as a fuse should a spark land on it. This is to say nothing of forgetting to plug the spout after use. You are NOT supposed to use staples, they were never used for this purpose. You should only use wooden or metal pins, & not too many of them. The beeswax acts as a seal, NOT a fixative. If you wish to ignore this warning then of course this is your right. More information here should you be interested: woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/a-powder-horn-safety-test-in-belgium.html woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/more-info-on-making-powder-horns.html Keith.

  • @okiescout9497

    @okiescout9497

    5 жыл бұрын

    While I have no demolition experience, I do know from watching Army demolitions soldiers that the burst is very fickle. Even placement is critical. I agree with Larsan Fam 100%. Any resistance at all whether wax or even several small pins would result in an explosion. I do agree with his other remarks however. This worry over gluing etc just does not stand up to how explosives work. If the black powder were sparked or heated, in my opinion, you would have a bomb regardless.

  • @oldeays5085
    @oldeays50852 жыл бұрын

    Soldering is alot stronger than glue. Lol! And brass and copper that's soldered is stronger than horn even if glue is used. Right? And a compressed plug that has beeswax sealing it. Will still create enough pressure to be force. As a simple paste glue would. Right? So, I believe as long as it's a soft horn that's the powder is in. Its safe even if glue is used. Like I said, soldered brass and copper we have been using for years.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    2 жыл бұрын

    No wrong Randy, glued base plugs will usually not blow out, the horn is more likely to split first. In some cases the shards of horn have been imbedded in the shooter. Soldered powder flasks are designed to break on the soldered joint directing the blast away from the shooter. You maybe prepared to risk your own safety in regards to bad powder horn construction Randy, but just make sure no one else's safety is at risk. woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com/2014/04/a-powder-horn-safety-test-in-belgium.html woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com/2018/12/making-powder-horn_31.html woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com/2014/07/more-info-on-making-powder-horns.html Keith.

  • @yakamarezlife
    @yakamarezlife5 жыл бұрын

    Keith can I use any horn for a powder horn

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    4 жыл бұрын

    Providing you can make it so it is safe to use Tony, yes. A goat horn would not be historically correct in some places, but if you are not worried about authenticity, then it does not matter. Cow horns are best. Bull horns are not suitable. Keith.

  • @yakamarezlife

    @yakamarezlife

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@historicaltrekking well I've come into some elk and was wondering if I could use that im sure I could make a few horns out of one

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@yakamarezlife Good day Tony, good to hear from you again. Not sure how you would go, as Elk antler is solid, not hollow like a cattle horn. I have seen powder flasks made out of antler though. Obviously will not hold as much powder as a cattle horn, but should make a nice powder flask. Regards, Keith.

  • @568843daw
    @568843daw9 ай бұрын

    Wait a minute. If a person uses modern smokeless powder, which is not an explosive,it expands in a different way and at a different speed than standard black powder. black powder is an explosive and ignites easily. Smokeless powder is far more stable. If a powder horn is full of Black Powder and it explodes, mitigating the explosion with a cap that blows outward will do little to save the person who possesses the horn. A rapid disassembly of the containment vessel is the outcome and depending on how much powder remains in the horn will determine whether the person lives or dies.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    9 ай бұрын

    We do the best we can with a difficult problem Daw, a pressure release base plug is the best we can do. Brass & copper flasks have soldered seams to help the container come apart. Depending on how much gunpowder is in the powder horn/flask, yes a person can still get injured but hopefully not as much as if a glued base plug was used. There were believe it or not glass powder horns, which were a far more dangerous option!!! Regards, Keith. Powder Horn Safety Test in Belgium woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com/2014/04/a-powder-horn-safety-test-in-belgium.html

  • @568843daw

    @568843daw

    9 ай бұрын

    @@historicaltrekking Hello, thank you for the video. Your point is well taken. However, It seems to me that explosion or any detonation when using an animal horn containment vessel, with a wood plug, would be nearly impossible. Here is what I am thinking; for Black Powder to explode the vessel would have to create static electricity. The keratin horn does not produce it. Your idea of using wax is a great idea, but won’t it melt during a hot summer hunt? That isn’t good. Have you ever used pine pitch? It is non conductive and certainly would surrender to extreme pressure.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    9 ай бұрын

    @@568843daw Static electricity is not the problem, it is a stray spark from a flintlock that can explode a horn. People have been known to forget to plug the spout again after use, also gunpowder/Black Powder residue builds up on the spout plug forming a kind of fuse. I always swing my powder horn to my back after loading to stop this from happening. I have never had beeswax around the base plug melt in extreme hot weather to date Daw. Pine pitch is used as a glue, & is not suitable for sealing a base plug. Keith. MORE INFO HERE: woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com/2014/07/more-info-on-making-powder-horns.html

  • @568843daw

    @568843daw

    9 ай бұрын

    @@historicaltrekking thank you for your informative response.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    9 ай бұрын

    @@568843daw My pleasure, thank you for taking an interest. I enjoyed the contact. Regards, Keith.

  • @TheBerre74
    @TheBerre7410 жыл бұрын

    Hi Keith, very good point. We did a test last year about this issue, with a powderhorn I made (beeswax and nails) and about 400gr of powder to prove the necessity of having the non-glued horns. The result is clear, the plug was expelled and the horn is undamaged. greets Bernard (Belgian 1460 reenactor) kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zp2tsqqxqJTZqbw.html

  • @TheBerre74

    @TheBerre74

    10 жыл бұрын

    sorry mistyped, it was 200gr of blackpowder

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    10 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Bernard, much obliged. I will certainly check out the video, thank's for the link. Regards, Keith.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    10 жыл бұрын

    TheBerre74 No worries Bernard, but thank you. I have posted your video with mine here on my blog: Take a look. Keith. woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/a-powder-horn-safety-test-in-belgium.html

  • @historicaltrekking
    @historicaltrekking10 жыл бұрын

  • @garrettpeloquin6850
    @garrettpeloquin68503 жыл бұрын

    1. You shouldn’t ever be pouring powder from the horn straight down the barrel and that’s really the only way that a ember could get into the horn. 2. 6 metal tacks around a the baseplate is way stronger than glue so that logic just doesn’t make sense 3. The baseplate needs to be as tight as possible because if it allows moisture in it will ruin all of the powder inside.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    3 жыл бұрын

    Sorry Garrett but you are wrong. A spark can get into the powder horn via the spout, plug in or out. No, modern adhesives are far stronger than tacks or pins. Tacks & pins are easily torn from the wood base plug. You can either make a waterproof fit of the base plug, or you can seal it with beeswax. If powder dust escapes from the base plug a spark can explode the horn. woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com/2014/07/more-info-on-making-powder-horns.html Keith.

  • @NoBSSurvival
    @NoBSSurvival10 жыл бұрын

    Davy, Davy Crockett King of the wild frontier

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    10 жыл бұрын

    One of my childhood heroes! I still have the 78 record & my wind up record player to play it on :) Keith.

  • @NoBSSurvival

    @NoBSSurvival

    10 жыл бұрын

    Yep he was awesome. I love those old Disney movies, watching one now. What record?

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    10 жыл бұрын

    NoBSSurvival Aha, made a long time before you were born young fella. Keith.

  • @historicaltrekking
    @historicaltrekking10 жыл бұрын

    woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/a-powder-horn-safety-test-in-belgium.html

  • @pepejuan2924
    @pepejuan29245 жыл бұрын

    If the horn ignites your not going to be safe either way. Sounds like your splitting hairs.

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    5 жыл бұрын

    Obviously you have never worn a powder horn Michelle, otherwise you would not make a comment like that. The difference is between the base plug blowing out behind you, or the horn exploding into your side. Keith.

  • @yakamarezlife
    @yakamarezlife5 жыл бұрын

    Keith can I use any horn for a powder horn

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    5 жыл бұрын

    I see no reason why you should not use any animal horn for a powder horn, though a cow horn is the best choice in regards to the quantity it holds, & the ease of making a base plug to fit. Bull horns tend to have less of a cavity & more solid horn, so cow horn is still the best. An abattoir is a good place to pick up cow horns. Regards, Keith.

  • @yakamarezlife

    @yakamarezlife

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@historicaltrekking Keith im in cow country hell i kill deer now on a farm I'll ask for horns can u show me how to make one

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@yakamarezlife I would have to make a video in order to do that Tony, & I don't have the time right now or for a while in the future. I will see what I can come up with to help you Tony & get back to you. Can you email me at: historicaltrekker@gmail.com Regards, Keith.

  • @yakamarezlife

    @yakamarezlife

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@historicaltrekking ok will do I have a werid email it's my gamer tag it's reaperdeathkiller@gmail.com

  • @historicaltrekking

    @historicaltrekking

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@yakamarezlife Great email address, that will make people think twice before sending you spam!!! :) I took more photos yesterday but had to recharge the camera battery overnight Tony, so I wrote this article for you first thing this morning. I hope it helps. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me. woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com/2018/12/making-powder-horn_31.html Regards, Keith.