I think the most remarkable thing about these 100+ year old guns is that none of them are completely obsolete. newer guns are of course more practical and efficient, but they still use all the same things that made the originals memorable

@AshleyPomeroy

2 жыл бұрын

You could say that the human body is just as squishy as it was in the late 1800s.

@harlanhansell5280

2 жыл бұрын

@@AshleyPomeroy 🤣

@robertdevito5001

2 жыл бұрын

@@AshleyPomeroy probably more so, unless we're wearing armor.

@allangibson2408

2 жыл бұрын

These are obsolete when ammunition for them becomes unavailable. Lack of ammunition turns a gun into a door stop. Ammunition is far harder to make than most people realise.

@DDDSSDDDSSDDDSS

Жыл бұрын

You can't make a circle more circular..

It's a handsome pistol, despite the problems it must have had.

@johngagnon1365

2 жыл бұрын

10/10 would f@ck that pistol

@fargoth391

2 жыл бұрын

@@johngagnon1365 lmao wtf

@beksanchez5214

2 жыл бұрын

@@johngagnon1365 YEA SAME HERE MATE

@robertleonhardt2548

2 жыл бұрын

@@fargoth391 pppppppppppppppppppl

So this is what people on the internet mean when they say "Fap?" First automatic pistol

@toolthoughts

7 жыл бұрын

ha! that's pretty clever

@Menaceblue3

7 жыл бұрын

yeah...sure...

@Khorne_of_the_Hill

5 жыл бұрын

We can only assume

@Hunter-nw8vx

4 жыл бұрын

Stop fapping around and watch more Forgotten Weapons vids.

@RealGrayKnight

4 жыл бұрын

There’s a lot of cycling though

I have severe sleeping issues due to stress. I've used to take sleeping pills but stopped because they dulled my senses. Later I found this channel. This was my cure, not because it bores me, but because Ian's mellow voice and calm self relaxes me. Seeing someone so absorbed in sharing their knowledge in such a humble and simple way relaxes me. A cup of tea, a FW video and off to sleep. Praise Gun Jesus.

@ossusmaximus226

7 жыл бұрын

Cristóbal Enríquez This is also true for me! For me as person of Art I'm always enlightened and relaxed knowing there are people who really love what they are doing

@cristobalenriquez2466

7 жыл бұрын

OSSUS Maximus precisely, I do art too, maybe it has something to do with it!

@murkypool6108

7 жыл бұрын

He's the new Bob Ross!

@swedenman100

7 жыл бұрын

I really thought i was alone on this. :)

@AnCap1776

7 жыл бұрын

Cristóbal Enríquez Search up a youtuber "RelaxingASMR" he has the best ASMR voice i have heard.

"Bloop." - Ian McCollum (2017)

Fascinating. Honestly this pistol seems totally usable even in today's combat situations if it wasn't for one thing: Why only 5 round clips?! This seems to be a common and questionable limit of pistols from this era. You would think competing revolvers would spur inventors to at least include 7 rounds in a mag/clip...

@gregoryfilin8040

5 жыл бұрын

Most European revolvers had 5. Americans had 6 shooters. So it just made sense as it was literally the only thing to compare it to. Plus, almost all rifles used 5 round stripper clips and had 5 round internal mags. So it made sense in that context.

@kylegreen378

2 жыл бұрын

You can reload faster.

@Likexner

7 ай бұрын

@@gregoryfilin8040 But since youre already making a revolutionary weapon, why not try to make it hold more bullets as well? Youre already in non-conventional territory. Also there were guns, if not pistols, that held much more even in the 1800s. Im sure an inventor would have been aware of at least some of them. Why would you just compare it to the common revolvers?

Now thats a tactile trigger reset!

6:37 New gadget: tactical chopsticks

@robgoodsight6216

5 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

So, too much grip strength and it might not cycle. Too little and the bolt might fly out and hit you in the eyeball. Nice.

@mortisCZ

7 жыл бұрын

It's called trigger discipline. :-D

@polygondwanaland8390

6 жыл бұрын

The Examined Life (of Gaming) "The gun exploded? Well, hold it tighter next time, pansy!"

@AdrenalineJunkieXL

6 жыл бұрын

As shady as half the games you review. Lol

@eojinkim5960

4 жыл бұрын

Let's get this out on tray

@pbgd3

4 жыл бұрын

Holy trigger slap Batman

This one looks amazing. Hard to believe it's so old.

The delayed blowback on this one is very neat, because it kept the gun simple. For the shooter it is always the matter of being used to the gun and to expect the force on the trigger to push against the finger. The shooter might even devolop a feeling of the right force to hold the trigger to get the gun working best. No gun for troops though, only as a personal weapon for an officer who can afford to purchase and field his own gun.

@Likexner

7 ай бұрын

"No gun for troops though, only as a personal weapon for an officer who can afford to purchase and field his own gun." Ive always wondered about that. Couldnt a simple soldier find a way? If my life depended on the gun i use (and my skills, obviously), i would try to do anything i could to get a good one. I would sell whatever possessions i have that arent essential or perhaps try to get a loan. If i knew i was going to war, id sell my furniture, my nice suit, my tools, even family heirloom like silverware or any kind of jewel i might have, just to get the gun that outclasses 90% of the other guns. If i die, none of that will serve me anyway.

@vornamenachname989

5 ай бұрын

​@@LikexnerGood point. I really don't understand why a lot of soldiers in WW1 didn't have a sidearm, especially not a good one. And I completely agree, I'd sell everything I have if it meant possibly surviving a battle that otherwise might kill me

@Victor-hg1lo

Ай бұрын

@@vornamenachname989A US general, I don’t remember who, wanted to equip every soldier with a sidearm. However, this never happened, too much conscripts for too little manufacturing capability. You would have to make 2 guns for each soldier plus supplying 2 types of ammo. It would become more difficult (but not impossible) for the 1910’s logistic system to do it. There’s also another thing that contributed to this. The outdated mentality of the napoleonics wars that was still present at that time. Following that mentality, pistols are status symbols more than actual weapons. Hope this helped a bit.😊

@vornamenachname989

Ай бұрын

@@Victor-hg1lo Interesting, makes a lot of sense. Thanks!

@Victor-hg1lo

Ай бұрын

@@vornamenachname989 no problems!

In theory, wouldn't the handgun have a tendency to bumpfire? The fired round forces your finger forward for a split second (which resets the trigger) but your brain isn't fast enough to react, so technically after the trigger has already been reset you are still pulling the trigger back (bumpfire)? That's kind of what I'm picturing here. Anywho, once again Ian you continue to impress with your knowledge of firearms!

What an interesting delay mechanism! Now that we've seen the first semi-auto pistol, we gotta see the first traditional semi-auto pistol with a slide.

@antoniofdez620

7 жыл бұрын

i think it was the browning 1900

@toolthoughts

7 жыл бұрын

I hope there is a M1900 video at some point. It's discussed surprisingly little for such a seminal pistol.

@Badpvppaladin

7 жыл бұрын

Ian has videos that cover the entire development, from the 1900 to the m1911

@antoniofdez620

7 жыл бұрын

There is also a good video about the development of the early semiatomatic pistols.

@toolthoughts

7 жыл бұрын

Badpvppaladin not talking about the Colt pistols, but the FN Browning M. 1899/1900

Fireplace guy must have the coolest firearm collection in the world. All videos at this location are incredible! Thank you, Ian.

@williestyle35

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. Though I am less sure *all* of these guns are owned by the fireplace collector. The owner of the home with this fireplace has done interviews with Ian...

yeah!!! I love this channel. learning so much about incredible firearms

My man! Ian the Gun Whisperer! Another gun I would probably never see if not for this guy’s dedication. So appreciated.

This would be cool to see in BF1 seeming that a lot of the guns in there were never used in combat during that time

@tlshortyshorty5810

9 ай бұрын

too old and too impractical even by WW1.

@Helperbot-2000

5 ай бұрын

@@tlshortyshorty5810 colibri:

Nevermind a new appreciation for Dormus, I'm getting a new appreciation for the red table collection... Is, is there a stable with unicorns out the back... ?

This channel,in my opinion,is what KZread is all about!

That thing is soo cool! Elegant and sexy. Austrians made some of the neatest unique firearms.

VERY cool! I have heard Ian reference this a few times but never expected one to turn up. LOVE the finger delayed blow back action!

Is that rod you put down the barrel just a chopstick?

@ForgottenWeapons

7 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@TheRogueWolf

7 жыл бұрын

A man in the southwestern US demonstrates the functionality of an Austrian handgun with a Chinese eating utensil. It's a weird and wonderful world we live in nowadays.

@Vaasref

7 жыл бұрын

Also know as "Asian disassembly tool"

Ergonomically and stylistically beautiful. I wish I knew more stuff about guns. I like old pistols, mainly. Thanks for the posting!

Wonderful videos Ian, thank you!

You need to keep in mind that that an earlier patent date does not mean that the item was the first one invented. There is a period of time (usually a year) in which a patent can be applied, and even more time until it is issued. Thus, it is quite possible that an invention that was made in March (for example) may have a patent implied for until November, while an invention completed in June could have its patent application made in September. Moreover, there can be months or even years of delay in the patent office between application and issuance of a patent while a patent examination is conducted -- one may sail through the process while another may not.

Probably someone pointed this out already but the "Karl Salvator" in the patent was Archduke Karl Salvator von Österreich-Toskana, a member of the House of Habsburg. So aside from their (involuntary) contribution to genetics, the House of Habsburg also sort of invented the self loading pistol ;)

it crazy to think that within 100 years we went from that to the glock

@willyhearrell9060

7 жыл бұрын

crazier to think...in less than 100 years...we went from the first airplane to walking on the moon... around 50 years..

@simonferrer

7 жыл бұрын

Even crazier (well, maybe equally crazy), there are people alive now who remember candlestick phones, name/number phone exchanges (i.e. "Operator, get me Nassau 4-4438, please.") and party lines who now own smart phones.

@ZGryphon

7 жыл бұрын

More so when you consider that most of what makes a Glock work was developed 60-70 years before, well, the Glock.

@MrSven3000

7 жыл бұрын

crazy, when you think, that winston churchill lived through an age, in which he participated in a cavalry charge with lance and sabers, and witnessed the dropping of the first atomic bomb.

@ZGryphon

7 жыл бұрын

+MrSven3000 ... Well, for some values of "witnessed".

great video ian

Having the clips fall into the grip is kinda cool! Not that I'm a firearms designer or anything, but it's mighty clever. Just stuff 'em in, and when you're done the grip conveniently hangs onto the empty clips for you.

new fave forgetten weapon. cheers ian

wow, that's really impressively elegant and ergonomic design! especially compared to other early semiautos like the mauser c96.

Thanks Ian, I love forgotten weapons I see things I never knew existed, and things I know about but have never seen

Very nice video. thanks for sharing.

Great video, this was really cool.:D

A beautifully designed gun from a more elegant age.

Quite a slim and nifty thing compared to the other early pistols with toggle lock, like a Borchardt c93 etc...

What an amazing and unique firearm. I think the 1891 Salvator-Dormus can claim to have the best ever locking mechanism in an automatic pistol (when it was patented . . .)

very advanced and practical weapon ,surprised they were not popular

This is such a neat pistol.

I thought I was clever when I thought of "hey what if the initial trigger pull would add some sort of extra resistance to the slide to make a simple blowback gun" and it's literally how the first semi-auto pistol ever made worked.

I would think that to some extent many hammer-fired semi-auto pistols would behave somewhat as delayed-action blowback pistols since the mechanical advantage of the slide operating the hammer would change as it travels rearward. Depending upon how the hammer interacts with the bolt, one could arrange things so that the hammer would have to move further during the first millimeter of bolt travel than during the second, third, fourth, etc. That would seem a simpler and more reliable way of controlling cycle timing than using the operator's finger, and I can't really imagine anyone thinking the operator's finger would be useful for that. I would think it more likely that the trigger was pushed forward as a way of resetting the sear.

ITS CALLED A MAGAZI-...... wait ._.

@amperzand9162

7 жыл бұрын

Lol.

@AntonEugeneLanthier

5 жыл бұрын

Clip fed pistols are cool

@juanandresmendezmartinez8024

3 жыл бұрын

@@AntonEugeneLanthier Yeah, I don't know why aren't there any modern clip fed pistols...

@AntonEugeneLanthier

3 жыл бұрын

@@juanandresmendezmartinez8024 I really want one, the old ones are expensive

@mikepette4422

3 жыл бұрын

oh but it STILL hurts my ears to hear clip...i got let it go this time right lol

Damn, now I really want one. This looks like an amazing pistol.

Very cool, thanks for sharing.

Much appreciated.

You are right that it seems rather modern for being so old. The general format is very modern. It would not take a lot to make this design take detachable magazines. Strange after all the designs we have had, we end up with the form factor of the original anyway. I guess he was really onto something ahead of his time.

that trigger delay reset would probably let u bump fire the hell out of this thing.

Thanks . Interesting presentation as usually. I am moderately interested in guns. Don't have any but its sophisticated mechanics is interesting. Your presentations are really very well done. Thank you again.

Fascinating!

Hi Ian, love your channel. I would love to learn more about the Bergmann Mars pistol. I didn't know until recently that it was used by the police in Denmark (where I live) before ww2. The Bergmann Mars is kind of over shadowed by more famous pistols like the Mauser Broomhandle or the Luger.

Would love to go back to the wild west days and see the first guy ever who whipped this out at a high noon duel and see the other guy's reaction.

Hmmm, interesting fact might be that the Salvator part of the two guys who invented or developed this gun was Archduke Karl Salvator of Austria, a great-grandson of an Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire while the Dormus guy was just a simple Count, the european equivalent of an english Earl - so in their time quite a bit High Society both of them

It's an amazing idea! You don't need to worry about the empty cartridges laying around on the ground!

Such a cool and beautiful handgun, would really like to own one of those

I really like that clip dropping idea

I can just imagine the feel of pulling the trigger on that little fellow, your finger would have to feel the pushback from the operation of the gun. Makes me wonder how many failure to eject there were when folks felt that and fought the "kick" of the trigger?

I'm getting a strong Mars Automatic Pistol vibe from this one...

I asked for a video on the Schonberger-Laumann, and you exceed the request by finding a semi-auto pistol that was even earlier! Time to correct Wikipedia, eh?

so smart design !!!

Great video! I feel like AJ Ordnance Thomas .45 is similar to what Salvator-Dormus in this vid in terms of delaying mechanism. But I guess one could also say using trigger finger pressure and actual grip pressure from your palm is different enough.

I'm sure that there are components in this gun which were influenced by previous designs - after all, that's just how progress works. Even so, the Semi-Auto Pistol was such an important design advance (which integrated them all), that it caused a revolution, leading directly to the development of some of the most iconic guns ever made.

trigger thing that goes up?

@ToastytheG

7 жыл бұрын

mistergreene2 F*CKING BAN IT

@Acidic-ue2ml

3 жыл бұрын

"fully semi automatic clip fed short-barrel pistol"

I want this rebooted in a modern cal with a proper blowback delay. I'd even keep the clip config, that seems a bit more efficient than dropping a mag to insert a fresh one.

Someone should remake this gun in .22 calibre it'ed be a really cool piece of hardware. Great video too :)

Thank you for this Ian, wonderfully informative video. But it begs the question, what came next?

@williestyle35

4 жыл бұрын

The Laumann came later in 1891, then revised in 1894. Then the C 93, after those models the floodgates opened on semi auto pistol prototypes starting in 1894 & 1896.

What looks rustic compared to modern handguns all of a sudden becomes intricate like a watch in a few short minutes.

That thing must have an incredible trigger slap.

I'm thinking that the ability to retain clips in the butt could be used for 1. to prevent clips from falling to the ground in the field and becoming damaged or dirty or lost so they can be reused, or 2. filled clips can be kept in the butt for easy access via the bottom gate? Were any of these options the gun's creators or used practically? Great video as usual, Ian!

Magnifficent! It's so elegant, so nice looking, I wander if it's accurate and good to shoot.

this is a cool gun!

Grüße aus Österreich! greetings from Austria!

@NeuKrofta

6 жыл бұрын

Nathan Weiß VIRIBUS UNITIS

Does the Federov Avtomat still exist ? If No, are there replicas around ? If Yes, can you do a shooting test for them ?

@rune1234rune

7 жыл бұрын

You can find some surviving examples in Finland, with at least one in the Finnish Military Museum.

@GreenHellTube

7 жыл бұрын

Plenty of them in Russian museums.

@g.55centaurosimp18

7 жыл бұрын

+JeromeZP TV Really ?

@g.55centaurosimp18

7 жыл бұрын

+GreenHellTube Is there a video for live firing of one of them ?

@g.55centaurosimp18

7 жыл бұрын

+JeromeZP TV Don't worry I found it, but really low quality :V

Awesome!

I really like this video. A very cool pistol. I really like the way the bolt is charged. It honestly seems like a very good design for people with weaker grip strength. Put that handle against a table or ledge and push down with body weight. Really cool little gun.

@ToastyMozart

7 жыл бұрын

Sorta like the modification made to the rear sight on the M9A1, though easier to use.

@SFHFWill

7 жыл бұрын

M9A1? I'm going to have to look that up. I'm still learning about a lot of fire arms. My wife has very weak gripping power and cannot charge most pistols for home defense. She cannot lift up an AR-15 for more than a few seconds. I've been looking into a lot of weapons (pistols) that can help her get around this problem. Know of any others?

@ToastyMozart

7 жыл бұрын

I know there are some 3rd party accessories that put grips/fingerloops on the back of some striker-fired handgun slides (glocks especially), though I can't think of any handguns with charging handles built-in. I think in situations like hers revolvers are generally the recommended way to go. As for the M9A1, IIRC they flattened the front face of the rear sight notch so the edge of a table or similar surfaces could be used to rack the slide one-handed in case of emergencies. Like getting shot in the hand. Or maybe that was just the M9 series in general over the 92fs.

@SFHFWill

7 жыл бұрын

Well, the revolvers I looked at probably had too much kick for her. Literally she can only lift around 5 pounds in each hand for any extended period of time. A cup of coffee held to her chest eventually becomes too much for her. She is sick and until she recovers I worry about her safety. So I'm trying to learn and I've owned my AR for awhile and I never thought I'd need more for the house. However, she is a different story. Do you know of any low kick revolvers I could possibly look into? I did read about the Chippewa Rhino series of revolvers. With the barrel underneath I've heard the recoil is much less, price is high though. Looking for anything that might work for her. Know of any good low recoil revolvers?

@lordsummerisle87

7 жыл бұрын

What about a slide-mounted red-dot? Never tried one but Ian carries a GLOCK with one and likes to use it as a cocking handle. If she's recoil sensitive, perhaps look at rimfires? Better to have some gun than no gun.

If this pistol used trigger-actuated lever as delay, how much would the recoiling bolt kick on the trigger finger? The shooter might have a very sore finger after some clips of ammo...

@TonboIV

7 жыл бұрын

Probably a lot less than the rest of the pistol kicks you in the hand.

@ZGryphon

7 жыл бұрын

A lot would depend on how wimpy the cartridge was. (I'm going to guess pretty wimpy, just because they pretty much all were in the early semiautos. Except for that maniac Gabbett-Fairfax's. :)

@jackandersen1262

4 жыл бұрын

ZGryphon in addition, most guns with dubious locking mechanisms tend to use cartridges of dubious power.

It's weird hearing Ian say "Clip release" when holding an auto loader

Big thank you to Mr Red Tablecloth. Ian did you get new lights, or was there a big window to your right?

Did this pistol shoot rimfire or centerfire cartridges? And how was the trigger on this pistol

The thing about the pistol storing up used clips until it's full and then dumping them out the hatch reminds me of what happens if you leave the ejection port on an F(S)2000 closed. Now I need to go watch that video again.

very cool

How would the current tactical marketing guys sell "Trigger Slap Delay" as a high speed low drag feature? Perhaps: Instant tactical reset, you don't need an audible reset, here you can feel it.

Austria. The country of innovative guns.

@user-kf6nc5jv3l

7 жыл бұрын

Servus! Germans are our rivals, but the main difference is that they suck and we don't. Our guns are masterpieces.

@user-kf6nc5jv3l

7 жыл бұрын

Kit Fisto fistet alle weg What about Glock and Steyr Mannlicher? What about the handmade masterpieces from gunsmiths in Ferlach? Those are just examples.

@user-kf6nc5jv3l

7 жыл бұрын

Kit Fisto fistet alle weg Ah ein Deutscher.

@user-kf6nc5jv3l

7 жыл бұрын

Kit Fisto fistet alle weg Übertrefft mal die meistverkaufte Faustfeuerwaffe der Welt! Ich habe schließlich nur gesagt, dass wir die innovativsten Waffen haben. AUG, Glock 17 Gen1, Steyr-Roth M07, Werndl M67, Steyr M12 Reihenfeuer, ... . Wobei ich dir Recht gebe, teilen wir uns den 1. Platz was innovative Waffen angeht. Ihr habts da ja auch einiges in der Kategorie geleistet.

@Slowekistan

6 жыл бұрын

That's kinda racist. All countries have innovative guns regardless of nationality or skin color.

No surprise it's part of Fireplace Collector's dragon horde of treasures. I'd love a tour of his entire stash. Very nifty and modernish designs.

Ohhhhh...look how tiny and cute that bolt is.

5.1 grams is like 79 grains

Extremely cool. As usualy, but today even more.

Handsome toy no doubt. I'd very much wish to possess it.

I really like this pistol

This Salvator - Dormus 1891 pistol and the Laumann 1891 pistol, along with the Schonberger - Laumann 1894 revision *should be* included on the new Forgotten Weapons early automatic pistol playlist. The C 93 gets all of the credit as the "first" automatic handguns, but we see the the guns from 1891 were indeed "first". Seems strange that the Madsen 1888 was the "first" ( production ) semi-automatic *rifle*, near the time when the Austrian designers took longer to work out the flaws of their semi-auto pistols.

Something before the Bergmanns? I'm shocked! -Jen

Hey ian, did you make this video at a private collector? And if yes, does he have more intresting firearms to show us?

@neksiswolf

3 жыл бұрын

Oh man... If you knew...

So, the trigger finger pressure as a delaying mechanism thing..... Anyone else think that if they had made the bolt push the trigger back all the way to it's reset point that we could've seen a very retro steampunk version of, oh, I don't know, _a forced reset trigger in 1891?_

It was not only the first auto pistol, but also the best auto pistol--at least for a few months. Maybe more since don't know about those that came later.

peak fireplace.

I always thought the 1893 C93 Borchardt was the first semiauto pistol?

@Beltzer0072

5 жыл бұрын

It was the first semi automatic pistol that was successful but in terms of the first ever invented, unfortunately no. It was the first though to use the box magazine in the grip of the pistol as we know today.

i giggle at the idea of a pistol that takes an unplanned stripper clip dump out the bottom as you stuff another one in

you should do a video on the ar 9mm breakdown pistol

the OG forced reset trigger

Remember what the Dormus said!

@josephledux8598

4 жыл бұрын

Most awesome comment ever.

@davidm.4670

4 жыл бұрын

@@josephledux8598 'Feed your Head' x2 ... ;-)

Can imagine some big trigger slap coming from that delayed system