It's crazy the effect nostalgia has on our perception. Not even just in dead by daylight but just in general.

@slowlypassingaway1285

11 ай бұрын

the illusion of "back in my days, things are much better...."

@bumpi08

11 ай бұрын

Yeah... it's like we don't realise how enjoyable and fun something is until we can't do it anymore

@holdthisforme8235

11 ай бұрын

Nostalgia bias is a crazy thing.

@gabrote42

11 ай бұрын

It's a very curious field of study. Objective evidence of the state of the world before is very hard to find, especially before the XVIII century, and evn as recently as the 90s it's very hard to be objective

@acousticks526

11 ай бұрын

​​​@@Hex_mommymilkershehe yeah, it's not like you have a choice and can decide not to do that

Spirit had no vault animation, she could just stand there and you wouldn't know if she's gonna go thru the window or go around the loop

@lagua5363

11 ай бұрын

No because when she was interacting with something her animation was reset, this mindgame worked only with bad players.

@jaredsmith4964

11 ай бұрын

@@lagua5363that’s not true she literally didn’t have a vault animation

@DiablitoKawaii

11 ай бұрын

the jumpscare queen lmao

@weskintime4177

11 ай бұрын

@@lagua5363bro she literally had NO animation.

@exquisitepullup

11 ай бұрын

@@lagua5363Just look for the glowing shards.

I'm amazed to see nobody talking about keys. Whilst somewhat recent compared to a lot of these points, it was such a contentious topic, and it really led to anti-climactic moments where you were just playing your game and then suddenly the game ends because the survivors all grouped up and decided to leave.

@MrPendalv

11 ай бұрын

Yes, exactly. Keys were the biggest cheese in the game. You saw a key in lobby and instantly knew that this will be a sweatfest of tunneling key holder and trying to snowball dirty as possible, because - they could just hide key somewhere to prevent any camping of it or tunneling of its holder, also they could find hatch on the map before it spawns, due to collision, and then all leave together when 1 gen remained and they are 4 alive. Matches against key abusers were so horrible, and they were so toxic and salty, every time they failed to cheese. They dared to whine about tunneling and camping while their gameplan was to skip their last objective and the gates, just straight up forward escape

@uishy340

11 ай бұрын

Yes I remember so many of otz’s killer win streaks got ended by keys back in the day!!!!

@preslavprodanov2149

11 ай бұрын

@@MrPendalv Pretty sure the spawn hatch logic was gens done = survivors alive+1. I have played since 2017 and I remember it that way. Dunno about release dbd but it was probably the same. To get the 4 man hatch escape (which was an achievement that was quite rare to have too) you needed all 5 gens. The 2-3 man hatch escapes were very annoying though.

@nickkriebel1884

11 ай бұрын

Right, it was a glaring issue but before keys were addressed, in the midst of ‘gentrifying’ the game, they were too distracted by flashlights and spinning.

@Metalmimikyu

11 ай бұрын

@@uishy340who cares about win streaks unless ur a toxic player using toxic perks and a toxic killer and streamers are always toxic then show those stupid videos to people to show how to play toxic 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

It was Scott Jund who managed to down a lagswitching Claudette with a green shirt on Autohaven, if i don't misremember completely. His game would stutter when she started lagswitch, so he just stopped in his tracks and managed to down her. It was glorious

@fluxator3116

11 ай бұрын

I think it might have been Coldwind, but I remember the same thing. Pretty sure he made a video about it on his channel.

@LinkinParkConnoisseur

11 ай бұрын

@@fluxator3116 yeah he has a clip of it on one of his old videos

@greenthepokemontrainer3358

11 ай бұрын

link?

@Tim-Dahl

11 ай бұрын

​@@greenthepokemontrainer3358 I just googled Scott Jund kills lagswitcher and found it. Just search "Destroying a Lagswitcher | Demogorgon - Blood Lodge" and you'll find it. It was indeed a green shirt Claudette on autoheaven.

Glad to see Otz is finally taking some time off for himself and only giving us a one hour video today 🙏

@AntiBellum

11 ай бұрын

@@Hex_mommymilkersbro please

@JuanAntonioGarciaHeredia

11 ай бұрын

​@@Hex_mommymilkersweak bait bro 🥶🥶

@xdC33

11 ай бұрын

@@Hex_mommymilkers W

@KHOOKEES

11 ай бұрын

@@Hex_mommymilkers WHY ARE YOU EVERYWHERE

@weirdeggrolls3304

11 ай бұрын

1000th like!

To correct you all, the actual original DS did not require the non-obsessions to wiggle a certain % to break free, every survivor could use it immediately, obsession or not. They didn't change it to the % effect until patch 1.4.0

@guts_gudaniky

11 ай бұрын

Hop on cod

@Yuseph14

11 ай бұрын

Seeing people playing hunter during DS meta was such a pain. Glad didn't play that time 😂

@jaredsmith4964

11 ай бұрын

Dribbling was the worst thing in the game

@FlipflopB

11 ай бұрын

@@jaredsmith4964wow. That brought back a memory I totally forgot. Watching Tru3talent do that consistently was hilarious

@j0hnicide

11 ай бұрын

​@@jaredsmith4964it was the only way

I started playing in 2016 (don't remember exactly when but it was before the nurse came out), I think the only reason the game's flaws didn't show as much back then was because barely anybody knew what they were doing. I was dropping pallets when the killer was across the map because I thought you were supposed to set them up as a barricade in case the killer came, crouching in the corner for minutes at a time because the killer could be near, hiding in a locker as soon as you hear the terror radius, being too terrified to go for saves, always trying to escape the hook just because the option was available. If I was in a chase I would just drop every pallet, and if I had self care I would do the classic maneuver of healing in the corner while my teammates die because being injured is too scary Also totally random note, i remember playing a game on gideon meat plant against a hillbilly, and the map was PITCH BLACK there was no global lighting, only lights in the map itself. It was actually super cool, you pretty much had to go by the generator lights and random light bulbs. Not sure if it was a moonlight offering but it was really cool

@BassMSL

11 ай бұрын

That's awesome man. I started in 2018 and genuinely remember being petrified of the killer as well. And was definitely guilty of those noob antics also 😂

@billjones642

11 ай бұрын

sounds like the tm8s i get now

@WyattOShea

10 ай бұрын

Had the Gideon meat plant pitch black multiple times too back in the day. At first I was like wtf but after it had happened multiple times it was just frustrating as it was an auto loss 😂.

@thee8904

8 ай бұрын

Sounds like you were having fun

@hanowsss

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, I remember how anticipated the nurse was on release. Everybody was so friendly and clueless, there was no toxicity... good old times

The doctor had 2 phases that you could switch between, one for hitting survivors and the other for shocking survivors.The ridiculous thing was you could grab survivors %100 chance while them unhooking cuz you couldn't hit survivors by clicking M1 when you were in shocking mode xD

@koalamanda8299

11 ай бұрын

I HATED old Doc as a baby survivor bc I was terrified of the killer even perceiving my existence and you'd just randomly scream in his terror radius from passive madness build-up 😭

@Crossbarre

10 ай бұрын

​@@koalamanda8299no hiding for you 😀

@prismaticowl

10 ай бұрын

Oh god, that unlocked bad memories... I forgot all about old Doc...

@dontforgettonerfthepig3322

10 ай бұрын

​@@prismaticowlthat unlocked good memories for me)

@ZionSairin

8 ай бұрын

Impossible skillcheck doctor back in the old days... good time.

You guys forgot the old PWYF + Tinkerer killer power interaction! Back in the day, especially during the Huntress' release, you could run both windup addons in addition to Tinkerer increasing the numbers even further. You would also have PERMANENT 15% increased movement speed from PWYF (assuming you're limiting yourself to using the power only). This was also called the machine gun Huntress build. It was absolutely busted.

@FerrisJuuler

11 ай бұрын

I was waiting for the mention of machine gun builds... was happy once they did. And not to forget the Christmas vacation the developers went on RIGHT after an exploit was shown allowing killers & survivors to equip multiple of the same perk. Allowing you to have two STBFL and two Unrelenting, or 4 STBFL, etc

@xxxzeroxxx8406

11 ай бұрын

@@FerrisJuuler I remember the christmas vacation period, what a disaster hahaha.

@xyex

11 ай бұрын

Oh man, I completely forgot about old Tinkerer being a power speed buffer and not a gen thing.

@dodang_9147

11 ай бұрын

Otz failed to talk about original decisive strike. Original decisive strike was whenever a killer picks up a survivor. The survivor will immediately escape killer grasp stunning the killer for 2/3/4 seconds. there was no skill-check. there was no timer. there was no hook condition. This was possibly most powerful perk in dbd history because it gave you 4 hook-states. This was also paired with old BT which granted endurance to both survivors upon unhooking and old DH. Self-care+DH+BT+DS was strongest that survivors have ever been. Self-care healed you in 24 seconds. DH was overpowered and did not get nerfed until 6.1.0. Borrow time was nerfed to not grant both survivors endurance and decisive strike had at least 4 reworks before it was balanced.

@Predated2

11 ай бұрын

@@dodang_9147 Funny how you talk about busted survivor perks only, but even then most those perks were only busted due to having multiple perks available. Dying Light alone could win entire games. Killers like Billy and Nurse didnt need any slots to win games. You were not considered a good Billy or a good Nurse unless you could play perkless and addonless. And that is taking the survivor perks in consideration too. Not talking about Tinkerer, NOED, Unrelenting+STBFL(if you ran NOED + these 2 you would basically have 0.5 seconds attack cooldown on hits and 0.6 attack cooldown on misses, it was nuts). You can always talk about one specific side being absolutely busted, but you have to realize that the average killrate of red rank killers was 3+. I remember literally running full meme builds on Myers and still getting 3k's against decent teams. The only times I would lose was due to the map being extremely survivorsided(old haddonfield being the only guaranteed loss on meme Myers). DBD was a clusterfuck, and while I do wish it would go back sometimes, just so you could go into a match, bring some random build and still do well, I would only hope that happens if they disabled some heavily abusable things(Mori's were literally free wins, even with all the other things considered. It was relatively easy to get 1 hook before 2 gens were done)

this brought back so many memories. I forgot about switching killers in the lobbies. my friends and I used to change our steam names to “play trapper” “no play myers” “no play nurse”

Old sabo is the reason why so many killers have a deep-set primal hatred of Jakes that they can't quite explain even now 😂

@TheFalladin

4 ай бұрын

Not even jakes but ppl that sabo in general. Had a game eariler were 1 hook got sabo when I tried to hook someone and that Laurie got tunnled out of the game.

@aroace7913

3 ай бұрын

Hello fellow ace nerd ^^

One thing I'm amazed wasn't brought up was old Exhaustion. Up until patch 2.2.0, Exhaustion used to recover WHILST YOU WERE RUNNING. I remember SWF squads would all run Vigil and bring you to OP maps like Haddonfield. Wanna know how bad it was? Imagine the Haddonfield infinite, but survivors had an infinite Balanced Landing every time they jumped off the roof. Or infinite Sprint Burst on any normal loop. It literally made an almost impossible task genuinely impossible

@jayryan7188

11 ай бұрын

Vigil + Balanced + Sprint Burst literally gives me PTSD to this day

@casedistorted

7 ай бұрын

I remember those days. I kind of miss it haha

@TheMegatron673

4 ай бұрын

Who remembers the old hatch when it would spawn according to how many gens and survivors were left? 😁

Cannot believe you didn't talk about trapper being able to place traps right under the hook, survivors only being able to unhook from the front and therefore 100% getting trapped if they don't disarm it before rescue, making it impossible to recuse if the killer camped. Great video though love the nostalgia

@awesomealan12

11 ай бұрын

Used to do this as an early warning indicator back when I started playing years ago

@MrcreeperDXD777

11 ай бұрын

You can still do it if you are lucky. I've had a trap be generated right under a hook at the start of the game. Keep in mind, this is in the mobile version, so i dont know if the glitch is in the pc version.

@Sacredsnow2

11 ай бұрын

You used to not be able to disarm traps at all so they would have to trade. This was like 1st version of the game after alpha. I can’t remember correctly but you might’ve been able to disarm with a toolbox.

@weskintime4177

11 ай бұрын

@@Sacredsnow2yeah, permanent disarm with toolbox.

@Sacredsnow2

11 ай бұрын

@@weskintime4177 I think that was the only way to disarm tho if I remember correctly. You couldn’t do it without toolbox so you’d have to trade to unhook and hope the trapper was far enough so the person on the hook could untrap you after.

I'm a little surprised they didnt mention "infinite mending" legion. That was more traumatizing to me back then 😅

@oceanshrugs9235

11 ай бұрын

That was so bad

@TheVercci

11 ай бұрын

Still one of the most amazing dbd videos though.

@RenShinomiya121

27 күн бұрын

7 min mending goes brr, you are not escaping.

I'm convinced that people don't actually miss the old dbd, they miss being bad at dbd, i started playing about a year ago and i feel nostalgia for the big discovery period when I was walking around a map terrified of the killer showing up behind me

@screamingcactus1753

11 ай бұрын

This is exactly it. Dead by Daylight is objectively a better game now than it was at launch, it's just that players have gotten better. If the average player had at least two years of experience back during the first couple years of Dead by Daylight, I don't think that era of the game would be remembered nearly as fondly.

@koalamanda8299

11 ай бұрын

Exactly, I miss when everyone was bad at it so people just dicked around and there was an actual unspoken honour code instead of the obnoxious survivor/killer rulebook

@GoldenKirby

11 ай бұрын

Yeah no the joy of being a new gamer is such a trip

@fazegabi2482

11 ай бұрын

Not true at all, atleast not for me. I started playing in 2018 and it was genuinely the most fun I’ve had in any game ever before they reworked the survivor perks the first time. Although the game was unbalanced, that was what made it fun for us. We used to run flashlights object of obsession, breakout DH iron will and abuse killers until red ranks. When we got into a game with otz once we decided to throw games and derank to rank 20 so we could have our way with the inexperienced players. Call me whatever you like but playing dbd on a Friday night absolutely blasted while taking advantage of a broken game are some of the best memories of my life.

@GoldenKirby

11 ай бұрын

@fazegabi2482 -did bro just admit to bullying players and getting a kick out of it, and then admit to throwing once they got high mmr just so they can do it again-

One of the best quality of life changes that I feel no one talks about is when they changed how survivors struggle on 2nd hook. I hating smashing the space bar and sometimes would accidentally die on second hook because of it

@Jackn17_

4 ай бұрын

Also how you used to wiggle💀 Especially with controller

@PetriOn60fps

Ай бұрын

@@Jackn17_frrr stick drift for wiggle

Gameplay is much better and balanced nowadays, but I really miss the old art style. Sure, it was technically less impressive, but it was more unique and distinct and felt much more inspired by old slasher films than the new one. Also, the only gameplay thing I REALLY miss is old Billy. He is genuinely one of the very few things that were made much worse in the new versions. Even his animations were way more smooth and refined than now.

@ericsates

11 ай бұрын

old game actually looked creepy imo

@ILiekFishes

11 ай бұрын

nice pfp

@StanLoona-iq3id

11 ай бұрын

@@ericsatesyall always confuse “creepy” and ugly , like no girl it was ugly asf that’s it

@zackmash851

11 ай бұрын

old map design and lighting were phenomenal... old animations were absolutely awful though haha

@pikachu896

11 ай бұрын

@@StanLoona-iq3id Shortly before they started the graphical rework, every old map got its lighting and texture massively downgraded. Haddonfield is the biggest example, just before its rework, it had gotten so downgraded to the point where there was obvious texture tiling and the lighting was incorrect. A stark contrast from its 2016-2018 version. I was gonna do a video around a year ago showing the graphical downgrades of the old maps, but I kinda got lazy and gave up on it.

Oh dear god I remember almost all of these. The one I'm the most thankful for is honestly the Removal of Omega Blink Nurse. Because you'd listen to 7 blinks and instantly 2 dcs.

The craziest thing to me is that the new Dead Hard and the basekit BT feel so natural despite my thousand or so hours playing without them. Same thing with the endgame collapse. And Hatch standoff. Despite all of the hate BHVR gets, you gotta hand it to them for having most of the gamechanging decisions like this feel as seamless and natural as possible.

There’s only a few things I remember about the old DbD and that was the instant mori, infinites everywhere and for some reason the moon brightness offerings. Truly wild times.

@jaredsmith4964

11 ай бұрын

And the slightly and moderately map offerings

It’s honestly insane to see the old version of dbd being even more of a nightmare than what we have today

@Finniann

11 ай бұрын

As much of a nightmare as it was it still was better then what he have now. The game has lost all individuality, the game used to have some level of ascetic. Now it's just become a unfun piece of junk with lacklustered boring killers. Let's also not forget the the real problems in this game will never go away despite anything they try to do, the hatred in this game is more so then any other game ik of and its because of how the game was designed and it always will be that way. Maybe if we were lucky, their game will finally die , we can always hope

@mikedoubleeyesowski1864

11 ай бұрын

@@Finniann idk, I still enjoy the game, don’t understand why some people want it to die, if u don’t want to play it, then don’t

@Finniann

11 ай бұрын

@mikedoubleeyesowski1864 I completely agree and I actually have almost 2k hours when I stopped playing and it wasent a problem. It's just these videos claiming that people who say the game dosent have flaws are wrong the grind my gears

@lilgamerguy

11 ай бұрын

​​@@Finniann think you just need to take a break homie, burnout is a bitch.

@Finniann

11 ай бұрын

@lilgamerguy nah I appreciate the thought bro because your right. I actually don't play anymore and I haven't for awhile I just got a notification for this video and it just got me on one because I rlly miss the joy I felt playing that game awhile ago 🥲

The only thing I miss about old DBD is that it was very casual and was actually (somewhat) scary

@screamingcactus1753

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, there's not really much you can do about that. The longer a game sticks around, the better the average player gets. That's just the natural lifespan of longer lived multiplayer games

@phoebelovesYOU

11 ай бұрын

lol. it was not casual

@jaedonchantry1942

11 ай бұрын

Are you sure the scary part wasn't just you being more of a beginner? Because I thought the game was scary for a while but I eventually lost it and I feel that the scary aspect of the game is something that you only have while being inexperienced

@bigmanliam

11 ай бұрын

The game has been very casual for me now. I took a break for a few months and came back two days ago and I have gotten some of the worst survivors Ive ever seen 😂 even after getting tons of 4ks

@CrisisghostOM

11 ай бұрын

As someone playing for like 4 months, it is scary sometimes!

I have to admit that I miss Silent Spirit. The jumpscares you could pull off with her was spectacular

@stupeterwang558

10 ай бұрын

yeh it was fun that we had to watch the grass monve in case Spirit sneaks up on us.

@showtimepont897

10 ай бұрын

@@stupeterwang558or you used spine chill and the spirit thought you were cheating because you weren’t at the gen when she got there

@TheMegatron673

4 ай бұрын

I know most of us remember the old hillbilly before he got nerfed. I hated it when they added that overheat mechanic.

One more thing about Ruin that I find worth mentioning is that before dedicated servers. Sometimes it was very difficult to hit the great skillchecks due to poor connection to the killer. The skill check seemed very laggy and felt much more random to hit great skill checks on

We often remember the good memories we had learning the game and the different situations our lives are in, but when you really think about it old DBD was an absolute hellhole compared to now.

@bobbwc7011

11 ай бұрын

Not entirely true and not correct. You are making undercomplex comments about a complex situation.

@KILLJOY522

11 ай бұрын

​@bobbwc7011 If DBD was still the same, every game would be Nurse.

@LoveXKnife

11 ай бұрын

​@@bobbwc7011bro I don't even miss dead hard

@xyex

11 ай бұрын

Honestly, look back at 2016-18 DBD it's hard to believe I, or *anyone,* thought it was fun, lol. It had to be the fact it was such a unique and new concept for game clouding everyone's judgement.

Preach! People always miss the old days because the forget about all the negatives and only remember the positives

@DrHappy-hk4hl

11 ай бұрын

People are always nostalgic for the time when they started playing and everything was new to them, they just look at everything thru rose tinted glasses. Hence the whole, oh the game used to be scary and oh dbd is a party game I don't want balance.

@muysli.y1855

11 ай бұрын

True but i like to have more option to escape than only Gate back then do 5 Gens search for Hatch use Key and leave was different fun and not repetetive like Today Wish dbd had more option.

@CrazedKasaJizo

11 ай бұрын

@@muysli.y1855I feel like that in itself was repetitive because it was pretty reliable due to killer being unable to do anything about. Shining example of what this comment is talking about

@Casper.P

11 ай бұрын

@@muysli.y1855 Isn't it just repetitve because you've played the game more now and it has thus become stale for you?

@muysli.y1855

11 ай бұрын

​​​​@@CrazedKasaJizo you still need to do 5 gens + finding Hatch + bring Key, it was not broken like endless loop or 7blink Nurse. It was strong but i have no Problem to make it Harder (6 gens) but removing, every Round feels same, Killer complaining why gens going so fast maybe you have no other to task do? Why i should use Key/Map So 4 toolbox,4 medkit, 4 flashlight is more commently

It was fun going down memory lane for these, and holding in my laugh when I saw certain topics I remember too well.

Nostalgic? Old DBD gave me PTSD. Maybe if you were a survivor main power tripping every game you would find Old DBD nostalgic.

The only good things about old dbd are that we had everything still to learn and people weren't aware of the billion abusable bugs and or didn't know how to exploit them well yet

This is even more crazy when you look at the fact some people defended some of the most broken things in this game and claimed the devs were babying the killers when it all got nerfed

For me the worst part of old decisive strike was the fact that it worked in endgame. I remember one game that I had where I would've gotten a 3 or 4k, but everyone I downed had decisive up, so I got a 0k. One of the survivors actually felt bad for me in the postgame chat

@1nfiniteVo1d

11 ай бұрын

Not to mention old ds and unbreakable. Literally invincible for a minute after being unhooked. It was a lose/lose as killer.

@worgenlord3424

11 ай бұрын

Yeah it was horrible, i would like to see that deliverence also turn off in endgame.

@qwertyqwerty-dr4ni

11 ай бұрын

@@1nfiniteVo1d a whole minute after u unhook someone??? national tragedy 😱

@riceoni9369

11 ай бұрын

@@qwertyqwerty-dr4nibro what a whole minute in Dbd is huge

@qwertyqwerty-dr4ni

11 ай бұрын

@@riceoni9369 you're always welcome to chase a different survivor!

I remember onetime I had a hatch stand off with a bubba, the hatch was on a hill and there were 3 gens left. He was guarding it like no tomorrow, so I finished all the gens. After i finished the last gen, I saw him finally leave the hatch to check the doors, so then I booked it and made it to the hatch. He was pissed lol

Top 17 reasons to NOT miss DBD: 1. The Playerbase 2. The playerbase 3. the Playerbase 4. the playerbase 5. The playerbase 6. the Playerbase 7. the players 8. the pLAyerbase 9. thE playerbase 10. the playerbase. 11. ThE plaYERbase 12. The playerbase 13. The PLayerbase 14. the playerbase 15. the playerbase 16. The PLayerbase 17. The playerbase.

@Garykem8

10 ай бұрын

You forgot about the playerbase

The only thing I miss is that survivors used to be afraid of the killer, it gave the game a very different feel

@conniefan123

11 ай бұрын

That only really happened for a players first few games i feel lol

@potato_dbd

11 ай бұрын

Now it's the opposite.

@Armeanu91

11 ай бұрын

I'm litteraly more affraid to play killer.

@AutumnCosplay

11 ай бұрын

I feel like this is still a nostalgia effect. Survivors still used to run killers on infinites, teabag when there’s nothing the killer could do etc.

@weskingtime6087

11 ай бұрын

lol outside of your first few matches nobody fears the game shush

The 3 loadouts was the biggest thing QOL wise that wasnt mentioned. I had a couple killers who I ran 2 distinct playstyles that I used to write the build perks and addons in a notebook, so I would not forget when testing new builds.

A bit of a correction on the Mettle of Man part of the video, the perk DID work on Nurse back on release. Nurse blink attacks were still considered normal attacks back then, so the perk would trigger against the Nurse and waste her blink.

@Gwimpage

11 ай бұрын

This is a late response, but when the Ash DLC came out, the Nurse didn't give MoM stacks with blinks as a result of a bug. Other perks worked fine with blink attacks working as M1's, but it was specifically MoM that didnt work for a time. They fixed it in an update afterwards so Nurse players didn't care about MoM for awhile and only started caring after the fix.

Old Freddy was my original main, I still miss him to this day.

@kisarameow5333

11 ай бұрын

Same I hardly play him anymore since the rework

@dumblenutz5561

11 ай бұрын

I only ever got to play him with the old Splinter offerings, but i loved him. I never got to own him before the Rework and i rue it to this day. Old Freddy looked so fun and unique to me. I miss him.

@spooky0_0.

11 ай бұрын

I've Heard that BHVR are planning to rework him in early 2024 alongside with Twins, so i'm putting all my hopes and who knows... maybe old Freddy will return or he will be fun again to play with a different power that suits the character in a faithful way😢🙏

I feel like people only miss how dark the game maps used to be. Like the old farm and autohaven maps. They dont remember all the slow and clunky actions of killers or the instablinds

@neo-x.

11 ай бұрын

the game just looked better horror wise with thick fog darkness and colour

@Lunofi

11 ай бұрын

Most people don’t miss 2016-2017, most people miss 2018-2020

@weird623

11 ай бұрын

personally i just miss the survivor animations, running and spinning felt so smooth and now it kinda just feels clunky but maybe thats just me

@FEKana

11 ай бұрын

​@nukacola556 don't understand how anyone could miss the old run animation, it always looked so weird to me, but I never played old DbD so that's just a me thing

@weird623

11 ай бұрын

@@FEKana basically, 1- nostalgia and 2- it felt much smoother to control while turning and 360'ing, you felt faster ,but you weren't kinda like having a wider fov, it had to be changed of course because it looked really goofy and unprofessional to be kept in, but yeah those are my reasons

Although nothing will ever replace the old injured running animation 💔

They should bring back moonlight offerings but the new moon is the old look of the maps, i wanna go back and see old thompson house again. It was cool and actually scary

You forgot to mention when legion missed his "special" attack, it didn't take them out of their power.

@shad03void99

11 ай бұрын

I wish they at least changed it so that you lose a % of your charge so you aren't so badly punished.

@snkybrki

11 ай бұрын

​@@shad03void99 Just don't miss

@shad03void99

11 ай бұрын

@@snkybrki Not always easy when you are braindead.

@darthrevan5609

11 ай бұрын

​@snkybrki clearly you've never played legion because it's incredibly easy to wiff on a frenzy stab

@snkybrki

11 ай бұрын

@@darthrevan5609 I very much have played Legion. There's definitely some situations where avoiding a whiff is difficult, but in the extreme majority of cases, doing so is purely a skill issue. It's much like hitting a regular lunge, except you have greater range. I think punishing players for fucking up a usually trivial thing is completely fair.

Also huge shoutout to runningman and cope, they are such a nice people and they have an amazing personality and are fun to watch

@thedonaslan6293

2 ай бұрын

I felt like otz really interrupted them a lot which as the video goes an compared to the beginning they didn’t speak as much, at least that’s what i observed

To add to flashlights, there was also the thing where you could flashlight save during the hook animation Sometimes I wished I was a survivor main

The only thing I really miss about old DBD being a player who started playing the day it released. Is just how much it felt like the wild west where people were just trying out random stuff. Wraith was considered OP out of the original Trio and hillbilly was considered trash so the first realizations of how insane the game was with double pallets and infinites weren't really apparent yet. Even if some stuff was so broken, it was new and everyone was just trying stuff out. And I will always miss that.

I'm so unbelievably glad Otz made this video. I am sick to death of the people constantly spamming "i miSs oLd DbD" constantly or saying it was better than current DBD

@Chill_Lynx

11 ай бұрын

Lol, reminds me of other games like Fortnite and R6, people need to use logic, not nostalgia

@echo2413

11 ай бұрын

@@Chill_Lynx Oh for sure, R6 community is super bad for it too. It basically comes down to people missing the way their life was back then, not the actual game itself. And they don't realise that

One of the things that triggers me the most is people saying that old DBD looked more scary and immersive, this to me is the proof these people have no idea what they are talking about and that they didn't play the game at all at the time or they already forgot how it really was back in the days and are only talking because of nostalgia... Sure the maps look more atmospheric but that's because devs didn't care about balancement at all, it was almost impossible to see players hiding in plain sight in some corners of the maps, the dark atmosphere was an attempt to hide the (at the time) very low graphic that was very outdated even at the time, the animations were all clunky, even the most basic ones like running were super goofy and badly looped, the "maps" were literally all the same thing except one was dark blue and the other was dark orange, the terrain of each map was all scattered and not smooth like now meaning Trapper's traps would sometimes not even be in reachable areas if you got bad RNG and got them to spawn under ground, speaking of which, you could actually place them literally under the ground sometimes because it was inconsistent af, the game looked "better" because it was worse and they had to use lightning to hide problems and this costed a lot in terms of gameplay basically, you could barely play if the room wasn't dark enough, it looked like that one Game of Thrones episode that was infamous because how hard it was to see, you could use offerings to make already darker maps even darker or make them more bright revealing several problems in texture, and all of this ONLY when it comes to visual stuff, let's not get started on gameplay stuff ugh... The game did a wonderful job with the graphical update and balancement over the years, while still not perfect (what is perfect by definition in an asymetrical game?) It's undeniable how much better it is nowdays, people saying otherwise are just blinded by nostalgia or are purposely ignoring the problems above, in which case anyone would obviously say that a dark atmosphere fits better for an horror game, duh!

This is the golden age of DBD content, between Otz's consistently great, informative uploads, Kyto's experiment games, Spookyloops challenges. What a time to be a DBD fan.

@mr.cookiecutter

11 ай бұрын

The loss of Puppers, Noob3's absence, and Monto's betrayal have stung though. Although RedsGamingGears and Zet0r have become newfound favs for me.

@HitTheBluntTTV

10 ай бұрын

No love for ayrun in here

@WyattOShea

10 ай бұрын

What did Monto do?@@mr.cookiecutter

@cs1645

10 ай бұрын

What do u mean NOW is a good time to be a dbd fan??? Lol most of the dbd players that keep playing its cuz how fun It used to be (at least before boon totems and new movement) / theyre streamers, they Dont get money if they Dont play/ they are new, BHVR IS the worst devs team ive seen in a while, they use to have a really umbalanced super rng fun Game and after 7 YEARS OF "WORK" they have a super umbalanced rng boring and sweating players Game that looks worse graphicly and u have a fps cap to 120 FPS when u could run the Game at 240 if u wanted to back in the days... Lucky for us 18th august IS right here 😂

@69stinkybutt69

10 ай бұрын

@@HitTheBluntTTV I love ayrun, his current solo q challenge is really fun.

I'd love to see a podcast like this from you guys. You could genuinely talk for hours about anything and it would be a delight to listen to.

old dbd in my heart for nostalgia , but new dbd is on top for sure

I still miss hawkins....

@boomerbray7443

4 күн бұрын

Guess what

Otz, I’ve been a subscriber of yours for years at this point as a part of the DBD community since 2018. I love this video and thanks for taking me back!

Loved the vid, usually struggle to sit through long videos, but watched this from start to finish! Was fun to remember all the crazy stuff back then

Watching yer old videos always makes me think “I can’t believe we played this game and liked it.” I see a lot of disdain for the devs of DBD for things both real and imaginary but I’m much more kind to them whenever I think of how far we’ve come

@NateALodean

11 ай бұрын

"They made the game slightly less shit so I respect the devs." You're the reason why the game is still shit. People like you are content with how lazy the devs are

About the loops, I was always a killer main but played survivor till rank 1 as well, I never really used em because stealth play felt more fun to me and just quick & quiet, no moans of pain or grunts, Nea's fast crouch perk. As a killer, I also remember the original Nurse map had a infinite with 2 windows in the main building. Also, Unrelenting and STBFL both did reduction on hits and missed attacks. And Myers used to be able to stalk multiple survs at once for fast EW.

I still remember playing the beta for the game and grinding it out over the summer in 2016. On the one hand, old self care and old spine chill made survivors unbelievably self sufficient and able to dodge and weave most stuff killers could do to garner an advantage. On the other hand, fighting tooth and nail to be the last one alive only to have the killer stand over the hatch was genuine pain. I stopped playing shortly before Myers got released and didn't come back until The Singularity came out, and the sheer amount of changes and stuff added between then was mind blowing to me

Great video! What I've realized that when we people miss games or at least old versions of them, we just miss the emotions and memories we had while playing those old version i guess. And nostalgia really does alter our perception a lot!

Otz uploads +1 hour video: We’re well fed for tonight boys

I really miss the rustic horror feel, the gritty and bloody texture everything had, like Oldwind Farm, and killers like Huntress or Doctor being standard issue, as opposed to killers like the Trickster and the Skull Merchant

@twinzzlers

11 ай бұрын

I like playing Skull Merchant, but Jesus her design is the worst in the game. Even Trickster's is better

@onesaucynougat7471

11 ай бұрын

⁠@@twinzzlerswe found the one skull merchant main

@twinzzlers

11 ай бұрын

@onesaucynougat7471 I actually prefer Bubba and Myers lol. I just really like tracking survivors

Such an interesting topic, I would like to see more videos like this where you have guests on. I was here for some of these, surprised none of you mentioned the old BT and how broken it was, I think it was at its strongest right before it was added to the basekit but the older iterations of it were kinda busted.

One thing you forgot is RPD on release. You basically played blackscreen simulator because everything was so dark. Paired with the we maze like corridors it was 10x harder to find gens then nowadays. You also could easily hide from the Killer by crouching on any corner because every corner was basically a black hole.

@SethiKinsGaming

7 ай бұрын

that's something you never experience on ps4-era consoles, those consoles couldn't, and likely still can't render the levels so dark, so while those around me were on ps5s and xbox series Xs, my dinky ps4 gave me an advantage in that regard. of course, almost everything else about ps4/xbox one was a garbage experience for dbd.

You can tell what side a person plays more often by how they remember old dbd

@Pablo-pr4vg

11 ай бұрын

I’m sure Billy mains would agree with you, SMH.

@weskingtime6087

11 ай бұрын

killer main and I love 2019 DBD, it was peak

@animaIpath

11 ай бұрын

@@weskingtime6087 🤡

@derpyduck5088

11 ай бұрын

@@animaIpath "Reeeee you have a different opinion than me"

@twinzzlers

11 ай бұрын

I came in during Pinhead' release, the game sucked

We will never miss the old mori system 💀

@Drheims

11 ай бұрын

What are you talking about it was completely balanced. 🤣

@MusicZeroOne

11 ай бұрын

Balanced out BNP’s though. Those were awful

@Drheims

11 ай бұрын

@@MusicZeroOne Yeah.

@1nfiniteVo1d

11 ай бұрын

The second I saw that the killer’s offering didn’t flip, I was already playing for hatch.

Loved this. Amazing to reminisce about old DBD. Great video for some nostalgia! :)

Tremendous video. Super interesting history for me since I didn't start playing until 12/21. So much history prior to that date.

So happy to see Otz's sound management 🙌

Cope just feels so much like "Yeah I am so much better than everyone"

@danielmaster8776

11 ай бұрын

And he says he's a killer main but him saying running 4 slowdown perks is equivalent to 99'ing hooks with Saboteur in that they both "stop the opponent from playing the game" clearly shows he's one in name only.

Thank you, Otz, for this trip down memory pain.

1:06:00 I love that the NOED picture is just two killers the “frosty eyes”😂 That’s so accurate

Truthfully I agree with Runningman. The hex NOED that had no aura was pretty damn awesome. When I saw it as a survivor I would laugh with FEAR knowing the game could end in no time flat. Now when I think of NOED I think of finding a hiding spot and letting the aura spread and then it’s found with ease. I miss that spice that it used to give to the game, and it made the last few minutes as tense as possible

@CampinSteve

10 ай бұрын

bro nobody wants to go from winning handily to losing the game because the killer brought a perk that rewarded them for losing. Its just as stupid as adrenaline picking people up off the ground.

@backpack_hermit25

10 ай бұрын

ngl, if survivors can have adrenaline, let killers have NOED, it's not that hard (I say this as a survivor main btw.) Just do bones lmao-@@CampinSteve

This was such a trip down memory lane, lol. It also brings into light how much better the game is right now compared to old times.

That was amazing podcast, thanks Otzy!

Love those kind of videos, it feels like talking to my own friends and reminiscing the past

Moving from the mobile version to pc, I miss the blood store lootboxes with iridescent shards and even auric cells, and also the perk menu filters of altruism perks, evasion perks, gen perks, miscellaneous etc. Edit: another honorable mention is the daily missions with iridescent shards and 40 auric cells per week Edit 2: also the 24h free character demo tickets

I still miss old DbD where streaks with no perks/power were possible.

@Antarctide

11 ай бұрын

They still are.

Big thanks to Cope and RunningMan making this such a cool little walk through memory lane

one of the greatest quality of life changes was the rework of the hook struggling. That old one was so annoying i used to get cramps in my hand from spamming the struggle button and if you messed up for a millisecond you were instantly dead.

When you look back, you think “damn that was really bad” but playing during that time, it just felt natural, it was like “dang that’s annoying”

The only thing I miss about the old dbd is the old animations, they looked so clean and matched the game vert well. Now all the survivors look dead inside... (Which makes a little sense after going against a camping killer for the 7h time.)

love u otz. you always transmit such good vibes

Love the video idea, it gave me quite some flashbacks. Also, i absolutely miss old surv movement.

To add to the old ruin conversation; toolboxes used to have a hell of a lot more charges, and would last for multiple gens, which made the addon that eliminates skill checks kinda viable against the whole ruin meta.

It's just nostalgia not that old dbd is good.

@currynun02

11 ай бұрын

Exactly

On the topic of the moonlight offerings, the lightborn perk also made your FOV darker and the shadowborn perk made your screen brighter at the benefit/cost of being more or less resistant to flashlights. Darkest moonlight + lightborn = suffering

THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO !!!!!!! I was literally hoping someone would since people keep acting like DBD hasn't come far, you are amazing otz I love you.

One thing I will always associate with old DBD are pallet vacuums. It was so broken idk how it was around for so long. Same with permanent hook breaks! Back when you basically needed to run iron grasp agitation since so many SWF would break all the hooks and you only had basement as an option

@bobbwc7011

11 ай бұрын

Wrong, pallet vacuums did not exist originally. They were an unwanted side effect after BHVR "fixed" other things.

@christianftt3136

11 ай бұрын

@@bobbwc7011yeah they weren’t in the game originally i don’t remember them tell around spirit release then they were removed a couple months later when clown released

What I miss is the experience and how I felt. I miss loading into a map, hearing Freddys lullaby and subsequently panic becouse I was scared becouse if he found me he could see me from anywhere on the map. I miss playing as killer and enjoying the dark atmosphere and chasing survivors without having to worry about meta perks, controlling gens and keeping track of hook stages. I miss useing perks I found funny and not perks I find strong. I miss prestige cosmetics being something special. I miss the simpler days...

I loved pre rework freddy he was so fun to play. I loved the idea of being only be able to see him while asleep and running insidious on old freddy was loads of fun to play with also

Not a day goes by where i don’t miss forever freddy. Peak power freddy was so fun, especially since it was one of the few builds you can make work without Ruin.

I apologize in advance for how long this comment is. I have played the game since launch and there are a decent amount of things that didn't get mentioned in the video. At the very release of the game, when hooks could be sabo'd permanently, trapper's traps could also be sabo'd permanently. Also, if you had a toolbox, you could sabo traps without even disarming them. Spamming m1 while being chased would snap to the disarm animation for any traps in range, so it was super easy to avoid them. Small game was a perk before totems were introduced too, and it used to just show the aura of trapper traps to survivors within a range of 6 meters which made traps even easier to avoid. Flashlights used to have instablind add-ons that increased the speed at which you blinded the killer. This was so fast that you could aim a flashlight at them mid chase when they weren't even locked in an animation and blind them. It was so fast that you couldn't react to it. Also, shadowborn used to make your vision brighter, but also increase the speed you got blinded by flashlights. This stacked with the instablind flashlight speed, so you would get blinded in like a millisecond. Many killers used to run shadowborn because maps were darker and it made finding survivors a lot easier. Another interesting thing was borrowed time on release. It would only activate once per game and you had to be in the killers terror radius, but it would protect both the person being unhooked AND the person who unhooked them. If you managed to save it until endgame, it was a free escape for both people. Also, before deep wound existed, the borrowed time meter could not be mended. It had to be healed like a health state. This meant that if you didn't have self care or someone to heal you, you would just go down after the timer ran out. The timer would also not pause during any action like deep wound does now, so it allowed the killer to tunnel you and you would still die after a set amount of time. I think the bleed out timer was around 40 seconds so it still bought a lot of time. Also, when Decisive Strike was first added, it was not an obsession perk. Every survivor in a match could use it the first time they were picked up without needing to wiggle at all. If you did not press spacebar at all to hit the skill check, you could use it later, but if you pressed spacebar and missed the skill check, it would disable the perk. They then changed it to the obsession thing where non-obsession survivors had to wiggle for a bit. Another thing that used to be crazy was sprint burst and balanced landing. On release, sprint burst had a 20 second cooldown and would recharge at full speed while sprinting. Every 20 seconds in chase, a survivor would keep activating sprint burst. They nerfed it to a 20 second cooldown and made it recharge at 50% speed while running, so it would take 80 seconds to recharge in chase. Then, when nea was added, they added balanced landing. Exhaustion was not a status effect, and these two perks had separate cooldowns independent of one another, so you could use both of them at once. You could sprint burst up a hill, fall of the hill, then get the balanced landing speed boost right after. Jungle gyms used to have a window spawn on both the short wall and long wall at the same time. All pallet loops that can have a pallet at one spot or another spot would instead spawn both pallets every time. This included both pallets at the double window jungle gyms. Wraith used to get deviousness points just for uncloaking near survivors without hitting them, so many wraith players would hook you and then sit at the hook cloaking and uncloaking for points. There are so many other things that I am probably forgetting. While the game used to have a lot of problematic things, I kind of liked how much more wild things were. There was crazy broken stuff on both sides and I think it would be fun to go back and play older builds for a bit to re-experience them.

@KatyaAbc575

11 ай бұрын

I don't mind long comments, but please use paragraphs for god's sake.

@christianftt3136

11 ай бұрын

i completely agree about playing older builds i’ve played since beta an i remember when stbfl an unrelenting used to stack lol and also old coldwin used to be able to spawn 8 tiles just crazy but the only reason i’d imagine bhvr doesn’t allow older builds to played is because i think a lot of players would just play older versions of the game

say what you want. the game has improved A LOT over the past 12-18 months. maybe not as much as we would like and not always in the perfect direction, but a lot has been done. good video to remind us of that.

Silent spirit was the most fun I had in the game. I got bullied endlessly for over a year by the most organized four man teams clicking flashlights in the open and T bagging at every pallet. Then, this absolute monster of an add on came out and I felt like I was watching those same teams have meltdowns now that they don’t have all the power. 10/10 would recommend.

@specky4153

5 ай бұрын

Wish i was there for it especially as a Spirit main. I started playing when Dredge came out so back in 2022 way after the addon pass and i definitely wouldve loved to run a jumpscare build back then. I wish that could come back but im not expecting that to happen anytime soon

This is by far one of the most entertaining videos I’ve seen from otz

Thank you Otz for this hard counter to the "Things we miss" videos. Game is in a good place now, many mistakes were made in development that naturally needed to get fixed!

I’ve been playing this game since early in its beta. The memories of each of these eras are…a lot. Regardless that is was so broken, early dbd is something I’ll miss solely because of that. I hope they can release something that would allow us to experience it again but with maybe some things added to not make it literally impossible for killers or survivors to win.

19:01 I remember Legion w/ two knives add-ons so u would get infinite mend 1:05:56 THE THING back then was that u didn't have any end game perks or just a lot of perks in general, so you almost had no choice but run noed 1:13:11 About QOL u could see killers perks and add-ons after you died/escaped it was so annoying, because after 1 man out by any means and you understood that your build got leaked to other 1:19:35 I'm so glad the made that they made that you keep your items AND a new Teachable perks mechanic is amazing, because you needed to find this perk manually in bloodweb With all these changes you can tell how far dbd went, thx for your efforts boys!!!

One thing I miss from old DBD: Stealth used to be more viable than it is today, because the game was darker and had taller and more dense grass. Two things I don't miss about old DBD: Old ruin and old dead hard. They were a bother for people more experienced in the game, but would completely destroy intermediate/casual players most of the time. They were not the worst, like the old Mori, but they "flew under the radar" of the devs for SO long...

Reasons why i don't miss old dbd. Reason 1: Nicholas Cage isn't in old dbd.

@dededede9257

11 ай бұрын

Based

20:58 I have been a hardcore Legion fan ever since they were first made a 115%, and until a few months before 5th hit got implemented, everyone thought Legion sucked, or were terrified. That first iteration was horrible, but Legion was pretty good afterwards. Nobody could call you toxic or sweaty, even, because you just destroyed them with a supposedly D tier (Actually low B) killer. Their playstyle also became very rewarding and fun, especially after 5th hit and Pills. First Legion was very traumatizing tho

@TheRealMycanthrope

11 ай бұрын

Low B? Trippin'

@gabrote42

11 ай бұрын

@@TheRealMycanthrope Ryuga's words, not mine. It was also the first 50 winstreak Otz did

33:46 It was 25%, and there’s a bug back then that let you stack 4 same perk which renders it 100% reduction in repair speed

This video has moved me to July 2016 when I just started playing Dead by daylight. I haven't seen so much flashbacks yet. Flashbacks with everything I've experienced for 7 years. Thank you Otz, Cope and RunningMan. In addition to the video, I can remember the time period when you could unhook the survivor from the hook only on the front side. The Trapper could put a trap right under the hook and be sure that no one will unhook the survivor. I can also remember hook tech (hook break could be performed at a small distance from the hook, which instantly teleported survivor to the hook, allowing him to dodge the hit). And how about common and uncommon map offerings? The rope on Pale Rose is still in my inventory. Most of all I miss accelerating perks with own timer without fatigue and old models. I still think that old Kate and Lunar Feng skin models was better than now.