I've not watched the video yet, but in answer to your first question, an interlocked socket is fine for EV charging according to the regs (most likely), at least what I got from an eFIXX video a couple of weeks ago - It's very much one of those things where an interlocked socket is in the same spirit as a shuttered socket just in a different form. The eFIXX channel/video goes into what the regs say about the matter more than I care to in a comment, but it might be worth a watch if you want more info

@JulianIlett

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I watched the same eFIXX video to satisfy myself that I'm not flouting the regulations :)

Padlock hole is typically intended for lock-out tag-out (LOTO) procedures to stop people from turning things on while they are being worked on, and it looks like they just kept the feature (it's on the 'normal' industrial power switches as well, the ones that look like this but red)

@MrCalldean

Жыл бұрын

The red isn't "normal" or "industrial", it's three phase; loto can be for any equipment that might have multiple people working on it. You are correct though, it does look like loto.

To comply with UK wiring regs, an external socket intended for EV charging would need either PEN fault protection ( assuming supply is TNCS), or a TT earth rod. It would also need to be fed from a type B RCD

Quite good, helped a lot. Many thanks!

At 1:45. I had much the same worried expresion as the socket. Then I realised there was no real danger because Julian used a wooden non conductive popsicle stick to poke.

Shutters are required on sockets conforming to BS 1363, but these are made to BS 60309, in which I can't find mention of shutters

I've been working at a body shop for a bit now and extra tips I learned was if you're painting the door, it's better to take off the mirror and belt molding (the trim at the bottom of the window) for a better paint job in the end. The mirror can get in the way, and if you're unlucky, the clear coat could stick in that gap between the door and the belt molding.

@JulianIlett

Жыл бұрын

Wonderful :)

Big Julian

was looking at these for a Victron Inverter because if you unplug the ‘feed’ it remains live briefly because it’s inverting from the battey and take a few seconds to realise it’s lost it’s grid feed

Shops selling returnd goods as new, never!!!! I once went from york to leeds to buy an expensive commodore monitor for my amiga 1200, i paid a fair wedge for it even after discount with it being the last one and the display model. I got it home, was kind of happy, but the screen had light/dark areas making a 4 leaf clover pattern, after a week or so i wasn't super impressed by it but would live with it. A friend of mine came to visit he was another amiga owner of the 2000 variety and had the big kit, he said oh new monitor, i had one just like that but i took it back about 3 weeks ago as it had dark areas just like yours, maybe there all that way.... then he said hang on, that little scratch, thats where i dropped a mains plug on mine, pulled out his pocket pc out to get his emails, and he had the serial number of his, which matched mine.... needless to say he went with me when i took it back, i should have pursued that further really as it was completely unethical what they did. and the odds of me knowing its previous owner...

@JulianIlett

Жыл бұрын

Excellent story. Maybe I know the previous owner of this socket :)

Mount to wall and a can of Plasti dip or Chlorinated rubber Swimming pool paint or UV Cure Epoxy Resin over the box joins lips and Cure it with a UV light Source for 5 ~ 20 mins Pool paint i would shallow fill (kitchen ladle) the back Front Plate of the socket so when it sets it will make a custom water tight gasket seal For moving Bits i would use petroleum jelly and make crude stuffing box or gland package "A gland is a general type of stuffing box, used to seal a rotating or reciprocating shaft against a fluid. The most common example is in the head of a tap (faucet) where the gland is usually packed with string which has been soaked in tallow or similar grease. The gland nut allows the packing material to be compressed to form a watertight seal and prevent water leaking up the shaft when the tap is turned on. The gland at the rotating shaft of a centrifugal pump may be packed in a similar way and graphite grease used to accommodate continuous operation. The linear seal around the piston rod of a double acting steam piston is also known as a gland, particularly in marine applications. Likewise the shaft of a handpump or wind pump is sealed with a gland where the shaft exits the borehole. Other types of sealed connections without moving parts are also sometimes called glands; for example, a cable gland or fitting that connects a flexible electrical conduit to an enclosure, machine or bulkhead facilitates assembly and prevents liquid or gas ingress. "

@JulianIlett

Жыл бұрын

I'm just not a big fan of gunk (in its various forms). I think the secondary enclosure (meter cabinet) will work fine and provide a 2nd line of defense against tampering.

Based on the outdoor switch box Dave Jones had issues with, taping over the top and sides of the seam will help with waterproofing, especially if the box gets exposed to sunlight. Leave the bottom untaped since it might be designed to let moisture escape, and it also looks like some electronics safe silicone around the outlet can't hurt either. Also add a bag of desiccant inside if there's enough room left over, and try to have the cable entry holes at the bottom of the box.

@JulianIlett

Жыл бұрын

That worked on a PIR sensor I put in my garden. The sensor is intended for indoor use only. It's still working several years on.

Just spent 2 hrs installing two 32A 5pin 3Phase version's of these in 42C heat too, thanks for the reminder lol.

@JulianIlett

2 жыл бұрын

Not in the UK then? We only do 40 degrees :)

@dogwalker666

2 жыл бұрын

@@JulianIlett actually yes this is at work, we hit 55C a few weeks even the SWA cable was getting soft.

Hi, Julian!! I don't know, @0:35, that socket looks a little worried. "Oh, No, Julian! What are you going to do to me?!" 😮 🤣 🥰 AKA, that unit looks pretty robust. Edit: The more you take it apart; it seems they had the right idea but just kept dropping the ball. What a shame.

Just today I was just packing up our rack from an event, and it uses the exact same connector for power. Obviously the male version, so you need a cable with a female socket on the end to power it up. The padlock hole is for venues, wouldn't want someone poking around, figuring out the interlock and getting a shock. Or worse, unplugging a piece of equipment.

I installed a 32A socket in my garage. the bottom of the garage door has just enough of a gap for an EV charger cable when shut. Now I can plug in my home made EV charger. The internals stay in the garage.

There’s only one thing to do with this - take it to your local swimming pool and submerge it in the kids pool at 1 metre for 30 minutes!!! Then open it :-)

Did I hear you say 'LINE' instead of 'LIVE'? I looked everywhere and couldn't find any references to using this term. Is this also from the High Wycombe Conformity Assessment Committee?

@JulianIlett

2 жыл бұрын

John Ward puts it very eloquently here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/h3mot9mEk7W_o9Y.html

Your switch needs a little roof over it, Julian. Or a flap of pond-liner material draped over it, which would look very unprofessional. LOL

Did you notice that the switch does not have a valid CE symbol! So how did it get a UKCA mark on the front?

@JulianIlett

2 жыл бұрын

Well I'm giving it a HWCA (High Wycombe Conformity Assessed) marking :)

@ag.cousins

2 жыл бұрын

They aren’t the same thing!

@TheEmbeddedHobbyist

2 жыл бұрын

@@ag.cousins my point is how do you get a UKCA mark with parts of known quality like the switch. you might test the whole thing to show that it meets UKCA standards, but how do you know the next switch will be the same. if the switch had passed CE testing and marked with the correct CE marking and comes with a DOC then there is no problem using it.

@TheEmbeddedHobbyist

2 жыл бұрын

@@JulianIlett Like your thinking Julian, can i request a "DOC" for it! 🙂

@EsotericArctos

2 жыл бұрын

CE Marking doesn't really mean a lot. CE is a self certification and only tells you the company making the switch THINK the switch meets CE certification

Neat idea, but I’ve only seen the black foamy material used in weatherproofing applications, not IP67.

I would use this with a 2KW ~ 8KW LPG Generator (or 10KW Tri fuel) ready for the January +4 day Power & Gas rationing

@JulianIlett

2 жыл бұрын

Or an EV with V2L :)

@hi-tech-guy-1823

2 жыл бұрын

@@JulianIlett You do have that for silent mode however can you make it last 4 days

I think that you can mount that on an outside wall and run a cable through. Then as long as you terminate it in a normal 13A plug you don't have to follow any regulations. It is just a pluggble device that happens to be fixed to the wall. And IP67 notwithstanding I would still put sealer on that - I'm not convinced.

@JulianIlett

Жыл бұрын

I want to run this at (or near) the full 16A so the 13A plug idea can't be used. As far as the IP67 rating is concerned, it'll be fine inside a meter cabinet.

E-fixx recently did an episode on just this problem.

@JulianIlett

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I secretly watched that episode before I made this video :) kzread.info/dash/bejne/iI53m8GRm9fRmNI.html

But this is an over-engineered outlet. In the rest of Europe there are these sockets without a switch for in- and outside. So far nothing catastrophic has happened. Maybe you should build a shed, in it you put a box and in it the watertight socket. If that's enough...

The Toolstation number is 79209 and the picture they show is clearly of a different item to the one in this video although the supplier appears to be the same.

@JulianIlett

Жыл бұрын

That's the one. It does look a bit different in the Toolstation website - there's no grey pointer on the switch for starters.

@Graham_Langley

Жыл бұрын

@@JulianIlett And no reminder sticker, clearly needed judging from the number of reviews complaining they couldn't switch it on unless a plug was inserted.

When it is opened it looks like it has seen some things.

I noticed your "6BA" wrench, those are not easy to find in metric countries, the sellers in hardware stores don''t even know they do exist 😅 I have the whole set of BA wrenches I need them as I tinker aircraft parts.

@Graham_Langley

2 жыл бұрын

Actually BA threads are metric. 0BA is 6mm in diameter with a thread pitch of 1mm and a 0BA spanner is 10.5mm. Smaller sizes are mathematically derived from these dimensions.

@JulianIlett

Жыл бұрын

Those BA spanners are at least 40 years old :)

@Graham_Langley

Жыл бұрын

@@JulianIlett My set of Terrys flat ones are so old I can't remember where they came from.

These may break. I've one where the interlock is non functional, and the switch is locked on.

@JulianIlett

2 жыл бұрын

And the plug is locked in place?

@Chris-hq5zs

Жыл бұрын

@@JulianIlett Nope - the plug is removable - I think the shutter collapses or beaks.

Not able to take out the socket entirely an necessary.

To get IP67 rating, they are actually properly tested, so no matter what you may or may not think, they testing is done under the conditions as specified in the standard to get the rating. Unless you can test under the prescribed conditions and can prove it fails (in which case, it should be a warranty issue anyway) you really can not go making assumptions based on purely circumstantial evidence. If you are worried about the legality of installing the socket, would be probably better to actually ask a properly trained and licensed electrician prior to purchasing it. You will more than likely find the interlock is sufficient to be legal, but if you do not know the regulations, you should not be playing with mains wiring anyway. Sorry, to be so negative, but wild assumptions and lack of knowledge of regualtions annoy me, and comments are just our feelings and opinions :)

@Bob_Burton

2 жыл бұрын

Of course, now that Julian has taken it to bits and presumably put it back together it will need to be tested again to ascertain whether it still complies

@EsotericArctos

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bob_Burton Technically that would be right also. :)