14nm and 7nm are NOT what you think it is - Visiting Tescan Part 3/3

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  • @der8auer
    @der8auer3 жыл бұрын

    Massive thanks again to Tescan! I hope you enjoyed this video and maybe recommend it to your friends if you liked it. This was so much more work than expected :D

  • @facenameple4604

    @facenameple4604

    3 жыл бұрын

    Massive thanks for these videos, too. Good stuff.

  • @paulgray1318

    @paulgray1318

    3 жыл бұрын

    After watching this, I came away feeling that in a few years time, @Der8auer will be modding the chip die's.

  • @racerex340

    @racerex340

    3 жыл бұрын

    Very much enjoyed, thank you for doing this! 24 years ago, I worked at an optical storage array vendor back from 1995 through 1998,, and our latest primary logic chip was considered groundbreaking at 450nm, which we developed collaboratively with Symbios Logic (I was just a lowly QA engineer in my Sr year of high school).. After I left, the company eventually closed their doors in 2001 with their half of the rights to the chip technology sold to Symbios Logic, who at this point had been acquired by LSI Logic, which was eventually merged with Syntax and renamed to Engenio Information Technologies, who later spun off it and sold Engenio to NetApp back in 2011 for about $500M, who still makes and sells storage systems based on Symbios Logic technology as NetApp E-series nearly a quarter of a century later. It's crazy to realize that the storage logic controller technology we developed back in 1995 is still the foundation for Enterprise storage systems being produced today, and has probably been part of at least 1 trillion USD worth of storage systems sold over the past 25 years, and any of us that have ever used an LSI logic storage controller has run at least some of the storage IO logic that we developed so long ago. Also amazing is that I still find this stuff so interesting and exciting.

  • @randomstuff1669

    @randomstuff1669

    3 жыл бұрын

    Roman,my cousin. Your channel is too good.

  • @Climberman2379

    @Climberman2379

    3 жыл бұрын

    Would love to see a GAAFET video! Thanks for the great content

  • @AG-pm3tc
    @AG-pm3tc3 жыл бұрын

    This is some internet gold.

  • @der8auer

    @der8auer

    3 жыл бұрын

    thanks :)

  • @grizzly6699

    @grizzly6699

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Roman. Very insightful. Something AMD and Intel marketing don't want you to know.

  • @Bourinos02

    @Bourinos02

    3 жыл бұрын

    It is internet platinum!

  • @youtubevideo2607

    @youtubevideo2607

    3 жыл бұрын

    This was truly some internet gold about nanometers scaling. Wow. Very instructive video.

  • @jamesireland2732

    @jamesireland2732

    3 жыл бұрын

    @PewPewZee LawL You're entirely right. I hope that he will create a mirror of this and his video channel with BitChute to make sure that he cannot be deplatformed by censorship from KZread/Google or others.

  • @JayzBeerz
    @JayzBeerz3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for doing this video in English and German. I know it's a lot of work but thank you once again.

  • @der8auer

    @der8auer

    3 жыл бұрын

    thanks :)

  • @Bramon83

    @Bramon83

    3 жыл бұрын

    Definately thanks. I watched the bathtub water-cooling video in German. Didn't understand a word, understood everything.

  • @paulvancyber1979

    @paulvancyber1979

    3 жыл бұрын

    thanks!!!!

  • @lulkLogan

    @lulkLogan

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@der8auer For the record, I'd rather you just record one video in German, then just add subtitles. That way you're not having to interview people twice, and we get to see a more genuine conversation. Not a conversation repeated "for the cameras"

  • @rizqi-hiktakaewi678

    @rizqi-hiktakaewi678

    3 жыл бұрын

    I once thought der8auer used some sort of super-magical auto video translation thing before realizing he really done two videos everytime.

  • @ryanwood2110
    @ryanwood21103 жыл бұрын

    “It’s as stupid as what we just did”. Insight and humility which do not detract from this excellent video. Thanks bud! Nice one

  • @jaysoncronly7041

    @jaysoncronly7041

    3 жыл бұрын

    not really humility... he did the stupid thing to prove his own point. so it's more like condescension. which still doesn't detract from the excellence of the video :D

  • @harrypotter_petronus

    @harrypotter_petronus

    3 жыл бұрын

    agree to disagree

  • @remywinter2756
    @remywinter27563 жыл бұрын

    This reminds me of CSI. When they are like , "enhance that image" and proceed to read a licnese plate 30 miles away using a 2 megapixel security camera

  • @HentaiNat

    @HentaiNat

    3 жыл бұрын

    I don't why I read that as "kuzzy", like SCSI without the the S.

  • @flipflopp881

    @flipflopp881

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Aaron Morrow I don't think AI processing would be the right choice of a tool when solving crimes based on pictures as evidence ^^

  • @awilliams1701

    @awilliams1701

    3 жыл бұрын

    no, that was like 6 pixels making up the entire license plate. Then they pulled a zoomed in HD image out of their butt. I'm like yeah........complete BS.

  • @7rich79

    @7rich79

    3 жыл бұрын

    When you think you just got bitten by a mosquito, in reality it is an electron microscope pointing at you.

  • @CaveyMoth

    @CaveyMoth

    3 жыл бұрын

    Get me a hard copy right there.

  • @ohkay8939
    @ohkay89393 жыл бұрын

    "Which is ok I guess..." The look says "I'm not angry. Just.. disappointed" 😂 Thank you for doing all this. I knew the different processes effectively measure different things, but it's nice to see the transistors in the flesh. Not having multi-thousand pieces of equipment in my house, it's nice to be given this opportunity through your work and the cooperation of the nice people at Tescan. Thank you all very much n

  • @der8auer

    @der8auer

    3 жыл бұрын

    I had no expectations :D

  • @ohkay8939

    @ohkay8939

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@der8auer it was nice of the AMD engineer to take the time to have a proper chat though :)

  • @givinguff4292
    @givinguff42923 жыл бұрын

    This is the best visualization of finfet I've seen and i can finally see it in my brain. Thank you!

  • @facenameple4604
    @facenameple46043 жыл бұрын

    It's amazing to see the platinum build up, and the silicon "melting".

  • @SirNickyT

    @SirNickyT

    3 жыл бұрын

    I wonder how much platinum gas costs lol. Their byproduct and trash is literally gold lol.

  • @TWG_50
    @TWG_503 жыл бұрын

    Intel Blueberry AMD Strawberry These are the new CPUs 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @earthtaurus5515

    @earthtaurus5515

    3 жыл бұрын

    In time we'll probably see some AMD branded strawberries on the AMD fan merchandise website lol. When he said Blueberry, I immediately thought of Charlie and the chocolate factory where one of the characters turns into a blueberry (well sort of ) haha. After all Intel did sort of turn into a blueberry with ice lake on laptops 😅.

  • @BarryTGash

    @BarryTGash

    3 жыл бұрын

    Its better than Intel's current naming schema ;)

  • @Lishtenbird

    @Lishtenbird

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well, this would make pretty neat merch!

  • @indahouse7321

    @indahouse7321

    3 жыл бұрын

    That are actually great names imho xD

  • @LiLBitsDK

    @LiLBitsDK

    3 жыл бұрын

    I want a Raspberry CPU then

  • @chimpboy12345
    @chimpboy123453 жыл бұрын

    It's pretty much exactly what I expected. Gordon Ung said it ages ago; what TSMC is calling 7nm is basically what Intel are calling 10nm. The same as TSMC's 10nm was basically the same as Intel's 14nm. Or to put it another way, AMD CPUs aren't a 2 step smaller process than Intel, it's basically 1 step. That said, manufacturing at this scale still blows my mind. Very cool video Roman.

  • @surtrgio

    @surtrgio

    3 жыл бұрын

    It does make me then Wonder where Samsung's 8nm lies in between those two.

  • @markwei8108

    @markwei8108

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@surtrgio Going off of transistor density, it's somewhere between the two. Samsung's 7nm process uses EUV lithography which limits production capacity and increases cost whereas their 8nm does not. I'm guessing Nvidia just went for the cheap route.

  • @JeoshuaCollins

    @JeoshuaCollins

    3 жыл бұрын

    You kind of have to imagine the process as taking an image and drawing it onto the surface of the chip. Intel's images are lower resolution, but each transistor is fewer pixels. TSMC uses higher resolution but each transistor has more detail and more pixels in the source image.

  • @scarletspidernz

    @scarletspidernz

    3 жыл бұрын

    Except TSMC's 7nm has been working quite well while Intel has been struggling with 10nm

  • @longjohn526

    @longjohn526

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@markwei8108 That's really not an issue anymore at this time on Samsung's 7 nm node ..... In January it was still an issue so Nvidia couldn't really go with it but it's no longer a problem and IBM just made a large order for their new Power10 server CPUs on the 7 nm node ...... All the nonsense about there being a problem with Samsung 8 nm was pure bullsh*t and I suggest you stop listening to anyone who was spreading that bullsh*t because they have no credibility anymore ...... All Samsung phones have SoC's on that node since 1st Q 2019 and I've been making designs (Commercial HVAC and building control systems) around Samsung ARM SoC's off that node for almost 18 months Don't believe everything you hear on the Internet applies more today than it did even 25 years ago ......

  • @SirNickyT
    @SirNickyT3 жыл бұрын

    Can you show us how a silicon wafer or ingot is grown next? I've always wanted to see the process.

  • @sirmonkey1985

    @sirmonkey1985

    3 жыл бұрын

    likely will never happen.. that stuffs locked up tighter than Fort Knox and even if you some how managed to see how a semiconductor factory worked you'd never be able to speak about it.

  • @glenwaldrop8166

    @glenwaldrop8166

    3 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/k4uK29mhqtiunrQ.html

  • @devindykstra

    @devindykstra

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@sirmonkey1985 For 7nm stuff yeah they're super secretive. But foundries are pretty open about older processes. I'm pretty sure you can get some pretty amazing detail on 45nm for example.

  • @jefferywdonald

    @jefferywdonald

    3 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/c4Gbs5NmeMernLA.html

  • @protomors

    @protomors

    3 жыл бұрын

    If you did not see it at all, there are already videos of the process (sadly not in HD). This one kzread.info/dash/bejne/eGZ_xbyAp9Hal8o.html shows all steps of wafer manufacturing and has nice explanation. Just keep in mind that most modern fabs are using larger 300mm wafers so everything has to be scaled up. And this one kzread.info/dash/bejne/c4Gbs5NmeMernLA.html shows CG animation of the process (makes it easier to see what is happening). If you search, there are much more videos.

  • @Michael-OBrien
    @Michael-OBrien3 жыл бұрын

    The worth of this video [series] cannot be overstated. Thank you for this series, Roman.

  • @supremeboy
    @supremeboy3 жыл бұрын

    This was like watching surgery but on microscopic level. Very interesting and things only get even smaller soon 5nm and so on - mind blowing Thanks for the effort you put on this der8auer

  • @remcodelouw1968
    @remcodelouw19683 жыл бұрын

    I do Transmission Electron Microscopy as my work but this is on another level. And STEM is amazing I wish I can use that some day.

  • @IIARROWS
    @IIARROWS3 жыл бұрын

    This video gives me headache... I already watched electron microscope images, but this video is mind blowing. It's hard to comprehend how smalls current transistors are.

  • @TheCgOrion

    @TheCgOrion

    3 жыл бұрын

    I agree. 100 million transistors per square millimeter is insane!

  • @rickhapstley3866

    @rickhapstley3866

    3 жыл бұрын

    7nm is about 20 silicon ATOMS. Crazy to think there are billions of transistors in a modern chip

  • @astroboy2345
    @astroboy23453 жыл бұрын

    Really cool analysis. One quick comment. Few years ago, TSMC naming scheme for its process started to reflect the smallest feature it can print on a wafer, which is a "fin" of a finfet transistor. Therefore if you measure width of a fin (3D structure orthogonal to the gate), it should come out closer to a "7nm" give or take 1 or 2 nm. - at least for the first generation 7nm. But of course this makes measurement under the electron microscope that much more challenging. Intel 14nm still adheres to a older naming scheme, but it is roughly equivalent to TSMC 10nm half node process. Thought the ++++ may have shrunk it down to closer to 9nm. Most importantly the characteristic of the transistor is quite different. Ex. TSMC 7nm transistor can operate at a lower voltage and requires a lower voltage to turn it "on" or "off" at the gate. Therefore its dynamic power dissipation tends to be lower than that of Intel's 14nm per unit area.

  • @NizarElZarif

    @NizarElZarif

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think the Intel +++ is more about improvement in 3D fin structure for more frequency range, lower voltages, and higher yields rather than density improvement. I think they all know that now this is more of a marketing term that a physics. They know consumer cares about having smaller number so they give this.

  • @lars4065

    @lars4065

    3 жыл бұрын

    As far as I understand the 7nm should refer to the extension of the gate between the source and drain connections on the fin.

  • @jonathanmitchell9779

    @jonathanmitchell9779

    3 жыл бұрын

    Intel 14nm++++++++++++++(/s) fins are also roughly ~7nm, IIRC

  • @WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart

    @WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@NizarElZarif Improvements in process can even lead to increases in density, but not in performance per watt. That's how you see the so-called half-nodes, like Samsung's 8nm (Shrunk 10nm)

  • @JABelms

    @JABelms

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jonathanmitchell9779 The 14nm only stopped at +++, Rocket Lake will be made with the original 14nm node because the refinements did not make it overall better especially for desktop use

  • @JumpingJack6
    @JumpingJack63 жыл бұрын

    Thank you ! Driving home that the “nm” node of these companies are not comparable is really important - it has more to do with marketing and PR more than a technical rationale.

  • @dagarath
    @dagarath3 жыл бұрын

    This was the coolest and most informative CPU video I have ever seen.

  • @jiamingzuo9416
    @jiamingzuo94163 жыл бұрын

    Even those 7n, 14n and so on numbers do not really matter, this video series does matter an immense lot. Thank you so much Roman and all the people worked for this piece, the trilogy provided the information probably no one put out before and it's very interesting, educational, and helpful! And thanks always bother to invest your time to make an English version of the videos!

  • @RaistlinMaj
    @RaistlinMaj3 жыл бұрын

    Sometimes the KZread algorithm does its job. I'm so happy to have found this video.

  • @jamesireland2732

    @jamesireland2732

    3 жыл бұрын

    Please don't say that or Google will change it to make it not work!

  • @ctrlectrld
    @ctrlectrld3 жыл бұрын

    This kept me glued to the screen like a kid. Amazing content Roman!

  • @mojeimja
    @mojeimja3 жыл бұрын

    14:32 the cat doesn't seem to be amused with the marketing vs. actual sizes :)

  • @mrkitty777

    @mrkitty777

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's my cousin ginger cat 😼🤭

  • @earthtaurus5515
    @earthtaurus55153 жыл бұрын

    Just... wow... mind blowing images the transistors. Thank you and Tescan for the time + hard work in bringing these series of amazing videos for us to watch and learn from.

  • @samyateia5908
    @samyateia59082 жыл бұрын

    This is so cool. Seeing the footage of the actual cutting of the chip and preparation of the samples. Thank you for going into such a detail!

  • @Trumanlol86
    @Trumanlol863 жыл бұрын

    This is one of the most interesting videos I've ever watched.

  • @imeryakwut6437
    @imeryakwut64373 жыл бұрын

    14:55 Cat is not in a focus. Literally unwatchable.

  • @mrkitty777

    @mrkitty777

    3 жыл бұрын

    Meow 😼

  • @Toleot

    @Toleot

    3 жыл бұрын

    Agree! We need more focus on that good looking orange cat.

  • @loop5720

    @loop5720

    3 жыл бұрын

    THAT CAT IS SO CUTE

  • @havanowoncheese
    @havanowoncheese3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for making these videos. This is seriously mind blowing stuff. Amazing how these engineers manage create these architectures.

  • @jtmcgee
    @jtmcgee3 жыл бұрын

    Always appreciate the efforts you go to and the information you provide. Thank you.

  • @daveoatway6126
    @daveoatway61263 жыл бұрын

    Great comment: "It's not that simple" Thank you for an incredible look at the insides of our current technology used in our phones and computers. Sure come a long way from the days when we could see the structures through the windows on EPROMS! I look forward to the next generation!

  • @HailAzathoth
    @HailAzathoth3 жыл бұрын

    Tescan SEMs are awesome, some of the best I've ever used.

  • @losergamer04
    @losergamer043 жыл бұрын

    I had no idea hook how long and detailed this process is. Thank you and the lab for doing this. Truly fascinating.

  • @mojojomo6750
    @mojojomo67503 жыл бұрын

    Excellent. Not too many YT channels are capable of investigating these seemingly unknowable questions, given the scales involved. I feel like I've learned something after watching this.

  • @davidobutt
    @davidobutt3 жыл бұрын

    This was an amazing way to show my son how a cpu looks and works. Reminded me about the tech shows i used to watch on BBC 2 in the early 80's Way more in depth explanations of what it's all about.

  • @ToTheGAMES

    @ToTheGAMES

    3 жыл бұрын

    Computer CHronicles perhaps?

  • @davidobutt

    @davidobutt

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ToTheGAMES Not sure but it was always on around 10am and had a segment for school's that we all watched as school children in class in 85

  • @doneldTrumpet

    @doneldTrumpet

    3 жыл бұрын

    BBC 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿

  • @caleb70001

    @caleb70001

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ToTheGAMES NNN on ok on

  • @spenmac
    @spenmac3 жыл бұрын

    Nice work Roman, and nice of Amd to have an engineer contact you etc.

  • @shorthsht8906
    @shorthsht89063 жыл бұрын

    Super insightful video, thank you for all the hard work that went into making this video!

  • @somakun1806
    @somakun18063 жыл бұрын

    I've been looking for video that can show how transister looks like... Finally found this GOLD channel.

  • @TWG_50
    @TWG_503 жыл бұрын

    Thank you der8auer for making this video. After seeing this,it makes me really think where we are now in this present century.. How far the technology has evolved in the last decades... Also,numbers are just "numbers". It's the performance which matters.

  • @88Cardey
    @88Cardey3 жыл бұрын

    This was fascinating, thanks. It answered several questions I'd often wondered about. I wondered how they were getting around the problem quantum tunnelling at 7nm and now even 5nm but I see they're just not quite at the scale for it to be a problem in reality...

  • @coltonbucholz6278
    @coltonbucholz62783 жыл бұрын

    These vids deserve far more views!! awesome job and thank you for creating an english version!

  • @beloit9115
    @beloit91153 жыл бұрын

    I love this kind of stuff! Excellent work showing the deep technical detail in these chips in such a way as to give us a physical reference for how incredibly complex and small these wonders of modern technology are.

  • @soloman981
    @soloman9813 жыл бұрын

    18:29 AMD THREADRIRRRRR

  • @viniapiaia
    @viniapiaia3 жыл бұрын

    Have been waiting for this, thank you

  • @Niyazmen
    @Niyazmen3 жыл бұрын

    This is an Uncountable amount of work you and lab guys did, thanks a lot!

  • @tobyrabbit7948
    @tobyrabbit79483 жыл бұрын

    WOW! Amazing Video! So Happy I found this!!! Thank You for the time and effort you put into this.

  • @wartortle7262
    @wartortle72623 жыл бұрын

    I'm sticking with AMD strawberries.

  • @pino_de_vogel

    @pino_de_vogel

    3 жыл бұрын

    Meh i have 1000+ strawberry plants ill go with intel fruit.

  • @threecats8219

    @threecats8219

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah that sounds like a plan.

  • @lel3019

    @lel3019

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Bruce Wang nope team cyan or team yellow are better than team red

  • @geoffstrickler

    @geoffstrickler

    3 жыл бұрын

    Which is worse, strawberry allergy or blueberry allergy? 😎

  • @ijustsawthat
    @ijustsawthat3 жыл бұрын

    Der8aeur : if you can cut that 7nm transistor to me that would be great. Operator : pilot_sweating_meme.png

  • @garethevans9789

    @garethevans9789

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank scale makes a surgeon's steady hand look like a drunk person. (I have a surgeon who wants to run some wires down my spine (a Spinal Cord Stimulator/ SCS), I'm not keen on the idea).

  • @CoDJumpMaster
    @CoDJumpMaster3 жыл бұрын

    Very cool! I was entranced just watching the process of this, and trying to wrap my head around the incredible size scale. Especially when the needle was being attached.

  • @RaduGostian
    @RaduGostian3 жыл бұрын

    Wow! Great work! Never expected to get this much quality information out of KZread video.

  • @jann5s___
    @jann5s___3 жыл бұрын

    Intel and TMSC (and others) are buying the lithography machines to manufacture their architectures at the same company (ASML). To me it is logical that they should have about the same spatial definition.

  • @soylentgreenb

    @soylentgreenb

    3 жыл бұрын

    Intels 10 nm is produced with the same 193 nm light (deep UV) as their 65 nm node was/is. How do you make features smaller than the wavelength of light? Self-aligned multipatterning and immersion lithography. TSMC used to use DUV for 7 nm but now use 13.5 nm EUV wavelength of light and features are approximately the same size as their old DUV 7 nm process. The wavelength of light is less relevant than you expect and improvements in lithography happens much faster than the improvement in light source.

  • @NizarElZarif

    @NizarElZarif

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@soylentgreenb I think intel was planning to move to EUV on 7nm wth GAAFET transisitor but they are facing roadblocks and delays. TSMC has some part of the process EUV in N7, i think N7+ has even more EUV processes, but 5nm should be fully EUV but want FAAFET at 3 or 2nm.

  • @ledoynier3694

    @ledoynier3694

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's just a lithography tool. it only does what the process engineers make it do. It's like saying your auntie's pie is as good as my grandma's because they use the same oven :) They have the same capability, but it doesn't make any silicon comparison possible.

  • @CyrusTabery

    @CyrusTabery

    3 жыл бұрын

    Le Doynier overlay is the key driver of yield and leakage

  • @shlokdave6360
    @shlokdave63603 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot man! That was super useful. Did you know the answer to your question before your discussion with the AMD engineer? I for one genuinely thought that 7nm amd could be compared with 14nm Intel- not half the size, but still comparable. Now we know why thats wrong. Thanks again!

  • @EDHCoffee
    @EDHCoffee3 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely incredible research. Doing great service.

  • @nissejacke4211
    @nissejacke42113 жыл бұрын

    Awesome! Thank you for doing this and share it with us so that we can understand more about tech!

  • @Bramon83
    @Bramon833 жыл бұрын

    One of the coolest videos I've seen. So cool, so informative.

  • @Lisa_Minci96
    @Lisa_Minci963 жыл бұрын

    "Just look at benchmarks" That gets a like from me!

  • @rodrirm
    @rodrirm3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you and Tescan for sharing this with us!!!

  • @madcatattack1
    @madcatattack13 жыл бұрын

    Wonderful series. Thank you for sharing!

  • @SirNickyT
    @SirNickyT3 жыл бұрын

    Just starting the video, over the passed 10 years ive assumed the NM number was just a marketing term for the fab to convey generational improvements and that the actual number was close but not accurate.

  • @mehdidamfs3112

    @mehdidamfs3112

    3 жыл бұрын

    Few years ago i've seen an article about it ,they said that intel 10nm is more dense then TSMC 7nm . At that time i tarted wondering if the numbers are just marketing stuff

  • @givinguff4292

    @givinguff4292

    3 жыл бұрын

    I mean you weren't too far off!

  • @JirayD

    @JirayD

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mehdidamfs3112 Wait, it's all marketing? Always has been.

  • @rossharper1983

    @rossharper1983

    3 жыл бұрын

    Your right, because Intel has had some 8nm gates since Haswell. But continued to name it 14nm based on the majority of the gates

  • @mehdidamfs3112

    @mehdidamfs3112

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JirayD i know it marketing , but i didn't know that the naming is purely marketing , i thought it is based on real lithography numbers

  • @matze1508
    @matze15083 жыл бұрын

    Really amazing work and pictures! Have you tried getting in contact with ASML or ZEISS for a little showcase of how these tiny structures even get produced? In my opinion the next logical step :D Thanks a lot for your amazing content!

  • @Djuntas

    @Djuntas

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, ASML is almost close to German as well. Would be awesome.

  • @diavalus

    @diavalus

    3 жыл бұрын

    That would be nice, although maybe impossible.

  • @shrap8

    @shrap8

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@diavalus why? ASML would benefit from showing off and talking about their technology

  • @Quizack
    @Quizack2 жыл бұрын

    This is absolutely insane! I can’t believe how much precision is involved in this.

  • @tetradb_
    @tetradb_2 жыл бұрын

    Super interesting video, thanks for sharing such an insightful look at the transistor tech used in these processors.

  • @the-wert
    @the-wert3 жыл бұрын

    To me statement that processor was made in 7nm or 14nm lithography means that smallest transistors in such product will be that size but there can be bigger ones. Generally with the smaller lithography the average transistor count per area should increase. Let's see how wrong I am... Edit: Well, my second sentence was quite correct...

  • @NizarElZarif

    @NizarElZarif

    3 жыл бұрын

    the 14,10 nm should refer to the gate size, not the transistor size. At least in the old process. Nowadays, they are more marketing terms than actual sizes. Samsung is probably the worst in this regard, where 14nm is basically a FinFet of a version of their 20nm with no improvement to density (but huge improvement to power efficiency and frequency because of FinFets). their new 8nm used by Nvidia is an Nvidia optimized version of their 10nm.

  • @maxemore
    @maxemore3 жыл бұрын

    So intel or amd or any foundry for that matter could "move" to a smaller node just by making optimizations to the existing one and changing the name

  • @Megalomaniakaal

    @Megalomaniakaal

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah intel could have reasonably have named the 14+++++ 10 instead. But they didn't want to.

  • @Jaker788

    @Jaker788

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Megalomaniakaal well the 14nm density hasn't increased with a +, it actually was just better frequency/voltage curves and ++ actually loosened the density a bit. TSMC doesn't use a + unless its a density and power improvement, like N7+ and N5+ both have around 10-15% density improvements and power or performance improvements. Samsung does have their 8nm and 10nm that are similar, and I'm not sure what the improvements between those are.

  • @HungLe-ig7nj
    @HungLe-ig7nj3 жыл бұрын

    Perfect ! This is how youtube and tech channel should be. I have enough of stupid joke script, and repeated news.

  • @jmtyodi
    @jmtyodi3 жыл бұрын

    Roman many thanks for this exemplary series, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thank you.

  • @maxcaldwell8318
    @maxcaldwell83183 жыл бұрын

    Not all transistors in a CPU are the same size, so how do you know that you got the smallest transistors?

  • @garagatza

    @garagatza

    3 жыл бұрын

    This is the best observation for the video! Good catch.

  • @aaronh6734

    @aaronh6734

    3 жыл бұрын

    He does specify later that he asked an AMD engineer if he got the right data and it was confirmed.

  • @edwardecl
    @edwardecl3 жыл бұрын

    Performance per watt is the only metric that matters, well when comparing closely matched products.

  • @saimanojkaja8433
    @saimanojkaja84333 жыл бұрын

    Superb analysis and explanation. Thanks for this video

  • @AivL
    @AivL3 жыл бұрын

    Man I was waiting for this, really really big thanks for doing this!!!!

  • @snakeatwar
    @snakeatwar3 жыл бұрын

    Before the video, it's been my impression that intel's process is smaller per nm than TSMC's. If I had to take a guess, I'd say that if we were to put 14nm Intel on the TSMC scale, it'd be around 10nm.

  • @kopasz777
    @kopasz7773 жыл бұрын

    nm became a meaningless marketing term. It would be difficult to educate end-consumers about a given process's characteristics.

  • @HaswellCore

    @HaswellCore

    3 жыл бұрын

    its a bit like only talking about horse powers and not about torque

  • @technicalmachine1671

    @technicalmachine1671

    3 жыл бұрын

    Blast processing

  • @anonanumerical367
    @anonanumerical3673 жыл бұрын

    Dude you're awesome!!!! Thank you for putting the videos up in english in addition to german, it's really appreciated

  • @sadrhogollsodia9505
    @sadrhogollsodia9505 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for this series.

  • @Mp57navy
    @Mp57navy3 жыл бұрын

    "So, here we have a piece of silicone about as long as the third of a human hair's width. Let's shave some off the edge, and glue it somewhere. Then zoom into it a couple thousand times while shining an electron beam through it." JFC, that hurts my brain it's so small.

  • @kklogins
    @kklogins3 жыл бұрын

    "Hey Intel care to comment on why your competitor uses a metric that makes it seem like their products are twice as good as yours, while in reality you 2 are closer than everyone thinks?" intel: ..................... ... I guess Intel is still sleeping on the job ...

  • @bouxesas2046

    @bouxesas2046

    3 жыл бұрын

    Actually Intel was not closer, and that was the problem. If Intel could compete with TSMC manufacturing process, they would also pack 16 cores on a desktop CPU - something that they could not do obviously.

  • @proslackergamer

    @proslackergamer

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@bouxesas2046 "I too am not an industry expert but make claims about industry problems" (Putting 16 cores on a package is more difficult than just the node size)

  • @humanbeing9079

    @humanbeing9079

    3 жыл бұрын

    There has never been a standard to measuring "nm" across Fabs, it's more marketing than anything. Intel can name their process whatever they want.

  • @coopercoldwell

    @coopercoldwell

    3 жыл бұрын

    Bouxesas it’s not that simple. AMD combines multiple ‘chiplets’, each with several cores, to make a 16 core cpu. Intel has a monolithic design where all the cores are on one piece of silicon. While AMD’s approach gives higher yields, it introduces latency because chiplets now have to communicate across a greater distance than if the cores were all on one die. Also, don’t forget that intel DOES have >16 core cpus, they’re just marked as Extreme or Xeon SKUs

  • @ctrlectrld

    @ctrlectrld

    3 жыл бұрын

    TSMC is not Intel's competitor. If TMSC call their process node 7nm, what should AMD do? edit: I stand corrected, they technically are. My bad, I thought you were talking about AMD. My point about AMD still stands tho'.

  • @OmahcronOmni
    @OmahcronOmni3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Derbauer that was something I will cherish its always facinated me how they pack the transistors in chip not many tech channels show the inner workings.

  • @VariabilidadVisual
    @VariabilidadVisual3 жыл бұрын

    OMG. This serie was amazing. Thank you for the research.

  • @CaveyMoth
    @CaveyMoth3 жыл бұрын

    I love the AMD Strawberry process, as opposed to Intel Blueberry+++.

  • @mario110cc
    @mario110cc3 жыл бұрын

    Intels reaction: Images from our cpu tech -> lawyer comes to your office xd

  • @lorenhusky2717
    @lorenhusky27173 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic video, one of the best I've seen. Thank you for the enlightenment and the entertainment.

  • @The93DarkShadow
    @The93DarkShadow3 жыл бұрын

    Amazing work. Thank you for delivering such interesting information in your videos.

  • @Lishtenbird
    @Lishtenbird3 жыл бұрын

    14 and 7 transistor nanometers are like 20 centimeter fans: you'd think the number would mean something, but everyone makes whatever the hell they want.

  • @HitNail1
    @HitNail13 жыл бұрын

    I think they're marketing buzzwords that both companies have allowed to be accepted because it lets them *both* pretend like they're making more advancements than they are. Now let's watch and see if I'm right.

  • @HitNail1

    @HitNail1

    3 жыл бұрын

    Fuck'n nailed it.

  • @kelrune
    @kelrune3 жыл бұрын

    i know this content isnt the kind that gets you the most views. but i think this is amazing. Keep doing this kind of work. i love the science of how it works. gives me a great understanding of the product Danke

  • @der8auer

    @der8auer

    3 жыл бұрын

    thanks! Yes I agree it's not the massive views clickbait stuff but the content which means the most to me

  • @ryanphillips3540
    @ryanphillips35403 жыл бұрын

    Wow Tescan are absolute legends for letting you use there machines. The videos were fantastic as well Der8auer.

  • @der8auer

    @der8auer

    3 жыл бұрын

    thanks!

  • @seklay
    @seklay3 жыл бұрын

    Today I learned: "nm" stands for "nonsensical metric"

  • @TomaMarini
    @TomaMarini3 жыл бұрын

    7/14 nm means nothing, just marketing fluff :)

  • @sjn8099
    @sjn80993 жыл бұрын

    Danke. Tolle Arbeit und viel Mühe :)

  • @larryboles629
    @larryboles6293 жыл бұрын

    AMAZING VIDEO!! Thanks so much for your efforts, and kudos to TESCAN!!

  • @phil1pd
    @phil1pd3 жыл бұрын

    I could watch a video like this for hours, thank you!!

  • @kenichik.2782
    @kenichik.27823 жыл бұрын

    Almost completing the IC designing module using Pyxis, to see the actual transistor and not just in CAD is a real eye-opener! Thanks.

  • @abelpereira5043
    @abelpereira50433 жыл бұрын

    Well, this was quite an informative video! Splendid work and thanks for posting this.

  • @BikeOnRoadLondon
    @BikeOnRoadLondon3 жыл бұрын

    Awesome experiment and awesome summary at the end.

  • @merry1694
    @merry16943 жыл бұрын

    Amazing work, der8auer. Thanks for clarifying!

  • @osamadessouky802
    @osamadessouky8023 жыл бұрын

    Very informative! Thanks and well done.

  • @SWEJmeister
    @SWEJmeister3 жыл бұрын

    Impressive work Roman.

  • @fakeplasticmike
    @fakeplasticmike3 жыл бұрын

    This was a fantastically informative video. THANK YOU!

  • @dw8555
    @dw85553 жыл бұрын

    Roman, this is terrific stuff!! Very important to understand! Thank you!!!

  • @poiu477
    @poiu4773 жыл бұрын

    HELLO WELKUM BACK TO NEW VIDEO!!!! jeez okay roman thank you for blasting my eardrums with your infectious enthusiasm

  • @liftedcj7on44s
    @liftedcj7on44s3 жыл бұрын

    Holy crap, this was absolutely amazing. Great job!

  • @chunkylover53ataol
    @chunkylover53ataol3 жыл бұрын

    Great content! Super amazing and incredibly informative! Thank you der8auer!!!

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