PHYSICS of your PROCESSOR. Problem of the nanometer limit

Ғылым және технология

We all know that modern processors are works of art with billions of transistors inside, but why is it so difficult to create them? Why have the technical processes of the last 10 years been pure marketing? Let's dive into the physics of our processor, what photolithography is and what difficulties its application has.
00:00 - Entry
00:47 - Photolithography and process node - how are they related?
07:23 - Extreme ultraviolet
10:33 - X-ray
#mycomputer #processor #silicon

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  • @RWBHere
    @RWBHere Жыл бұрын

    In the early 1980's I was using near UV light for making discrete bipolar transistors with 1 micron wide surface features. A 1 micron line is a fuzzy blur at those wavelengths. We were using alignment marks on opposite sides of a 50 to 75 mm wide Silicon wafer which made use of that blurriness. When you have two concentric rectangles, an interference pattern becomes visible between their respective edges. So the wafers could be aligned manually in 4 degrees of freedom (left-right, up-down, rotationally, focal depth) to an accuracy of about 0.1 micron at an alignment mark spacing of more than 70 mm. Mask alignment across that distance is therefore incredibly precise. Modern wafers are maybe bigger than 300 mm in diameter, and similar mask alignment techniques are still used at far UV wavelengths. So what this means is that chip surface features somewhat smaller than the wavelength of the light used can be produced. Chip quality always varies across the wafer, no matter how precisely all parameters are controlled, even ignoring Silicon lattice faults and the inevitable residual contamination which occurs at all stages of production Even with simple transistors, one small wafer can yield a range of devices from very close to the theoretical limits to totally useless. And as you say, the higher the device complexity and the smaller the elements of that device, the more faults accumulate, and the lower good yields result. Even with ion deposition, there will always be anomalies. Wafer fabrication engineers have been known to refer to their skills as being very much like cooking; no two sessions result in precisely the same outcome. There is as much art as there is science, mathematics, and a wide range of other skills, along with years of experience in the production of high quality semiconductor devices. Their retail prices really are justified.

  • @ShawnRitch
    @ShawnRitch Жыл бұрын

    This is the most comprehensive explanation I have heard yet about modern processors. Great work -- Thank you :)

  • @larxenekingdomheart422

    @larxenekingdomheart422

    Жыл бұрын

    P

  • @larxenekingdomheart422

    @larxenekingdomheart422

    Жыл бұрын

    Lll

  • @riseandshinemrfriman5925

    @riseandshinemrfriman5925

    Жыл бұрын

    I second that.

  • @dilipdas5777
    @dilipdas5777 Жыл бұрын

    Most underrated channel. Should have millions views

  • @Adrninistrator
    @Adrninistrator Жыл бұрын

    Many channels explain this matter only about quantum channeling Glad you explain other things you're the best sir

  • @krozareq
    @krozareq Жыл бұрын

    We're reaching a limit with current technologies in hardware. New technologies that meet the thermal, cost and conductivity requirements, and can be mass produced to take over from the current generation is going to bring with it some growing pains. Really demonstrates the importance of software to take up the slack in the meantime. New algorithms, better use of parallelization, etc. are going to be vital. Low level programming is far from dead and a lot of the open source, low level C dependencies, that has been the backbone of modern software for decades will need some rethinking or be entirely re-written. Poorly optimized software has been too reliant on increasingly faster hardware. The lessons learned by the old guard of software engineering are dying off, with preference of merely learning and using high level frameworks. In the meantime, our digital infrastructure is built on a 40-50-year-old foundation.

  • @Phasma6969

    @Phasma6969

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah software nowadays is incredibly bloated

  • @creeper6530

    @creeper6530

    5 ай бұрын

    I just wait for the day that people figure out Windows NT isn't efficient enough because of its age and will switch to Linux

  • @MakeshiftMartyr
    @MakeshiftMartyr3 ай бұрын

    This is information I didn’t know I wanted to know but I’m glad I found this channel. Great video

  • @abracadabra1359
    @abracadabra1359 Жыл бұрын

    Nice info, excellent, hope videos rare like these and detailed come in future for us to understand simply

  • @Roland_Deschain_of_Gilead19
    @Roland_Deschain_of_Gilead19 Жыл бұрын

    This is so fascinating! Thanks for all the work you dis putting this all together and explaining it so well!

  • @LilyVale-gi3si
    @LilyVale-gi3si Жыл бұрын

    It is crazy to think that in our world something unpredictable in it's true nature yields predictable patterns just further outside its scope

  • @David-Zita
    @David-Zita Жыл бұрын

    please make podcasts this was cool and educational , your voice will will make you a lot of money.

  • @vlad_tlt
    @vlad_tlt Жыл бұрын

    Спасибо, было интересно! )

  • @AllemandInstable
    @AllemandInstable Жыл бұрын

    simply explained and with enough details for someone that has had few physics courses but continued on another path impressive work mate

  • @ruperterskin2117
    @ruperterskin2117 Жыл бұрын

    Cool. Thanks for sharing.

  • @wintelohno1463
    @wintelohno1463 Жыл бұрын

    very informative... love this channel

  • @andrej_sefcik
    @andrej_sefcik Жыл бұрын

    Another amazing video, keep em coming!

  • @haroldseaman4243
    @haroldseaman424311 ай бұрын

    Very cool just being your average high school graduate made it extremely easy to follow!! I'm coming up on 50 and wished I had access to videos like this in my youth probably would of went farther in my education. Damn MTV been a drummer since I was 6 🤣!

  • @BluesJammer69
    @BluesJammer69 Жыл бұрын

    i worked in a wafer fab for 20 years...I learned more about it in 13 mins...nice stuff there!

  • @gkdresden
    @gkdresden11 ай бұрын

    I think from the viewpoint of electronics we have to live with the structural limits of solid state physics. If we like it or not, the lateral limit is several atomic distances. If you go below it the structures become thermally unstable and you get a lot of throuble with electro-migration. The current densities in the metal layer structures are allready now in the order of macroscopic superconducting structures (wires and tapes). I think the limit will be around 1 nm. This is also the order of magnitude where we come to atomic clusters and the materials loose their bulk properties. The material behavior becomes more and more domiated by surface physics. I am also impressed that the phototoresist itself is capable to depict such small structures.

  • @ericwaweru4043
    @ericwaweru4043 Жыл бұрын

    Nice video You may have also mentioned technologies such as multi patterning And the shift to more of task specific silicon instead of general compute,

  • @aternias
    @aternias Жыл бұрын

    Great video MK!

  • @GeoffryGifari
    @GeoffryGifari3 ай бұрын

    Its wild that chip manufacturing got so far that quantum uncertainty needs to be taken seriously

  • @Johan-rm6ec
    @Johan-rm6ec Жыл бұрын

    No fluff straight to the core, excellent video as only eastern europeans can make.

  • @Avve22
    @Avve22 Жыл бұрын

    From a new viewer of your channel: Good info, I was expecting you to cover the Gate-leakage current too, which would become a headache when we reach near 1nm process node..

  • @Beavernator
    @Beavernator Жыл бұрын

    Time for a modern renaissance of efficiency, and programming that actually uses the tech we currently have... Stagnation should breed some creativity...

  • @Harvey_Pekar

    @Harvey_Pekar

    Жыл бұрын

    Agreed

  • @FreeXPie
    @FreeXPie Жыл бұрын

    Well done

  • @GeoffryGifari
    @GeoffryGifari3 ай бұрын

    Can the engineers even _control_ x-rays to the precision required for photolithography?

  • @sneakycactus8815
    @sneakycactus8815 Жыл бұрын

    3:33 SPACE RANGERS SOUNDTRACK!!! totally makes sense since this is a russian channel, but holy shit this was a wonderful surprise.

  • @sheeftz
    @sheeftz Жыл бұрын

    Это канал "Мой Компьютер" решил покорять иностранный сегмент? Музыка то я знаю откуда.

  • @paulkschan7640
    @paulkschan7640 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @johndoh5182
    @johndoh5182 Жыл бұрын

    Right, the distance a signal can travel inside the die is not relevant because the die is tiny and the layout of transistors on a die ensure that signals that are generated don't need to travel the length of the die. So, what matters is how fast you can switch a transistor on and off. What also matters is how much resistance this creates and how much resistance there is in the circuit in general at very high frequencies, which is what increases power consumption and heat. In general the higher the frequency the more perfect the construction needs to be. Imperfections create resistance. But that's the hard part, etching a circuit ever smaller, but having to make it more perfect.

  • @ankitkhandelwal426
    @ankitkhandelwal426 Жыл бұрын

    wonderful

  • @GeoffryGifari
    @GeoffryGifari3 ай бұрын

    What are the difficulties of stacking the silicon chips to make a 3D structure?

  • @Maltebyte2
    @Maltebyte2 Жыл бұрын

    Crazy that we dont get a simillar effect to the double slit experiment when making these 10nm nodes!

  • @MauricioKanada
    @MauricioKanada Жыл бұрын

    In my enormous (obvious not) knowledge, I think that the faster solution is chip stacking. It could aliviate the problem of the distance that the signals need to travel.

  • @bicualexandru246
    @bicualexandru2464 ай бұрын

    i can't believe you used parts of the soundtrack from Space Rangers. going to sub just for that. excellent taste

  • @reizinhodojogo3956
    @reizinhodojogo3956 Жыл бұрын

    2:15 give credits to the background video, i remember seeing a video about diy lithography thing with micrometer(i forgot video title) and it had this part

  • @ArifGhostwriter
    @ArifGhostwriter4 ай бұрын

    👍🏽 🇬🇧 January 2024 A subject as interesting as it is complex - treated brilliantly & edifyingly.

  • @bassplayer3974
    @bassplayer3974 Жыл бұрын

    There quite creative be plenty of work arounds and fudges for performance till a replacement found

  • @kayakMike1000
    @kayakMike1000 Жыл бұрын

    What about a substrate that stands up to heat better? Diamond semiconductors might be able to clock much faster.

  • @cabanford
    @cabanford Жыл бұрын

    Sound sync issues. Otherwise nice work 👍

  • @vadulme8640

    @vadulme8640

    Жыл бұрын

    Ah shit, here we go again... It's not poor sync, it's a dub. Can't be perfect, but we did it as best we could.

  • @cabanford

    @cabanford

    Жыл бұрын

    @@vadulme8640 that explains it! Sorry for the noise 😬🙂

  • @yakovyuzhakov5688

    @yakovyuzhakov5688

    Жыл бұрын

    Would be awesome to see your most recent content as well

  • @baardi2

    @baardi2

    Жыл бұрын

    It's dubbed from russian

  • @VihangaIndusara

    @VihangaIndusara

    Жыл бұрын

    He's speaking in a different language btw

  • @uwuclxdy
    @uwuclxdy Жыл бұрын

    Bro do you know how to sync audio with video? At least check before upload next time

  • @MrGsxrme
    @MrGsxrme Жыл бұрын

    I'm thinking stopping at 3-4nm for awhile and bringing us HMB ram on the CPU die and removing the normal DDR sockets. Extremely high cache on the CPU with 512mb shared cache and HMB ram would be fantastic.

  • @elcebollon7750

    @elcebollon7750

    Жыл бұрын

    I don't know if in misunderstood something about a video he made before, but he said that it cannot go lower than 5nm.

  • @MickenCZProfi

    @MickenCZProfi

    Жыл бұрын

    @@elcebollon7750 In that case he got clowned, RTX 4000 series uses 4nm and 3nm is currently being produced by TSMC and bought mostly by Apple for the future M3.

  • @elcebollon7750

    @elcebollon7750

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MickenCZProfi it was my bad, i look it up and the silicone atom is 0.2 nanometer and china made a 0.3 nanometer transistor, also there is a chip with 0.5 nanometers transistors that can switch from insulator to conductor, so probably I heard wrong.

  • @ricerob
    @ricerob Жыл бұрын

    You left out the fact that each layer requires a separate mask and there may be up to 25 layers on each chip so that each wafer will have to go through the photo lithography machine 25 times

  • @totallymady42069
    @totallymady42069 Жыл бұрын

    Shame about the audio syncing, otherwise a perfect explanation of modern processors

  • @treyquattro
    @treyquattro Жыл бұрын

    are these videos shot in Russian and later dubbed into English? The first video I watched I thought the audio was out of sync with the video, but it seems like it wasn't just a one-off. Nothing wrong with it, just wondering.

  • @aldrighi
    @aldrighi Жыл бұрын

    Nasa has the power of a 286 processor to sent a man to the moon. We need 3GHz to play candy crush.

  • @DarkAngel-dc3te
    @DarkAngel-dc3te Жыл бұрын

    Can't wait for quantum computer

  • @suburbia2050
    @suburbia2050 Жыл бұрын

    A pause in chip fabrication advances aimed only at processor speed may actually have some positives, it will incentivise more efficient code and delay mass-unemployment due to AI

  • @gez_4515
    @gez_4515 Жыл бұрын

    Music from The Space Rangers II?? WOAH

  • @jozsiolah1435
    @jozsiolah1435 Жыл бұрын

    I counted the leads of the Intel Core 2 Duo, and the Intel Pentium Dual core. The Core 2 Duo was rated at 2 Ghz, 2 mb cache. The Pentium was rated at 2.2 Ghz, 1 mb cache. The Core 2 Duo laptop cpu had about 5-10 more strings than the other one, but I couldn’t count them exactly.

  • @nicks4597
    @nicks4597 Жыл бұрын

    audio not synced

  • @TacticalTrucker
    @TacticalTrucker Жыл бұрын

    _Actually, it’s the closer the transistors are the faster it operates, this is a knowledge by AMD’ˢ R&D department, The problem is overheating and performance, this was AMD’s biggest Challenge to defeat Intel_ _Nevertheless, AMD was able to overcome the heating issue, the performance was still down, so what they did was incorporated, the north bridge processor into the CPU, giving birth to AMD’s APU, this allowed the CPU/APU to have its own direct communication to other processes on the motherboard; although they were not able to increase performance, they were able to increase efficiency_ _This reduce bottlenecking, and decreased motherboard resources, allowing for a smaller motherboard, using less power; with this kind of processor, there would be no need to increase speed of the CPU if you can reduce the bottlenecking through the motherboard; CPU speed is contingent upon other processors on the motherboard_

  • @hercavotica
    @hercavotica Жыл бұрын

    what about 4nm mobile chips? are they really 4nm?

  • @ovcharkaboxing
    @ovcharkaboxing9 ай бұрын

    👍👍

  • @guli7224
    @guli7224 Жыл бұрын

    After reach the minimun size, scientists may find a way to double different status for one transistor

  • @seckinseckin3919
    @seckinseckin3919 Жыл бұрын

    "if it ionize, it ionize" - Captan Ivan Drago

  • @limpanskok
    @limpanskok Жыл бұрын

    110% 👍👍👊👊

  • @javierandreiotaku
    @javierandreiotaku Жыл бұрын

    The sound sync stressed me out, but good explanation

  • @BubblegumCrash332
    @BubblegumCrash332 Жыл бұрын

    This was a great video Thank You 🇺🇦

  • @eone199
    @eone199 Жыл бұрын

    i agree if intel fakes its process node but for TSMC? do you really have a proof if TSMC process node is not smaller than 10nm???

  • @law-abiding-criminal
    @law-abiding-criminal Жыл бұрын

    4:25 did you really mean "increased by three times"?

  • @1p2k-223

    @1p2k-223

    Жыл бұрын

    I think he meant 3 thousand

  • @AlfaPro1337
    @AlfaPro1337 Жыл бұрын

    Intel began gluing (according to AMD) since P4D and early version of C2D and C2Q, and knows that there's a huge bottlenecking.

  • @shawnbecher2661
    @shawnbecher2661 Жыл бұрын

    How do they connect 1 billion transistors with a few hundred pins. Seems like and explanation of how they landed on the moon.

  • @mi-rek
    @mi-rek Жыл бұрын

    I wouldn't call technical processes of the last 10 years "pure marketing". It's still engineering. Not a huge breakthrough, but improving the tech in various smart ways, to overcome the limits.

  • @vladislavzavada3910
    @vladislavzavada3910 Жыл бұрын

    Space rangers soundtrack?

  • @JohannesDavidsen-bw7ki
    @JohannesDavidsen-bw7ki Жыл бұрын

    Maybe they should create led cpu next time 😆🤣

  • @SR-CHARITY
    @SR-CHARITY Жыл бұрын

    content is gud.....but lipsync is not present

  • @FreeXPie
    @FreeXPie Жыл бұрын

    You should post your video on Reddit

  • @mka2

    @mka2

    Жыл бұрын

    www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/yrr503/physics_of_your_processor_problem_of_the/

  • @baardi2

    @baardi2

    Жыл бұрын

    R/technology maybe?

  • @latifkirl9930
    @latifkirl9930 Жыл бұрын

    How did IBM make the world's fastest chip

  • @Nationfirst.
    @Nationfirst. Жыл бұрын

    Well then shrink time n space.

  • @MysticalGesture
    @MysticalGesture Жыл бұрын

    I heard of these fans for laptops that are ultra silent and use mini turbo jets to cool your cpu right from the die itself. I forgot the name of the company but I'm sure in the next five years laptops will use this Turbojet tech as standard.

  • @petergriffin383
    @petergriffin383 Жыл бұрын

    The next big leap will be quantum computers

  • @Harvey_Pekar

    @Harvey_Pekar

    Жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately, practical quantum computers for mainstream use, ie. desktop quantum computers, are decades away - assuming that'll be possible at all. In the interim, I foresee a major change in how we implement chiplet and core design. AI will help design better and better masks, thus making processing in the current nodes much more efficient. Moore's law died with him. We have to concede to that, and attack the problem from other angles.

  • @petergriffin383

    @petergriffin383

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Harvey_Pekar I agree, we're decades away.. Controlling thermals would be good leap forward. Maybe one day we'll have nanotubes that act like vapor chamber pipes built right into the die. We're going to need something more substantial than what we have now for dissipating heat in order to maximize the potential computing power.

  • @rahulj9
    @rahulj9 Жыл бұрын

    Well. What is up with the upbeat music? I thought we were fucking conquering Mother Russia ;))

  • @hyperbartgdonmobile2605
    @hyperbartgdonmobile2605 Жыл бұрын

    Привет инглишмэны

  • @testplmnb
    @testplmnb Жыл бұрын

    XD 3 milions x 3 = 10 bilions. USA magic calc.

  • @darchojandreoski9634
    @darchojandreoski9634 Жыл бұрын

    Hier Darcho Jandreoski Pegasus Galaktica 7 - Now intel Pentium 4 Chip for Home PC Computer dann habe ich ein Intel Pentium 76 Chip Prozessor 76 X Sterkere Chip als Intel Pentium 4 Chip

  • @SlimedogNumbaSixty9
    @SlimedogNumbaSixty9 Жыл бұрын

    Why do your hands perfectly match what you're saying but your mouth is speaking another language lol

  • @tombouie
    @tombouie Жыл бұрын

    Hmmmm .... ; *I have been asking fancy-pants geeks these simple-damn questions for decades, the least-worst answers I got was endless damn circular tech jargon. Thks for anticipating my simple questions (aka crux system design factors) & clearly/succinctly/etc answering them w/o all the endless damn circular tech jargon. Pls don’t fall prey to the religion of Geekism & start talking in its religious geek tongues just like the rest of'm. I’m not anti-science, just a scientism heretic tortured for decades. Oh ?Any succinct-books explaining this stuff clearly like you do? *Oh ?Hows-abouts doing FPGAs? Supposedly a FPGA turns a theoretical hardware processor into a software development project. Perfect for low-volume projects where an ASIC processor is far too expensive, takes too long, etc. Since you can update the FPGA just like you updated its software, an FPGA unit potentially has a longer life than an ASIC implementation. If unit volumes ever gets high-enough, an FPGA is a perfect tool to implement/develop the specs for an ASIC. I'm working myself to death trying to learn the secret/black art of FPGAs (ain’t much help out-there). *Thks again

  • @dareczek2974
    @dareczek2974 Жыл бұрын

    Why are your lips not in sync with the video?

  • @amourdillo
    @amourdillo Жыл бұрын

    Zelensky? That you bro?

  • @marcounchained
    @marcounchained Жыл бұрын

    I think your video is out of sync.

  • @Charlie-zj3hw
    @Charlie-zj3hw Жыл бұрын

    Why is your video quality so crappy

  • @Richmode1000
    @Richmode1000 Жыл бұрын

    Disliked... disturbing music and audio error

  • @clickbaitpro

    @clickbaitpro

    Жыл бұрын

    My thoughts exactly, then I looked closely. It's dubbed from russian

  • @vazgen6672
    @vazgen6672 Жыл бұрын

    Is it 10 billions divided by 3 million equals 3 times??

  • @Brass_Tax
    @Brass_Tax Жыл бұрын

    Anyone know what the fuck he’s talking about 😂 Alien tech to me

  • @vazgen6672
    @vazgen6672 Жыл бұрын

    Stupid musical background, errors and uncertainties

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