I lived in Alaska for 41 years, fishing and hunting. I carried my Ruger Blackhawk in .41 mag with 250 grain cast cores, but my main weapon was a Marlin 45-70 with 400 grain 1900 fps reloads.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yep, back in the day, Blackhawks were very popular, especially in .41 Mag. I accidentally edited out that a properly loaded long gun should be the primary defensive firearm. Thanks for watching!

@andymullarx6365

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like an ideal pair. I remember reading about the 41 magnum years ago and the writer said that the 41 magnum was the caliber that most owners of 44 magnums should own.

@dougkahler7152

Жыл бұрын

I have a 41 mag with hard cast bear loads and a 44 rem mag Blackhawk I wouldn’t hesitate to carry either one in Brown bear country.

@bretttingelstad7641

Жыл бұрын

.45-70 with reloads gets my vote. I shot a big wild boar with a 400 grain loaded warm in a Marlin and it not only stopped it stopped NOW! Buddy started laughing and said "Jesus it looks like someone threw a baseball thru its head!" LOL! 45-70 loaded right is pretty nasty inside 100 yards.

To anyone who has never experienced a SERIOUS adrenaline dump I would recommend the Glock 10mm. No safety to forget about in the middle of a fight or flight moment. The adrenaline seems to make time stand still but it makes you shake and effects your vision. The lighter recoil makes for faster follow up shots with the Automatic, and yes having 10 or 12 shots vs 5 or 6 for the revolver is a game changer. For me it is the 10mm automatic all the way.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

10mm auto very popular and has been used to successfully stop Bear charges. Thanks for watching!

@midwest4444

Жыл бұрын

I personally think it has everything to do with experience and preference.

@LK-bz9sk

Жыл бұрын

I agree 100 percent. Been in the adrenaline dump mode before and things get really weird and in an instant.

@thehimself4056

Жыл бұрын

There is a reason northern climates issue the Glock in 10mm. To their fish and game for grizzly defense

@larsosmark9612

Жыл бұрын

Sir. Thank you so much for your information!

10mm is far closer to the .357 magnum for effectiveness than the .44 Magnum, and some .357 rounds surpass the 10mm. The only plus with the 10mm is the amount of ammo, but you may need all of them, and the reload.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

I agree that the 10mm is similar to the 357M, but the lower price of pistols, and many people would rather shoot an automatic pistol are some reasons it is popular. Appreciate you watching!

@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595

Жыл бұрын

A hot loaded hard cast 10mm will penetrate a bear skull, which is all it needs to do. Anything more is just more expensive and harder to shoot.

@tombecht926

6 ай бұрын

If you need more than 5 or 6 shots, you need more practice

@ThomasNux

22 күн бұрын

@@tombecht926 I would argue that if you miss with the first 5 or 6 shots it too late to get more practice.

I guess it's a matter of personal preference. I lean towards the .44 Magnum as I got my start with this caliber in 1972. We currently have a shortage of grizzly bears here in East Texas but we do have mean and nasty large boar hogs. The .44 Mag works. EDIT: Do not use hollow points in any caliber you choose. Bone breaking penetration is the name of the game.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, training following the Bear defense/ Combat Triad is important. 44 mag has a long proven track record. Appreciate you watching!

@darrenliske2022

Жыл бұрын

Preferably buffalo bore rounds or hard cast.

@chainbenwa2713

Жыл бұрын

@@darrenliske2022 hell yeah I wish buffalo bore made a 300gr hard cast wadcutter lol.. believe it or not they track straighter than domed or whatnot.

@davidjohnston9169

10 ай бұрын

I have both,prefer 44

@totaldla

4 ай бұрын

The fat layer is the main reason for hardcast.

I live in Alaska and have both the 44mag and 10mm. Purchased the SW 1006 when they first were introduced. Then the Glock 20 and never looked for another. I have upgraded my Glock over the years with the different generations now using Gen 4. Today a lot of good upgrades for the Glock 20 for the trail. For my job we had to do Bear charging training with our duty pistol a Glock 22 the best I could do was 4 hits. It was very challenging. My 44 mag is a SW 629 4” that I load 255gr Hard cast it’s a joy to carry and have often. My G20 is my go to pistol today and has been for 30 years especially after the upgrades over thhe years. I also load 220gr Hardcast for the trail in the 10mm and really like the high capacity magazine that it provides.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your thoughts and watching!

@factsnotfeelingssendit5961

Жыл бұрын

Curious did you do that drill with a revolver or just your Glock? If you did wonder how many hits you got or think you would if you didn't. Thanks! Stay safe out there Gents

@JohnSmith-yf6td

Жыл бұрын

I also have the 1006 and the 629 4 inch, what kind of velocities are you getting out of the 10mm with the 220gr hard cast, what powder are you using/how many grains ?

@andymullarx6365

Жыл бұрын

There was a popular KZreadr in the past that told a story about a man considered to be the best shooter at his gun club who said he killed a bear in self defense and calculated that he probably missed the bear entirely with his first five shots.

I'm a big fan of the 10mm, I think it's fine for smaller bear like where I'm at. Despite the ammo capacity in the high-cap 10mms, I'd probably want more horsepower. I've got a SA .454 which is perfectly adequate, but it would be hard to shoot fast (there's videos of guys doing a 3 second "challenge" 5 round dump with .454, but I would say accuracy beyond 5 yards would be awful). I ended up getting a quality double action .44 and think that would be my go to pistol. The advantage of the 10mm is 16+ bullets, but if you're missing it doesn't really matter how many rounds you have. For these "which cartridge works on big bears?!" videos, it would be useful if somebody could necropsy some bears shot with 10mm and discuss the findings. There's not really any question .44 mag (and larger) work on the big bears, the question is how many 10mm rounds does it take on a big bear? ~Alibi - I've put thousands of rounds through Glock20s, I've never had an issue with any of the three that I've had. Additionally, RIA makes a quality high capacity steel frame 1911 in 10mm.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

For Black Bears, a proper loaded 10mm is fine for defense. Doing a necropsy on Bears shot with handguns would be interesting. I want to know how the Bear acted when shot, did it stop or turn the charge. Bears only sometimes drop at the first shot, even when hunting with a rifle. Always be ready for follow up shots. Important to get 2-3 good hits in with a handgun. Hey, thanks for watching!

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

I agree, Brown/Grizzly much more difficult to stop and kill than Black Bears. Once a Bear gets pumped up, very hard to stop, have to make the initial shot or two really count. Appreciate you watching!

@icuabc1235

Жыл бұрын

If you can't hit with the 10 you're definitely not going to hit with the 44

@timmynormand8082

Жыл бұрын

I have a ruger 357 How would that hold up ?

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Most Ruger .357M are pretty beefy guns so they can handle the stout loads. That and training following the Bear defense/Combat Triad would work. Appreciate you watching!

I carry a 10mm here in the middle Washington cascades (no brown bear). On the rare occasions I’m in northern Idaho/Montana I carry my 500 Magnum. The recoil really isn’t what it’s hyped to be. Plus I figure you’ll never remember the recoil or bang if you’re in that situation.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like a good plan. I have a 460 S&W 5", not too bad if ones practices. Hey, thanks for watching!

Excellent video. I liked your pace at the range reacquiring your target. Good feature, good demonstration. Thanks!

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Appreciate you watching.

A while back I had to purchase a bear gun when I found myself a bit to close to a Pennsylvania cinnamon /black bear while working on the property of our cabin, these are not usually a threat but after this I wanted to be prepared if it were to happen again. The largest caliber I owned at the time for a handgun was the .357 and .45 LC so I was looking at the 10 mm and a .44 mag. my choice ended up being the .44, the reason is because bear can be on you with any caliber quickly, and a slide action is not going to cycle pressed against a bear if it comes down to that. Most bear encounters the ended with attack happen without notice you walk up on them and they are there before you know it. I was 30 feet from the one working turned and he was in front of my truck, there was no where to go I stayed calm but prepared to make myself assertive if approached luckily he just minded his own business and moved on.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yep, Black Bears can be dangerous, gotta be careful! Thanks for watching!

@danthedewman1

Жыл бұрын

The 45 long colt with Garretts or Buffalo Bore would have best, since you have the pistol all ready and the premium rounds are very impressive

@sterayd

Жыл бұрын

@@danthedewman1 The gun being single action was the problem in my case, not so much the caliber. I also wanted something a bit lighter and compact so I could work comfortable while wearing .

@lonewolf286

Жыл бұрын

Black Bear not that hard to kill. My uncle killed one with a pole ax. A friend of the family we know killed one with a 22 single shot shot in the back of the head

@andymullarx6365

Жыл бұрын

I would think the 357 would've sufficed for Pennsylvania bears but it's your choice and you certainly weren't undergunned with the choice you made. There is such a range of black bear types by region as well that any blanket recommendation concerning them wouldn't be appropriate. Size and demeanor both.

In 1986 my grandfather was charged by a large brown bear while hunting in Alaska, he put 3 .44 Mag rounds into the bear as it was climbing the tree to get to my grandfather. He said the first round pissed it off the second round slowed it down and the third round stopped it, because he hit it in the head, I always have this story in my mind when I choose my defense gun while in bear country. And my choice is 24 in 12 ga loaded with copper slugs, and/or my 45-70 Trapper model with 400gr , Hope I never have to use it, but it makes me feel better

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Glad your Grandfather came out OK! Yeah, using a handgun one will probably be shooting 2-3 shots. Important to train using the Bear defense/ Combat Triad. Thanks for watching!

Good video John! Cooper really put a lot of thought into all this stuff. I did a bunch of training with one of his former instructors many years ago, Chuck Taylor, who you probably know but most of the young guys will not. Happy New Year to You & family. Mike.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! That's great that you trained with Chuck Taylor! I actually took several courses that Col. Jeff Cooper taught, many years ago. Happy New Year to you and your Family too! John

@whiteyfisk9769

Жыл бұрын

Jeff Cooper was an out of touch retarded boomer who had the pistol shooting stance of a high waisted woman

Excellent video, straight to the point, not too much talking. I would add the 460 Rowland--a bit more energy than the 44 mag. I carry in chest holster so it does not interfere with fly rod casting. but I always know where it is and it is accessible with no groping around.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Sounds like you have a good setup with your 460R. I like to use 300-320gr bullets in my 44 Mag which the 460R is limited to about 260gr. Hey, thanks for watching!

Great presentation John, very important to train your skills with those live fire drills if you know you're going to be in bear country and you did an excellent job controlling that 44. Glad I found the channel and look forward to checking out more content from you.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. Appreciate you watching!

@tonycollinsworth7393

Жыл бұрын

Would not go into the Alaska wilderness with anything less than a 454. Side arm

Good heavy roll crimp into the cannelure of a hard cast lead bullet, will keep that .44 mag, .357 mag, .45 Colt full H110, .454 Casull, and .460 S&W Magnum tight in the cylinder where it's supposed to be. They won't shift at the highly unlikely downward force exerted on the end of the barrel, or the natural reaction of shot recoil. I handload all of them for my revolvers. Never had that problem. But then, I don't do a half assed job with my handloads. That's the cardinal rule. Those who follow it can have full faith and belief in the .44 mag, as a superior cartridge over the 10mm for bear defense or otherwise.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

I agree that a good roll crimp is needed. The dummy round I used in the video was made to easily show bullet jump and how it ties up a revolver. Buffalo Bore talks about this and one should be aware of it and not to have ammo experience too many recoil impulses. To my recollection, I have never had a bullet jump crimp either. Thanks for your thoughts and Merry Christmas!

@bustabass9025

Жыл бұрын

@@30-06john I am sure you fall into the category of experienced, well learned handloading. My reference was to some of the KZread gun gurus who when you watch them and they show their steps in the process, you know it's a poor job at best. And, with so many people getting into handloading, it's always good to point out the importance of close scrutiny. The consequences of failure to heed, can result in a lot bigger problems than just a malfunctioning cylinder rotation. Holiday blessings to you and yours!

@ironmikehallowween

Жыл бұрын

Truth

Great informative video John!👍 Thank you sir!

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Glad you found it useful and appreciate you watching!

Been to Alaska few times. Carried my 44 mag with buffalo bore. I'm a decent sized fellow 6ft2 240 and work with my hands. Used to shoot local pistol comp etc. Avid hunter and outdoorsman reloader etc. Long story short the BB rounds are stiff! After 15 rnds the trigger guard started cutting my finger. For a pistol it's a powerful cartridge. Figured I would enter the chat. Hope Everyone stays safe wherever you are

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the BB loads can be pretty stiff. I handload my 44 mag, and most all my ammo. Carried my 44 mag in the Alaska Bush for just about 40 years. Hey, thanks for watching!

Good video. I can see arguments for both choices. As you said it depends on the person, situation and of course their training. Both calibers have worked in real world encounters. The real take away is always that pistols aren’t the ideal tool for the task. A rifle or shotgun is far more effective.

@timg7627

Жыл бұрын

@emskirchner Oger yeah, you’re right about that. Given the opportunity to choose anything that a person would reasonably carry in the bush I’d say a quality semiauto shotgun with slugs would be the best choice

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I actually accidently cut that out of the video! Thanks for watching!

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Many professionals in Alaska, Bear guides, Bear guards and such, that deal with Bears use bolt action rifles. Rifles, even bolt action, are much easier to shoot and make hits than handguns in a Bear charging situations. Happens all the time here. Hey, thanks for watching!

@andymullarx6365

Жыл бұрын

I read an article where they asked 10 Alaskan bush pilots what they used and I think the most common long gun was a 12 gauge shotgun and sidearm was a 44 magnum. There was one bear spray guy and one 10 mm guy.

In my humble opinion I think there’s a better 3 rd option. I’ve converted a 1911 in 45acp to except the 460 Rowland rd. I still have the flexibility to shoot standard 45 acp rds but can step up to 45 super or 460 Rowland for large dangerous animals. The two loads I stock and carry are a 255 grain hardcast ( manufactured by Underwood) that I’ve chronographed in the 1275-1300 fps range from a 5 inch barrel and the Lehigh 200 grain extreme penetrator that I hand load to about 1400 fps. You’ll find this to be on par with a 44 mag (40,000 psi), but with 8+1 rds, much faster reloads than a revolver and way less recoil thanks to a semiautomatic with a heavier spring and muzzle break. Finally, you can convert several other 45s like Glocks, Springfield, FN etc if you want double stack capacity.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the 460R and 45 Super are used here in Alaska, although they are much less popular than the 44M or the 10mm. Hey, thanks for watching!

@ironmikehallowween

Жыл бұрын

I concur. I mainly carry the 255 grain underwoods as well. It really isn’t in the same league as my Ruger Super RedHawk with Buffalo Bore or Garret 330 or 340 hammer heads and hard cast, with over 1500 FTLBS of energy, but it’s much easier to carry and shoot well. In addition, although I have bear all around me, even in my yard, they aren’t Grizzly bears. There is no doubt which would perform better against big bears, but that’s not my only consideration, if a Grizzly bear was my only concern, a 44 Heavy +P magnum or larger, is the obvious choice.

@richardwaid4718

Жыл бұрын

@@ironmikehallowween Cracks me up - all the never been in the woods experts opining about bear capable calibers ( even 9mm). I’ve encountered large black bears 450lbs+ and I don’t want to tackle one of those with anything less than 308 - 30-06 rifle. Definitely would be happier with your buffalo bore choice if confronted by a large bear (1500 ftlbs is way more than the Rowland at 1000 max) I just don’t want to lug that heavy ass revolver around. Promise not to laugh, I used to drag a magnum research in 30-30 around in a shoulder holster and that got old fast. The 1911 for me is a more comfortable option and I like the extra capacity (9 rds).

Great Video. Very informative.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! And appreciate you watching!

Had my 44 jump/ jam. Running 320 gr. WFNHC really hot. Started double crimping. Roll crimp first & then a squeeze crimp over that to really force the roll crimp edge in deep. 35 years later, never a jump problem again ever..

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yep, got to be careful to make sure those bullets don't jump the crimp. Thanks for watching!

There was a time when the 44 magnum was the top dog. Nobody questioned the superiority of the 44 magnum when it comes to bears. But now that it’s no longer on the top. People treat the 44 magnum like it’s barely good enough for rabbit hunting. Some people think the 10 mm is superior. Because you got 10 or 11 rounds in a clip. And you can fire them a lot faster. And they also think the 10 mm superior because it fires more rounds out of one clip than a 44 magnum does in a revolver.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, didn't help when revolvers got so expensive either. Thanks for watching!

@urabuttmonkey

Жыл бұрын

When you said "clip" you lost all credibility.

@michaellabarbera4631

Жыл бұрын

Love the 44 but prefer my Glock 20 10 mm 16 shots better than 6. I use Buffalo bore ammo 220 grain

@M1car-bean

11 ай бұрын

Try 15rd* in a magazine! Not clip. You know noting about gun

There's a lot of silt, water and airborne, here in Alaska and there have been cases of autos jamming. I like the idea of a larger capacity. I agree with bear awareness and practice, practice, practice. Nice video.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yep, always have to be aware, always have to practice!

@Popsm0ke

Жыл бұрын

Glocks don't jam. J/k....I've never had either of my 3 glocks jam but have seen a guy's jam , he wasn't holding it firmly. It would jam with him shooting but not with me. Go figure

@bearswartz2907

Жыл бұрын

@@Popsm0ke Back in my NRA pistol training days we called it limp-wristing it. When the gun fires, the entire gun recoils instead of the slide. Then the slide ends up without enough forward momentum to go into battery. I enjoy reading the comments on these "what-to-carry-for-a-big-grizzly" videos... so many keyboard warriors know everything except how much they don't know lol. When it comes to handguns and brown bears, the only shot that counts is CNS. Brain or spine. A hit anywhere else, and you're likely gonna meet him face to face. Even a 22 can stop a brown, if the shot is placed right. Good hard cast bullet that can drive thru hide and bone, and marksmanship that hits the target, and you'll be fine with whatever caliber you carry. Miss the brain/spine on a charging bear, and it doesn't matter what you fired at him, you're very likely to smell his breath. Hopefully you didn't use your 5 rounds of 44 on the approach... 16 rounds of solid copper, that I've tested to shoot straight through over 10 inches of live birch wood. Yep, its 10mm. If I do my job, it'll do the job I carry it for. And yes, I live in Alaska. Off-grid. We don't have monsters in my area, but an 800-1000 lb brownie isn't real uncommon in these parts. It's all a little more real, when its real...

@Popsm0ke

Жыл бұрын

@Bear Swartz ......yeah I know it's called limp wristed but figured someone would get triggered thinking I was talking about a certain letter in the alphabet

@Popsm0ke

Жыл бұрын

@Bear Swartz .....my 10mm is loaded with underwood ammo extreme penatrators when I'm out and about with at least 2 more magazines in tow . At home, I like civil defense 60gr in my G20 , 29 , and 22 . It dumps all that energy in target without over penatrating .

Glad I stumbled onto this vid. Good info.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you found it useful.

I'm a .44 mag guy to but if I am out in Alaskan wilderness, I'll be packing a 10mm. Yes I have had the cylinder lock ups before that's something you don't want to have during a bear charge.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yep, that is an issue to be aware of. Appreciate you watching!

It depends on the bear; black, brown or polar. Depends even more, how good you shoot. If I can have anything I'd carry my L.A.R. grizzly 45 Win Mag!

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Those LARs are just about collector pieces now. Wish I bought one back in the day! Thanks for watching.

I've been watching your videos for quite some time now and they are great because you have no cheesy music and you're straight to the point with very informative information, but my question is would the . 40 caliber Buffalo bore round would be equivalent to the 10 mm round?

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

That is an interesting question. I assume you are talking about the BB 40S&W +P loads. Good thing about BB, they list actual velocities from real guns. Those loads cannot be used in Glocks with factory barrels, reading their info. It looks like they come within 50-100fps of some various 10mm ammo that I have chronographed. They do have a 200gr Outdoorsman load, that is also running about 50-100fps below 200gr 10mm loads I have tested. If you are also asking if these are OK for Bear defense, I would say for adequate for Black Bears. Not for Brown/Grizzly Bears. Thanks again!

@tristantimothy1004

Жыл бұрын

Jason, depends on the load. Bears skulls not that thick & easily punctured. A 40 will work with a brain shot but the 10mm bear loads are better. We had a F&G officer who only carried a 40 his whole carrier. Brain shot several charging bears up close & he retired unscathed. My wife carries a 40 at the fishing hole but she's never actually HAD to use it, but she's a natural point shooter & the 40 is all she can comfortably handle. Know the " magic triangle". Across the eyes down to the nose is an instant drop brain shot w any caliber. Practice " point shooting" because you won't have time to " aim" in a real attack. Optic will just get you killed.

@rader1175

Жыл бұрын

@@tristantimothy1004 Good advice, have 40s, & 41mag redhawk, thinking about adding a 10mm to collection. But if come to brown bear areas, I will also be wearing my best porky pine suit.

@tristantimothy1004

Жыл бұрын

@@rader1175 , That's both funny & sad at the same time. On the porky thing we have " Bear boards" up here to protect our cabins when we leave from bear intrusion. Regular 4X8 sheets of plywood w 100s of screws or nails driven up through the bottoms & placed points up( usually screwed down) in front of doors & over windows like storm shutters. Bears feet are very soft & tender & they won't walk or push on thoes boards to protect their feet from the puncturing " porquipine" effect. We find wildlife with quills in them that cause massive infections which usually kill the critter eventually. Found a young sow with a quilled up face, paws who had 2 cubs. She was sooo infected & swollen up it hurt just to see it. Checked on her for 3 days. Cubs vanished, probably eatin by other bears. She was so trashed she could barely move. Called F&G & they said to just leave her alone & let nature take it's course. By day 3 I couldn't take it anymore. She was totally immobilized & whimpering in pain so I put a bullet into her head. Damned barbed quills just keep penetrating right through an animal until the spear points destroy their innards but massive infection usually kills em first. Seen crippled/ dying moose with quilled up feet. Horrid way to die. Mother nature is one cruel bitch & porkies are walking slow motion landmines. However, a guill suit sounds like a great idea. Impractible & prob unwearable but a great idea all the same. Don't know if it would actually work thou on an enraged bear attack. Bears go kinda nutso during those & probably wouldn't feel the pain til after their rage strength wears off. Be too late by then. Shoot em in the face, not their head but the FACE where they're brains at. That ALWAYS works. For what it's worth, I was bluff charged TWICE by the same bear in the same place a day apart. He came at me with his head up high like a dog playing with you & stopped just short of impact, stood up, watched me wet myself & then dropped & walked away chortling. ( And yes, they DO laugh.) In All the kill attacks the head was low to the ground & their eyes locked coming in fast. But I wouldn't bet my life on that info. Could have been an isolated incident with just that one bear. 1st summer up here. I only had a 22 rifle & knew better than to shoot em with that & turn a bluff charge into a kill attack. Didn't know bear anatomy yet either. DO know the Alaska natives hunt polar bears w only a 22 hornet rifle. Head shots. A 22 hornet head shot with softnose slugs just explodes their skulls to jig saw peices. I've seen the natives lay for days under a white sheet on caribou trails in wait. Amazing people. They taught me a trick on how to lure the caribou/ bears right up to them & then brain or spine pop em w the 22 hornet. Can't share that thou. Natives don't like white folks ( with good reasons, long ugly story) & they don't share their survival secrets easily.

@EricThompsonClimber

Жыл бұрын

@@30-06john Here it is from BB "Item 21C (a 220gr. Hard Cast plain based LFN) is the absolute heaviest bullet that can be fired through 10mm pistols. With its flat nose, it will penetrate straight and very deeply into muscle and bone. Straight line penetration into living tissue will exceed three feet. Please note below, my personal velocities taken from real pistols. ➤ 1140 fps - Glock model 20 4.6-inch barrel" Also you using a lead bullet is seriously outdated information. Hard cast with a hard metal that penetrates not expands is the way to go.

Thank God we had the 44 that day, July 19TH 2021. I just bought a GEN 5 10 MM for my son to carry. That's us in the second article.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Wow! Glad you came out OK, and no one got hurt! Thanks for watching, and stay safe!

THE Answer: Bear Spray! But sure, why not, fun video. You're a brave man to make this video, I'd get torn apart in the comment section! 1. I had five 44 Magnum revolvers up through the mid nineties. Then my carpel tunnel and joint pains made them painful to shoot, especially the day after. It's not scientific but my 44 Magnums shot into a fallen tree that my 357 Magnum would shoot through. Plus, I shot better groups with quicker follow up shots and the 357 was lighter and a bit more comfortable to carry. So I became a fan of the 357. 2. The Indians said: before the eagle saw it, before the dear heard it, the Bear Smelled it. Bears are very sensitive to smells. Bear spray stopped bears instantly in the videos that I watched many years ago. Not so handguns. I have seen arrows stop bears faster than handguns of various calibers. (Yes, different bears on different videos) 3. You're a brave man to pick an XD in a Glock world. I have read that the Glock 20 is the number one choice for a bear hand gun in Alaska now. The Glock is lighter than an XD. But I point shoot Glocks a little high, requiring careful sighted aim with their 19* grip angle and bump at the bottom of the grip. The 1911 and XD point shoot naturally for me and that's important when you're distracted by a charging bear and crapping your pants. So my choice of last resort, after Bear Spray, a Shotgun, or a rifle, would be the 10mm XD or S&W M&P 10mm.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

I am living, camping, hunting and fishing in Alaska going on 40 years, with my share of Bear encounters as anyone who does the same. Bear spray does not always work, as the 2 female geologists found out when they were attacked by a Black Bear. Bear kept coming back until they ran out of spray, ended up killing and started to eat one of them. This happened in Alaska about 5 years ago. The Glock is the most popular 10mm pistol, but Springfield, S&W, Sig are catching up. The Glock 20 10mm grip is like grabbing a 2x4, compared to the others. I accidentally edited out that a properly loaded long gun should be the primary defensive rifle. Thanks for watching.

@papatorr3669

Жыл бұрын

@@30-06john Yep, after owning half a dozen Glocks and shooting even more The only Glock grip I like is that on my 43X (& 48). I wonder if those two female geologists started spraying from too far away and either they simply missed, or it was simply a mist. I'm guessing that shot placement is about as important with bear spray as it is with a rifle.

Interesting and very well done. No handgun really is brown bear medicine a big bore rifle like a .375 H&H or very hot loaded .45-70 as two examples are superior in accuracy and stopping power. The 12 gauge with heavy 1 3/8 ounce BRENNEKE slugs is also good bear defense. The handgun is HANDY and can be on your person all the time.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. I accidentally cut out that a proper loaded long gun is primary firearm for Bear defense. Handguns should always be within arms reach or closer. Thanks for watching!

@Mike-xi4zt

Жыл бұрын

There are handgun loads that are equal to the velocity and bullet weight of 45 70. Like 454 , 460 S&W and others; So yes they can be effective on bear or anyting else you shoot with them. In fact there are handguns chambered in 45-70.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yep, the big bores are about the same as the original 45/70 loads. I have a 460 S&W and my handloads easily equal that. Appreciate you watching!

@tristantimothy1004

Жыл бұрын

​@@30-06john , By " regular" 45/70 loads are you meaning the old govt 405 grain WFN @ 12-1300 FPS?? Did see a vid recently of some recent handgun that was equal too or better than the modern B.B. 430 grain WFN @ 2300 fps but I don't remember it's caliber or name. WAS IMPRESSIVE. WAY too much pistol for a lil old fart like me to handle. Wasn't that new super beast on another channel. " THE BIGGEST HANDGUN" in the world. Has a built in muzzle brake because it WILL HURT YOU w/o it. That sucker is SCARY!

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yes, depending on the cartridge. My 460 Mag 5" handloads are a 395gr @ 1200, 360gr @ 1330, 300gr jacketed @ 1580, these are reduced loads. These are just at the point at what I can control. I really don't like the muzzle brake.

Good point about not using hollow point ammo. Heavy, hard cast bullets are always the best option as they will penetrate far better. And they do work in Glock barrels as long as they are HARD cast.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Buffalo Bore talks about using HC in Glocks on his website. Thanks for watching!

@vincentwinkleblech3614

Жыл бұрын

HARD CAST seems to be a must as far as BEAR Rounds

WOW very enlightening!

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you found the video useful and appreciate you watching!

What really matters? Avoid the situation that puts you in conflict. If ya ARE in one have a 12g!!! Backed with a substantial hand gun caliber that you can shoot well. Good cryteria used by those in the know is 40-200-1200 Min 40 cal Min 200g Min 1200 fps ON TARGET!

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

I agree to avoid the situation, the ADFG info I mentioned pertains to that. Somehow, I accidently cut that having a long gun should be primary for Bear defense and handguns are backup. Merry Christmas!

I have a 629-6 with a 4inch I love it

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

That is a fine revolver. Thanks for watching!

Alot of very good discussions here, i've owned both the glock 20 and glock 29 in 10 mm with the best upgraded recoil springs available for both, but I would still be hesitant to just walk around with just a polymer hand gun, like I mentioned earlier, if i'm in Alaska(was there in summer of 1990) i'd carry my polymer glock 20 and a .44 magnum revolver.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

The 10mm has gotten very popular for Bear defense here over the last 7-9 years. I have personally carried a 44 mag most of the time for the past 40 years I have lived in Alaska, and a rifle too. Appreciate you watching.

@michaelhodges8312

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, I carry both a 10mm and a 44 mag/460 mag. What spring in your 29? 21#?

@kenfields603

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelhodges8312 A 22lb. spring in the 29, and a 18 lb. spring in the 20

@meandmerat8744

Жыл бұрын

Instead of carrying 2 pistols just get a 12 guage and keep the 10 as back up.

Great video something I will train myself on

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you found it useful!

10mm ballistics are identical to .357 mag. I'd rather have 15 shots of .357 mag than 6 of .44 mag. One thing I'd definitely add to a glock is a standoff device so if a bear is on top of me, pressing the muzzle against it won't push the slide out of battery.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, a standoff would be nice on an automatic pistol. Thanks for watching!

My first pistol was a .44 magnum Super Redhawk for secondary protection in the wilderness for years. For the last decade I have carried a Glock model 40 MOS in 10mm. If I had it to do over I would have carried the Glock from the beginning. Shooting is great and all but attacks do not start with you at the ready, relaxed. You might want to start running until you are breathing heavier to practice those shots while pulling from your holster. Just a friendly suggestion, we all want everyone to make it home at the end of the day. I am no shooting coach, but I draw from a drop-down holster firing my first shot from my hip which transitions into my next shot being fired with both hands. Once you have muscle memory reflex you will hit both shots on target and it does make your first shot a lot faster.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yep, we all should be training, following the Bear defense/ Combat Triad. At some point, a person may want to get professional, expert training. Usually that type of training uses different type of drills that can not be done at a Public "square" range. Thanks for your thoughts and watching!

@edgeuvchaos

Жыл бұрын

@@johnharris8191 Anything is possible, once a man killed a brown bear with a folding lock back Buck knife. Sure he took his scars but he lived. My Glock has never had any problems. As far as it goes there is a video on KZread showing penetration tests using ballistic gel (round type matters greatly). That will tell you everything you need to know about the 10mm. A Glock 40 MOS 10mm has a six inch barrel, another two inches can make big difference. Everyone is responsible for their own safety and I would never even think of denying you the firearm you thought would protect you best. Take care out there.

@edgeuvchaos

Жыл бұрын

@@johnharris8191 I carry a Glock 40 MOS 10mm. Saw one blow up on video due to a hot round with a larger diameter bullet, never seen a jam with my own eyes. Maybe Glock haters film fixed firearms, who knows. Thanks for the luck, same to you!

@edgeuvchaos

Жыл бұрын

@@johnharris8191 To each their own John, be careful out there and carry a New York reload with you.

@edgeuvchaos

Жыл бұрын

@@johnharris8191 Same here, as you can tell by my first pistol.

Some say the .357 is more powerful than the 10mm, others say the 10mm is more powerful than the .357, but the .44 mag is the more powerful caliber of the three. I have all three calibers so I'm good with all three, but to be on the safe side I would carry the .44 mag when in bear country. I have been watching for a .454 Casull handgun for several years at my local gun shop but apparently they are difficult to locate.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

All three have been used to stop Bear charges, important to train using the Bear defense/Combat Triad. I got a 460 S&W Mag too, nice that I can shoot 45 Colt and 454 C. Appreciate you watching!

I have owned my Glock 20, Gen one since 1991. Thousands of rounds through it. I am like Clint Eastwood with it. Never needed it for self defense, thank God! But, I have it with me always! Be NICE!

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yep, that is an advantage, Glock 10mm are lighter and easier to carry. Thanks for watching!

Great knowledge

@30-06john

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind comment, and thanks for watching!

never heard of a Glock 10mm being ripped in half. I've had 4 of them and id have to say I'd put my life behind that any day, in terms of reliability I give it a 9 of 10, just because of it being a polymer frame.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

I saw that ripped in half Glock 10mm, the front half of the frame ended up 10-15ft in front of the shooting bench. I talked to the shooter, an acquaintance, he was shooting factory ammo. Several things contribute to this problem, Glocks use different rifling, chamber not fully supported, non-Glock parts installed and some really hot 10mm Bear ammo being sold. I think the newer Glocks address the rifling and chamber support. Regular barrel cleaning will also help. Thanks for watching!

I'll stay with the 44 mag. I have a 10 and it's fine for medium game but bear is getting a bit above it's ability. As for reload there's a good chance your not going to live long enough to need to. You have six, you aim better and make hits you have 12 you spray and pray. Ain't never scared an animal to death yet. You really have to hit it.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

44 mag has a long proven track record! Thanks for watching.

An Alaskan guide I overheard declared that if you have a 357 you have to stand your ground and wait until your arm is up to the elbow,then pull the trigger. With the 44 mag you can pull the trigger once the barrel is in it's mouth 👍

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Actually the 44m has been used since the 60s to stop Bear attacks. 357M was one of the first, if not the first handgun cartridge to hunt Brown Bear with, in the 1930s. Thanks for watching!

A truism often attributed to Wyatt Earp, "Speed's fine, accuracy's final. "

@andybreglia9431

Жыл бұрын

Forgot to mention, my bad. Since encounters of this nature require head shots, a study of cranial anatomy is a good idea. In elephant hunting, you are trying to find a target the size of a football inside something the size of a Volkswagen. While not quite as extreme, the same applies here. You need to find the brain regardless of shot presentation. Head down? Head straight on? Side presentation? It isn't just hit the head, you gotta hit the brain. Semiauto, I'd want something like .45 Super (.45 ACP on steroids.). I'll stick with my .44 Magnum.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

On a charging Bear, one aims for the eye/nose triangle. Hit that, good, if a bit high/low/left right then can still hit vitals and bones if using the correct ammo. Thanks for watching!

Hi John, I never get tired of this argument. Great video. I don’t have a clue as where I live the only beers are brown and frothy. 🍺 . But alway enjoy the argument. thanks for sharing Dave 🇺🇸 🇳🇿

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Around here, when we are camping, have to be careful when saying "beer?", everyone get's excited and starts bringing guns to the ready! Thanks for watching and Happy New Year!

@davidneal6920

Жыл бұрын

@@30-06john good stuff John. Tomorrow I take my 3006 to the range to zero it! Awesome calibre! Unfortunately no sidearms allowed here! Have a Great New Year! 🇺🇸 🇳🇿

After shooting and loading for 50 years plus, I've never had an instance where the bullet backed out of the case. I could imagine it happening if someone was to reload their ammunition without dies, but realistically, it is completely unheard of to have a bullet back out of the case, and lock up a cylinder. If you're in bear country and not hunting, take a shotgun with buckshot number four minimum. If you just want to wave the bear off and tell him to leave you alone, keep eating vegetables only.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

I know of at least 2 incidents where bullets jumped crimp and locked up the cylinder during a Bear attack. It is a somewhat common occurrence for some in reloading heavy bullets in revolvers. Buffalo Bore ammo talks about this happening and to be on the lookout for it. it does happen in the big bore revolvers like 454 and such more often, but it can happen to a 44 mag. I accidentally edited out that a heavy loaded long gun should be the primary Bear defense rifle. Appreciate you watching.

@donnellbaxter8050

Жыл бұрын

They must be reloading there own bullets .

I have 2 44 mags ,a 454 casull, 500 S W mag. And i had crimp jump on all of them using all available dies until i got my hands on the Lee factory collet crimp die and that solved my problems immediately. To crimp with your seating die you must trim your brass and carefully roll the crimp and test many times,but with the Lee collet die its more effective and easier. Good video

@30-06john

Ай бұрын

Yep, have to be careful and not have the bullet jump the crimp! Thanks and have a great Memorial Day!

I have a Ruger Redhawk in 45 colt. With full power loads it's more powerful than the 44 mag and a better choice . I also have 10mm 1911 which is effective with 200 gra8n hard cast rounds from Underwood.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Both will work, as long as one trains using the Bear defense/Combat Triad: Marksmanship, Gun Handling and Awareness/Bear knowledge. Appreciate you watching!

@danreynolds900

5 ай бұрын

You're the only one that has used a 1911 style pistol in 10 mm. Which 1911 are u using, a Kimber or a ? I'm curious because I own a Kimber in 10 mm. What's the most important reason why I don't see more people talking about a 1911 being used for a grizzly bear gun more often than it is ??

Appreciate the video, well done. It does seem strange that anyone would purposely use a single action revolver in bear country, especially with all the tools available to the average person today. I like both rounds and utilize both calibers but having 15 or more rounds of 10mm available makes the 10mm a slight favorite for me.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! The Ruger Super Blackhawk/Blackhawk was very popular in Alaska for many years. One reason is that they are just easy to carry, especially when chambered in big bore cartridges like 454, 475 and such. The 10mm is very popular now. Appreciate you watching.

@greyscout01

Жыл бұрын

I still prefer a quality revolver with heavy hard cast loads. I've been unfortunate enough to have had jams with various high-quality auto's over the years ...just enough to make me paranoid.

@notsosilentmajority1

Жыл бұрын

@@greyscout01 If you've had jams then it is very understandable why you would feel a certain way. Most people are more fortunate with their autoloaders but I enjoy both the 44 and the 10mm. I still sometimes carry a 7 shot .357 revolver because of my appreciation of revolvers.

@greyscout01

Жыл бұрын

@notsosilentmajority1 Yeah, I, of course, don't fault anyone for their preferences. I've always liked revolvers and the fact that I've never had one fail is certainly a factor. The flip side to that is as a young cop, my first gun fight was in the revolver days. Firing 4 shots it was like a slap in the face knowing I only had two left and we were too close to be playing with reloading. I bought a backup piece right after that. So, the fast reload of auto's is definitely a plus.

@edb3877

Жыл бұрын

@@greyscout01 Being a little paranoid in big bear country is a good thing. It can keep a fellow OFF the menu. If I lived in or near big bear country, I would be packing a Ruger .375 Alaskan rifle. As a backup, a 5" Ruger Redhawk in .454 Casull or .480 Ruger would be good. As it is, here in the Pacific NW where there are black bears, my Ruger Blackhawk in .41 Rem Mag should work just fine. Whatever I was using, I would be loading it with high quality ammo, such as from Buffalo Bore, even though I've been a hand-loader for 40+ years.

Instant sub. I just came across your channel and had to subscribe on the spot.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words!

There a couple not on the video like the 357mag and the 45 . Now between whats in the video and the two that I mention which one would be the better to have ? They all have pros and cons about them. For a charging bear I'd rather have a semi automatic.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Well, it really depends on what you train with the most, following the Bear Defense/ Combat Triad, as I showed in the video. Using good Bear defense ammo, the most powerful is the 44Mag, the 10mm is very popular and can be shot faster, the 357M has more manageable recoil and has taken Bear. The 45 auto is considered underpowered, but using +P ammo, is approaching 10mm power. I hope this helps, and thanks for watching!

@jimtaylor6930

Жыл бұрын

@30-06JOHN, GUNS AND RELOADING It helps, but after I wrote the question, I remembered one, and that is, I think, the 454 if I remember correctly. Think I saw The size is huge compared to the others .I've got a 9mm Smith&Wesson MP, and that's like a pea shooter for a grizzly charging.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

The 454 Casull is a very powerful round, a magnum version of the 45 Colt. One must be able to handle the recoil but the good thing about the 454C is that you can shoot 45 Colt through it for practice and less recoil.

You did great job in showinpg the 2 guns I live in black bear country and use 41mag hand loads, with Lee factory crimp. Has no problem with rapid fire hotloads and they cut deep into hard targets S&W Rules

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! A 41 mag revolver is a great setup.

Well capacity isnt a factor in my opinion a charge happens so fast and close that by the time you get a sure shot on a bear you'll only empty 3-6 more shots till the bear decides to stop or you hit something important so minimum heavy 10mm and 44 mag solid are the way to go

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yep, usually over in a few rounds, one way or another. Thanks for watching!

Inspection then inspection and lastly maybe inspection! Fresh ammo especially in an auto no matter the caliber. Some folks use the same rounds loaded for months and even longer. The bullet can get pushed into the crimp deeper that normal which creates huge pressure differences in the chamber. That's what happened to your 1 guy with the Glock. Bet on it. Glocks are super reliable and won't elaborate from there given enough proof. 44 mag is awesome in any situation for life or death! This caliber is not a warning hit, this caliber means eliminating a threat completely with correct aim. Use it! 454 Casull, 460 on up are a challenge to handle so practice folks... I love this guys sharing and a lot can be learned from his generation. You are in bear country, don't bring a bull whip! Train,Train, inspect again before going. You fight like you train.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

I see that shooter that had the Glock at the range every so often, he still does not know what really caused it. Thanks for watching!

Very good information. Thank you. I have a question! Does it matter how long the barrel is on a semiautomatic 10 mm? Some say you should have 6 inches or more!

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Well, a longer barrel will have higher velocity, but most 10mm autos have a 4" to 5" barrel. I think that size is best for all around use. Thanks for watching!

@larsosmark9612

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@5:52 “…Glock 10mm….I’ve seen it happen where they just blow up.” Ohhhh puuuuleeze. Metal guns for that matter “blow up” too with an improperly loaded “reload” or obstructed barrel. To be worried about a polymer framed gun just “blowing up,” is ridiculous. I’m more concerned with using someone’s hand loads than factory ammunition.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

I have seen that blown up Glock 10mm, I talked to the shooter, an acquaintance of mine. He was shooting factory ammo. A gunsmith friend of mine regularly sees damaged 10mm Glocks. Some Glock shooters I know don't like the 10mm Glock because of this. Of course that is here in Alaska where Bear loads are shot. There are several issues that combine to contribute to this problem. Glocks have different rifling that can create problems shooting lead bullets, regular barrel cleaning and using true hard cast will minimize this. Many Glock barrels are not fully supported, I think newer barrel are. Some ammo manufactures are loading really hot Bear ammo. If a gun has build up in the barrel, this will increase pressure. Thanks for watching.

@VergorioVergara

Жыл бұрын

They don’t blow up because they’re polymer frame , they blow up because they don’t have a supported barrel , true story

@justinpennington7682

Жыл бұрын

Plastic isn't as strong as steel

@colt10mmsecurity68

Жыл бұрын

@@justinpennington7682 Plastic doesn’t cause the explosion. The bullet sits within a “steel” chamber in both plastic and metal guns. Whether a gun is made of plastic or steel is irrelevant.

@justinpennington7682

Жыл бұрын

@Colt10mm Security yea but I prefer my guns to be metal and my women without a penis .

Kentucky Ballistics did a video on bear guns. The 10mm glock 29 went through almost all of the gel blocks I like the SKS for hikes in bear 🐻 country

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I saw that! Appreciate you watching.

At around 7:11 you spoke of problems with the revolver. I have three .44's and reload my ammo. When I go into the field I use factory loads, the odds of problems are extremely rare.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Well, factory ammo can have problems too. Buffalo Bore has an article on his website talking about bullet jumping crimp. It is less common in a 44 mag, compared to the big bores, but it can happen. Using heavy bullets in light revolvers increases the chance of this. Thanks for watching.

Good info.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you found it useful.

44 mag for me.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

A proper loaded 44 mag will work, has been used for many years. Thanks for watching.

Very good video.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, I hope you found it useful!

Very, very good video.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words!

Full grown grizzly bears have thick skulls. A high velocity, hardened bullet is needed. There is a chance that the bullet will glance off the skull and not penetrate at all. Don't forget bears are fast on their feet, have great stamina and will try and snap your neck right away. First thing they do is crush their prey's spine.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Penetration is needed, able to break bones, if it glances off the skull, has to be able to break shoulder bones to limit mobility. Appreciate you watching!

@timMycat-ov2kg

Жыл бұрын

@@30-06john But with a damaged brain it cannot think straight, run straight, see, hear, or continue to live.

Throughout the late 70s & early 80s I handloaded thousands of 44Mag hotter than one could buy. Worked up the hottest that clean cylinders would eject without trouble. Never had the crimping problem. Magnaported 7 1/2" Redhawk.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Bullets jumping crimp can occur with lighter weight revolvers, heavy bullet weight and heavy recoil. It can happen to 44 mag, have to be very aware in the 454, 460 500s. Buffalo Bore talks about this on his website. I know of 2 Bear attack incidents where the revolver jammed because of this, although they were 454s. Thanks for watching.

Good stuff !

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. glad you found it useful!

If I were to be charged by a Grizzly, at that moment, anything less than 105 recoiless rifle would make me feel under-gunned.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yep, the 2nd thing people say after a Bear encounter "I need a bigger gun", 1st thing they say " I need a gun". Appreciate you watching!

He should've included .357 being that it's what the most famous ranger that dealt with bears the most used it he should've at least gave .357 a honorable mention🐣™️💯

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

The most popular calibers here in Alaska are the 44 mag and 10mm auto. They are used every year to stop Bear attacks. The 357 Mag is carried and used, but it is much less popular. Thanks for watching!

THANK YOU LOTS OF GOOOD POINTS

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Your welcome and thanks for watching!

I've never had a jam in my 44mag but I, and most people, don't reload. 3 shots would be more than enough to stop a bear and in the event of a charge, 2-3 would be about as many as you could get off. I would want them to be the 44mag. The extra rounds in a 10mm don't do you any good if you can't use them.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Bullets jumping crimp can occur with factory ammo too, the really heavy 320 grain on up are most likely. Buffalo Bore ammo talks about this on his website. 44 mag has a long proven track record! Thanks for watching!

dont care what anyone says, I've learned a great deal over the years from others and personal experience. when trying to stop a charging bear, more bullets on target matter more than less bullets in a revolver with more power! mainly because people tend to miss hitting moving objects especially when its in a matter of seconds and their adrenaline rush spikes. also because its easier for most to handle follow up shots with a 10mm over 44 mag. I dont need to know how your superman and can shoot a cannon off the shoulder, ok. the statistics speak for themselves. for these reasons if your smart enough to use common sense you will most likely survive a bear attack. just remember that mothers travel with cubs and in spring they're really hungry. they're great at stalking for miles so always keep looking behind you and to the side. brown bears are amazing at creeping up on you when they can see your not looking around, dont rely on just bear spray, if you must use it, make sure the wind isnt blowing in your face, that could be your demise. I'll take a 10mm over a 44 any day all day and twice on Sundays. before going on a hunt make sure the tools dont jam, which is what happened to a guide who was killed by two brown bears in Wyoming in 2018 when his glock 20 seemingly jammed while being attacked by a mother and her cub, the poor guy was only 38. when out in bear country at like your at war if you want to make it home in one piece of course, your side arm is backup, the rifle is the primary of course. bear spray in the wind are your worst enemy, dont give the hungry bears any chance to eat you. while someone is dressing a kill, have the other guy stand guard looking in all directions, no one should die from carelessness or stupidity

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

As I said in the video, both 10mm and 44 mag have documented cases of stopping Bear charges, it is up to the individual to train with that firearm following the Bear defense/ Combat Triad principles. Somehow I edited out that a long gun with Bear ammo should be ones primary defense firearm. Thanks for watching.

I think the best weapon for bears is a 12 gauge with jacketed slugs.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

I accidently edited out that a properly loaded long gun should be the primary defensive firearm. 12g with Brenneke style slugs is very good and what Alaska Fish and Game use to kill problem Bears. Appreciate you watching!

the good ol .41 mag has been my go to. A bit less recoil than the 44 mag and has a bit better pen. Hard cast all the way.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yep, nothing wrong with a properly loaded 41 mag! Appreciate you watching!

I have carried a 6" Uberti Cattleman .44 mag or a 4.75" EAA Bounty Hunter .44 mag in grizzly country many decades and I carry HSM full house 300 Gr FMJ loads. I feel like I'm well protected armed this way even though both my .44 mags are SAA copies. Watch your back muchacho ... Bears can be sneaky

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Single action revolvers have been carried for a long time for Bear protection! Yeah, Bears are sneaky. Thanks for watching!

@anthonygalliart1789

Жыл бұрын

@@30-06john My pleasure and thank you for the video. P.S. I have never seen anything stop a grizzly faster than a 45-70 with a 500 Gr bullet. Looked like he had been struck by lightning!

Large caliber wheelgun would be my preference, if you press the barrel of a revolver against something, it still fires. But if you do that with an automatic gun, it will not go off because the slide gets pushed back.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yep, that is an advantage of a revolver! Appreciate you watching!

@donerickson7869

Жыл бұрын

Not with a jerico the isrialies know how to build a reliable cz based handgun

I’ve had the extractor on an xd blow over my head after shooting some hot .40sw. I had been shooting the same stuff in my m&p. I like an xd though. One smooth shooting pistol.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Glad you didn't get hurt! And thanks for watching!

The 44 magnum definitely beats out the 10 mm by light years.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate you watching!

All valid points. Shots on target would be my concern. Both calibers will get the job done, but a Glock (or other striker) in 10mm will likely be easier to put rounds on target than guns chambered in .44. Some can shoot DA revolvers quite well, but it takes a lot of practice, and you must manage that recoil. I would avoid single actions for bear charges. And semi autos like Desert Eage in .44 are beasts that just aren't practical for carry.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yep, it is an individual decision and training, following the Bear defense/ Combat Triad. Thanks for watching!

@jamessteinmetz7476

5 ай бұрын

The Desert Eagles are notoriously unreliable unless they have a lot of aftermarket gunsmithing done. Even then they aren't trustworthy to cycle every. I've known 2 people that had to have one... and got rid of them asap. So besides the bulk and weight, it's a prerequisite that whatever one has goes bang when you squeeze the trigger. Backpacking in Grizzly country, I always had spray and a Ruger Super Redhawk in .44 mag with Buffalo Bore Dangerous Game flat nose rounds in it. Then, 15 years after I bought it, I see the seller on charges for selling stolen guns, I run the serial number and the Ruger's stolen too. Shortly after, I bought a Tanfolio Elite Match in 10mm and never looked back. I have an aftermarket shock absorber guide rod so I can load the really hot stuff up. Somebody was comparing 10mm's with a .357 but there's no comparison when you load the 10mm up to where it's meant to be. Buffalo Bore and Underwood both have several really hot loadings in 10mm that crank the flatnose bullet over 1600 ft per second. I like the idea of having 14 of those to try to send downrange.

I pistol hunt with a .44 Magnum with a 3x Leupold.. Have many many more higher and lower calibers... However, Glock 20 10mm every single day and night... Capacity is definitely your friend when things kick off in seconds, and a 10mm will drop a bear just as well as a 44 Magnum properly loaded (Underwood Xtreme or Buffalo Bore)...

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

10mm is very popular and has documented incidents where it stopped a Bear charge. Appreciate you watching!

44 mag has more energy but slower follow up shots due to recoil impulse. Faster follow up shots with the 10mm semiautomatic . What if your first shot missed?

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that is one part of the Bear defense/Combat Triad, Marksmanship. Thanks for watching!

There are many excellent crimping dies on the market to prevent bullets to jump out of their cases and interfere with cylinder rotation. A taper crimp die applied properly will not allow any such movement. It's also a good idea to not fire all rounds of a cylinder and keep shooting by adding a couple of rounds to replace those that have been fired. There is too much of a chance that one round becomes subjected to repeated recoil. Regardless of how well crimped a bullet is, eventually that bullet may move...A standard precaution not to allow this to happen is to fire all the rounds of a cylinder and then add fresh ones. As it is, the last couple of rounds to be fired in a cylinder have already absorbed strong recoil several times. Good taper crimping is essential.

@30-06john

14 күн бұрын

For heavy recoiling revolvers, a "step down" crimp is becoming more popular. Thanks for watching!

As for 44 Magnum loads you must make sure you crimp them well. I used to run max loads from 240 to 320 grain with H110 and never had the bullet slide forward. As long as you have a tight crimp all should be good.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yes, must crimp well and properly in the cannular/crimp groove. Buffalo Bore talks about this at his website. Appreciate you watching!

@donnellbaxter8050

Жыл бұрын

Do you have this problem with bullets purchased from a store.

How does a 500 magnum compare to the 44 magnum and 10mm for bear protection?

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Well, it is much more powerful. One must be able to control much more recoil and still must get 2-3 good shots off fairly fast. Thanks for watching!

So, you personally toward the 44 mag?

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

I have carried a 44Mag for almost 40 years in Alaska. But, as I mentioned in the video, the 10mm has gotten very popular here and it does have documented incidents where it was successfully used to stop a bear charge. I have not really read of any incidents where it did not stop a charge when properly used. Thanks for watching!

Thanks.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Your welcom and thanks for watching!'

I have a 6 shot 44 mag, love it, i also have a RIA big rock double stack 16+1 10mm, 6". Love that too. Live in grizzly country north idaho. Have yet to encounter one. Did put down a black bear with buffalobore 255 gr .45 acp. Hard to go wrong with a doublestack 10mm though, much easier to get follow up shots with 10mm than a .44 mag. On the other hand, 10mm is hardly comparable in power to the .44 mag. Close in velocity, only half the energy.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yep, those are the differences, have to train and know each strengths. Thanks for watching!

Love 10mm when loaded as intended, not at 40 S&W velocities...but I still take my Super Redhawk with hardcast loaded hot.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Both will work, the training using the Bear Defense/ Combat Triad is what makes the difference. Thanks for watching!

Great video and I prefer the 10 millimeter and Springfield armory makes a great semiautomatic pistol

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks and the 10mm will work! Thanks for watching!

I use Glock 10mm/S&W 329PD 44 mag for black bear and a S&W 460V that shoots both 460 mag and 454 Casull for grizzly.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a good plan. I have a 5" S&W 460M, nice that it can shoot 460M, 454C and 45 Colt! Thanks for watching!

I would prefer the 44 magnum over the 10mm.., bears are not the only creatures out there in the woods that can kill you.... A moose can ruin your day just as quickly as a grizzly!

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. moose can be dangerous! Thanks for watching!

Nice video

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Appreciate you watching!

I only have black bears near me northwest Connecticut I use .357 Magnum 180grain. Sometimes 410 000 buck from a judge what do you think? Enough?

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Black Bears are usually easier to dissuade. 410 000 is 3-5 pellets going about 1000fps from a Judge. I think that is a bit light. Maybe 1st two use buckshot, rest 45 Colt loads. I hope that helps and thanks for watching.

1953 World Record Grizzly was taken with a .22 Long (not even Long Rifle)

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yep, Indian gal I believe, head shot! Thanks for watching.

What are you loading the .44 with?

@30-06john

10 ай бұрын

My personal 44 mag is carefully loaded 300 to 320 grain HC lead over a full charge of W296/ H-110. Thanks for watching!

Look, there have been many well documented cases of Grizzly bears being taken down with a 9mm, so this notion that you need a big massive wrist breaking hand gun is simply not true. Number one choice should be a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with slugs. Number two for me would be a lever action in either 357, 44 magnum or a 45 colt loaded with +P ammo. Anyone of these calibers with a hard cast round will absolutely do the job. Your main choice should be a long gun because pistols are nowhere near as accurate as a long gun. I can hit a Grizzly size target at 100 yards on the first hit all day long with a long gun even if I feel rushed. With my lever action, I get 10 rounds in the tube and one in the chamber and I can make them all count fairly fast, you don't need to take the gun off the shoulder to cycle, with a pistol, good chance I would miss with most of them because it takes a lot of skill and practice to be good with a pistol.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Yes, there have been cases where a 9mm stopped a Bear charge, but no one that has experience with Brown/ Grizzlies will say that a 9mm is adequate. A properly loaded shotgun is a very good and common choice. Make sure you use Brenneke type slugs, regular Foster style are too soft. Lever actions using pistol rounds have a few things to be aware of. Many Bear loads that are fine in revolvers will not function in a lever action, either it is too long, or the large meplat hangs up. I have a lever action 44, but I carry my lever action 450 Marlin in the Bush. Hitting a target at 100 yards is not Bear defense. Practice goal is making 1 -2 good hits at 25 yards or closer in 2-3 seconds, from low ready, high ready or slung over shoulder. Train using the Combat/Bear defense Triad I talked about in the video. Thanks for watching!

@Diemerstein

Жыл бұрын

@@30-06john I think you misunderstood what I said and meant. I never said a 9mm is all you need for bear defense, I said that there are many documented cases where a 9mm did the job and if that is all you have, it's better than nothing and it will work if you have the skills with a hand gun. Also, I didn't say shooting a bear at 100 yards is practical bear defense, my point was I can hit a bear size target reliably with a lever gun unlike a pistol which most people would not, I was making a point that a long gun is the better choice due to increased accuracy. I would not waste ammo at 100 yards on a bear due to the energy loss over that distance. I own a 357, a 44 magnum, a 45 colt and a 454 casull all in lever action, 2 Henry's and two Rossi's, all of them fire bear loads, aka dangerous game loads reliably.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

I agree that a properly loaded long gun should be the primary Bear defense rifle, due to more power and easier to make hits. Appreciate you watching.

Thank you sir!

@30-06john

10 ай бұрын

Your welcome, and thanks for watching!

Ive had alot of experience with the 41 rem mag. 44 mag is generally .429 or 430. 41 mag is .410. There now some relly good bullets and you have Taurus, SW. Both build great revolvers. There are many more factory loads,than when I started in 1969. I would not feel under armed. As with the 44 you are limited to six rnds.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

.41 mag is a fine firearm. Appreciate you watching!

I'm a fan of military powerful flashlights to blind and slow down for a few seconds. I see these videos cougars mounting a charge after you slowly. If it's a stalled charge i'd have my flashlight ready along with my gun on the ready. Like the cougar charge on a hunter that he was able to fire off a few warning shots. The Cougar did'nt want to leave but thought about it. Got the hell out of dodge.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Having a powerful flashlight, with a strobe feature, is useful. Hey, thanks for watching!

Hardcast is ideal but with 44 even the hollow points have A LOT of penetration through barriers. I think even that would stop a bear.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

Depends on the actual bullet construction. Would be OK for Black Bears, iffy on Brown/Grizzly. Appreciate you watching.

@chainbenwa2713

Жыл бұрын

@@30-06john they stopped making my favorite some years back but I still have a few boxes. Winchester partition gold. They used a 250gr nosler partition. Always opened up but never fly to pieces even in medium pack dirt. Thick jacket and hard lead.

*If you going to a grizzly place, and want to take only pistol with you, then get 44 or 454 or 460 revolver. Afcours 500 magnum better, but only if you can manage to hit the bear with that massive recoil. 2 guns always better than 1 gun. And 3 guns better than 2 guns. Going to a grizzly place only with a hand gun is a risky thing. Pepper spray always a PLUS.*

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

On the big bore revolvers, have to be able to control the recoil, and able to get 2-3 good shots off. I accidentally edited out that a properly loaded long gun should be the primary firearm. When I take multiple guns, one will be a heavy loaded long gun. Bear spray works on mildly curious Bears, plenty of incidents where the Bear charged through the spray. Thanks for watching!

@miishutka

Жыл бұрын

@@30-06john *I agree with you, personally I don't want to meet with grizzly no matter what I have with me. I know one guy was hunting, but when he met grizzly he dropped his powerful rifle and ran like crazy lol, he was lucky grizzly didn't get him. Then he had to come back to find his rifle. I also can't understand when people go hunting with bow and arrow to a place where grizzly bears lives. To me its like Russian roulette game.*

I'd prefer my 460 Rowland with 255 hard cast bullets. I have all sorts of handguns, 44 mag (both Ruger and S&W), 45 Colt, (both Ruger and S&W) 475 Linebaugh, 41 mag etc. but the 460 is no joke when it comes to fats firepower that has enough weight and energy to penetrate heavy bone and muscle. I didn't own mine when I lived in Alaska because it didn't exist yet, but if I were to move back, it would be with me in a nice chest rig when afield. Any load that is to be carried for defense afield should be tested for reliability thoroughly before ever being used and that included crimp jump.

@30-06john

Жыл бұрын

460R is in use here in Alaska, I have picked up fired brass at the range too. The big bore revolvers are the most likely to have bullets jumping crimp, even factory ammo. Buffalo Bore talks about this on his website. Thanks for watching!