100-Year-Old Ludwig Snare Drums That Still smack - The L&L Super and Pioneer
Old drums don't have to simply sit on a wall and look pretty - you can play them too! Learn about a few drums you may not have heard about before in this video! 🥁
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Ludwig Drums arguably makes the best metal snares of all time. At the least, they make the most iconic snare drums of all time. From the Supraphonic to the Black Beauty and everything in between, they're mainstays in recording studios and on concert stages around the world.
Today, we're going to look at two lesser known models from the 1930s. The first is the Ludwig & Ludwig Super, which is the precursor to the Super-Sensitive. The second is the Ludwig & Ludwig Pioneer, which is a thin nickel over brass shell that was more economical than their heavier brass shells on the Black Beauty snare drums of that era. Both the Super and the Pioneer are wonderful drums, and I hope you get a kick out of hearing them in my little video.
In this chip, I used Turkish Cymbals 15" Millennium Hi Hats, 20 Meta Brilliant Crash, a 22" Millennium Ride, and a 24" Prototype Special Dry Extra Thin Ride. Big thanks to Turkish Cymbals USA for lending me the couple snares highlighted in this video!
Audio was captured with two Universal Audio Apollo x8p interfaces using 1073 preamp modeling. Mics include:
- SE Electronics V-Kick (Kick In) - Beyer Dynamic Opus 65 (Kick Out)
- Shure Unidyne III SM57 (Snare Top)
- Rode NT55 w/ Cardioid Capsule (Snare Top)
- Audio-Technica ATM650 (Snare Bottom)
- Sennheiser MD-421 (Each Tom)
- AKG C414 TLII Pair (Overheads)
- Apex 210B Ribbon into Soyuz Launcher (Room)
- Shure 588SB (Vocal)
I use Logic Pro X, Waves Audio plugins, and I enjoy consuming salted potato chips.
And that cool mic cable? It comes from Sorry Cables in LA. - www.sorrycables.com/
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Nice. I recently got a '23 Ludwig 5x14 NOB with the 2-piece brass shell and single flange hoops w/ 8-lugs. I can't get the thing to sound bad at any tuning. I think the bearing edges that fold back and are welded into the shell give it the unique tone...creates 'sound chambers' that resonate in a cool way. If you take off all the hardware (including lugs, throw-off, etc.) and hit the bare shell with a stick it sounds like a church bell ringing. Very cool pure tone sound! I found a Remo coated CS head helped dial it in just right while leaving just enough room for some nice overtones. The NOB shell really does have a nice gold hue to it when sitting next to something chrome. Favorite fruit...a nice crispy green apple or blueberries.
@timbofromkeno
Жыл бұрын
I love a good blueberry! And man, those two-piece shells make for desert island drums. You could use that in literally any musical situation and it'd be amazing!
Vintage Ludwig drums rule! I have a few 1920’s NOB snare drums and LOVE THEM in any size.
@timbofromkeno
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Wonderful drums for sure!! 😁👊
KENO! ! ! EM 1990 EU ADQUIRI UMA LUDWIG MODELO ROCKER'S GREEN SPARKLY. ..TWO BASS DRUM DE 24 ' E TONS DE 13 ' E 14' FLOOR TONS DE 16 ' PEDAIS SPEED KING. ZILDJIAN CYMBALS. ..ENFIM, A BATERA ERA UM ESPETÁCULO. .. COMPREI USADA AQUI NO RIO DE JANEIRO RJ POR 700 DÓLARES. ..UMA BAGATELA! ! ! EU TRABALHEI COM ELA, FAZENDO SHOWS POR 18 ANOS, RODANDO O BRASIL TODO. .. DEPOIS COLOQUEI ELA NA MINHA EMPRESA DE ALUGUEL DE EQUIPAMENTOS DE PALCO E ALUGUEI -A ATE NO PRIMEIRO ROCK'IN RIO. ... EU ADORO AS BATERIAS LUDWIG, MESMO AS VINTAGE. .. QUE BOM TER TE CONHECIDO, POIS, VOCÊ TAMBÉM É UM APRECIADOR DAS LUDWIG. ... AH! E, PARABÉNS! VOCÊ TOCA MUITO BEM! PARABÉNS PELO SEU TRABALHO E PELOS SEUS VÍDEOS. .. ABRAÇÃO. RICARDO CRUZ!
@timbofromkeno
Жыл бұрын
Ricardo! Irmão, obrigado. Ludwig é a melhor marca! Vou publicar mais vídeos sobre eles no futuro!! 😃
Allready my favourite drum channel! ✌️🥸
@timbofromkeno
Жыл бұрын
Yo, thank you so much for the kind words!
KENO! ASSIM EU FICO LOUCO. ...QUANTA SNAREDRUM MARAVILHOSA. EU MESMO TIVE UMA LUDWIG ACROLITE, SENSACIONAL. ....PARABÉNS PELO SEU CANAL É DE DEIXAR QUALQUER BATERA ALUCINADO! ....TE CONHECI HOJE, ÀS 14 HORAS, E ADOREI SUA PERFORMANCE NESSE VÍDEO. PARABÉNS! RICARDO CRUZ! RIO DE JANEIRO RJ BRASIL!
@timbofromkeno
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Obrigado Ricardo. Eu também amo Ludwig Drums! Eu aprecio que você assistiu ao meu vídeo. E obrigada pelo seu comentário também!
Love the sound and the outkast shirt
@timbofromkeno
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Thanks! Love that shirt. : )
Still love my 1920's 6 lug Pioneer.
@timbofromkeno
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I really want to find an eight lugger. Those shells are just too cool!
Wow! Amazing sounding snares! Thanks
@timbofromkeno
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Super fun drums to play for sure. And thank you!
I dont even play the drums and i love these demos! Better drumming, better demo, best dude. Timbo from keno.
@timbofromkeno
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Thanks Joey. I appreciate it!!
Bruv that geriatric snare puts the beat down in the old folks home
@timbofromkeno
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Yeah baby!! Hahahaha
Another awesome snare demo. Love your stuff Tim! And you couldn't be more right about buying the stuff that makes you happy! I just acquired one of my dream pieces of analog: a Synthoma Elkorus. Never thought I'd ever own one.
@timbofromkeno
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I’ve never even heard of that one. I gotta look it up. Glad you found one!!
@pfmdude
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@@timbofromkeno it's a wonderful effect unit that basically turns anything into a vintage 70s string synthesizer.
Great sound. I have a 20’s pioneer with a thumb screw tensioner only for the snares. Sounds unbelievable, but too fragile to gig with.
@timbofromkeno
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I hear you on the fragile part, but gosh, they are wonderful drums!
These sound insanely good holy shit
@timbofromkeno
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Right???
Oranges, I love Oranges and the Ludwig Pioneer brass snare 😆
@timbofromkeno
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That's a good combo! haha
Man that pioneer snare has so much snap and its tight sounding but still holds a note too! Great snares both of them. Wouldn't want to try and fix that super though 😳 Can't say i have a favorite fruit but i do eat a banana almost every day at work, can't beat that natural yellow energy 💪 Thanks again for another informative and entertaining video dood 🤌
@timbofromkeno
Жыл бұрын
Bananas and brass snares. No better combo! 😂👊
They sound amazing... Unfortunately to get anything like either of these in Australia would need something like a car loan... I would love to do a snare shopping tour in the USA 😁.
@timbofromkeno
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I’d be happy to be your tour guide if you ever make it to Chicago!
Great content. Love a history lesson. Kit sounds huge. Great chops !!
@timbofromkeno
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Thanks Chris. I appreciate it!!
@adsph
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@@timbofromkeno I hope people appreciate what you are doing here. I believe they do. And others as well. We are all drum nuts after all. Lol.
@timbofromkeno
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@@adsph I hope so too, man, because these videos take so long to make. 😂😂😂😂
Wow!!!!!
@timbofromkeno
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Glad you got a kick out of the video, dude!
Pretty cool! Def a lot of reverb on the Super..seems like it would like to be played softly
@timbofromkeno
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I was surprised how great it sounded when I was wailing on it, but it definitely excels in quiet environments!
Personally I like a simple strainer as well but what's crazy is I watched this video Friday night, then yesterday (Saturday afternoon) I saw a bunch of drums on the market place for $50 I notice one looked like a Ludwig SS. I get there and get a closer look as the pictures on line weren't great. It was identical to the first drum, from what I'm told mine is a mid 30's Ludwig silver anniversary... 50 bucks, I'm still in shock haha just weird I had just watched this video haha
@timbofromkeno
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Shawn! Love your videos, dude. Good on ya for getting that L&L Super. That's so rad!!
@shawnsdrumcave
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@@timbofromkeno thanks brother! I'm a goon in front of a camera 🤣 wish I was as entertaining as you but I appreciate it! Yeah, I'm stoked!
Awesome man, thanks. I like how they explode when you rimshot but the wires seem to stay tighter for longer at lower dynamics (if that makes sense).
@timbofromkeno
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Yeah, the way the drum reacts to dynamics is pretty wild - both of these drums, honestly!
Great video and snares, lovely ring to 'em, nicely imparted info. Bet Carter McLean would like them filling a gap on his shelf. That mechanism!! I thought the Premier 2000 looked complicated. Would like to ask about those fabric muffle rings on the toms, they look hand made and not the usual commercial stuff? A perfectly ripe Nectarine.
@timbofromkeno
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Thanks for the kind words, Richard! Those tings are from Roots EQ. They're made in small numbers by one dude. Super good stuff. Worth a google!!
favorite flavor - easily red
@timbofromkeno
Жыл бұрын
Red is a a great flavor!
Can you please do a video on optimal rock tunings for a Supraphonic, and show what you're tuning the top/bottom in relation to each other? No pressure, but just a humble request! I like Mango's!
@timbofromkeno
Жыл бұрын
Hey James! I can definitely try to make that video. I tune most of my snares the same way, and it’s pretty easy. Tune the bottom really high, get your snare tension to taste, and then tune the top head wherever you want. I’ll get a tuning video in the queue for sure, though! 😁👊
@jamescassidy4045
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@@timbofromkeno Thanks bro, you rock! Also I'm sure you got it, but I'd love to see one on the Supraphonic specifically, and maybe some sweet spot tunings for that drum for rock! But no pressure! Anything would be great! Keep rockin, love the channel!
@timbofromkeno
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@@jamescassidy4045 Sounds good. I’ll see what I can cook up. Thanks James!
@jamescassidy4045
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@@timbofromkeno Merci Beaucoup!
Favorite flavor of fruit when it's a candy is lemon. Favorite flavor of fruit when it's a fruit is peaches.
@timbofromkeno
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Very specific fruit stats here! Hahaha 😂❤️
Man, those things slap like they were made yesterday.. Can you share how you usually tune your snares in the videos? We all know you can hit them properly.. 😅 And yes, watermelons are great! Try freezing them and running through a blender..
@timbofromkeno
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment and the kind words! I have a quick snare tuning video on another dead KZread channel from my past 😂, but I’m planning something a little different for this one. Keep an eye out. And I gotta try your watermelon trick!!
Pick the watermelons and hit them with an open hand like you would on your own belly after a rich gargantuan lunch. The ones which sound just like a big full belly are the good ones. I'm wondering how good would sound your drum set with ambassadors and no muffling man ... (I mean, I guess they'd sound gorgeous!!!)
@timbofromkeno
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I gotta try that melon technique! Haha And you’d be surprised-these drums do it all. I’ll have to let freedom ring on these little tubs soon!
Once drums started getting built to modern standards they became immortal...but it's still shocking to see and hear how good they really were even back then. Fruit fave is fresh sliced pineapple, but not on pizza because this is a Christian home.
@timbofromkeno
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Agreed! And man, I loooove a good pineapple!!
passionfruit scooped out over vanilla ice cream
@timbofromkeno
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That sounds amazing!
Do you have what you want? Do you WANT what you HAVE? Facts! I want your pocket and feel with a side of red grapes.
@timbofromkeno
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hahaha Good combo! And thank you!!
How do you go about finding those old drum heads? Also favorite fruit baaaananaa
@timbofromkeno
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Love a good banana! And those drumheads just came on the drums. I used to buy and sell a lot of vintage drums, and I'd often run across old heads that way. I've got a good little collection of that stuff now.
You going to the Chicago Drum show?
@timbofromkeno
Жыл бұрын
I was there today for load-in, I'll be there tomorrow, and I'll be there Sunday too. If you see me, come say hi!
@brent3760
Жыл бұрын
@@timbofromkeno will do! I'll be there today the 20th and tomorrow! 👍👍
Grape purple 😂
@timbofromkeno
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🤣
there you have a stick grinder, that rim will eat all of your middle stick
@timbofromkeno
Жыл бұрын
Yeah it will! Haha
I could stand to see a bit more skin
@timbofromkeno
Жыл бұрын
It’s summer, so I’ll get my cutoffs out soon. 😂😂😂
Good close personal parasocial friend Timbo, I hope you are doing well. Cool shirt!
@timbofromkeno
Жыл бұрын
Johnny! Thanks for the kind words. All is good, my friend. Hope all is good in your world too!