Hope this helps, let me know if you need to know anything else in the comments.

@gubere4677

Жыл бұрын

Hey Brit, I was changing my res and hz on my desktop pc and after saving changes my screen went black and now I dont recive any output. I have tried everything and i was wondering if you could help. Thank you

@curiousb3148

Жыл бұрын

What brands do you trust? If you were to use these mini PC's for work or for handling private personal information, which brands would you trust? Which brand do you trust when you run into problems? Which brand do you trust to remain reliably working over the next few years?

@ilijazafirov4192

Жыл бұрын

thanks for this video, most of the things are summarized, made me subscribe to your channel and this is a first time I see a video from your channel

@MegaGeorge1948

11 ай бұрын

Do any of these Mini PCs have a VGA port?

It's amazing how small computers are getting these days, I like that you can mount them behind monitor or Flat screen and not take up so much room. I believe They will keep getting better and better. Great Video!!

@Britec09

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree!

@jacobnunya808

5 ай бұрын

Some of the mini pcs can fit in an average hand.

@StevieRayLou

3 ай бұрын

Corporate IT has been buying them for years.

@crand20033

13 күн бұрын

I use my tower PC as a side table. A mini PC can't do that.

You missed one VERY important point: Does the Mini PC come with a properly licensed copy of Windows 11? I bought one and immediately realized something was wrong when it asked for three security questions rather than my Microsoft login during the initial setup. That's a strong clue that you're not getting a proper license, and enough for me to return the unit. Also look at the product description. Does it say "Windows 11" or something like "W++11"? Another strong clue, and something to be careful about!

@hkaya79

9 ай бұрын

So you mean they sent a custom Windows probably includes malware? I want to buy one soon and I was already thinking to install my own Windows instead of using preinstalled one.

@DameOfDiamonds

8 ай бұрын

Which one did you buy?

@hkaya79

8 ай бұрын

@@DameOfDiamonds Actually I later decided not to buy a mini PC :)

@pyrotek45

7 ай бұрын

That's why you use Linux or install your own windows on any pc you get.....

@bc5208

7 ай бұрын

Damn good look on this comment! I didn’t consider this factor at all!

This was a lot of good information and gave me a lot to think about. Thank you.

Great job on this. Best part was actually being able to see inside of them.

Well, I was looking for a Mini PC, but what I got was a Dell 9020 Mini Tower that was a refurbished one, with an older CPU, a 4th Gen I7. But that CPU is the same I have on my 2009 ASUS ROG Gaming laptop, and I am very happy with it, so I accepted that CPU for my PC. But that PC was loaded with RAM, 64 GB of DDR3, and 2 SSD drives, one that is 256GB for boot, and a 2 TB SSD for storage, and an ASUS 1660 Video card with 6GB memory. So I think I am really loaded, and I am not using it for gaming at all, I am using it to do Embroidery Designs, and that machine can do EVERYTHING I want it to do, and at a very fast pace, and using six different Embroidery software programs at the same time. Plus I can open 60-80 different sessions, each of it for different embroidery designs, and I can switch between them at will and without any wait. It has plenty of HDMI, USB2.0/3.0 ports, ethernet, Windows 10 PRO, that ASUS video card, plenty of RAM, and a large SSD I had a special USB Multi-port strip that connects that PC to my 20 different embroidery machines of my custom embroidery business. And I only paid 180.00 dollars for it. So I am happy with it. But my point is that I followed all those tips given here in this video, and now I am a happy owner of something that satisfies me, that has High Quality components, and without spending a lot. By the way, that machine is running two 21,5 Touch Screen monitors from ASUS, and as I said, I am very happy wit it!!!!!! Thanks Britec!!! Your videos are as always AWESOME!!!!!!

@norrad515

7 ай бұрын

Nothing wrong with these older PC's. I took a 6 year old HP EliteBook 800 SFF, add 16Gb of ram and a 1Tb SSD, and it is a screamer!

Great video, thank you. Subscribed. One suspects the typical buyer understands 'You get what you pay for' but still wants Value for Money. The big risk is a brand impersonating itself as competent when it's not, and I recognise about 10% of mini PC brands. My question, and perhaps you've covered this already, is with manufacturer support, e.g. DELL has SupportAssist, offering drivers and (if under warranty) a helpdesk. There's a premium for this, but it's a good thing. The warranty period and warranty coverage is important. My second question is about the unit's lifespan window. Laptops are expected to last 3-5 years; Desktops around 3-8 years. A mini PC?

Great tips! Thanks for the video!

Excellent content. Thanks a stack 👍👍

Excellent, and succinct! Thank you very much Sir!

@Britec09

Жыл бұрын

You are very welcome

Hello, thank you for this video. Please, what do you think about Blackview MP60 Mini PC

Thanks for sharing a comprehensive guide! Appreciate your effort in collimating the essentials of byung a mini/micro PC.

:0 😀 WELL DONE and MUCH Appreciated for next purchase :) ALL the BEST and Cheers from across the Pond!!! :)

Great tips,thanks.

Great video, I found a Minisforum based on Ryzen 4500H, 5 core, 16 GB, 500 GB NVMe for $300 usd. almost no heat, works really well, absolutely quiet and very fast!

@Britec09

Жыл бұрын

Very nice!

@SuperFredAZ

4 ай бұрын

Windows 11@@user-rw3kx5yj4x

I get GR9 Beelink i9 64 Ram, 1, M.2, 1 sata SSD, and 1 sata III SSD, I have on it all the heavy games from steam and yesterday installed Diablo IV I played them without any trouble FPS over 120, I'm really happy with my mini pc it was for $600 bucks! 👍Ok!

Great review.

Yes it did help and I wish I'd watched this before I bought a Minisforum UM580D. I watched other reviews and bought the UM580D based on those reviews. It lasted 6 weeks before it completely died. Luckily, even though it was out of the return period, Amazon allowed the return and I got a refund. I'm now looking for a replacement. It's to be a direct replacement for a ancient AMD Athlon desktop and all it's used for is browsing, email, VLC, KZread and some Graphtec cutting plotting software. The Graphtec software is Windows, but everything else is Ubuntu. Any suggestions?

Could you please advice me on what I would need in a mini to use for video editing. Or even recommend to me please. David

excellent stuff all you need to know right in that video thanks😀

@Britec09

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

You should check user reviews. Based on the reviews i found that some brands have higher failure rates than others. In my opinion that is one of the most important factors in selecting what manufacture you select.

@DarthTinderalla-qm9zw

2 күн бұрын

Most seem to have high failure rates from what I've gathered. Beelink seem to at least trying to improve the cooling and longevity, although bios sounds like they're all over the place. Any recommendations for a more reliable brand?

#1 has to be how loud it is. Loud fans on some mini pcs makes them unusable for media pcs. I got a pantera Pico pc and it's so high pitched and loud even under low loads.

I reckon any specs nowadays are good for a simple HTPC right? Good videos btw 😊

Before I got a Chinese Mele Quieter2 mini. Adding a Kingston Nvme I expected fast storage. It's only doing a quarter of what it can do. I then discovered it's a device with PCIe 2.0. Still fine for average use, but no SSD will ever be fast in there. I hope the newer ones at least have PCIe 3.0 or better. It can be very hard to find the correct one for the right price. Probably even more difficult than the laptop/pc market.

Thank you Britec for all your useful videos! Having said what you stated in this video, I wondered which company would allow a potential customer open up a mini pc and look what's inside BEFORE he pays for the mini pc ! Having purchased the item, open it up at home. then return it to get a refund will be a big hassle too!

Ya warranty and support is key. Contacting support and seeing how fast they respond to and solve issues is key. If you have issues and support requires RMAing the device half way around the world you are going to be without a computer for a while. If you have to send it out of country for repair customs declarations have to be filled out and shipping can be a killer.

@Britec09

Жыл бұрын

I agree

@GregM

Жыл бұрын

@@Britec09 Living in Canada sending stuff to the USA for RMA is costly shipping wise & if its Crucial they don't declare the replacement item as warranty repair so you wind up paying taxes on the replacement. Grey market items still exist today where warranty is only provided in certain countries & item has to be shipped back to that country for warranty.

Have any newer models with 13th Gen CPUs come out yet? Thankls.

very informative video! - got a little confused though so I shouldn't buy Chinese brands? but minisforum and beelink are both from Shenzen, CH - and Crucial seems to be manufactured there too

@StevieRayLou

3 ай бұрын

I bought a GMKTek G3 to create a NAS. I had no showstopper issues.

thank you 😀👍 🙏

@Britec09

Жыл бұрын

Welcome 😊

The nipogi that i was given has no ram stick at all. I just took it apart today to harvest the SSD before discarding the rest. The ram must be a chip on the board so one thing that you should know is, does it have actual Ram that can be replaced?.

Which budget mini pc would you recommend for video editing and streaming

Would this work for sim racing set up?

What models do you recommend for smooth 4K movie streaming?

I find if you raise the mini-pc off the ground 3inches .The heat dissipates at a faster rate. I did this with my Bee link . Glad I did

@nocomment5001

2 ай бұрын

what object did you use to raise it for reference

@worldrecord54

2 ай бұрын

Even a 1/2 inch works. I use a Betty Crocker stove element ring It is circular and is open for it to sit on . Dollar store is where I bought it@@nocomment5001

I've got the Geekom with i3 processor, silent and super quick boot, so impressed. I only use it for work. I really hope it lasts a few years.

@Obatala_Vibez

3 ай бұрын

How’s it going?

Hi what processor is best for emulation for DOS games (Blood, DN3D, Shadow Warrior) and ROM emulation up to PS2 - ARM or x86? What is the minimum GPU for decent emulation?

You are correct about the 1st two questions. What is the device going to be used for? A game machine? A desktop for general computing?

@StevieRayLou

3 ай бұрын

I had created a NAS with a Raspberry Pi4B, but got tired of issues with Raspberry OS, and other ARM issues. I bought a GMKtec Nucbox G3 to use debian12 amd64. I shrunk the win 11 partition and installed debian12. I can't get debian12 to turn on Bluetooth, but I added a keyboard under win 11. The BIOS has too many settings related to Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth. But since win 11 worked, Bluetooth must be on in bios. Perhaps debian12 doesn’t have a driver for it.

@StevieRayLou

3 ай бұрын

I bought a WD MyCloudEX2Ultra several years ago. WD has abandoned their products. They will never issue another "firmware" update. You can't upgrade the Ethernet, it has no Wi-Fi. You can't upgrade the CPU or install another OS. So I made a NAS with a Raspberry Pi4B and an 18 TB USB HDD. Raspberry OS is lagging behind x86 Linux distros, so I abandoned the Pi for an x86 NUC. I installed debian12 and I serve one Samba share with hundreds of movies and music videos. My new NUC has 2.5 G Ethernet, and 4 USB 3.0 ports truly capable of 10G speed. One question, What would compel me to install OpenMediaServer, or TrueNAS, rather than just using a Samba share? Why do people need to transcode? My Samba share is full of .mkv rips from MakeMKV, and various flavors of .mp4, .m4v, etc. All the devices I use, including a Sony blu-ray player support .mkv files.

Thanks for the Video. I'm about to buy Intel M9 Mini PC for Office Uses. I need advice for the Good/Suitable Monitor to use,,, Please advice....

@Britec09

Жыл бұрын

MOREFINE M9 MINI PC INTEL N100 is OK for office use

@nicholauslema2707

Жыл бұрын

@@Britec09 That's the exactly my Choice. I need a Good Budget Monitor to use along with this Morefine Mini PC, What Monitor do you advice?...

Damn 3/4 million subscribers should be more but I remember 1/4 million and I thought I found a hidden gem still holds true👍

Will it last for over a week, is something to consider. Will you get the blue screen and the (end of the road) failed to reinstall. At that point it is a coffee table coaster.

Can any of these run msfs2020 like the xbox series x?

Having a closer look at GEEKOM IT13: can I plug an amp i.e. LEPY LP-2020 (with 2 speaker) into the headphone jack, and it will work?

Some manufactorers (cough Lenovo cough) are vendor locking Ryzen processors to one particular machine, which means it wont accept other CPUs. While that might not sound like a big deal, it will be if you decide to upgrade your system. If youre in the second hand market, getting an older machine can be bit risky since there arent many Ryzen 5 GE processors being sold brand new anymore and you want to beef up your old Ryzen 3. Bottom line - check if your system can be upgraded. A solution can be to yank a CPU from another Lenovo machine but stars will have to allign for you to find one second hand CPU with right criteria.

I like these smaller PCs, but they do lack a bit of power, and they're no replacement for a gaming PC, but if you just want to do the basics, a mini PC, Mac mini, or Chromebox, would do the job nicely. Plus, it always depends on what you need, or want. 😁

@rudyruiz9521

4 ай бұрын

They are a fine gaming PC, I think you mean they aren't good for hardcore gaming. I would Agree. Other games like War Thunder, Roblox, RA2 etc work fine.

Can't go wrong with GEEKOM. Totally satified with the i7 version.

One of the things that annoy me is that some of these mini PCs have worse cooling then a laptop. Some just cool the processor, but the M.2 or 2.5" SSD will be hot as heck and start to throttle. I want a Minisforum Neptune HX80G and I think it has the right amount of cooling. Meanwhile the UM790 Pro, a lot of people are saying the M.2 drive is over heating pretty bad.

Can you use them to play music via mps so that you need an 3.5" output for speakers. I have not seen one with a 3.5 plug socket on it.

@utubeape

3 ай бұрын

you can get a USB to 3.5 audio jack if you have to

I need a mini pc for word, so I can access a webcam and so I can do normal online browsing. Which one would you recommend

Do these mini pc have audio/ or an microphone?

Good video, .

@Britec09

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Is that a 9V Battery socket? What's that for?

the power consumption its the big reason i want mini pc

@crand20033

13 күн бұрын

I wonder if you have to open them up and clean the dust out once a year like I do with my tower PC.

Wish there was docking stations with these that can allow the mini pc be transported from office to home, as not to have peripherals and monitors plugged in and out of them constantly.

Good info, funny how allot of them are identical

@Britec09

Жыл бұрын

I know, right?

can you explain about a jack pc ? and compare it with today's mini pc .

Good job...

@Britec09

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

I have a question, does mini pc can be used to laptop?

maybe i missed it, but what about noise level? are they all on the same level? Is it quieter than budget notebook or SonyPlaystation 5 running CyberPunk?

@Britec09

Жыл бұрын

Its a mini pc, under heavy load like AAA games or rendering videos, it will be louder

Very good advice. However, what I need is ANSWERS to questions such as: BRANDS to stay away from and why. Mini PC vs Laptop or desktop. You started when you mentioned Kingston & Crucial RAM vs no name. That's good... but perhaps there's a no name unit that has crappy RAM that you can swap out for good RAM and now have an excellent PC. We need a good IF-THEN type flowchart. Example: Q1: Will you be "gaming?" If the answer is YES, then follow this arrow; if NO then follow that arrow. The answer to that question alone should divide the pack in half. Do you want top notch Video quality? If YES, then here are the best, forget the rest. Do you need FAST performance (CPU to RAM to storage of large files and databases, etc) or is standard speed OK? That should eliminate another chunk. Soon we should be down to a half dozen models to choose from.

Do these mini pc's have sound and microphone?

The best tip i could give is that a deck or similar device will be a beast if you don't need that much performance

❤ to the 👉 point🎉

@Britec09

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

I had no idea, i wouldnt get one for the lack of gaming power. My Ryzen 7 , RTX 3090 does just fine. I was wondering if you could do a video explaining similarly to this video about Raspberyy Pi devices.

@Britec09

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

One big thing missing here for people looking. On AMD is Vega graphics vs Rdna 2 Graphics. RDNA 2 Graphics in just 6 cores R5 family can beat Vega 8 Graphics in and 8 core for Graphics. RDNA is the way to go for gaming.

My old laptop died, I just want something for web browsing, video streaming (Netflix) and occasional games such as War Thunder. What mini pc would be best for that?

They are interesting for sure... but for now I'll stick with my Fractal R5.

Hi what's the difference between pc and mini..seems like they are equal, that is in general if you spec them 1 to 1 understanding one is a mini. Also general purpose so KZread, streaming, work

@tonymarcuscassani9465

10 ай бұрын

You can give them equal use, but objectively they are not technically equal, in terms of power and capability, most mini pc's are closer to or equal to medium range to high end laptops, main difference would be that Mini PCs do not have a monitor, but that it's advantage as well, since you can use any compatible one.

I am looking for a budget pc with usb pd.

What is your opinion of Geekom's MiniAir 11 11th Gen Intel Celeron - N5095 8GB RAM+256GB SSD?

@Britec09

Жыл бұрын

I would not buy Intel Celeron

I just wanna be able to update my ssd firmware if its able to do it

Cool!

@Britec09

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

I pulled the trigger on the Beelink SER5 Pro and definitely the best bang for buck among the lot.

@flamersss

5 ай бұрын

5 months later how is it holding up? Should l get one?

@KatRollo

5 ай бұрын

@@flamersss I got the updated version which is SER5 MAX 5800H and it holds like a champ. I still have the SER5 Pro 5800H and it should be going to my mum.

@livestrong1976

4 ай бұрын

Can you keep everyone updated on an ongoing basis, I want one really bad, just didn't hear to much about driver updates

@KatRollo

4 ай бұрын

@@livestrong1976 No that's too much work. They have an official reddit.

the most important point are the ports ??????? metal or plastic??

How about hx99g

Would Just Like A Mini That Lets Me Replace My Tower Had Enough Of Power Sub Station Fan Noise Time For Silent Running Thank You

Can I connect a mini pc to a HP All in One computer?

Just one question that has been bugging me, I keep hearing people that most of mini pcs have 2-3 years lifespan, what do they mean by that? Does it mean that by 2-3 years, they will stop working and I will need to buy a new one? I'm thinking of getting one for gaming, since I heard they can be powerful for gaming or should I just get a regular PC that is guaranteed to last more years? Please answer.

@guusgeluk3693

3 ай бұрын

Have you found the answer to this?

just bought a geekom spec' i9, 32ram wifi 6, thunderbolt

Also with "passive cooling" it's gonna need a fan blowing on it.

You don't need branded hardware - if the price is very good and they publish the specs. Yes, open the PC and see if the specs match! But an "unknown" brand can be just fine. Yes I agree totally, don't pay a premium for it! Some "premium brand" parts are counterfeit as well. Better to test parts, or watch KZreadrs who open them up and test them.

Beeline off Amazon S12 for $140 plus tax I believe the motherboard is OZW with Intel Celeron N95 20watt (from review on line, can raise) 4core 4 thread, 8 GB RAM OZW 2100or 2300, I think, 256 GB M.2 NVME 2280 OZW SSD. Windows 11 Pro. Works fine. But compulsive toddler and bothered by not finding information on OZW beyond builds two brand mini pc and components. Upgraded to Crucial 16 GB 3200 RAM (made in Mexico, there have been changes at/to Crucial) Do not know if I needed 16 GB over 8 GB or if 3200 helps much or any. Seems a minor improvement. Cost $30 and tax shipped. Contemplating Crucial P3 Plus M.2 NVME 500GB SSD (cacheless) probably faster more endurance more reliable? OZW? possibly hotter. No one seems to be writing about heatsink for mini pcs. Did I mention I get obsessive and built computers long ago... Looking at a good rated $9 heatsink but may be too tall, looking at laptop.specific heatsink too. Also Crucial P5 Plus 1TB M.2 NVME SSD probably more heat but not for my uses, has cache, more speed and more endurance $50 plus tax. 500GB not enough cheaper... Price your brands, and holidays sales. Both P3/P3 Plus and P5/P5 Plus are Gen 4 listed as Gen 3 compatible. Genre I think they run hotter, have not tried yet. Crucial and Samsung come with useful software for monitoring etc. Web says Beeline will if asked send you code key for clean install. For clone need M.2 NVME 2280 adapter $14-40, I think I will purchase around $18 or $24. $18 is mentioned as used. $24 has heatsink for use as portable drive does not get as hot supposedly. I expect if you purchase more expensive ones you will get the name brand RAM and M.2 NVME 2280 SSDs reviewer has seen. I think I got the OZW for the$140 discount price? And as stated works fine and the faster increased RAM install seems to make very little difference for my uses. This is replacing an I5 2500 computer W10 built in 2012 very well. Hope this helps?

@waltermachnicz5490

11 ай бұрын

OZW 256GB M.2 NVME 2280 is Gen 3. That is why I think Replacement Gen 4s may be hotter, again usage matters a great deal. Prices Gen 3 may cost more than Gen 4.

ım totaly newbie by this dings do we need external grafic card sir britec ?

What about minisforum B550 mini pc is any good ?

@Britec09

Жыл бұрын

minisforum stopped sending me samples

@Rick-hx1ne

Жыл бұрын

@@Britec09 it also can installed video card as a hardcore gamer if the video card is out date but still use same mini pc and get upgrade video card it will be lasted while longer till out date then get a new mini pc . Maybe wise choice ? Most mini pc can installed with case opens but not fast enough it will not keep up to date whatever game’s required high end then mini pc cannot continue use for gaming but stay online like exploring or security online only . That why minisforum B550 may keep rolling 😅

The thing is who owns the company. Crucial has a factory there, but it is not chinese. They will make what the parent company wants. The point is: parent company reputation. Some brands send nice units to youtubers for review… and when you buy it, components are different. Bait and switch.

Do you know the smaller these pc's become, the more prone to disaster they are bcuz those tiny circuits give out. Casual actions, like just turning the pc on can cause a small surge that blowz it 🤔

👍

I wonder when a mini pc will be able to run games on then I will switch

I didn't know these existed until a week ago and thought they looked cool. I was wondering if they would be alright for watching movies from an external drive that's going to be attached to a wifi router or stream from prime or netflix.

@damizan8331

Жыл бұрын

That's most likely depends on the CPU and GPU (if any). 1080p vid with x264 or h264 codec should've run smoothly, but if you're talking about 4k media, that's a different class on its own.

When did they start putting USB-C ports in them?

@kmieciu4ever

10 ай бұрын

HP had USB-C in mini PCs in 2015...

i need mini pc CHEAP less than 150$ i looking many have less than 100$ aliexpress, what can use my CAD/CAM drawing only, workshop computer and internet only. what have good ? Vcarve vetric software or freecad etc, windows 7-10 about have inside.

Looking for a mini pc to play all my retro games on. But I keep hearing most mini PCs get too hot for retro gaming

@Archontasil

Жыл бұрын

depends on how retro the games are. my android box can play up to PS1 games no problem. most windows PC would be able to play PS2 emulator

@twisteddancer7773

Жыл бұрын

​@@Archontasil I've tried a few cheap android boxes and some expensive ones but they don't last long and tend to over heat after a few hours

@Archontasil

Жыл бұрын

@@twisteddancer7773 what emulator are you playing? i use very cheap android box and can run ps1 just fine

@Britec09

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that can be done on most mini pc

@kmieciu4ever

10 ай бұрын

I bought a cheap TCL QLED TV and it emulates PS1 no problem ;-)

Beware of the HDMI version. Only a few minis have "real" HDMI 2.1.

Just Wish I Stayed On At School When My Mother Told Me LOL

Can you recommend any that are manufactured in Western democracies

@utubeape

3 ай бұрын

can you recommend a western democracy?

I want it to do everything.

Everything you said applies to any computer you buy, laptop, desktop or mini.

Beelink is not a good MINI PC. At first its okay, but later on, the built-in wifi and bluetooth always disconnect and the worst part, after a year they shutdown because of heat. It would be better to build your own pc, its cheaper and easier to repair.

haha. shout out to my country, Taiwan. we do have high-quality hardware.

6:35 Everything nowadays is from China, Taiwan etc. Can't get away from that. That Crucial memory module that you pulled out is also made in China. Not everything made in China is necessarily bad or low quality.

@AladimBR

Жыл бұрын

The thing is who owns the company. Crucial has a factory there, but it is not chinese. They will make what the parent company wants. The point is: parent company reputation. Some brands send nice units to youtubers for review… and when you buy it, components are different. Bait and switch.

Its easy, actually the mini's pc intel good processors but have a bad Graphic Gpu, so Radeon are verry beter, mini start with Ryzen 3, Ryzen 5, Ryzen 7 You the best choice betwin price and spec, the winner after my test in game Ryzen 7 5800h 16Gb , this processor make in 7mn, box case is verry quality vs Nipogi in Ryzen 5 or 7. I have compare prices , you found Trigkey S5 ryzen 7 5800h (329 ...339 dollars) when is it best price, or 440 dollars standard price. My last pc is N95 16Gb its intel Gpu card 1200Mhz i keep for my tv, but when you see Ryzen 7 5800h and radeon , really its a other tech, for just many difference price take this.