New video with a higher clocked 6 Core 12 Thread CPU: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rKRmurWAnpfFqJM.html

@twmbarlwmstar

5 жыл бұрын

Cool!

@twmbarlwmstar

5 жыл бұрын

@Stimpy&Ren Increasingly it depends on the game and we are seeing games increasing multi-threaded. MS and PS haven't ivested in 12 core machines for no reason, games will make use of those cares. The current min is 4 cores (although you can virtualise 2 of those just). You stick with one or two cores if you wish but your gaming capability will be effected.

@zodiacfml

5 жыл бұрын

Intriguing, it uses 30-40 watts in those games! However, due to the low clock speed, the RX 580 is too powerful for this.

@HardBro

5 жыл бұрын

Hello, overclockers ddr3 ecc reg to 1866 mhz?

@sergiyche6318

4 жыл бұрын

What program is used to display FPS and load cores?

In Russia 2011 Ali's xeons and motherboards are very popular from 2017. A lot of peoples use it for gaming and work. My pc contains 3.2s1 motherboard, engineering sample of xeon e5 2650v2, 16 Gb of 1333 ECC Reg ram (i have bought it from old 1366 server near by 25$) and amd radeon rx578 sapphire from mining farm, it bought it 125$ ). All pc costs 450$. It contains ssd, good psu, 2tb hdd, quit cooler. P.S. Sorry for my very bad English

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

@m1srok Your English is perfect! I have 2650V2 incoming, I think it's the best all-round CPU.

@DeViLzzz2006

5 жыл бұрын

Don't apologize for your English. I understood totally what you are saying. Heck you know two languages for sure since it sounds like English isn't your first language. Knowing 2 is darn good. As for your PC you did very well in terms of cost for the pc. Enjoy.

@txtpeer5179

5 жыл бұрын

Good deal for the price make a cheap an powerful gaming setup !

@budgetking2591

5 жыл бұрын

i just bought a huanan x79 deluxe and e5 1650 v2 , i hope the motherbord will work.

@budgetking2591

5 жыл бұрын

@Richard Griffiths will the power consumption still be decent since it will run on stock voltage anyways? Most of the efficiacy goes away from overvolting right?

It really seems the more multi-threaded games become, the more interesting all these old server CPU's become.

Hey Phil, just watching now, awesome stuff. Long Live the xeon :p. Is it max 1.9GHz on all cores? If so the 2420v2 might be better? I wouldn't mind trying the 2430 v2 has 300mhz extra too on the single.

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

Yea the All-Core Turbo for this one is only 1.9 GHz! That board you recommended arrived since, and it will feature in tomorrow's video :) And yea, I did pick the 2430V2, that little extra speed seems to help. I'm having so much fun with these parts! Buying new, man I just get buyers remorse, can't really enjoy it, but these Xeons are such good value...

@techyescity

5 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab Yeah it's a lot of fun, though be 'careful' of zombieload and other security flaws that might scare you into buying new parts, because hey gotta someone get people off this amazing price performance :p.

The manufacturer would probably say m.2 is so fast, you won't even see the HDD-LED blinking. XD

@user-yv2cz8oj1k

4 жыл бұрын

Well if you want a silly flashing light, most people can tell the drive is working. 🤣

I built huanan systems like this for value when RAM prices were insane. Great video!

@NotAnAlienlol

4 жыл бұрын

Does this board oc

@andresyepes367

4 жыл бұрын

@@NotAnAlienlol Only for 1650-1660 v2-v3. For the rest, except engineering sample CPUs, there is a bios hack made by russians.

@francescovolpini

4 жыл бұрын

@@andresyepes367 you are totally wrong. every cpu on the 16 series is unlocked, and this motherboard only supports v1 and v2 cpus.

@andresyepes367

4 жыл бұрын

@@francescovolpini You are absolutely right, I meant v1-v2. About the board, do you recommend it? Thank you in advance.

Very nice video, I always like the challenge of creating systems with older parts that can be used for a variety of things; it's good to recycle and reuse what already exists if possible! Keep up the good work!

guess it would be a good testing board for high core count to a dev on a budget.

@y__h

5 жыл бұрын

If you don't mind the slowdown, you can always get "free" multicore by running your software on QEMU VM and overprovisioning the CPU core count.

@zuubu

2 жыл бұрын

why would a dev need high core count?

I like the AMD coolers... I was able to slap a wraith spire rgb from my 2700x on an athlon 64 3200 windows 98 build no problem.

I am currently running a 2680 v2, and it's the best of both worlds. 10 cores 20 threads and a base clock of 2.8 GHZ. It boosts to 3.6 GHZ and usually usually boosts to 3.1 GHZ at all 10 cores being used.

@kennethearl9878

3 жыл бұрын

How about 2689? Any opinion about it for video editing?

Chinese x79 board?!? You're on my turf bro! ;-)

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

Good seeing you :) Do share your thoughts, you've tested a fair amount of gear.

@CraftComputing

5 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab One of the nicer x79's I've seen come up. I really like the standard layout and size. As you mentioned, I've struggled with mounting screws and placements issues on some of the boards I've tested. Also really nice to see PCIe supported booting, as that's something that is missing from a number of other boards, preventing the use of HBA, RAID, or NVMe booting for server use. I think you hit the nail on the head as far as value goes. For $140, it's a pretty solid deal, but any higher than that and you really should look at a more modern platform. I think that will be especially true once Ryzen 3 3000 series CPUs and B550 boards are announced. I'd be curious to see what kind of performance you'd see at 1440p in a number of these games, when the CPU is less of a factor. Overall, you've got probably the most complete board I've seen. Quad channel memory, dual NVMe, good layout on the PCIe ports, and standard locations for power, SATA, and IO. I would still like to see some BIOS improvements and possibly some overclocking ability to further extend the value. Perhaps a price drop in some of the high Xeons will come before too long (E5-2687w v2 maybe). Good stuff Phil!

@jb678901

5 жыл бұрын

@@CraftComputing Might you know where to source plastic standoffs? The three standoff holes on the vertical edge closest to the front of the case do not reach the standard ATX standoff holes in my ATX case. Using a HuananZhi Deluxe in a CoolerMaster Masterbox Pro RGB. Not a deal killer....still plenty of support there. However, the OCD is unsatisfied. Enjoying a good craft beer while typing this.

If you need any help with portuguese and/or russian count me in, Phil. DM me, no joke! Great content as usual btw. Amazing prices I must say, 25 bucks, damn!

@Guilherme_Oliveira72

5 жыл бұрын

Me too bro! I'm portuguese so I can always help

@eduardoavila646

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, i'm brazilian, i can help with the other type of portuguese.

@gandrurass

5 жыл бұрын

can do russian, if you need

@canss1951

5 жыл бұрын

I cant do anything , I am speechless

@vicchopin

5 жыл бұрын

@@canss1951 YES YOU CAN, CAN!

Finally someone does a gaming build video on this! I've been looking into this socket type. And there's quite a lot variety in the CPUs for someone on an extreme budget. The only downside is it's hard to find a *Good* motherboard for cheap.

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

So from what I gathered, this HUANAN company more or less does all the boards. The other brands, are just like OEM versions of some sorts. This uATX board worked great, not a single hitch, crash or any issue whatsoever. I'm also getting this PLEXHD X79 Turbo, it's similar, but larger, so more PCIe slots, POST 7-segment, power and reset buttons, but in terms of function it should be identical.

Great video once again Phil, this would a great option for a cheap home server (Plex, FreeNas,ETC) since it supports ECC memory.

My HUANAN mobo intended for home server died for no reason. I got another a bit cheper no name one for 6 core 3.5ghz chip and now it works fine... But in retrospective It would be better and cheaper to get b350 and r5 1600. Ok registred ram is cheap.

@ucliker

5 жыл бұрын

I agree and once AMD Ryzen 3000 gets released you will see the 1st generation Ryzen processors and X370/B350 motherboards drop a lot in price. I love my Ryzen 1700 system but I will probably upgrade once Ryzen 3000 gets released.

5 жыл бұрын

@@ucliker I have 1700 as well as a main pc, that is overkill for home server, and it struggles only with some games and I don't really have time to play them any more so I will keep it for some more time and wait for 4000 or 5000 series. And then get something mid range.

LGA 2011 is an awesome platform, cheap and still very capable today. I bought an OEM HP workstation for about $155 on ebay, came with 16GB quad channel, and even a 2TB hard drive and an old Nvidia Quadro. Then got an E5-2690 (8 core 2.9GHz, 3.3GHz turbo) for about $70 so $225 USD for an entire 8 core/16GB RAM/2TB system... not bad. Put my GTX 1060 and 1070 in there, using the 1070 for GPU pass-through in a virtual machine for windows games.

@joshuascholar3220

5 жыл бұрын

I bought a dell precision t5600 for $235 on ebay, put in two(!) e5-2690s from ebay ($90 each), 32 gb of ram ($23) and an 8gb rx 470 from ebay for $83. It came with a 1 tb hd and I put in a 500gb ssd for $51, so that's a pretty cool system for $600

@zZzManzZz

5 жыл бұрын

@@joshuascholar3220 Nice rig, I feel like if I got the dual CPU module with the 2690 my system would probably melt haha

@jb678901

5 жыл бұрын

I got a decommissioned DELL Precision T5600 for free from my company. It has dual E5-2667 (2x6C12T, 2.9GHz / max turbo 3.5GHz) 8x4GB 1600MHz R-EEC RAM, a 500GB HDD and 825W power supply. It also had a RAID card...which I removed. I did install an old Soundblaster sound card from a venerable LGA775 PC that had finally died after 11 years of good use. Thru in an SSD with fresh install of WIN10Pro plus a GTX 970 OC'd. Voila! For less than 200 US dollars out of pocket, a very decent gaming rig...plus productivity of course. Note, I did have to get an PCI-E 6 pin to 8 pin adapter for the GPU...the DELL does not have a lot of cable choice off of the modular OEM power supply.

KZread just recomended me this so glad, very detailed. Now i have a good backlog of stuff to watch from you

FINALLY....someone doing a decent review of Huanan in English!!!!! I bought the HuananZhi Deluxe X79 with m.2 NVME. Coupled it with E5-1650V2 and 4x 8GB 1600MHz R-EEC Samsung RAM (clocked to 1866). I can set the core multipliers to 40x in BIOS and boot from the NVME! GPU is a GTX980. The only thing I highly recommend is to add a small fan (60 or 80mm) to blow directly on the VRM's. I also have an E5-1660 coupled to an ASROCK X79 Extreme 3 and 16GB 1600MHz R-EEC RAM (clocked to 1866) . The MB does not allow for V2 CPU's, hence I went with an E5-1660...version "1". Here, I can OC to 4.5Ghz...but I typically run it at 4.1 GHz. I also installed a fan to the VRM's for OCing. Also with a GTX980. For both, I went with a Chinese CPU cooler, 4 loop, dual radiator, dual fan with blue LED for about $25 ea. Lastly, a DELL Precision T5600 with dual E5-2667 and 16GB RAM, coupled to a GTX 970 OC'd. (I received this RIG, except the GPU, for free from my company during a decommissioning deal). It came with an 825W power supply. All run well and temps OK; 1080P in high or ultra at around 60FPS or better for the E5-1660 and E5-1650V2. With new cases (2 x CoolerMaster MasterBox Pro RGB, 2x 650W Bronze Power Supplies...for all three platforms I was out of pocket about $1300...hard to beat).

@robotrock6046

5 жыл бұрын

have you tested NVMe? does it boot properly from NVMe?

@jb678901

5 жыл бұрын

@@robotrock6046 Yes, on the HuananZhi Deluxe X79 motherboard, its worked fine on first install. It automatically recognized the installed NVME m.2 drive (I had no other drives installed, other than the USB boot device used for Win10Pro install).

this Huanan brand needs to be recognized, it might be a good idea to improve the pletora of motherboards, with a extremely cheap one, that can fulfill the spare pc part.

@mito-pb8qg

5 жыл бұрын

There is Biostar though.

Also an excellent vid on relevant topics. Hopefully your channel will be getting some good growth and your subbies count keeps growing. 👍

Sandy Bridge FTW. There are huge numbers of SB machines out there for cheap now and they're amazing for the price.

@Zero11s

5 жыл бұрын

with nice security holes

After watching this video, I bought one of these boards, E5-2650L V2 chip, and had some server memory already to build a PC for VR in the living room with a 1080 Ti. Thanks for the review, I would have had no idea these magical motherboards existed otherwise! Now I've decided to wait for the new Valve VR headsets... Late October 😬

@sadmonstaa

4 жыл бұрын

So, after 5 months, how does it all work? Is it still fine?

Figures it would be x79, I did x99 on the cheap using an $109 QS 12 core a couple years ago. X79 is a good spot for a lot of games for the past two decades plus it has tons of pci-e lanes for sli/crossfire builds.

@thomasschraubt7497

5 жыл бұрын

With these chinese boards it seems sli/crossfire runs very badly if all. So far I haven't seen a chinese board with good results.

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

@@thomasschraubt7497 AFAIK SLI is a no go, they do not pay for the licence, so the SLI logo is just fake :)

@MrKillswitch88

5 жыл бұрын

@@thomasschraubt7497 I don't use Chinese boards preferring name brand even though I end up paying more that is ok as I still saved on the cpu.

@larrykozlowski6305

5 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab you can inject the sli certificate if you really want to try running sli on them.

Great video, as always! I got a Lenovo S30 and put a Xeon E5-2660 in it. I'm really happy with it until I can afford something newer.

F** yeah bonus video!!

I was considering one of these boards as an upgrade from an A10 5800K, but eventually opted for a more reputable 1366 board instead since there's few reviews online. Got an Asus board with a bent socket pin for around $60, straightened it out, put in a $10 W3520, and OC'd it to 4GHZ. It's not super powerful, but it's a decent upgrade from the old CPU.

@seylaw

5 жыл бұрын

I really like 1366 Xeons as well, but from my testing with a 4-core and 6-core Westmere (both overclocked), in BF1 the 6-core was smoother. As both are really cheap nowadays, I'd recommend the 6-core for multi-core gaming.

A lot of people have been trying this brand of boards. Thank you for also doing a review.

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

It's a nice board!

For US resident, buy a old thinkstation s30. It has a native PCI slot compatible FM passthrough gehehe. Check board revision is 1.0 or 2.0. Only 2.0 support V2 CPUs.

@jb678901

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, these work stations can be had for next to nothing and if you can live without overclocking, are solid buys. Hence avoid E5-1XXX's (no sense to pay premium for a used unlocked CPU). Best CPU's in this case and IMO are the E5-2680/2687W/2690 if you want to game at 1080P High+. My youngest has received my Dell T5600 (dual E5-2667, 825W PS, GTX 970OC). Because it doesn't have all the RGB bling, I dressed it up with some gray carbon (the stuff used for car exteriors) vinyl adhesives (eBay on the cheap) on the side panel and a metal Avengers badge (IRON MAN, off of eBay) on the top. Kid loves it. Handles Fortnite at 1080P EPIC settings without issue (low 60FPS, AVG 100+).

Seems to perform similarly to my i7 3770k at 4.5ghz in games with a lot of multi threading, but then of course mine performs a lot better in the ubisoft titles you mentioned since it's just got that clock speed advantage. Interesting that some older server parts can actually keep up since games are increasingly better utilising many core CPUs.

@antikz3731

5 жыл бұрын

Single Male Gamer my 3770 was far better than this

The board is sending "TU" in Morse Code at startup (short for Thank You, I assume)

Enjoy and appreciate your reviews and the info you provide, especially on older motherboards and processors. As I am one those on a budget and alwas looking for the best bang for my buck : )

Yep for gaming the quad core is coming to an end. Which makes one think the budget options in the future should be a minimum of 6 cores. It's the times we live in.

Excellent review Phil, I appreciate your effort.

Ubisoft has always had poorly optimized games. Try installing the old Beowulf Game (the old version before it was patched), watch the FPS & feel the gameplay out, than Patch the Game with the latest patch & play it again, huge difference. If I install Beowulf without the patch it still makes my modern systems lag.

@mbe102

5 жыл бұрын

How is that game?

@dhgodzilla1

5 жыл бұрын

@@mbe102 Not too bad. Like a early God of War style game for the most part. Worth checking out if you like the old God of War style action/role playing or if you liked the CGI 2011 Beowulf movie

@dhgodzilla1

5 жыл бұрын

Also don't forget to download & add the latest patch ;)

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

@dhgodzilla1 This seems to be an older game? Should run well on anything modern I guess?

@dhgodzilla1

5 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab yeah especially if you patch it. The requirements are as low as a Pentium 4 but it ran kinda slow on the P4s I tried it on. Still ran kinda slow on max settings on a maxed out Core 2 Quad Extreme until I patched it, than it ran fine. I tried the game on an i7 i7 4770k with 16Gigs of DDR3 Ram & a 8Gig RX 570 OC & it ran better for sure after the patch. But I have the original copy of the Game that came with the DVD back when it came out, so anyone downloading a digital copy probly will have the latest version. If I get bored enough I will try it again on a couple systems I have with & without the patch. I also never used Afterburner when patching & testing the Game before & after, I'd like to see the difference on the CPU too.

Awesome video man! I just bought a Xeon E 1220 for my SFF optiplex! Hopefully it all works!!! SANDY BRIDGE FOREVER!!! PS. this is just my side computer. LOL.

Loving the detail. Looking forward to seeing more videos about this. I have been wondering if these cpu's would be good for video editing. Would be cool to see what its capable of in premier pro and after effects.

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

I only use Cyberlink PowerDirector :P

I have an x79 system (2013): 4960x + p9x79 deluxe. Working well but getting old.

@ucliker

5 жыл бұрын

Honestly it really boils down to what you do with your system. Some software is better optimized for newer processors and chip-sets while others still do well with older hardware. I know with Linux older hardware still works great.

That Firestrike is just slightly higher than I got with a 4 core/8 thread LGA 1156 Xeon with the rx470d that you recommended a few weeks ago.

@kushi4364

5 жыл бұрын

inkysteve x3440 ?

If only these motherboards were priced competitively we'd have some real value here. Still if games continue to better utilize multiple cores in the future maybe these system will be a better value than they seem? It's definitely hard to justify some of these older Xeons when you can find Ryzen motherboards new for $40usd. We really need to locate a deal like this that is also overclockable. These things would scream if we could ramp them up! Last Xeon I built was a w3690 on HP Z400 motherboard and overclocked using XTU.

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

Yea I'm hoping Ryzen will put some pressure on prices with these old parts. It's true, when a deal is going on, you can get a brand new Ryzen board for very little money.

@andrievbastichy8551

5 жыл бұрын

where? send me a link brp for the ryzen mobos at 40! thanks in advance

i mean yeah 10 cores and 20 threads but 2ghz hmm i would like to see the xeon x5650s more together with overclocks.

@Carbiniz3r

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly, i used X5680s with a GTX 1050Ti and 16GB DDR3 and not only do they clock at higher Ghz, they also have a welded die which means theres no need for delidding/extra cooling at all. They can take the heat beatings all day and never fail. It turned out very well, Youll get 100+ Fps at 1080P gaming from most games, even in the chunkier more demanding games like PUBG/ARK it was still on the happier end above 30FPS

If you compare to Ryzen...this type of setup makes more sense when you are going with >=32GB of RAM. The R-EEC RAM is so cheap...this is where the savings are found. The Huanan Deluxe X79 allows for m.2 NVME boot. The E5-1650, 1660, 1650V2 are great for overclocking (all are 6C12T)...but you need to find a board and bios that support this. Unless you use a Russian BIOS mod on the Huanan, it is not possible to go beyond the 40x multiplier in stock bios. With the mod, it apparently support up to 4.5Ghz. I do not speak Russian, so I settled for the stock bios. The mainstream branded X79 boards do not have m.2 NVME, but they are much better for overclocking. With some, you can apparently install NVME via PCIE, but I do not think you can boot from these, like on the HuanaZhi Deluxe where it already comes with an m.2 NVME slot. Also, the cheapest mainstream branded board that supports overclocking seems to be the ASROCK Extreme 3, at around US$180-200 on eBay (at the moment). However, this LGA-2011 socketed board does not support E5-XXXX (V2). The best you can do on this board for overclocking is the E5-1660. If you need more cores...consider E5-2690, 2687W or the more expensive E5-1680V2.

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, great tips.

@ZLO_FAF

5 жыл бұрын

my board did overclock to 4.2 out of the box. Huanan Deluxe. AFAIK they take BIOS from Huanan Deluxe x79 and use it on other motherboards so you can overclock or adjust timings. There is some luck element, some boards may have lower voltage, some may have higher. some CPUs are better some are worse, so people do report getting 4.4 ghz with 1650v2 on stock bios. The "mod" you talk about is called "voltmod" and you need to solder a resitor to a certain spot on the motherboard and this action basicly increases voltage.

@jb678901

5 жыл бұрын

@@ZLO_FAF Thanks for this info. I saw a recent KZread post today on this very issue. kzread.info/dash/bejne/e6xsk5eaoqTalaw.html I have not played with the power durations to date, so maybe this is why the OC was limited to the 40x multiplier when I first attempted OC. Any insights are much appreciated. In any event, I will not push above 4.2 GHz. No need for my use case.

Great video. Brian will be happy you mentioned him. 2011 socket coolers ? Tricky

@WeaponsGG

5 жыл бұрын

just ziptie something really tight to it LOL

@jb678901

5 жыл бұрын

I went with this... www.aliexpress.com/item/32851562453.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4d9bllQC Does very well. TechYes City did a compare with Corsair et al. These cheap Chinese coolers hold their own.

i am from Russia. There are some hard in my pc: e5 2620 v2/ 32gb ddr3 1600 quad channel memory/ x 79 t v1.0.1 turbo/ gtx 1066. this configuration can launch any game at 2k resolution, some games, like gta5, - at 4k but without msaa and high shaders - 36-45 fps. e5 2620 costs 20$

1st gen ryzen price is dropping rapidly and b350 mobos are dirt cheap. I would go for 1st gen ryzen but good vid mate. Really enjoy watching it.

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

Yea this will put pressure on old Xeon parts, so they should come down soon.

@christophweber5688

5 жыл бұрын

The Intel bugs mitigations also slow down the efficiency. Bad times for intel. AM4 makes more sense. In a few years upgrade to a better Ryzen.

@haziqsembilanlima

5 жыл бұрын

I heard newer batch of first gen ryzen also overclocks well, some able to get 4.1GHz if im not mistaken and that frequency is Zen+ territory (first gen Ryzen is Zen)

@smokeinc9800

5 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab ikr or u cant get a a320 board thatvwoud be good to i have a ryzen 2200g and 320m board and a rx 580 8gb i will update processor soon

4770k LGA1150 vs LGA2011 winner ?

Good that u are trying these mobos...do order them more and show us the vrm temps....maybe use a thermal cam...

I have a MSI BIG BANG XPOWER II X79 with a i7 4820k I love it!!

The main complaints I have seen with these Huanan motherboards is that overclocking is very limited, the VRMs are poor and the M.2 slots either don't work or don't allow you to boot from the drive. You should definitely try a higher powered CPU to stress the VRMs more.

@voteDC

5 жыл бұрын

The motherboard I have also has M.2 slot but it only supports NVMe drives and not SATA M.2 models.

I would be interested in HT on vs. off tests, especially with these high core count CPUs. :)

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

@André Bachmann Yea, in Shadow of the Tomb Raider, I got better results with HT off.

@andrebachmann1475

5 жыл бұрын

"Better results" feels a bit too... unscientific for my taste. ;)

This 10 core CPU reminds me of Phenom X3. I mean, 3 cores and 10 cores are very unusual numbers in tech world. Interesting stuff and a perfect choice for video.

@louistournas120

5 жыл бұрын

Perhaps a 10 core xeon is actually a 12 core with 2 cores disabled because they are faulty or because they are fine and Intel wants to sell a cheaper version. I had a Phenom II X2 that I ran as a X4. I played Battlefield 1 and a bunch of games and it was just fine.

@hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086

4 жыл бұрын

Not that rare, actually it's quite common on Xeon family.

The high core count will be decent for hyperv or ESX or KVM virtual box . And good to see even with such low clock speed its get decent performance in synthetics .

I just got two x5650 for 20$. 12 cores 24 threads. Works great in Intel dual socket server.

@alantan157

5 жыл бұрын

X5650 is 6 cores 12 threads. Not 12 coress 24 threads.

@baracuda9052

5 жыл бұрын

Alan Tan i have two can you read? I have Intel server board with dual sockets

A great game that loves a tonne of processor cores is Monster Hunter World.

That boot beep sounds suspiciously like Supermicro’s boot beeps, but mangled.

@TheAndrewDET

5 жыл бұрын

I though the same, I'm pretty sure that it's something with the connected usb devices. I have a EVGA board that does the same.

@reubenmitchell5269

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheAndrewDET same BIOS (AMT) maybe? Looks familar

Hello Phil, few things about the memory, boards and CPUs. First, you are mistaken about one thing and that is the impact of quad channel. It does basically nothing in games (and most other apps too, it has small benefit only in compression), things really do not scale with channels. They do in synthetic benchmarks only, but that's not realistic scenario. What those do is load all CPU threads with code that tries to move data in memory and at the end it counts the numbers together and poof there is your results. But real world apps do not work that way. They usually need something from memory and they need it asap, most of the time is wasted by the latency before the data is found, and then the actual bandwidth needed to read it fast enough for the CPU to process, well, it just does not scale over dual. Same goes to latency, always look at the overall latency, not just the numbers. DDR3 at 1333CL9 will still have worse latency than DDR4 3200 CL16. So overall, even for X99 if one has dual or tripple kit, no need to worry, you are not loosing performance here. Same applies to X99 and any other ringbus based Intels. As it comes to the board, these Chinese boards are chaos. The issues is you do not know what chipset are you getting. The early ones had really X79 which was fine, cause you could overclock them slightly on the unlocked chips. Yeah no vcore modification support but they could still go to 4Ghz. But these days they are throwing H77 and B75 chips there (like here, single Sata3 and 5x Sata2 is a B75 tale), which is nice for the native USB 3.0 support but they do not overclock. Also shame for your power consumption, my idle is about half, I guess the C-states are not working right on your board. Few years ago Iv got this one for my sisters PC ( i.imgur.com/Mf3iLnL.jpg ) with E5-1650v2, got it to 4Ghz and its still really good machine. As it comes to the CPUs, avoid the low clocked ones its not worth it, if it cannot go over 3Ghz on all-core-turbo its not worth it. Good deals in general are the E5-1650, 1660 and 1680 both V1 and V2, cause those models are unlocked, and if your motherboard can overclock you are golden. For the locked ones, best are E5-2689, 2690, 2687W, 2667v2, 2673v2 ,2680v2, 2690v2. Engineering samples are also an option, and very frequent with Sandy. Generally, the SB-E ES chips, there is one rule, stick to the C-stepping chips. C0 C1 C2 are all good, perform like retail. The B steppings have tons of compatibility issues and I recommend avoiding those.

@thomasschraubt7497

5 жыл бұрын

agreed, the B75 is probably the least desired chipset you can get in their lottery and unfortunately most sellers don't read your message if you decide to put a note with your order.. so it is down to luck what you end up with

Very interesting. Can you make the same tests using 1080p resolution as 720p is very vintage in 2019. Of course 1080p is GPU demanding, but what is interesting is the possibility to see if there's a CPU or RAM bottleneck. Good vidéo !!

get a 1650 v2 - you can get the for around 100 busk. If you do bios mod you can get 4.0 to 4.2 ghz. Then it is as fast as a i5 8400 i most games.

@mitchell3876

5 жыл бұрын

Also, changing the short/long duration power limits in the bios help with increasing frequency. Sometimes you can run into power limits before voltage :)

@pepeshopping

5 жыл бұрын

Lasse Berg So tell us then the power usage.

@lasseberg7317

5 жыл бұрын

@@mitchell3876 true :)

@combatantezoteric2965

5 жыл бұрын

If you dont care about the much higher price of the non ecc/ddr4 ram, a decent deal on a ryzen 5 1600 should give you this cpu for the same money. And even without overclock it still has a higher single score speed thab the e5 1650 V1. there is no way you can find a V2 for 100 bucks. Show proof please.

@combatantezoteric2965

5 жыл бұрын

The v2's go for 150-200

Yup. Sandy Bridge FTW

@stefanosong9314

5 жыл бұрын

I saw ivy bridge

This is an exciting platform to learn about! I would love for you to fire up the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility to see if it is even compatible or, dare I say it, able to overclock the system!

@thomasschraubt7497

5 жыл бұрын

You can use it if you get a board with the server chipset. Unfortunately the sellers do not guarantee which chipset you get, it is a lottery. In my case I bought 2 PlexHD boards, one on H77 the other on Q75.

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

I ran that tool, it displayed some stats, but I couldn't see options to OC.

I am still a great supporter of X79, even more so than X58. In fact, the only reason i swapped to a Ryzen build instead of maintaining my 4930k+Rampage IV Black is because of the native NVMe support on it (X79 had none, most if not all of those mobos had it added, and my X79 mobo also has a custom modded BIOS with NVMe support). However, it didn't fully replace it, as i did replace my 4930k with a Xeon 12 core CPU and has been pulling duty as my server for a while.

Hello, hopefully you will notice me but xeon e5 2689 is best deal for this socket rn 3.3 ghz on all 8c/16t you should try it

@spacy9571

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you and btw it only costs 50$

this was a pretty decent video. Good job.

I'm glad this came up. This is pretty neat and I would love to test this out at some point.

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

There is more to come, so don't rush it :D

x79 platform would be quite useful if you need a good amount of memory for a limited budget, like >128GB, since the DDR3 w/ECC memory is extremely cheap now. Other than that, it doesn't give much performance advantage for your bucks.

Well done Phil 👍

i'm still running X79 when i built in 2o14

Awesome to see you doing some 10 core tests. Not at all surprised that hyper-threading doesn't help much. I actually commented way back in March on your 3-Way SLI video about trying LGA 1567. They seem to have much more reasonable prices ($10 for 2.4GHz 10 core), although according to Passmark a 2.4GHz E7-2870 has slightly worse single threaded performance to your 1.7GHz E5-2650L v2. I still think it funny (and silly) to go with my suggestion of a quad CPU setup, but I doubt it'd show better results as it doesn't look like your system is really taxing the CPUs above even 50% per core. The one test that'd be interesting to see is just how effective ECC memory is actually. I know rowhammer might be something that could possibly be used. Otherwise, other than the cheaper price it's hard to know what, if any, value there is to it. Probably the best results would simply be pulled from long running servers in large datacenters. Still, it'd be interesting to know if ECC is actually useful at all for a user's system for security or error detection. :/

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

I guess if there is a market, the Chinese will build motherboards :) On the flipside, as soon as there are motherboards, the CPU prices will go up. I think ECC is nice to have, gives you a sense of security. I certainly had zero issues so far, not a single crash, blue screen or anything, it's been working wonderfully, but I've already moved onto testing the next board and CPU :D

Prices on Aliexpress seem to have gone up about $40 but you can still grab them on ebay around $40-50

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

There are always deals, just keep browsing and wait for discounts.

I'd rly love to see you test a similar boards with dual sockets! maybe even virtualize all the retro gaming rigs on just one PC.. all at once ? xD

That's true, that 2011 is very popular in Russia, but now the situation is changing. They gain popularity in 2017-early2018 because of mining epidemy and really INSANE prices for DDR4 RAM and any gpu's upper than...idk, gt1030??? So, very popular build was to buy this platform with cheap ECC-REG DDR3 + used GPU from mining rig, or non-mining card(smth like gtx770/970/old radeons). And the whole system with 6/12 cpu, 16gb ram and a reasonable gpu costed like a new i3, 8gb ddr4 and 1050ti. But now the situation has changed a lot. The Ryzen build cost about the same as a reasonable 2011 build(i mean 8/16+16gb), but you are getting a moder platform, that can be upgraded to 3000 series in the future; a modern ram that can be used in the future; you got all modern interfaces like sata3, nvme, usb3.1/usb-c; another important thing is the guarantee. Aaaaaand, the ryzen pc got a pretty alike performance. Especially if you overclock your ram to 3000+ MHz, or just buy already OC ram. Idk the prices in your contry, but in Russia you can build X370+R5 1600+16Gb or B450+R7 1700+8gb for about the same price(maybe 1-2k rubles more- it's less than 20-40$). So, now there is a very little reason in building 2011 system from zero; maybe reasonable if you have 16Gb of ddr3 and gpu and you are on a very VERY tight budget. P.S. sorry for my english. Your videos are great x)

Hi, first of all, thanks for makink such a great channel! I've seen pretty much all of your videos so far!!! I actually have bought one x79 zd3 last week and i am quite satisfied with the 1650v2 i've put in it... But I have a problem, the cd driver they shipped to me with the mainboard is not readable at all (after spinning for a wile, windows eject it) and i want to kindly ask you if you can upload the drivers and the stuff tha's in the cd, somewhere online, so that i can make a backup of it... THANKS IN ADVANCE, I AM A BIG FAN OF YOUR CHANNEL!!! KEEP GOING MAN!!

Nice to see you got 1356 2011 stuff! I really like the platform. But those Chinese motherboards would not be my choice. My 3 brands would be intel tyan and supermicro. Nice to see the E5 2650L V2!! Im thinking to get 2 of those for my server.

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

The chinese boards and low prices are the entire reason I'm covering this platform! More expensive boards make no sense, as you can get a Ryzen board and R5 1600 / R5 2600 brand new for a decent price.

I have a e5 2680v2 still quite the beast, have 64GB of DDR3 in there (4x16GB) running at 1650MHz CL8 (BCLK of 103,3) doesn't seem to bottleneck my gtx 1080 too much :)

@MrRomanvideo

5 жыл бұрын

Low bclk, try to set up 1.3-1.35 voltage for cpu and 106.5 bclk minimum.

@jb678901

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrRomanvideo If I could only trust Google (which is a stretch) to help me translate through the massive amount of golden information on many of the Russian KZreadr sites, that would be great. Especially that Dr.Abgreyd. That man can do some magic with these rigs. You guys have really have this sh!t figured out!

not only with the upgrade option. I maxed out ram to 1333mhz 64Gig E52687 xeon 8 cores at 3.7ghz x2 and board x79 dual. under 750 with an already 1080ti and its pumping 300+FPS on max 720 settings with all cores at less than 30-35% and 140-170fps on 1080 medium with v scale and less chopping but the core speed at 3.7 on the first 2 processors at 60% load with overwatch was impressive.. I wonder what a 2080ti would do... But motherboard parts and the quality. just be careful and check caps and screws have not fallen. and yeah. turn off HT. its only for little calculations that the GPU can do in the same amount of time if you fiddle with the settings on nvidia. The only thing letting it down. its 2011 with 22nm but clock it 5-10% more, its happy and just does what the non clocked version is good. I fount these a while back... The Huanan chip is based off the old intel chipset systems but with a better bus ram speed. so if you want thunderbolt, pci-e with the PWM modulator via your power supply and it will bump upto 42v output if needed. So really glad I saw these motherboards back in late 2018. will buy another when i can afford it :) thanks phil great work.

@MrRourk

5 жыл бұрын

More info on your motherboard please :)

Excellent video. Building computers using this platform could be a great way to assemble computers from old parts and make money. Prices on new computer gear in Canada are very high, and many people would like the price/performance ratio of this equipment.

@mapesdhs597

5 жыл бұрын

The problem with building computers in that way for people is the after sales support, ie. they *will* come back for help with a gazillion different issues (and if you're using OEM Windows licenses then you're obliged to help, or you could sell the PCs with Linux and just let the buyer get Windows on their own if they want to). Unless one can handle that somehow, the time taken up can make the whole thing uneconomic. It can also quickly become a saturated market, and remember you'd be dealing with the kind of buyer less likely to understand the rationale of why what you have for sale makes more sense to buy then rival product X or cheaper product Y (ie by definition they're buyers with low budgets and little technical knowledge, otherwise they'd be buying something better and/or building it themselves). It can become a race to the bottom with thin margins, and the profit for a whole month can be wiped out by just one disgruntled buyer who demands a return & refund (whether their claim is legit or not). Alas the pen & paper math of buy-low-sell-high rarely translates smoothly into the real world. It can sound great, but things go wrong, there are unexpected costs, it can be time consuming, etc. Remember the Penny Blossom episode from BBT? :D

@bactanite

5 жыл бұрын

@@mapesdhs597 Thank you. What you say makes sense.

I always enjoy watching how he bend all the motherboards.

E5-2650 V2 will make better performance.(8 core 2.60 to 3.40ghz same price)

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

Yup, I've got one underway :)

Has anyone ever mentions you sound like Korg from Thor Ragnarok?

I am still running my P9x75 pro LGA2011 motherboard that I bought new with a sandy bridge i7-3820 when it came out. I am looking at getting a E5-2687W v2, 3.4 GHz processor for it. I am concerned about not having any bios update support though.

Not only you can use these CPUs for budget builds, but if you wander throughout the eBay you can find 2697 v3 which is on par or even outperforms 9900k in some tasks for about 370€(yes you have to add the price of the motherboard and cooler, but you can still compensate on cheaper memory and get even better performance using quad channel)

@jakegarrett8109

5 жыл бұрын

TR-1950x is cheaper than 9900k, and insanely faster in workstation tasks ($450 to $499 US new prices). It also has quad channel memory and the 64 PCIe lanes are good for quad GPU (yes I run quad GPU crossfire, some cheap 4x Fury over double my Titan Xp in my games, so yeah, PCIe lanes was indeed a selling point for me, otherwise my Ryzen 1700 was plenty impressive, and now that chip is $130 new!)

@fire_silicon7803

5 жыл бұрын

@@jakegarrett8109 That's true of course, but in my country for example, cheapest TR4 socket motherboard costs around 270€ and even on the ebay you cannot get one under 300€. On the other hand lga2011v3 can be bought for around 150€ from chinese manufacturers Edit: and also since TR is using infinity fabric you have to spent a fortune for good memory as well ... but it's newer and has more advanced instructions so zeah, really depends on your usecase

@jakegarrett8109

5 жыл бұрын

@@fire_silicon7803 Nope, you don't need to spend any more than regular crap from the bar ell... If you didn't notice, 32 GB of 3200 RAM is $140. The difference between that and 2133 is a whopping $10! Actually, I'm not even sure its that much difference depending on the sale... And you may not want higher for reasons below (ignoring the obvious worse timings, I'm talking about getting it to even boot...): Most CPUs will not run much faster anyways: 9900k scales just about the same with high speed memory as Ryzen, but it goes a lot faster with up to 4200 Mhz to 4500 Mhz memory if you get lucky on the memory controller on the CPU (and blast the snot out of Mem voltage). The 8700k can only break 4200 Mhz on maybe 10% of the chips (and they may be the crappy 4.8 Ghz chips, you're chances of getting both a good overclocking CPU and mem controller are unlikely). 7700k is even worse odds! I mention this, because I literally cannot get anything over 3200 on my 2200G to run (its 2 sticks taken from my TR-1950x which runs them just fine at XMP 3600 or overclocking to 3777 Mhz with reasonable timings), but the 2200G physically CANNOT boot past that, and it has to run absolute garbage timings (19-20-20) with rather high SOC voltage. Even at that, its unstable! I'm literally at a black screen right now just trying to get it to boot again (core temp is -50c at boot, yes NEGATIVE 50c, making it an extra big pain in the butt to actually make work!). My 1700 wouldn't even run XMP 2800-17-17-17... I mean, that's such lose timings, that should be 3600 speed... Ryzen is not the best on memory overclocking (literally the only thing keeping my score from being #1 in Firestrike/TimeSpy/Skydiver etc. I have the highest GPU and CPU core in the 2200g by a good margin, but this *$(&#$@ memory controller on it is a nightmare! Don't worry, I'll bench this thing to the ground if I have to, I'll get that number 1 spot today or tomorow! 0c_Monk3y)

Sorry, I will keep my AMD Opteron 6386 SE (a.k.a. "16-Core FX Beast").

i use 2 intel xeon x5675 it works like a gem with a 1060

Just bought the same board for $84 with the $15 discount. Got an E5-2680 V2 spare which will go nicely with it.

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

Oh nice, good to know that the price has been corrected :)You got a spare 2680V2??? NICE

@Prouties

5 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab Yeah it was freebie because it has issues. Apparently it only runs at 7 cores with EIST disabled which will do me fine.

These are great for virtualization. The more cores the better. Get yourself a dual Xeon 10 core mobo and you have 20 cores of fun. Thanks

And maybe show how work in this setup emulator RPCS3 with God of war3 please!

How would this go as a streaming server? Eg, For plex and nas storage.

@AndrewTJackson

5 жыл бұрын

Total overkill.

If you buy a 3930k or it's Xeon counterpart and do a slightly overclock, you have the same performance like a Ryzen 5, with the benefits of Quadchannel DDR3 with the opinion of ECC, lots of PCIe Lanes. Mine is working at 4.5Ghz on all Cores with no Problem and I'm missing no features of the new platforms.

I am interested in if this socket can be watercooled,would be a good winter build,to try watercooling for the first time and use for recording music on m.2

Budget high core count gaming CPU? You bet it's a Xeon!

@joenodden

5 жыл бұрын

"gaming" is not something I'd associate with it

@jakegarrett8109

5 жыл бұрын

Threadripper? Because its one of the few that can actually game 4k (where you're completely GPU bound, so I run 4x GPU, and that's where the 64 PCIe lanes is nice! 9900k only has 16x PCIe, so that's like good enough for 1 GPU and would perform about like my FX with its Titan Xp, which is exceptionally GPU bound!). So high core count gaming, that just calls Threadripper to me! It works good since TR is top 5% binned Ryzen, it runs faster than the 1800x chips they binned it from, and easy to cool, so even if you just turn off half the cores or got the 1900x 8 core, then either way it beat the fastest desktop Ryzen since its just binned from it. The new 2nd gen TR is just binned 2700x packed together, 3rd gen might be interesting...

I want more vids like this

10 Cores at a lower GHZ than standard new processors. Not sure why anyone would think adding 2 cores would be better at a much lower speed for gaming. The processor was made specifically for work stations.

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

We will be checking out higher clocked CPUs very soon!

I have 2 identical gaming machines built around the P9X79-E WS. Using 2690 v2 in both (3.0 base clock) and lots of ram. I also use the same MB in my server with a 2660 v2 and ECC ram. Great solid setups.

@puRpInF3cTioN

5 жыл бұрын

Your set up makes more sense with those higher clock speeds. Even though it's a ten core, 1.7GHz is slow as hell!

Yuck, even with a $15 discount the motherboard featured is now about $190AUD. Definitely not worth it~ The alternative is a lot better price-wise but the board description is super dodgy. "ATI Cross Fire" lol

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

I've also bought that alternative board, but hasn't arrived yet. This board is nice because of uATX, but like I said in the video, it's always a bit sketchy with AliExpress LOL

@H31MU7

5 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab Oh you did, nice. Maybe you could do a video on that board with a higher clocked 8 core in the future :)

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

Yea that's on the cards for sure!

@Alexeic87

5 жыл бұрын

check this link > www.aliexpress.com/item/HUANANZHI-X79-motherboard-X79-LGA2011-ATX-SATA3-USB3-0-Dual-PCI-E-16X-NVME-M-2/33011260194.html?spm=2114.10010108.100009.2.119415a1Rv3oXT&gps-id=pcDetailLeftTopSell&scm=1007.13482.95643.0&scm_id=1007.13482.95643.0&scm-url=1007.13482.95643.0&pvid=5fc7672e-781e-460a-9e8e-ba7f5f82207c

@baronvonlimbourgh1716

5 жыл бұрын

There are usually 100 vendors selling the exact same product. Just keep clicking trough the recomended listings and prices usually go down the more you click lol. And shipping goes to free as well. I found that the to be the way to shop on aliexpress.

Good for an Adobe Premier Workstation ?

Cool. Is this an actual X79 chipset? Most of these have Q77/B77 like chipsets. Would that make a lot of difference? Also your link to the board is already at 140usd...

@thomasschraubt7497

5 жыл бұрын

I use two PlexHD, one with H77 the other with Q75. It does not make much of a difference besides the number of sata2/3 ports. The chipset sometimes limits you to one or two sata3 ports.

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

They can come with various chipsets. The RAM controller is inside the CPU, so that's the main thing.

Hello. I buy this config for my home server. And I have no problem with hibernate /suspend. Really good thx for your work. I love this budget platform

i love cheap i love this video

it shows 70 us dollars tho and 140 for this mobo aint worth it

Seems the CPU lets this build down? I like the look of the M/B, will have to watch the video again as I missed some of the specs but I do like the layout and the colour.

Nice vid. Thanks for curating and finding those gems.. So one added criteria for me is power consumption. I'm hoping to find that rare gem of : 8+cores (ideally with SMT) supports 64GB+ RAM (DDR3 preferred ofc) to fit on a motherboard with m.2 (maybe) but 4+SATA would be good (hoping for 6+) and haha out of band management (if possible) and a few 1Gbe (2x+) network ports (jonesing for 10Gbe though) All that with a idle power usage (minus drives) of 30W Purpose: Home server - some vms(pfsense, play around OSs, home run softs) no rendering or really heavy loads or games. I'd go for a 'cheap ryzen' but they don't support high enough memory and still have high power usage The atom parts are interesting but a bit lacking The Epyc 3000 embedded parts are my cup of tea but expensive + use DDR4 Any chance or no chance?