I appreciate that you did this video. I've had a Ram since 2007, never really became a expert with it. I believe a more detailed vid is needed. The beginning wasn't really showing what the dial was doing as he was spinning the arrow. Which way was +/-? Details like that. What the weight does? Just more explanation for all the steps. I also thinks that the man who invented the tool should of been the person who explained how to use it. TY for finding the people who can explain things.

One heck of an informative video. I love the idea of having the straightest arrow you can build. This is a must have piece of home shop equipment.

@BucksBeesS.C.

Жыл бұрын

Alot has to do with your insert and square cut on arrow

I normally shoot every bare shaft through paper until I get a perfect bullet hole. Make a mark where the sweet spot is then I fletch each arrow accordingly. I usually don't get flyers or cull arrows.

My understanding is on a compound, the arrow flexes vertically out of the bow. Therefore it makes sense to spine align in that axis. In this Vid they put the stiff and weak sides of the arrow (spine alignment) perpendicular to the flex out of the bow, so i wonder if my understanding of the flex out of the bow is incorrect

@kevinhonea3798

Жыл бұрын

I noticed that too and made me question it also… may dan can elaborate.

I found out about the R.A.M Spine tester about 15 years ago, I went to there facility down in Moscow, Idaho and purchased it. I have been using it ever since with every arrow I build. This is a great tool, you can make a .003 arrow into a .001 arrow with a little patience. good video

Why not check the ends first then cut then check the spine, wouldn’t the spin change

I don’t know how many people I’ve seen with flight problems over the years. I think some, most, shops just whack em off, stick screw-in insert in it and send them down the road. Might work but I’m betting those people aren’t getting the best flight. Building great arrows for a particular bow or setup can take a little extra time. And can improve accuracy etc. people, learn to build arrows.

Really appreciate this video. I built a less fancy version of this and now have a better understanding of how to use it more effectively. I also see some adjustments i need to make. Thanks elkshape love what your doing

It finds the weak spot, the stiff spot.... this hits the g spot. I want one

This is exactly what I was looking for ! Perfect work !

The worlds for sure a simulation. I got this product in the mail yesterday and said “how is there not a video online on how to use this thing.”

I also have the Ram Arrow Tester and did not fully know how to use it. You put out some great videos! Keep up the good work. Thanks!

I’ve had this spine tester for 10 years and works awesome

That was a really really good video. Thanks for the work 👍🏾

You can and you should do this without any tool. Just plug both ends of the shaft with round peace of electric tape and put in a container filled with water. Shaft would rotate by gravity and the spine would be at the bottom.

The snow is finally melted I am setting up an archery range for the local First Nation youth you are inspiring to be motivated to move forward thank you

Pretty awesome tool cheers for the tutorial Big D ❤ appreciate you sharing and what you do 👍👊

Love this I've had the ram tester for a while always use it to fine stiff spot but I had no clue how much it really did

Sold. Bought one. Great video. Awesome guys from North Idaho!

👏First video when people finally using flat measurment tip on their dial gauge. As a measurment specialist I road under each video that I saw, that just this is the correct way. The peaky or rounded tip on curved surfaces gives you always wrong results…good Job 👍

Did they say what position the spine should be in once it’s found? (12 o clock, 3 o clock.. etc)

Finally! I've had my ram tester for 2 years and finally a break down how to use the dam thing lol

Can you test a set of TKOs and see if Victory's mark is correct?

@xfighter1117

Жыл бұрын

I’ve asked that on here before they said it was. But every single one of mine I nock tuned and they were all different none of them would fly straight with a broad head using the spine align on the shaft. I’d recommend nock tuning no matter what with broadheads.

Great info! ABT!

Wow, extreme accuracy!

I always thought from what ive seen anyway, shouldn’t the stiffest spine be facing up or down when on the string, so that the throat of the nock lines up with the stiff spot? The way he indexed the knocks it looked like the stiffest spine of the shaft would be running horizontal to the throat nock and have the stiff spot facing left at say 9oclock when the arrow is knocked on the bow….i gotta be missing something here. Also couldnt see close up that well when you did the initial batching as far as the dial and gauge goes

@snonyet

Жыл бұрын

Same here, I’ve always had the mark on the shaft on top of the arrow. That said it would be way easier to just just line the mark up with the nock line like they did in the video.

@davidweber2402

Жыл бұрын

You can have it facing any way as long as it's the exact same across all of your arrows. Every aspect of archery is about consistency.

@Orr_s

Жыл бұрын

@@snonyet and im mostly asking because then when id go to fletch id take into account spine align, and which way id have to index my Bitz to have the spine and nock indexed correctly according to fletching. Just made my next arrow build a lot more interesting and more OCD than i already make it 😂

@andrewmcgaha9629

Жыл бұрын

Came here to make the same observation.

@gregorjames3156

Жыл бұрын

Agree, My understanding is on a compound the arrow flexes vertically out of the bow. Therefore it makes sense to spine align in that axis

The fact that Victory Arrows uses these machines tells me that the spine align on the arrow label should be accurate. I cut my arrows to 29 inches so if I cut 1.5 inches off each end should give me a straight arrow ?

I always check both ends for runout and make my end cut(s) to cut off as much runout as possible whether that is from 1 or both ends equally or offset to get as straight as possible. That said, I do it opitically with my arrow spinner and a set of parallels. Really want a Ram tester to measure everything though. I was considering making one, but with all the extra features, pretty easy call to just buy it complete.

Goldtip also puts the shaft weight code on the package of all the .003 & .001 arrows (they did if before Victory did)

Just picked one up from podium archer! BIG QUESTION: It appears to me that they oriented the stiffest part to be 90deg left or right? I thought in a more recent video with Nick from AAE, that he insisting nock tuning for spine stiffness usually results in the stiff and weak to be vertically oriented? Did your arrows end up having the stiffest up/down or left/right?? (I believe you used same arrows in all vids unless it was multiple batches)

This takes tuning to a whole new level. Adding another hour or so to a build….worth it

Does the nock level only allow you to align the spine on the side of the arrow? I have been putting the spine on the bottom of my arrows (according to victory’s mark). Is the spine supposed to be aligned on left or right side?

Gold tip has weight codes as well.

Wouldn't you want to check runout and trim before you spline check the arrows?

@ericjacob5683

7 ай бұрын

Yes you would. Shortening arrows changes the spine.

Wouldn't you want to check the straightness first and cut the arrow to length before marking everything else because wouldn't that also impact and potentially change the weak/strong side of the arrow and where you index your nock? I'm not asking to be snarky - that just makes more sense to me but if I'm wrong, correct my ignorance.

I dig the intro

Like others have said, I dig the fact that you can take a 0.006 arrow and turn it into a 0.003 or a 0.003 into a 0.001 with a little TLC.

What happens if you do this after you finish building all the arrows? Does the strong and weak side change?

Awesome i do have a question when he was indexing the nocks didn't look like it was on the stiff part on the arrow if it was on the string or did see that wrong

@brianmckenzie2981

Жыл бұрын

Was wondering about also. Seems string would be 90 degrees from stiff side making spine mark at 3 or 9 o clock. Wouldnt that make arrow flex away from riser or into riser if stiff mark wasnt at 6 or 12 o clock?

Millwright work with dial indicater

@BucksBeesS.C.

Жыл бұрын

That is getting precise for longer than 20 yard shots

So, I must've missed it, but did they line the stiff side up parallel or perpendicular to the string?

@decaman9119

Жыл бұрын

I had the same thought/question

Am I the only person who bareshafted all my rip tko 300s to find out the spine alignment mark didn’t work at all?

Dynamic spine isn’t always same as static. Bareshaft each one then fletch accordingly

@caninphx

Жыл бұрын

Or you can just buy firenocks tool for dynamic bend, or design a jig to compress the arrow with inserts /field tips installed from the ends. Rotate the arrow so the bend is upwardd mark it, fletch it there and voila never need to bareshaft again. If your handy you can do this on your lca bow press by marking two spots on the arms thta are the same position in each arm. Then use a ctr ounch/drill to make a indentation.Take a completely built arrow minus fletching install a field point I. The insert and put one loose on the back end. Put each field point in the indentation and close the press enough to bend the arrow a bit. The arrow will always bend the same way. Rotate the bend upward mark the shaft and voila you just made a jig that does nock tuning. This ram tool is however designed to check the stiffness/straightness of an arrow to an ASTM standard. I just buy march grade arrows and use one of my two methods above and voila. I don’t need a ram tester.

Just another reason to buy Victory

Sweet vid Dan, I guess I missed this when originally posted. So I have a great question about arrow straightness specifically, I’ve been shooting Victory VAP elites for 4 years, I’m a 4mm guy, I like that Victory “spine aligned” their arrows. I also like the GPI, I like you, have a short DL 27.5”, anyhow I started to realize that A regardless of where the actual spine was marked wasn’t always where the arrow from arrow to arrow wanted to be! So I question the validity of their spine marks and B I started to receive more and more that didn’t seem to spin true per dozen. I finally got frustrated mostly because I’m OCD, emailed Victory explaining and asking in a nice manner, essentially can I sent you 18 arrows that are way out of spec .001 straightness, this is out of approximately 5 dozen that I culled out, Victory wouldn’t even email me back after 2 attempts! So, screw them and bought a dozen black Eagle X-impacts, I got them, I was excited, pulled them out, straight to the Pine Ridge arrow spinner…. 5 arrows had excessive wobble! I was fuming! I called Black Eagle and Cory told me that they measure straightness from the inside diameter and spin testing them only shows the imperfection of the outside diameter and wasn’t a true detection of straightness considering there is no roller when the arrow is in flight, he went on to say spin test them on a known straight broadhead or filed point by spinning then like a top, which generally I do anyway after the arrow build is 100% complete. Have you even heard a comment from ANY of the companies like that? IE straightness measure in the inside diameter? Why the hell do we all spin test them???

@southdakotasaved126

8 ай бұрын

Did you ever find the answer to your question concerning the Black Eagles? What brand of arrows are you shooting now? I’m thinking about buying this tester as I am also OCD, but at the same time I don’t want to waste the time and money if I’m just going to end up chasing my own tail and accomplishing nothing!

@crabwalk1891

8 ай бұрын

Nope, I asked Dan and Josh Jones, no answer. I will say that I built 3 X-impacts, 1 of which has slight wobble, used Easton 4mm 55 grain titanium inserts, 125 grain field point, AAE max vanes (3 vane configuration) left helical, because my arrows clock left and they group really well out to 80 with field points and Exodus broadheads. Just for testing, perhaps they will be my arrow next year but this year I was already committed to VAP Elites, same Easton titanium insert, 125 Exodus heads, blazer vanes (3 fletch). Already tagged a cow and a bear, complete pass throughs. Total arrow weight 445. You can build a spine tester for 1/4 of the price of that thing or if you have time, nock tune the bareshafts through paper to find the spine, or at least where your bow setup prefers that shaft, mark and fletch. I used to do that but now I just shoot groups, if I have a consistent flyer arrow, clock the nock over to the next vane, rinse and repeat.

I built something similar 10 years ago. I think you didn't show it's full potential. I keep track of all arrows i measure in an Excel spreadsheet. So i know which arrow tuned best for a bow (spine, weight, etc). I can compare different brand shaft just from measuring them and predict to half an inch what bareshaft would be best. Saves a lot of time and money! I can send not matching arrows back, no need for testing in real life. Because not every e.g. 500 spine arrow shaft is like another. One brands 500 spine is stiffer than others. Benefit: you can keep track of arrow quality. The first Gold Tip arrows manufactured in Mexico where horrible! You can also number your arrows and measure how they age over time. Important for me as an tournament shooter. Endless possibilities! Best regards from a viewer from Germany.

What type arrow are you doing. I shoot blood line 480 spine and 400 with factory insert from 2012.

@BucksBeesS.C.

Жыл бұрын

No Problem just a lighter arrow

@BucksBeesS.C.

Жыл бұрын

27 draw at 55 lb. On bear legion. I practice ever day helps

I could not fined a good video on this ether

Neat, however, until you shoot them I don't believe this will guarantee anything. I'd like to see the keepers shot straight up and then compare them to all the "junkers" (being tuned as well as possible) and see the difference in group size.

Dan have you ever checked out or tried Ranch Fairy test kit??

Good to know! D >>----->

Also own one and have no idea how to use it 😂

I thought the cheat code would be to buy custom arrows from black ovis lol🤣

Or.... just get victory arrows

Does this mean that victory arrows don't need to go through this process since it seems that they do it for you by having purchased these machines from these guys? I nock tuned and found that they "spine alignment" mark was where I was shooting bullet holes. I'd hate to spend the money only to find out it's always been done lol

So send me the arrows that are not to your standards 🙋‍♂️🎯

OK. You can buy a $350 tool to tell you where your spine is on each arrow... or, buy a $10 flashlight and do the same thing using your eyes. Most carbon arrow manufacturers roll the carbon into a tube. This overlap creates the stiff spot in each arrow. The RAM tester identifies the spine so you can index it. However... you can also shine an LED flashlight INTO the carbon, and look into three shaft (obviously not directly INTO the light) and roll the carbon. You will see a spot where the carbon overlaps, which creates a very definitive line. This is the spine. Index your arrows accordingly to nock them in the same position on the arrow rest, they will group better together. You're still going to have a few that refuse to behave and group with the majority. You can try to nock tune them and get some improvements, or just make them practice shafts. Hope this helps someone.

Same thing every time you're doing it wrong. Blah blah blah

Good information. But I have to ask, why do you feel it necessary to add the annoying background music? So many people do this these days, and it sucks! Please stop!