Razer Controller is fine, Upward stick drift in a shooter isn’t a problem, you should be pulling down on your stick anyway to control recoil

@thephototechy

4 ай бұрын

Hey so drift in any direction is fine if the centre point is correct, right now I need a 7% deadzone which affects the bottom for no reason. If I was able to adjust the centre point to distribute that 8% equally, I can get away with ony 3-4% deadzones. This is a feature available in alot of cheaper controllers and can potentially save a lot of older controllers, that even have more than 10% drift. As the sticks lose resolution over time that 8% I have right now will become over 13-14% at that point I'll need a new controller, when in reality I could still play with a deadzone I'm playing with right now. Issue here is not for new devices but making them last longer with a very simple and effective solution that is not being implemented. But things are moving in the right direction as PDP have a way to do this but it's tricky so does the stealth ultra but again very tricky to do.

Finally, someone talking about this. Razer and Victrix employ "forced deadzones" and they are horrible. When the deadzone is 'forced' by the controller manufacturer then it CANNOT be disabled by in-game options, or even by 3rd-party software.

@thephototechy

4 ай бұрын

Hey so I always thought it wasn't a big deal as we can change the in game deadzones to 0, but like I said we definitely need the option to decide how much deadzones we need. Also there is no info on how much deadzones these manufacturers are using, its a guessing game for us. The issue is I've spoken to people who thinks that the sticks should have an absolute perfect centre every time, like I mentioned that can only be achieved with deadzones.

@aweigh1010

4 ай бұрын

@@thephototechy Photo Techy, if the deadzone is "forced" on the controller via firmware then it CANNOT be adjusted by any in-game options. This has happened before with Razer controllers like the first V2 which had a forced 25% deadzone which cannot be adjusted. Also, another detail is that if a controller has a 20% forced deadzone then the game deadzone gets added ON TOP, for an even larger deadzone.

@EVCartman

2 ай бұрын

Have you ever figured out anything else on disabled the forced deadzones? I just got through BFG Pro wireless Xbox controller today and I noticed there was a forced zone there, might send an email to them about it here in a bit lol

amazing in depth test

It's so that less experience players can compete against better player. It's part of their hit registration patent. It's a multiplier. Your accuracy increase or decrease depending on how well or badly you play. Everything is engineered. I have the same drift problem since mw2. On days it's perfect. But this only happens in Ranked in my experience. Not multi-player

@SimbaUchihaa

20 сағат бұрын

So why are there people denying it so hard? Even going as far as insulting someone for experiencing eomm?

This is a big reason i switched from pro 3rd party controllers to just basic main original controllers. The oem xbox controller is amazing with no forced deadzones and especially with the new recalibration feature. Wish they stopped forcing deadzones on good feelings 3rd party controllers

@thephototechy

4 ай бұрын

I'm actuallythinking of getting a scuf to try it out, hopefully we can see a shift in this. So far thrustmaster and Gamesir have true 0 minimum deadzones.

I think this is the next frontier in joysticks, whether they use potentiometers or hall effect sensors. If the capability to easily set our own center points becomes a standard, then game devs will follow suit with the features they program into their games (as they did by allowing us to set our deadzones because of the rise of controller drift). Obviously there'll be a point where the spring becomes so worn/degraded that replacing the entire module outright will be better, but I think this is a strong interim solution. Sadly I also think the hardware companies will oppose this because of planned obsolescence, hits to their bottom line, yadda yadda. And yeah, there's nothing wrong with taking this stuff seriously. It's because of people like you who showcase these issues, and people like Jun Zeng who get bright ideas and do something about it, that keep pushing the envelope forward, so keep on keeping on!

@thephototechy

4 ай бұрын

I do hope we see a shift on this. Nacon recently added fps pro mode on the revolution 5 pro but still no manual calibration option. Also the amount of deadzones used are a mystery that we can only guess. I'm hoping we see a change coz personally I only want to use controllers with no forced minimum deadzones from now on.

Can confirm that this happens to me to on XSX, even with cross play enabled. Super frustrating, as i feel like my aim has become much more accurate (shown in-game stats, not just placebo) since i started using the g7se, and it is immediately noticeable when the deadzones are forced

@thephototechy

4 ай бұрын

Bro thank you so much for confirming this, I was starting to think that it’s somehow only happening to me, as I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere. Honestly it’s really annoying when it happens as the aim really feels off.

I overclock my gamesir g7 se to 100hz and use a second controller for audio. I've had this multiple times with crossplay on, and thought it was my overclock breaking on my controller or the game applying my second controllers deadzone and response rate. Now i see it was just COD this whole time (of course). I play 0% deadzone 90% of the time and 1% deadzone the rest of the time. If I get a good calibration I am under 1% drift sometimes it is slightly over. Great insight on how deadzone will help drift but will actually hurt your aim because the drift is normally on some diagonal that is hard to compensate for with the deadzone. Hence why i play 0-1% I have been trying to figure out what I prefer most settings in game and controller wise : raw mode / deadzone / sensitivity / 500hz overclock vs 1000hz etc. Currently I use 0% deadzone , raw mode off, 100hz overclock, 10 horizontal sensitivity 11 vertical , dynamic response curve (MW3) . Just hit Crimson in ranked multiplayer yesterday Great video as always man!

@coltonpetiprin9599

4 ай бұрын

Forgot to mention I use high rise control freeks on my right stick

My biggest issue with a forced DZ is that it stacks with the in game DZ that can’t be changed in many cases.

@thephototechy

4 ай бұрын

Yup and it's not a nice experience at all.

Gamesir should increase the tension

Great vid, agreed on everything. Also outer deadzones are pretty important given most of these companies dont even properly calculate the molds/rings to allow for proper range of motion of the stick. Seen some controllers hitting 100% far before the joystick actually hits the edge causing less steps and a more sensitive feeling stick.

I play with Razer Wolverine chroma in Apex - no deadzones. I think i had 3 of those controllers - all fine. It has another "thing" - usb connection falls of eventually which is a real bummer.

speaking of deadzones. the bigbig won rainbow 2 se (non alps potentiometer sticks) has an anti-deadzone feature. basically in it's software, you can set the deadzone BELOW 0, afaik it helps to counter act games with built in deadzones.

@thephototechy

3 ай бұрын

Ah man that sounds like an amazing feature, and I honestly believe should be a must for pro controllers. Having the ability to have a custom register at the value of 0 would counter any forced in game deadzone. Thanks for sharing this!

@june3149

3 ай бұрын

@@thephototechy you should definitely consider them for reviews. the pro doesn't have it but the pro does have control over it's stick resolution (32 - 256 afaik). sadly they still use old alps style potentiometer sticks though. the only proper hall stick they have afaik is the Gale HALL which is almost like the g7se w/ it's 1000hz polling rate (pc only though) with 4 back buttons.

@thephototechy

3 ай бұрын

@@june3149 I know bro once I have a pc I think my main controllers going to change drastically.

Snakebyte GAMEPAD PRO X is by far the best Xbox controller for zero deadzone and I stand by that!!!

Again GameSir G7 SE is the KING! best controller EVER!

@haidar.4541

4 ай бұрын

Returned my G7 SE and got the flydigi Vader 3 pro and it's so much better

My biggest takeaway from this video is seeing your G7SE has drift. Super disappointing as i like the feel of other controllers much more and ive been toughing it out because Hall Effect sticks. I do get the deadzones can be set to 0 but if the sticks dont feel great and they also get drift im feeling like i might as well go with a controller that feels better to use.

Great video. Any recommendations for the dualsense edge on PC brand new and it has stick drift in mw3 unless I up the dead zone to 8

@thephototechy

4 ай бұрын

Hey that sounds like a lot, I got mine used with atleast 70 hours on it and have no drift with setting it to 3. Can you check on gamepad tester what numbers it's showing? if it is over 6%-7% then it can impact aiming, specially if you are used to playing with lower deadzones. Also try and see which stick has lower register at rest and use that for aiming.

@edysoncolllado1190

4 ай бұрын

@@thephototechy I'm checking in game now, I set Left stick min dead zone to 2 and it's at 0% the left stick move by it self sometimes for no reason

I use a power a fusion 2 I have realized since season 2 I have to keep adjusting aim settings also I think this could be happening to me too,

@thephototechy

4 ай бұрын

Hey try checking your deadzones as well specially if you can notice a drift at really low numbers. I’m not sure if the fuison 2 has built in deadzones, as my fusion 3 has very minimal ones. Honestly this really spoils the aim feel and I know personally I’ve missed this a few times in the beginning thinking it’s probably a connection issue.

i hope you buy flydigi apex 4.. it has good spring and hall effect

@thephototechy

4 ай бұрын

Once on a gaming pc 100% checking out all those amazing controllers.

do you know if it only happens on pc/xbox or on ps5 as well? does the same problem occur with ps5 crossplay off? could you do show how it messes with the deadzone only with crossplay off? sorry for so many questions but thanks a lot, i'm on ps5 and i've been experiencing weird inconsistencies on a game to game basis (with crossplay off)

@thephototechy

4 ай бұрын

Hey man so I only play around 30% of my time on PS5, so far I haven’t seen this on ps5 at all. But what you mentioned about aim feeling off, that’s how I found out what this bug was. There is no pop up on ps5 to turn crossplay on after every match like it’s on Xbox, and I do believe that’s when it happens. The best way to tell is to keep your deadzones at a value where you have some drift, I always keep it like that anyway and whenever I felt something off I realised there was no drift and that’s how I knew about it. I’ll definitely keep an eye out on ps5 as well.

While you are possibly correct in stating it as a bug, has it not occurred to people that it might be the game auto calibrating a dead zone to remove what it sees as drift. people complain so much about drift maybe the game devs have done it deliberately. The fact it sees drift again when the game is restarted also backs up the thought of it being an automated calibration in the game adding dead zone to overcome what the game sees as drift. I do completely agree that all controller manufacturers should give software and a method of reducing the deadzone if the user wants to.

@thephototechy

4 ай бұрын

Hey that’s an interesting point, but this never happened to me on PS5, and I’ve experienced this on controllers with built in deadzones, that’s the first couple of times when I completely missed it thinking my connection has issues. It was only discovered by me whilst playing with controllers with true 0 deadzones, so I honestly believe it to be a bug as it shouldn’t have happened on controllers with forced deadzone and no drift.

@EoPArceye

4 ай бұрын

@@thephototechy hmm, this is making me start thinking a little, I have a controller with adjustable deadzone and offsets, I can dial it down to zero ( knowing it will drift a little ) then play the game and see if the games dials it out. If it does dial it out. I can deliberately put in an offset to see the exact amount of deadzone being added.

Is there a list of controllers with built in (forced) dead zones?

@thephototechy

4 ай бұрын

Hey I haven't come accross a list, but it's something I always mention in reviews. A list would be great to check against, I was looking into making a web page with some info for my channel and this could be something I could use.

happens on pc to have a dual sense controller that has noticeable drift [X] 2% [Y] -9% when the bug starts shows 0 for x y and end up with not much drift. found a way that gets rid of the deadzone bug but doesn’t work all the time you have to test stick deadzone move the analog stick a few times and repeat till the bug is gone I always run 0 deadzone min 95 right max always thought it was my controller with the deadzone problem some days the game feels fine then others it feels off because of this

@thephototechy

4 ай бұрын

Hey man thank you so much for confirming this. No one is mentioning this at all and now I have you and another confirmed this has happened to them, so good to know it’s not just me.

I tried 0 deadzone on the elite and it's much better, it's still not as good as an eswap btw

Two more question came to my mind. Could you please name all ps5 controllers that allow you to turn off deadzones? Can I adjust deadzones on normal Dualsense just like on Dualsense Edge even if it requires using a PC?

@thephototechy

3 ай бұрын

Hey bro so standard dualsense don’t have minimum deadzones, and outer deadzone is actually the physical thumbstick gate, so true raw output.

@Lukasz3332x

3 ай бұрын

@@thephototechy have you tried modded dualsense with hall sticks?

Nice video these types of issues need to be reported. I was under the impression that deadzones don’t add. If a controller has built in 3% and the game has 10% I assumed by the time the stick deflects to 10% it would pass the 3% built in. Do they only add when the controller has a higher deadzone than in game? After thinking about it makes sense that they can add I just don’t know if it’s in both cases or only if the controllers is higher.

@thephototechy

4 ай бұрын

Hey so when the controller has 3% that means it’ll only send a register to the machine after the stick goes out of 3% circle, at this point game thinks there is a 1% register, so if the game force a deadzone that applies after the controller’s deadzone and doubles up. Honestly if the game allows 0 deadzones then it’s a non issue, but now that I’ve experienced more than a few times, for me I need 0 on the controller side for sure.

Which controller has the least built in deadzone ?

@thephototechy

3 ай бұрын

Hey controllers with no built in deadzones like the standard Xbox and other third party will have an option to disable them. G7/G7se, EswapS/X,8bit ultimate Xbox & Nacon revolution 5pro(for PS5) allow us to disable the minimum deadzone. The cheaper ones like the PowerA enhanced and turtlebeach recon didn’t have any minimum deadzones, I’m sure there’ll be others but these are the ones I’ve tried myself.

Can you manually calibrate a downward drift on the g7se?

@thephototechy

3 ай бұрын

Hey I made a video on how to adjust the centre point with manual calibration. It’s something you could do to potentially keep the drift in your chosen direction, and if it’s not distributed equally then make it equal so lower deadzones needed. This link to the video is below, hope this helps. kzread.info/dash/bejne/p4aYxbdqY7a8mrw.htmlsi=j65go5RdJAgEh_r1

@ogcodhead8829

3 ай бұрын

Thanks, u are appreciated.👍🏽

It's a recenter issue..

is it even technically possible to have zero deadzones without drift?

@thephototechy

4 ай бұрын

The current sticks with the recentre springs very unlikely, I havent seen any which can do that and its absolutely fine. As long as we have the option of how much deadzone we need, as many of us can have different preference on the deadzone amount.

@Numerical123

4 ай бұрын

Probably not with springs. Unless the sensitivity is so low that deflection isn’t detected. At that point you trade precision for a false 0. I just accept the drift.

@StickyGeko

4 ай бұрын

My g7se I have zero drift, dz are on zero

@Lukasz3332x

4 ай бұрын

@@Numerical123 do you play with 0% in-game deadzones?

Minecraft still doesnt have deadzone slider. And its build in deadzone settings is atrocious. Feels like A LOT. Maybe even 20-30%.

Wow wtf with cod 😂. Ok, ich weiss das die Meldung "Crossplay OFF" dann kommt auf der Xbox wenn du zum Beispiel auf der Playstation mit dem gleichen Account gespielt hast und den slider Crossplay OFF betätigt hast. Dann wenn fu wieder auf die xbox kommt und Multiplayer spielen willst kommt die Meldung. Gehst du dann auf Bodenkrieg dann kommt die meldung das man fen Crossplay anmachen muss und dann drückst du ja und es geht dann wieder. Ich habe dein video verstanden. Controller haben deadzone und jedes Game ingame hat auch deadzone. Manchmal macht man CoD an und denkt was ist mit meinem aim passiert und vielleicht hat man fann diesen bug den du rausgefunden hast. 🙆🏼‍♂️

Is this deadzone bug a xbox or console thing ? Or is it pc too ? I play with a litte bit drift on both sticks and 0.1 on left and 0.1 or 0.2 on right Stick

@thephototechy

4 ай бұрын

Hey bro I’m only on consoles and currently only experienced it on my seriesx a good few times. I haven’t played a lot on ps5 and haven’t come across it there so I do think it’s probably only on Xbox, but if it’s happening to me and others feel aim off at times, it’s a possibility that this could be the cause.