Just so everyone who is watching this is aware, Bear Creek Arsenal is one of the least reliable weapon systems on the market. if these guys really tested all of these guns and said they were reliable, they are just extremely lucky. If you are on a budget, that's fine, but there are better options. These rifles from bear Creek are complete junk.
@greghurdle4021Күн бұрын
Buy a set Lok palm swell grips and an S2 extended safety and you have a much better carry gun than the Kimber.
@greghurdle4021Күн бұрын
Also you can very easily decock the S2C.
@michaeltaylor79962 күн бұрын
FORM fellas while shooting
@marissaschurr94622 күн бұрын
Mete is a great duty gun
@BanditApache-nd6lu2 күн бұрын
The truth is, it works just fine. I am up to 2200 rounds and I have not had one issue of any kind.
@billvanantwerp36582 күн бұрын
I have a KDS9C Rail for $1399
@johnnyhernandez27703 күн бұрын
Great review
@JayDee-kw8oz4 күн бұрын
it's hard to say if a name brand you can expect issues from would be recommended for beginners. making sure all screws are tight, proper lubrication, switching out charge handle, firing pin, extractor. I heard the firing pins are notorious for breaking on these. one thing is certain these are affordable. which is a HUGE deal
@PBPistoleer5 күн бұрын
OK Gents, a quick & simple question for you. I'm on the verge of replacing / upgrading my Car Pistol (not carry). After much research, down to two options. This KDS9c Rail? Or Sig P229 Legion SAO?
@ChamberOneTactical3 күн бұрын
We can’t speak to the P229 as we have not shot that gun yet. I will say that the sig has a great reputation. We will try to get our hands on one so that we can do a review on it.
@DMS17915 күн бұрын
I bought one 11.5” BCA upper that was on sale. The barrel nut wasn’t even hand tight. Luckily I checked before I shot. Scary to think of people not checking that before they shoot.
@TT-rz7lx5 күн бұрын
I use both 20 inch 223 wylde and a 20 inch 243 uppers built by BCA for coyote. They very accurate and no functional errors so far. Very satisfied.
@keithc97685 күн бұрын
P-07 w/threaded barrel was my first CZ and really like it. Picked it up on a whim. Then I picked up the S2C, then 75D PCR and P-01 in Urban Gray w/threaded barrel. I like them all and shoot them reasonably well. Thinking about making 75D PCR my new carry gun. Have kept them all stock. For me personally I can't see messing with factory specs and reliability. Also, if I have to use one defensively then upgrades to triggers, etc could be a bad thing in court.
@it_is_finished7 күн бұрын
Great job guys! Just came across your channel. I subscribed.
@ChamberOneTactical6 күн бұрын
Thank you for the support!
@chefhosanna7 күн бұрын
Live in AZ. Just got mine for $551🫡
@doggmansnapperdude340510 күн бұрын
P-01 is king!!
@musek504810 күн бұрын
what do you guys think about unlined parkerized barrels in general? are they really as bad as some say online and require too much maintenance?
@yellowlt611 күн бұрын
Kimber KDS9C no rail for ~1k for the win.
@DMV_WayneKerr12 күн бұрын
Full Size is the way
@phantomstrike331013 күн бұрын
I think BCA uppers are pretty good. Most of the issues that I have heard from people usually involve the the bolt or BCG in general. If you have some good quality BCGs around, Id say go for it. Throw a Sons of Liberty, Spikes, Aero, any decent BCG in there and I think its a win. The BCG is the heart of the gun. I got a .300 blackout upper, threw in a Sons BCG, and it works great. The barrel isnt going to last as long as a DD or Bravo Company, but hey, you can always swap the barrel
@clint007814 күн бұрын
Another Great video guys, very informative. Enjoy watching your reviews...
@ChamberOneTactical13 күн бұрын
Much appreciated!
@realtalk619515 күн бұрын
The audio sounds muffled.
@Quality_Guru15 күн бұрын
I own both a Shadow 2 and a P10C, both without the optic ready slides. I purchased them prior to the optic ready models being available. I would not purchase any of these two pistols. If CZ wanted to they could come out with an optics ready model, but they chose not to cater to their loyal fans. When looking for a polymer DA/SA pistol I went with the Grand Power MK23 K-100 optics ready pistol. It’s an exceptionally accurate and reliable pistol that is well built. The rotating barrel also helps mitigate the felt recoil. The only thing that I don’t like is the plastic shoe on the trigger. There are other companies than CZ that are actually listening to their customer base so why should I reward CZ for their engineering laziness.
@Quality_Guru16 күн бұрын
When considering that they are at the same price after the upgrades to the P01, the price of the Shadow 2 Compact seems like a good price.
@rodanone489516 күн бұрын
thanks for being real human beings in a human made video!
@DDay33617 күн бұрын
I LOVE my CZ SC2!
@Pop-xq2jl18 күн бұрын
Cz shadow 2 compact for me with the kimber you had to change the grips out and that was your big selling point for it and the original grips you didn’t like so it’s up graded stock out the box Cz wins cheaper faster and looks better and so many options for mag capacity
@SteveVall18 күн бұрын
My P-01 Omega has a 2ish to 2.5 pound pull with the CGW Ultra Lite Kit as well as well with the CGW reduced power trigger return spring for 7$. May want to look into that to drop it to 2.5 👍
@stephenschroeder656718 күн бұрын
Thanks gentlemen. I'll stick with my Cajunized PCR. I also have a 75B with CGW package. I was going to do the same for my 97D, but it so smooth already it is not really needed.
@Sandhill198818 күн бұрын
When you guys shoot you look like gun turrets. Domo arigato Mr roboto 😊.
@krush120220 күн бұрын
Dude…. Please be a bit more aware of your muzzle placement.. yes I know you’re confident that the weapon is empty… but flagging your partner… tsk tsk tsk.
@anthonyjimenez972520 күн бұрын
Think ultimately it comes down to "do you have a p01? If yes, upgrade it with modifications. If no, buy the shadow compact". Least thats my 2 cents. I edc a p01, and i dont really see a need or want for the s2c
@raptor008v220 күн бұрын
Awesome review. You guys work well together. It's nice to see a good comparison on the nuances of the guns beyond just the paper specs.
@Tech-ot4iy21 күн бұрын
I have 1k rounds in mine, zero issues.
@jasiahmartinez662021 күн бұрын
love the content guys about to buy my first pistol for my 21st birthday I've binged a lot of your videos and the information is top notch keep it up
@ChamberOneTactical21 күн бұрын
We really appreciate the support! Let us know what you end up getting!
@miroslavm255321 күн бұрын
It is not true that CZ Shadow 2 Compact doesn’t have de-cocking capabilities, it doesn’t have de-cocking lever. It was removed simply because it’s not needed. It is quite alarming how many (almost every single one!) reviewer on KZread keep criticize this fine pistol, a real masterpiece, which most of the owners agree that it is the best gun ever made. I don’t expect everyone to think as an engineer like I do, but you have to ask yourself why a reputable company with 1,800 employees made that decision to take that lever out. I made a short video to explain how to safely carry this gun: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lKujl6ePhMqeeLA.htmlsi=zJNQGBP04l848x_C I have to tell you that P01 is NOT safe to dry shoot, dislike Shadow 2 which is. Study internal components, try to understand the design intention before make any conclusions. To try to modify an obsolete gun instead to buy the new improved model is just stupid attempt. Sorry for being straight forward, but I don’t know how else I could say it.
@ryewaldman221423 күн бұрын
You're upper and lower are not well matched. Your brass ejection is pretty far forward, which means your bolt velocity is too high. This might be called over-gassed. Equivalently, this could be considered under-buffered and/or over-sprung. I don't know what the buffer is in your lower, but if it's a carbine 3.5 oz buffer, you might try an H or H2 buffer, which will slow the bolt velocity and allow the brass time to get out of the ejection port before closing on it and stovepiping. I know you guys were just trying to test the upper, but since the recoil system is in the lower, the upper and lower are not completely independent. Maybe you guys already know this, but i thought folks watching this with little AR experience might benefit.
@davidsawyer600323 күн бұрын
I'm 76 and my eyes do not like 3 dot white sights, I prefer blacked out rear and fiber front. Fiber front and rear are OK but need to be a contrast like green rear and red front. I love shooting with a dot, but my EDC does not have an optic, personal preference. I would like the S2 to have a decocker, bit I would choose the CZ over the Kimber. For me, that's a no brainer. A few months back I bought a CZ 75 and choose it over the sp01.
@mateoh.373523 күн бұрын
Just bought mine out in Commiefornia for $840. Must be nice living in a free country.
@aaronfarnsworth765323 күн бұрын
Credit should be given to HS Produkt who are the makers of the Echelon. Springfield's relationship with HS has also given them the Hellion (VHS), Hellcat (H11) and XD (HS2000).
@edildoalay250723 күн бұрын
La shadow 2 es la mejor del planeta
@Justin-os2zc24 күн бұрын
Did you guys think there was a big difference in ergonomics between the 43 and micro ? The 43 gives me major slide bite
@ChamberOneTactical23 күн бұрын
The micro dagger has a little bit more material covering your hand and we never got any slide bite from the micro dagger.
@roydrage806924 күн бұрын
. I would say that You can throw extended safeties, and a CGW increased Pressure Dentent spring, on the CZ and the secure safety problem is ended. I carry it Cocked & Locked No Problems, and I'm used to carrying 1911's for years.... The CZ is just so much lighter, and shoots so much better than anything in its class... I cal it a competition carry gun. The Bottom line is if you shoot better with the CZ, then that's what you should carry... It could mean the difference between coming home or not.... Just Sayin'
@infitada24 күн бұрын
BCA is badass!
@musek504825 күн бұрын
so is BCA the absolute cheapest option you can go for? is there nothing else in the that price range give or take 50 bucks? PSA is usually at least 150 bucks more for something comparable. I dont know of any other brands in the $200-300 range do you?
@ChamberOneTactical24 күн бұрын
There might be someone out there that might be cheaper but not as big as BCA. BCA is normally the cheapest.
@stevenmike187825 күн бұрын
ive only seen issues with the side charging handles, ive never heard really any issues with rear charging handles.
@musek504825 күн бұрын
thats usually my rule of thumb with bca, i bought my first upper from them back in 2015 so i figure that by now they have the normal style ar15 setup down. from what i've read online its usually the more oddball calibers that have weird issues, mainly the 7.62x39 and bigger rounds
@niemdada85925 күн бұрын
Damn this is a hard choice. When I added a bigger safety to th CZ it cured the deficient safety it comes with. That KDC is freeking AMAZING, I shoot them the same. Just too darn hard to choose!!
@ResplendentRaider26 күн бұрын
Right now I have to go with the P01. I haven’t cracked the 1000 rd mark yet but had zero malfunctions. Have around the same rd count with my P07 but have had feeding issues (just a few). I believe it to be the ammo, but it had to be sure. I like the fact that the P01 is NATO certified. That was a huge selling point to me, that thing is a tank.
@raymuccianti943826 күн бұрын
Nice! I've been looking for a good comparison video on these since I do have the CZ, but found that the Kimber was spec'd so similarly. It looks great!
@llend0726 күн бұрын
You can buy an extend safety for the Shadow 2 Compact if it was a great concern
@llend0726 күн бұрын
The manual tells use how to safely carry the Shadow 2 Compact. I drop my hammer to half cocked with the opposite hand and carry with the the safety off. Getting use to the safety is about training.
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Just so everyone who is watching this is aware, Bear Creek Arsenal is one of the least reliable weapon systems on the market. if these guys really tested all of these guns and said they were reliable, they are just extremely lucky. If you are on a budget, that's fine, but there are better options. These rifles from bear Creek are complete junk.
Buy a set Lok palm swell grips and an S2 extended safety and you have a much better carry gun than the Kimber.
Also you can very easily decock the S2C.
FORM fellas while shooting
Mete is a great duty gun
The truth is, it works just fine. I am up to 2200 rounds and I have not had one issue of any kind.
I have a KDS9C Rail for $1399
Great review
it's hard to say if a name brand you can expect issues from would be recommended for beginners. making sure all screws are tight, proper lubrication, switching out charge handle, firing pin, extractor. I heard the firing pins are notorious for breaking on these. one thing is certain these are affordable. which is a HUGE deal
OK Gents, a quick & simple question for you. I'm on the verge of replacing / upgrading my Car Pistol (not carry). After much research, down to two options. This KDS9c Rail? Or Sig P229 Legion SAO?
We can’t speak to the P229 as we have not shot that gun yet. I will say that the sig has a great reputation. We will try to get our hands on one so that we can do a review on it.
I bought one 11.5” BCA upper that was on sale. The barrel nut wasn’t even hand tight. Luckily I checked before I shot. Scary to think of people not checking that before they shoot.
I use both 20 inch 223 wylde and a 20 inch 243 uppers built by BCA for coyote. They very accurate and no functional errors so far. Very satisfied.
P-07 w/threaded barrel was my first CZ and really like it. Picked it up on a whim. Then I picked up the S2C, then 75D PCR and P-01 in Urban Gray w/threaded barrel. I like them all and shoot them reasonably well. Thinking about making 75D PCR my new carry gun. Have kept them all stock. For me personally I can't see messing with factory specs and reliability. Also, if I have to use one defensively then upgrades to triggers, etc could be a bad thing in court.
Great job guys! Just came across your channel. I subscribed.
Thank you for the support!
Live in AZ. Just got mine for $551🫡
P-01 is king!!
what do you guys think about unlined parkerized barrels in general? are they really as bad as some say online and require too much maintenance?
Kimber KDS9C no rail for ~1k for the win.
Full Size is the way
I think BCA uppers are pretty good. Most of the issues that I have heard from people usually involve the the bolt or BCG in general. If you have some good quality BCGs around, Id say go for it. Throw a Sons of Liberty, Spikes, Aero, any decent BCG in there and I think its a win. The BCG is the heart of the gun. I got a .300 blackout upper, threw in a Sons BCG, and it works great. The barrel isnt going to last as long as a DD or Bravo Company, but hey, you can always swap the barrel
Another Great video guys, very informative. Enjoy watching your reviews...
Much appreciated!
The audio sounds muffled.
I own both a Shadow 2 and a P10C, both without the optic ready slides. I purchased them prior to the optic ready models being available. I would not purchase any of these two pistols. If CZ wanted to they could come out with an optics ready model, but they chose not to cater to their loyal fans. When looking for a polymer DA/SA pistol I went with the Grand Power MK23 K-100 optics ready pistol. It’s an exceptionally accurate and reliable pistol that is well built. The rotating barrel also helps mitigate the felt recoil. The only thing that I don’t like is the plastic shoe on the trigger. There are other companies than CZ that are actually listening to their customer base so why should I reward CZ for their engineering laziness.
When considering that they are at the same price after the upgrades to the P01, the price of the Shadow 2 Compact seems like a good price.
thanks for being real human beings in a human made video!
I LOVE my CZ SC2!
Cz shadow 2 compact for me with the kimber you had to change the grips out and that was your big selling point for it and the original grips you didn’t like so it’s up graded stock out the box Cz wins cheaper faster and looks better and so many options for mag capacity
My P-01 Omega has a 2ish to 2.5 pound pull with the CGW Ultra Lite Kit as well as well with the CGW reduced power trigger return spring for 7$. May want to look into that to drop it to 2.5 👍
Thanks gentlemen. I'll stick with my Cajunized PCR. I also have a 75B with CGW package. I was going to do the same for my 97D, but it so smooth already it is not really needed.
When you guys shoot you look like gun turrets. Domo arigato Mr roboto 😊.
Dude…. Please be a bit more aware of your muzzle placement.. yes I know you’re confident that the weapon is empty… but flagging your partner… tsk tsk tsk.
Think ultimately it comes down to "do you have a p01? If yes, upgrade it with modifications. If no, buy the shadow compact". Least thats my 2 cents. I edc a p01, and i dont really see a need or want for the s2c
Awesome review. You guys work well together. It's nice to see a good comparison on the nuances of the guns beyond just the paper specs.
I have 1k rounds in mine, zero issues.
love the content guys about to buy my first pistol for my 21st birthday I've binged a lot of your videos and the information is top notch keep it up
We really appreciate the support! Let us know what you end up getting!
It is not true that CZ Shadow 2 Compact doesn’t have de-cocking capabilities, it doesn’t have de-cocking lever. It was removed simply because it’s not needed. It is quite alarming how many (almost every single one!) reviewer on KZread keep criticize this fine pistol, a real masterpiece, which most of the owners agree that it is the best gun ever made. I don’t expect everyone to think as an engineer like I do, but you have to ask yourself why a reputable company with 1,800 employees made that decision to take that lever out. I made a short video to explain how to safely carry this gun: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lKujl6ePhMqeeLA.htmlsi=zJNQGBP04l848x_C I have to tell you that P01 is NOT safe to dry shoot, dislike Shadow 2 which is. Study internal components, try to understand the design intention before make any conclusions. To try to modify an obsolete gun instead to buy the new improved model is just stupid attempt. Sorry for being straight forward, but I don’t know how else I could say it.
You're upper and lower are not well matched. Your brass ejection is pretty far forward, which means your bolt velocity is too high. This might be called over-gassed. Equivalently, this could be considered under-buffered and/or over-sprung. I don't know what the buffer is in your lower, but if it's a carbine 3.5 oz buffer, you might try an H or H2 buffer, which will slow the bolt velocity and allow the brass time to get out of the ejection port before closing on it and stovepiping. I know you guys were just trying to test the upper, but since the recoil system is in the lower, the upper and lower are not completely independent. Maybe you guys already know this, but i thought folks watching this with little AR experience might benefit.
I'm 76 and my eyes do not like 3 dot white sights, I prefer blacked out rear and fiber front. Fiber front and rear are OK but need to be a contrast like green rear and red front. I love shooting with a dot, but my EDC does not have an optic, personal preference. I would like the S2 to have a decocker, bit I would choose the CZ over the Kimber. For me, that's a no brainer. A few months back I bought a CZ 75 and choose it over the sp01.
Just bought mine out in Commiefornia for $840. Must be nice living in a free country.
Credit should be given to HS Produkt who are the makers of the Echelon. Springfield's relationship with HS has also given them the Hellion (VHS), Hellcat (H11) and XD (HS2000).
La shadow 2 es la mejor del planeta
Did you guys think there was a big difference in ergonomics between the 43 and micro ? The 43 gives me major slide bite
The micro dagger has a little bit more material covering your hand and we never got any slide bite from the micro dagger.
. I would say that You can throw extended safeties, and a CGW increased Pressure Dentent spring, on the CZ and the secure safety problem is ended. I carry it Cocked & Locked No Problems, and I'm used to carrying 1911's for years.... The CZ is just so much lighter, and shoots so much better than anything in its class... I cal it a competition carry gun. The Bottom line is if you shoot better with the CZ, then that's what you should carry... It could mean the difference between coming home or not.... Just Sayin'
BCA is badass!
so is BCA the absolute cheapest option you can go for? is there nothing else in the that price range give or take 50 bucks? PSA is usually at least 150 bucks more for something comparable. I dont know of any other brands in the $200-300 range do you?
There might be someone out there that might be cheaper but not as big as BCA. BCA is normally the cheapest.
ive only seen issues with the side charging handles, ive never heard really any issues with rear charging handles.
thats usually my rule of thumb with bca, i bought my first upper from them back in 2015 so i figure that by now they have the normal style ar15 setup down. from what i've read online its usually the more oddball calibers that have weird issues, mainly the 7.62x39 and bigger rounds
Damn this is a hard choice. When I added a bigger safety to th CZ it cured the deficient safety it comes with. That KDC is freeking AMAZING, I shoot them the same. Just too darn hard to choose!!
Right now I have to go with the P01. I haven’t cracked the 1000 rd mark yet but had zero malfunctions. Have around the same rd count with my P07 but have had feeding issues (just a few). I believe it to be the ammo, but it had to be sure. I like the fact that the P01 is NATO certified. That was a huge selling point to me, that thing is a tank.
Nice! I've been looking for a good comparison video on these since I do have the CZ, but found that the Kimber was spec'd so similarly. It looks great!
You can buy an extend safety for the Shadow 2 Compact if it was a great concern
The manual tells use how to safely carry the Shadow 2 Compact. I drop my hammer to half cocked with the opposite hand and carry with the the safety off. Getting use to the safety is about training.