Does this actually talk about actual Fascism or is it just the typical Leftist style indicating that almost everything they don’t like is Fascism? Inquiring minds kind of want to know, but aren’t willing to use time listening to find out without someone addressing that question.
@_MECHA_11 күн бұрын
Underated
@BricePoruznick-fr1xf2 ай бұрын
I oof-$
@vaggelissotiropoulos46282 ай бұрын
Thank you for the content! Would be very interested to hear you interview Philip Mirowski in the future.
@Whoknows197694 ай бұрын
Druze here. My mother passed when I was four. Remembered being my mum. She found me and her family when she could. She now keeps in contact. It’s physics. Energy does not die. Great podcast
@IosefDzhugashvili4 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this. I'm curious, Mr. Forms, do you have an opinion on Deng?
@thegoldenthread7 ай бұрын
*smacks lips* INHALE
@multiverse-UFO7 ай бұрын
As every Druze automatically reincarnate as another Druze, through decoding Akashic records or conducting QHHT (quantum healing hypnosis technique) for the members, it actually enables revisioning what really happened throughout history. I'm sure lots of political figures & clerics would not want this to happen, but universe and Truth cannot be defeated. Thank the Grace for preserving the spiritual practice of the Druze, in allowing the miracle to take off 🛸
@chriset37478 ай бұрын
Will there be a west coast viewing of the film?
@BrotherJohannes Жыл бұрын
Given the sharp tone and pointed questions, the interviewer would do well to articulate his own position, as it otherwise comes off as an inquisition rather than a proper debate. Perhaps a mediating interlocutor is in order for any future engagement with JDW. Nevertheless, this conversation was incredibly illuminating.
@formspodcast Жыл бұрын
It was an interview, not a debate. I sent Jordan all the questions I had in advance and gave him the final say on what was included or cut from the final edit. My goal was to promote Jordan and his book. He approved the podcast and he was happy with the result, calling it a "great interview". I consider him to be my friend, and love him very much. In my view, to actually contradict Jordan or dispute his book requires a level of expertise both in the original languages and in the particular historical figures that precious few living have. That doesn't mean everyone has to buy his argument, as David Bentley Hart has shown: afkimel.wordpress.com/2022/08/24/david-bentley-hart-responds-to-the-neo-neo-chalcedonians/ . I try to apply the Brian Lamb / Q&A style of interviewing: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lqeV0cR7crLLZ84.html . I don't know how you could have a more sympathetic treatment than what I gave unless your standard is nerf, not softball.
@BrotherJohannes Жыл бұрын
@@formspodcast in terms of preparation and serious engagement with the subject matter, I find these efforts commendable. Moreover, challenging or pushing back on a line of reasoning can certainly help discover its soundness or lack thereof and can make for an excellent interview, which in many respects this was. There were some moments of outright contention which left me wondering what the underlying or larger bone of contention was that provoked the particular challenges. So I'm simply suggesting that setting forth the fundamental concern or areas of disagreement up front would have been helpful here.
@formspodcast Жыл бұрын
@@BrotherJohannes For more context, in the episode of Forms previous to this David Bentley Hart criticized Jordan and his Neo-Neo-Chacledonian friends' theological project. I had already an advance review copy of Jordan's book, and decided the best thing to do would be to have Jordan on to give his own presentation. Part of the contention is what exactly is the contention. That makes doing what you ask difficult: ultimately, we don't all agree on what we disagree on. The NNC circle have disagreed with me on this point, but I don't think we really share enough foundationally speaking to permit a productive debate. That's why I intentionally attempted to avoid debate: I would rather not hurt people for what will ultimately be a fruitless abstract disagreement.
@BrotherJohannes Жыл бұрын
@@formspodcast - ah, so it seems part of the frustration stemmed from a lack of clarity on where JDW stands on many of these doctrinal issues. I'll posit that the neuralgic point which has set him at odds with DBH is the use of a 3- name moniker, whereupon the mnemonic is effectively stealing the air from DBH's own notoriety.
@tribunateSPQR Жыл бұрын
Excellent discussion on a critical issue, thanks for shedding light on this perversion of the gospel
@lwconley2005 Жыл бұрын
Good podcast. Racism is Iconoclasm. We don’t need it in Christianity. It’s worthless and evil.
@danieljones1939 Жыл бұрын
This trialogue was excellent. Thank you.
@liamhuber3636 Жыл бұрын
I don’t understand y’alls critique of Moscow. At one moment your accusing christian nationalist of wanting to flee the city and start families on a farm. The next, your accusing the Church of Moscow of basically buying up the town. Whether they flee society or remain in society It seems like they are damned no matter what they do. I love your podcast, but as a person who lives in Moscow, and has heard Doug Wilson preaching for a couple of years, I’m not sure anyone will be persuaded by these arguments.
@formspodcast Жыл бұрын
Moscow, Idaho is a town of what? 25k people? There's a reason "Ehud Would" et al. talk about the "Northwest Imperative": they promote a white ethnostate far removed from most Americans.
@ablueab Жыл бұрын
Love this podcast. Keep up the great work!
@lauragiles5193 Жыл бұрын
Married incels. Yep.
@jonn_esternon Жыл бұрын
15:31 "the vocation of the artist actually is one of revealing something, in the nature of creation, which longs to be revealed"
@lauragiles5193 Жыл бұрын
Loved this! Thanks Henry.
@k.arlanebel6732 Жыл бұрын
The interviewer is blind to his own circular movement/stasis.
@formspodcast Жыл бұрын
no u
@tribunateSPQR Жыл бұрын
Great episode, this book has been on my list for so long, need to finally get around to reading it
@lwconley2005 Жыл бұрын
This was good.
@CalamariSauce Жыл бұрын
Christ is the necessary condition for creation and creation is the continuing affirmation and experience of the cross
@MBFModernHomesteading Жыл бұрын
Loved this talk, was very disappointed when the music came on during what seemed to be a discussion I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for! Would love to hear right from where you left off at....
@Thestuffonmainstreet Жыл бұрын
Traditionalism is absolutely an expression of post modernism
@Thestuffonmainstreet Жыл бұрын
Jordan Peterson has zero idea about post modernity!
@Thestuffonmainstreet Жыл бұрын
Yes "Marxism is about as Modern as you can get"!
@Thestuffonmainstreet Жыл бұрын
Wahhabism is a modernist project of Islam
@Thestuffonmainstreet Жыл бұрын
I agree reason is not a universal in the modernist sense what so ever. Love your point on the St. Paul needing a musical vision in order to be opened up to the truth of the scriptures
@Thestuffonmainstreet Жыл бұрын
*mystical 😅
@Thestuffonmainstreet Жыл бұрын
Modernity is much worse a contest against faith! Totally agree Henry!
@Thestuffonmainstreet Жыл бұрын
Not sure if you have more thoughts on this question but clearly this is a serious and unanswered question of what is caesaropapism where it came from and what to do about it. I think of all the issues with Orthodox this is one of the biggest ones.
@chanting_germ. Жыл бұрын
Name of Switzerland conference ?
@formspodcast Жыл бұрын
Building the House of Wisdom: www.unifr.ch/sergij-bulgakov/de/forschung/konferenzen/bulgakov-conference-2021/
@christopherconey732 Жыл бұрын
Well, this young man is impressive. Not the usual shy, almost fawning type, who faces up to Professor DBH. The stand out trivial point was their mutual asking of the slightly condescending 'do you see/know what I am saying?' with the equally condescending assertion about the other 'Oh, you DO see/ know what I am saying'. So when it comes to boldness and directness, Prof DBH really has met his match here. In any case, a very helpful discussion: thank you both. On the limits and capacities of reason v faith etc that covered the middle section I was in mind of the differences between the poetic plato, on the one hand, and the prosaic aristotle, on the other. And within plato, i was reminded of his writing about the inferiority of writing :) and the limits of language in the VIIth letter, Phaedrus, and the soaring Symposium.
@poeticdiscourse Жыл бұрын
David, to me, seems to falter under insufficient concepts of "nothingness," - here Kabbalistic mysticism comes in handy, wherein "nothing" is postulated as being non-being on account of it having no constraint or limitation. Ein Soph is on account of limiting itself, and by proxy of said limiting, or constraining, instantiates Being proper. Apologies for terrible use of language, it is exceedingly difficult to pin this down in propositional language. What is needed is a kind of foundational "meta-language". Great podcast, I'm a big fan of David's work.
@kevinmcdonald6560 Жыл бұрын
i thought this notion of nothingness=limitlessness was implicit in their discussion of eriugena? do you have any specific kabbalistic passages where this is discussed, sounds very interesting?
@poeticdiscourse Жыл бұрын
@@kevinmcdonald6560 I don't have specific passages at hand, what I wrote was a kind of amalgam of Jewish mysticism as located in Manly P Halls', "The Secret teaching of all ages ages" - a great book, albeit long and heavy going, if you haven't read it - and Chris Langan's concept of "Unbound Telesis" from his metaphysical system, "The Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe." It's a pretty perennial idea, though. It pops up all over the place in different intellectual idiom, so to speak. Also maybe checkout Jacob Boehme's idea of "ungrund", too. Its been a while since I've listened to this, but I obviously missed their talk of "eriugena", as my comment assumed David didn't conceptualise nothingness as limitlessness. I'll have to give this a re-listen, thanks!
@kevinmcdonald6560 Жыл бұрын
@@poeticdiscourse thanks for the comprehensive reading list!
@jaxonbasra9056 Жыл бұрын
Your statement on your old perspective on the Father is something I find really interesting. I see a lot of Christians who like to split up the Trinity into different personalities: the conciliatory Son, the wrathful Father etc... I fail to see how this is not polytheism. In fact, it's more distressing than any paganism, because it ascribes the attributes of Zeus to The One God.
@lwconley2005 Жыл бұрын
This was a good one with DBH. Good job Henry
@joshthrelkeld Жыл бұрын
More of this please!
@colingallagher1648 Жыл бұрын
great topic
@colingallagher1648 Жыл бұрын
great interview
@balthysar68 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful conversation. Thanks for your good work!
@dubbelkastrull Жыл бұрын
44:38 Interesting Hadith 23:55 bookmark
@formspodcast Жыл бұрын
کنت کنزاً مخفیاً فأحببت أن أعرف فخلقت الخلق لکی أعرف
@dubbelkastrull Жыл бұрын
@@formspodcast Thanks. Idk Arabic tho
@haidersalam2406 Жыл бұрын
@@dubbelkastrull I was a hidden treasure so I loved to know, so I created the creation so that I know. Hope this helps
@haidersalam2406 Жыл бұрын
@@dubbelkastrull and btw the beauty of the arabic script gives an ambiguity where the text can also be read as "I was a hidden treasure so I loved to be known, so I created creation in order to be known"
@dubbelkastrull Жыл бұрын
@@haidersalam2406 You might want to go with your second translation if you want to avoid making Allah dependent on creation for knowledge.
@jasonegeland1446 Жыл бұрын
Would it be pretentious of me to confess to being vastly more intelligent than Hart? Becuase I realy am!
@jasonegeland1446 Жыл бұрын
Kidding, obviously. Great interview!
@binxbb9234 Жыл бұрын
You're not the only one who cries at the video of the pope and the boy Henry! Solidarity!
@jasonb4321 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this.
@Steven-qs9xd Жыл бұрын
Amazing interview, if you get the chance for another interview, ask him about Aikido 😎
@koffeeblack5717 Жыл бұрын
American philosopher mystic Franklin Merrell-Wolff distinguished three epistemic modalities: perception, conception, and introception. The third he defined as knowledge through identity, which takes on an analogical character when transcribed into a synthesis of concept and introcept. Basically, a doctrine of a third way of knowing is essential to the theistic point of view, for God is that act of knowing.
@ziryabjamal Жыл бұрын
Got a long drive tomorrow. Listening tonight and already had to rewind a couple times, definitely needs concentration.
@kevinreddington4251 Жыл бұрын
Lol @the intro song and thinking of Hart sitting there 😂😂
@formspodcast Жыл бұрын
one love
@Joeonline26 Жыл бұрын
Lol I thought the same thing. Crossed arms and Hart rolling his eyes are 2 things that come to mind
@michaelholm3301 Жыл бұрын
More, please! We need to get as much of David recorded as possible.
@bradleybutson6540 Жыл бұрын
What’s the name of DBH article on bulgakov or link to the video
@formspodcast Жыл бұрын
kzread.info/dash/bejne/ooFlk5KdnsLKXdI.html
@glenclary3231 Жыл бұрын
Has the full article been published?
@Josiah-Andrews Жыл бұрын
Didn’t realize you podcasted Henry! Great job, one of the better interlocutors with DBH I’ve heard.
@kevinreddington4251 Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@jaslanr2 жыл бұрын
DBH is bound to cease his restraint and once for all unleash the fury of truth to the Christian world
Пікірлер
Does this actually talk about actual Fascism or is it just the typical Leftist style indicating that almost everything they don’t like is Fascism? Inquiring minds kind of want to know, but aren’t willing to use time listening to find out without someone addressing that question.
Underated
I oof-$
Thank you for the content! Would be very interested to hear you interview Philip Mirowski in the future.
Druze here. My mother passed when I was four. Remembered being my mum. She found me and her family when she could. She now keeps in contact. It’s physics. Energy does not die. Great podcast
Really enjoyed this. I'm curious, Mr. Forms, do you have an opinion on Deng?
*smacks lips* INHALE
As every Druze automatically reincarnate as another Druze, through decoding Akashic records or conducting QHHT (quantum healing hypnosis technique) for the members, it actually enables revisioning what really happened throughout history. I'm sure lots of political figures & clerics would not want this to happen, but universe and Truth cannot be defeated. Thank the Grace for preserving the spiritual practice of the Druze, in allowing the miracle to take off 🛸
Will there be a west coast viewing of the film?
Given the sharp tone and pointed questions, the interviewer would do well to articulate his own position, as it otherwise comes off as an inquisition rather than a proper debate. Perhaps a mediating interlocutor is in order for any future engagement with JDW. Nevertheless, this conversation was incredibly illuminating.
It was an interview, not a debate. I sent Jordan all the questions I had in advance and gave him the final say on what was included or cut from the final edit. My goal was to promote Jordan and his book. He approved the podcast and he was happy with the result, calling it a "great interview". I consider him to be my friend, and love him very much. In my view, to actually contradict Jordan or dispute his book requires a level of expertise both in the original languages and in the particular historical figures that precious few living have. That doesn't mean everyone has to buy his argument, as David Bentley Hart has shown: afkimel.wordpress.com/2022/08/24/david-bentley-hart-responds-to-the-neo-neo-chalcedonians/ . I try to apply the Brian Lamb / Q&A style of interviewing: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lqeV0cR7crLLZ84.html . I don't know how you could have a more sympathetic treatment than what I gave unless your standard is nerf, not softball.
@@formspodcast in terms of preparation and serious engagement with the subject matter, I find these efforts commendable. Moreover, challenging or pushing back on a line of reasoning can certainly help discover its soundness or lack thereof and can make for an excellent interview, which in many respects this was. There were some moments of outright contention which left me wondering what the underlying or larger bone of contention was that provoked the particular challenges. So I'm simply suggesting that setting forth the fundamental concern or areas of disagreement up front would have been helpful here.
@@BrotherJohannes For more context, in the episode of Forms previous to this David Bentley Hart criticized Jordan and his Neo-Neo-Chacledonian friends' theological project. I had already an advance review copy of Jordan's book, and decided the best thing to do would be to have Jordan on to give his own presentation. Part of the contention is what exactly is the contention. That makes doing what you ask difficult: ultimately, we don't all agree on what we disagree on. The NNC circle have disagreed with me on this point, but I don't think we really share enough foundationally speaking to permit a productive debate. That's why I intentionally attempted to avoid debate: I would rather not hurt people for what will ultimately be a fruitless abstract disagreement.
@@formspodcast - ah, so it seems part of the frustration stemmed from a lack of clarity on where JDW stands on many of these doctrinal issues. I'll posit that the neuralgic point which has set him at odds with DBH is the use of a 3- name moniker, whereupon the mnemonic is effectively stealing the air from DBH's own notoriety.
Excellent discussion on a critical issue, thanks for shedding light on this perversion of the gospel
Good podcast. Racism is Iconoclasm. We don’t need it in Christianity. It’s worthless and evil.
This trialogue was excellent. Thank you.
I don’t understand y’alls critique of Moscow. At one moment your accusing christian nationalist of wanting to flee the city and start families on a farm. The next, your accusing the Church of Moscow of basically buying up the town. Whether they flee society or remain in society It seems like they are damned no matter what they do. I love your podcast, but as a person who lives in Moscow, and has heard Doug Wilson preaching for a couple of years, I’m not sure anyone will be persuaded by these arguments.
Moscow, Idaho is a town of what? 25k people? There's a reason "Ehud Would" et al. talk about the "Northwest Imperative": they promote a white ethnostate far removed from most Americans.
Love this podcast. Keep up the great work!
Married incels. Yep.
15:31 "the vocation of the artist actually is one of revealing something, in the nature of creation, which longs to be revealed"
Loved this! Thanks Henry.
The interviewer is blind to his own circular movement/stasis.
no u
Great episode, this book has been on my list for so long, need to finally get around to reading it
This was good.
Christ is the necessary condition for creation and creation is the continuing affirmation and experience of the cross
Loved this talk, was very disappointed when the music came on during what seemed to be a discussion I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for! Would love to hear right from where you left off at....
Traditionalism is absolutely an expression of post modernism
Jordan Peterson has zero idea about post modernity!
Yes "Marxism is about as Modern as you can get"!
Wahhabism is a modernist project of Islam
I agree reason is not a universal in the modernist sense what so ever. Love your point on the St. Paul needing a musical vision in order to be opened up to the truth of the scriptures
*mystical 😅
Modernity is much worse a contest against faith! Totally agree Henry!
Not sure if you have more thoughts on this question but clearly this is a serious and unanswered question of what is caesaropapism where it came from and what to do about it. I think of all the issues with Orthodox this is one of the biggest ones.
Name of Switzerland conference ?
Building the House of Wisdom: www.unifr.ch/sergij-bulgakov/de/forschung/konferenzen/bulgakov-conference-2021/
Well, this young man is impressive. Not the usual shy, almost fawning type, who faces up to Professor DBH. The stand out trivial point was their mutual asking of the slightly condescending 'do you see/know what I am saying?' with the equally condescending assertion about the other 'Oh, you DO see/ know what I am saying'. So when it comes to boldness and directness, Prof DBH really has met his match here. In any case, a very helpful discussion: thank you both. On the limits and capacities of reason v faith etc that covered the middle section I was in mind of the differences between the poetic plato, on the one hand, and the prosaic aristotle, on the other. And within plato, i was reminded of his writing about the inferiority of writing :) and the limits of language in the VIIth letter, Phaedrus, and the soaring Symposium.
David, to me, seems to falter under insufficient concepts of "nothingness," - here Kabbalistic mysticism comes in handy, wherein "nothing" is postulated as being non-being on account of it having no constraint or limitation. Ein Soph is on account of limiting itself, and by proxy of said limiting, or constraining, instantiates Being proper. Apologies for terrible use of language, it is exceedingly difficult to pin this down in propositional language. What is needed is a kind of foundational "meta-language". Great podcast, I'm a big fan of David's work.
i thought this notion of nothingness=limitlessness was implicit in their discussion of eriugena? do you have any specific kabbalistic passages where this is discussed, sounds very interesting?
@@kevinmcdonald6560 I don't have specific passages at hand, what I wrote was a kind of amalgam of Jewish mysticism as located in Manly P Halls', "The Secret teaching of all ages ages" - a great book, albeit long and heavy going, if you haven't read it - and Chris Langan's concept of "Unbound Telesis" from his metaphysical system, "The Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe." It's a pretty perennial idea, though. It pops up all over the place in different intellectual idiom, so to speak. Also maybe checkout Jacob Boehme's idea of "ungrund", too. Its been a while since I've listened to this, but I obviously missed their talk of "eriugena", as my comment assumed David didn't conceptualise nothingness as limitlessness. I'll have to give this a re-listen, thanks!
@@poeticdiscourse thanks for the comprehensive reading list!
Your statement on your old perspective on the Father is something I find really interesting. I see a lot of Christians who like to split up the Trinity into different personalities: the conciliatory Son, the wrathful Father etc... I fail to see how this is not polytheism. In fact, it's more distressing than any paganism, because it ascribes the attributes of Zeus to The One God.
This was a good one with DBH. Good job Henry
More of this please!
great topic
great interview
Wonderful conversation. Thanks for your good work!
44:38 Interesting Hadith 23:55 bookmark
کنت کنزاً مخفیاً فأحببت أن أعرف فخلقت الخلق لکی أعرف
@@formspodcast Thanks. Idk Arabic tho
@@dubbelkastrull I was a hidden treasure so I loved to know, so I created the creation so that I know. Hope this helps
@@dubbelkastrull and btw the beauty of the arabic script gives an ambiguity where the text can also be read as "I was a hidden treasure so I loved to be known, so I created creation in order to be known"
@@haidersalam2406 You might want to go with your second translation if you want to avoid making Allah dependent on creation for knowledge.
Would it be pretentious of me to confess to being vastly more intelligent than Hart? Becuase I realy am!
Kidding, obviously. Great interview!
You're not the only one who cries at the video of the pope and the boy Henry! Solidarity!
Thank you for this.
Amazing interview, if you get the chance for another interview, ask him about Aikido 😎
American philosopher mystic Franklin Merrell-Wolff distinguished three epistemic modalities: perception, conception, and introception. The third he defined as knowledge through identity, which takes on an analogical character when transcribed into a synthesis of concept and introcept. Basically, a doctrine of a third way of knowing is essential to the theistic point of view, for God is that act of knowing.
Got a long drive tomorrow. Listening tonight and already had to rewind a couple times, definitely needs concentration.
Lol @the intro song and thinking of Hart sitting there 😂😂
one love
Lol I thought the same thing. Crossed arms and Hart rolling his eyes are 2 things that come to mind
More, please! We need to get as much of David recorded as possible.
What’s the name of DBH article on bulgakov or link to the video
kzread.info/dash/bejne/ooFlk5KdnsLKXdI.html
Has the full article been published?
Didn’t realize you podcasted Henry! Great job, one of the better interlocutors with DBH I’ve heard.
Agreed
DBH is bound to cease his restraint and once for all unleash the fury of truth to the Christian world