Forms Podcast XVII: You Are Gods with David Bentley Hart
How does God relate to the world? www.formspodcast.com
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@michaelholm3301 Жыл бұрын
More, please! We need to get as much of David recorded as possible.
@binxbb9234 Жыл бұрын
You're not the only one who cries at the video of the pope and the boy Henry! Solidarity!
@kevinreddington4251 Жыл бұрын
Lol @the intro song and thinking of Hart sitting there 😂😂
@formspodcast
Жыл бұрын
one love
@Joeonline26
Жыл бұрын
Lol I thought the same thing. Crossed arms and Hart rolling his eyes are 2 things that come to mind
@Josiah-Andrews Жыл бұрын
Didn’t realize you podcasted Henry! Great job, one of the better interlocutors with DBH I’ve heard.
@kevinreddington4251
Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@ziryabjamal Жыл бұрын
Got a long drive tomorrow. Listening tonight and already had to rewind a couple times, definitely needs concentration.
@tribunateSPQR Жыл бұрын
Great episode, this book has been on my list for so long, need to finally get around to reading it
@MBFModernHomesteading Жыл бұрын
Loved this talk, was very disappointed when the music came on during what seemed to be a discussion I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for! Would love to hear right from where you left off at....
@christopherconey732 Жыл бұрын
Well, this young man is impressive. Not the usual shy, almost fawning type, who faces up to Professor DBH. The stand out trivial point was their mutual asking of the slightly condescending 'do you see/know what I am saying?' with the equally condescending assertion about the other 'Oh, you DO see/ know what I am saying'. So when it comes to boldness and directness, Prof DBH really has met his match here. In any case, a very helpful discussion: thank you both. On the limits and capacities of reason v faith etc that covered the middle section I was in mind of the differences between the poetic plato, on the one hand, and the prosaic aristotle, on the other. And within plato, i was reminded of his writing about the inferiority of writing :) and the limits of language in the VIIth letter, Phaedrus, and the soaring Symposium.
@balthysar68 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful conversation. Thanks for your good work!
@koffeeblack5717 Жыл бұрын
American philosopher mystic Franklin Merrell-Wolff distinguished three epistemic modalities: perception, conception, and introception. The third he defined as knowledge through identity, which takes on an analogical character when transcribed into a synthesis of concept and introcept. Basically, a doctrine of a third way of knowing is essential to the theistic point of view, for God is that act of knowing.
@jasonb4321 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this.
@joshthrelkeld Жыл бұрын
More of this please!
@jaxonbasra9056 Жыл бұрын
Your statement on your old perspective on the Father is something I find really interesting. I see a lot of Christians who like to split up the Trinity into different personalities: the conciliatory Son, the wrathful Father etc... I fail to see how this is not polytheism. In fact, it's more distressing than any paganism, because it ascribes the attributes of Zeus to The One God.
@colingallagher1648 Жыл бұрын
great interview
@Steven-qs9xd Жыл бұрын
Amazing interview, if you get the chance for another interview, ask him about Aikido 😎
@bradleybutson6540 Жыл бұрын
What’s the name of DBH article on bulgakov or link to the video
@formspodcast
Жыл бұрын
kzread.info/dash/bejne/ooFlk5KdnsLKXdI.html
@glenclary3231
Жыл бұрын
Has the full article been published?
@chanting_germ. Жыл бұрын
Name of Switzerland conference ?
@formspodcast
Жыл бұрын
Building the House of Wisdom: www.unifr.ch/sergij-bulgakov/de/forschung/konferenzen/bulgakov-conference-2021/
@dubbelkastrull Жыл бұрын
44:38 Interesting Hadith 23:55 bookmark
@formspodcast
Жыл бұрын
کنت کنزاً مخفیاً فأحببت أن أعرف فخلقت الخلق لکی أعرف
@dubbelkastrull
Жыл бұрын
@@formspodcast Thanks. Idk Arabic tho
@haidersalam2406
Жыл бұрын
@@dubbelkastrull I was a hidden treasure so I loved to know, so I created the creation so that I know. Hope this helps
@haidersalam2406
Жыл бұрын
@@dubbelkastrull and btw the beauty of the arabic script gives an ambiguity where the text can also be read as "I was a hidden treasure so I loved to be known, so I created creation in order to be known"
@dubbelkastrull
Жыл бұрын
@@haidersalam2406 You might want to go with your second translation if you want to avoid making Allah dependent on creation for knowledge.
@jasonegeland1446 Жыл бұрын
Would it be pretentious of me to confess to being vastly more intelligent than Hart? Becuase I realy am!
@jasonegeland1446
Жыл бұрын
Kidding, obviously. Great interview!
@poeticdiscourse Жыл бұрын
David, to me, seems to falter under insufficient concepts of "nothingness," - here Kabbalistic mysticism comes in handy, wherein "nothing" is postulated as being non-being on account of it having no constraint or limitation. Ein Soph is on account of limiting itself, and by proxy of said limiting, or constraining, instantiates Being proper. Apologies for terrible use of language, it is exceedingly difficult to pin this down in propositional language. What is needed is a kind of foundational "meta-language". Great podcast, I'm a big fan of David's work.
@kevinmcdonald6560
Жыл бұрын
i thought this notion of nothingness=limitlessness was implicit in their discussion of eriugena? do you have any specific kabbalistic passages where this is discussed, sounds very interesting?
@poeticdiscourse
Жыл бұрын
@@kevinmcdonald6560 I don't have specific passages at hand, what I wrote was a kind of amalgam of Jewish mysticism as located in Manly P Halls', "The Secret teaching of all ages ages" - a great book, albeit long and heavy going, if you haven't read it - and Chris Langan's concept of "Unbound Telesis" from his metaphysical system, "The Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe." It's a pretty perennial idea, though. It pops up all over the place in different intellectual idiom, so to speak. Also maybe checkout Jacob Boehme's idea of "ungrund", too. Its been a while since I've listened to this, but I obviously missed their talk of "eriugena", as my comment assumed David didn't conceptualise nothingness as limitlessness. I'll have to give this a re-listen, thanks!
@kevinmcdonald6560
Жыл бұрын
@@poeticdiscourse thanks for the comprehensive reading list!
Пікірлер: 38
More, please! We need to get as much of David recorded as possible.
You're not the only one who cries at the video of the pope and the boy Henry! Solidarity!
Lol @the intro song and thinking of Hart sitting there 😂😂
@formspodcast
Жыл бұрын
one love
@Joeonline26
Жыл бұрын
Lol I thought the same thing. Crossed arms and Hart rolling his eyes are 2 things that come to mind
Didn’t realize you podcasted Henry! Great job, one of the better interlocutors with DBH I’ve heard.
@kevinreddington4251
Жыл бұрын
Agreed
Got a long drive tomorrow. Listening tonight and already had to rewind a couple times, definitely needs concentration.
Great episode, this book has been on my list for so long, need to finally get around to reading it
Loved this talk, was very disappointed when the music came on during what seemed to be a discussion I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for! Would love to hear right from where you left off at....
Well, this young man is impressive. Not the usual shy, almost fawning type, who faces up to Professor DBH. The stand out trivial point was their mutual asking of the slightly condescending 'do you see/know what I am saying?' with the equally condescending assertion about the other 'Oh, you DO see/ know what I am saying'. So when it comes to boldness and directness, Prof DBH really has met his match here. In any case, a very helpful discussion: thank you both. On the limits and capacities of reason v faith etc that covered the middle section I was in mind of the differences between the poetic plato, on the one hand, and the prosaic aristotle, on the other. And within plato, i was reminded of his writing about the inferiority of writing :) and the limits of language in the VIIth letter, Phaedrus, and the soaring Symposium.
Wonderful conversation. Thanks for your good work!
American philosopher mystic Franklin Merrell-Wolff distinguished three epistemic modalities: perception, conception, and introception. The third he defined as knowledge through identity, which takes on an analogical character when transcribed into a synthesis of concept and introcept. Basically, a doctrine of a third way of knowing is essential to the theistic point of view, for God is that act of knowing.
Thank you for this.
More of this please!
Your statement on your old perspective on the Father is something I find really interesting. I see a lot of Christians who like to split up the Trinity into different personalities: the conciliatory Son, the wrathful Father etc... I fail to see how this is not polytheism. In fact, it's more distressing than any paganism, because it ascribes the attributes of Zeus to The One God.
great interview
Amazing interview, if you get the chance for another interview, ask him about Aikido 😎
What’s the name of DBH article on bulgakov or link to the video
@formspodcast
Жыл бұрын
kzread.info/dash/bejne/ooFlk5KdnsLKXdI.html
@glenclary3231
Жыл бұрын
Has the full article been published?
Name of Switzerland conference ?
@formspodcast
Жыл бұрын
Building the House of Wisdom: www.unifr.ch/sergij-bulgakov/de/forschung/konferenzen/bulgakov-conference-2021/
44:38 Interesting Hadith 23:55 bookmark
@formspodcast
Жыл бұрын
کنت کنزاً مخفیاً فأحببت أن أعرف فخلقت الخلق لکی أعرف
@dubbelkastrull
Жыл бұрын
@@formspodcast Thanks. Idk Arabic tho
@haidersalam2406
Жыл бұрын
@@dubbelkastrull I was a hidden treasure so I loved to know, so I created the creation so that I know. Hope this helps
@haidersalam2406
Жыл бұрын
@@dubbelkastrull and btw the beauty of the arabic script gives an ambiguity where the text can also be read as "I was a hidden treasure so I loved to be known, so I created creation in order to be known"
@dubbelkastrull
Жыл бұрын
@@haidersalam2406 You might want to go with your second translation if you want to avoid making Allah dependent on creation for knowledge.
Would it be pretentious of me to confess to being vastly more intelligent than Hart? Becuase I realy am!
@jasonegeland1446
Жыл бұрын
Kidding, obviously. Great interview!
David, to me, seems to falter under insufficient concepts of "nothingness," - here Kabbalistic mysticism comes in handy, wherein "nothing" is postulated as being non-being on account of it having no constraint or limitation. Ein Soph is on account of limiting itself, and by proxy of said limiting, or constraining, instantiates Being proper. Apologies for terrible use of language, it is exceedingly difficult to pin this down in propositional language. What is needed is a kind of foundational "meta-language". Great podcast, I'm a big fan of David's work.
@kevinmcdonald6560
Жыл бұрын
i thought this notion of nothingness=limitlessness was implicit in their discussion of eriugena? do you have any specific kabbalistic passages where this is discussed, sounds very interesting?
@poeticdiscourse
Жыл бұрын
@@kevinmcdonald6560 I don't have specific passages at hand, what I wrote was a kind of amalgam of Jewish mysticism as located in Manly P Halls', "The Secret teaching of all ages ages" - a great book, albeit long and heavy going, if you haven't read it - and Chris Langan's concept of "Unbound Telesis" from his metaphysical system, "The Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe." It's a pretty perennial idea, though. It pops up all over the place in different intellectual idiom, so to speak. Also maybe checkout Jacob Boehme's idea of "ungrund", too. Its been a while since I've listened to this, but I obviously missed their talk of "eriugena", as my comment assumed David didn't conceptualise nothingness as limitlessness. I'll have to give this a re-listen, thanks!
@kevinmcdonald6560
Жыл бұрын
@@poeticdiscourse thanks for the comprehensive reading list!