This film is one of the best; the point of the roller skate dance scene is that it's a joy to watch - the actors are spontaneously having a great time - it would be spellbinding to see that in real life - I could watch that much longer than 8 minutes. Why should it "advance the story" or have to make a point like in a whodunnit?
@beatnikmaryКүн бұрын
I was around 5 when this movie came out and to me, it will *always* be the movie with all the real -life horse murders. The big way it changed Hollywood was by making it standard to have the Humane Society on every film set to make sure no animals were hurt or killed.
@teddyfurstman19972 күн бұрын
This Movie Essay channel is so cool. Can’t believe Heaven’s Gate caused the downfall of the New Hollywood 70’s era filmmaking. I like Star Wars and LOTR trilogies.
@teddyfurstman19972 күн бұрын
Nice use of Pink Floyd. Instant Sub. Glad Criterion has restored Heaven’s Gate with the Directors Cut.
@athena46583 күн бұрын
Where are you?? Its been 2 years
@BrotherLaymanPaul4 күн бұрын
Dude your work is great. I wish you the best-and endurance!-in your efforts. God bless
@Fintanflaherty4 күн бұрын
Why do they just ride around in circles and let the cattle branch have pot shots at them.
@goodear44489 күн бұрын
Marvelous
@tonyd76019 күн бұрын
I found The Johnson County War on Bing will watch it later. Thanks for the info.
@mirzadzomba985219 күн бұрын
No, the movie is still bad. I watched it very recently (but before checking out your video), so it was the 'brightened' version that is supposed to showcase a misunderstood masterpiece. It does nothing of the sort. You are right that the movie is not an unqualified disaster, but it is only because it has some saving graces. There are flickers of great artistic talent from Cimino, and the commitment from a series of very good actors (Isabelle Huppert!) is admirable. But it is clear that the whole project was fundamentally misconceived. Cimino turned a complex piece of history into an annoyingly simplifying 'good guys - bad guys' story. And the fact that his 'white saviour' fails in the end in spectacular fashion does not change that. The obsession with period detail is quite ridiculous in light of the fact that Cimino falsifies history on an industrial scale. What are those masses of immigrants doing in a place that was actually a sparsely populated backwater? It is like mixing the migration experience of New York (cramped accommodation and all) with Western mythology and the ragged landscape of Wyoming/Montana. The sound is terrible (but that can be helpful at times because the dialogues are not exactly of stellar quality). Character motivations are murky throughout (so the actors deserve a lot of credit for making something of such puzzling roles). The love triangle between Ella, Averill, and Champion ('Can't a woman love two men?') is misguided. To me, the biggest letdown is the scene when Ella dies. It is supposed to be the emotional climax of the movie. And it is just silly. How can Averill walk away unscathed when he is in an exposed position in broad daylight facing at least four gunmen with rifles, and when his two companions end up dead riddled with bullets? Oh yes, he needed to survive so that Cimino could add his sombre epilogue about an unhappy life. (And never mind that, in real life, Averill and his wife Ella were lynched in 1889 - years before the infamous slaying of Champion in 1892.) The real kicker is when Averill holds the dying body of Ella ('Oh Ella, don't die!). I dare anyone to tell me that that bit has any emotional authenticity to it. Heaven's Gate is a move that Cimino never had the ability to deliver in decent quality. But I guess there is a sliver lining, Apparently, what he really wanted was adapting The Fountainhead. Hmm, the combination of his ego and Ayn Rand's sociopathic philosophical ideas... That could have been the real disaster.
@Hammy564122 күн бұрын
All you kids care about is ‘Star Wars’ & Kubrick.
@pompoms67222 күн бұрын
what a great video. you deserve more views and subs sir. you really do
@jackscratch78523 күн бұрын
Modern American Cinema is dead. Too many Lesbians.
@Robertbuccellatobooks27 күн бұрын
Wonderful video Where in Florida do you live? From South Florida and living in Tallahassee now
@tomgrant342Ай бұрын
This was a great movie
@The_Comedian556Ай бұрын
8:52 Can anyone explain to me what Charlie Chaplain does right here? After he signs the paper he presses it down with something.
@reddykilowatt29 күн бұрын
That is an ink blotter used to dry and absorb any excess ink coming from fountain pens which drew ink directly from an inkwell and were used before ballpoint pens were perfected.
@The_Comedian55629 күн бұрын
@@reddykilowatt thank you
@thecomedian6920Ай бұрын
Movie sucked ass. Utter ass.
@reddykilowatt29 күн бұрын
you sound like an expert on the topic. 😂
@jerseyforhawksАй бұрын
Not since Buster Keaton's magnificent 'The General' has such a grand and authentic cinematic masterpiece been filmed.
@jerseyforhawksАй бұрын
Great film. Top ten Kubrick like film not directed by Kubrick. Oh, and the roller rink scene is sublime.
@lukeb3245Ай бұрын
Where is the video explaining why Michael Cimino looks like hes on the Housewives of New Jersey you promised at the end of the Heavens Gate part 2 video??? Im dying to know.
@Chicago_Podcast_AuthorityАй бұрын
Looking forward to part 2 ❤
@skippy277Ай бұрын
Saw this last year in the movie theatre …I had heard of the legend about what a misfire etc…absolutely unjustified…it’s now in my top favourites of all time…the attention to detail and the epic sweep of the characters is fantastic..
@rickrische557Ай бұрын
I watched part 1 and was impressed by your essay, which led me to part 2. Thank you for letting me know I can definitely ignore your channel.
@dih2606Ай бұрын
Just brilliant, and so interesting in including diverse but relevant aspects, from the California doomsday cult, to the Johnson County wars epic you praise, to the stunning excess of Cimino, this film and its political poignance for today. Especially today in the US backed settler wars over their unconscionable land theft in Israel.
@noneofyourbusiness1114Ай бұрын
Is Babylon the new heavens gate?
@alexleon-tl1mqАй бұрын
It makes me so happy to see this film getting the recognition I always felt it deserved. First saw it in the early 2000’s and was obsessed with Bach’s book. The criterion restoration is exactly what this film needed to be discovered by later generations. I can’t recommend the criterion version enough. It’s absolutely wonderful.
@nenedoviАй бұрын
Nothing like a random review on youtube forcing me to watch my next favourite film. Please keep making content good sir.
@cooperjackson614Ай бұрын
I saw Heaven's Gate during the summer of 1981 at 16 years of age. I was the only person in the theater and fought temptation to leave. Not because it was horrible but because it was long and the theater was hot (Raleigh, NC). Two years later I arrived in LA and watched it on the Z Channel as the "Director's Cut". It was amazing and was the reason I worked and still work in the movie biz. This is a masterpiece that the critics weren't ready for and let their fear run their judgement.
@diptanshukashyap282 ай бұрын
Just curious - why are using the Japanese posters of the movies?
@dannytheman13132 ай бұрын
Yes this is a beautiful film however some of the criticism was valid at least at the time, it was overlong with scenes that easily could have been trimmed and the pace or feel of the film would not have suffered in the slightest, and yes we have the remastered version now where the colors are bright and vibrant back then it literally looked like someone pissed on the reels.
@sabocram2 ай бұрын
This Movie is not a Disaster, but say what you want, the Script is terrible written.
@mrmortimer7102 ай бұрын
I am fan of Michael Cimino's work when he did screenplays for Silent Running and Magnum Force. I remembered this documentary Z Channel: A Magnificent Obsession talked about Michael Cimino on Heaven's Gate and the banter from some of these so-called Film Critics made about the film. Jerry Harvey from Z Channel approached Cimino to ask if he had a Director's Cut. That pushed the envelope of having Director's Cut of films that are usually get ignored or being obscured
@JoeyArmstrong28002 ай бұрын
Terrific retrospective. Too bad this channel stopped it's output.
@JoeyArmstrong28002 ай бұрын
The new restoration looks beautiful but it's still not a very good film.
@JohnPaul-el7qd2 ай бұрын
Your cutaways are obnoxious. You can’t go 5 sentences with doing one. Lost me halfway through.
@l.salisbury12533 ай бұрын
Read Michael Medved's "Hollywood Hall of Shame" (1984). It features a GREAT sumup of the filming Heaven's Gate...
@milkocaceres30443 ай бұрын
Heaven´s Gate is a masterpiece, don´t listen the sheeps
@yourthaiguy3 ай бұрын
Sorry.. While stunning to look at this film was the very definition of PRETENIOUS...
@TheRealTDBourne3 ай бұрын
I watched Heaven's Gate recently. It's actually well done.
@lemerdeposteur3 ай бұрын
32:31 why does the interviewer look more like Michael Cimino than Michael Cimino does
@audunmeister13 ай бұрын
This makes me really angry. Just some half-ass «witty» remarks about how movies should be or not be. Heaven’s Gate is a masterpiece, I have never seen anything like it. PS Siskel and Ebert weren’t ALWAYS right about movies you know.
@f4ust853 ай бұрын
I recommend fantastic Cimino biography by Charles Elton. It reads like a spy novel.
@fondasarff97013 ай бұрын
Saw the film on original release. Have never forgotten. It was a good film that could have been great. It was too long, beautiful, about uncomfortable history with utterly lovely music. It pointed out a sad truth, too many film viewers pay too much attention to critics rather than using their own observations.
@fortynine32253 ай бұрын
It is to long but the story is fine so that is not really a problem. The battle at the end and the roman tactics that is just the best war stuff i have ever seen...It is a good movie..way over avarage..in fact i would call it a gem.
@GreatWestern1753 ай бұрын
I never listen or take critic's reviews on board. I went absolute ape shit when they (critics including Siskel and Ebert) ripped apart Hook, a childhood favorite film of mine. I doubt these so-called critics didn't go to the academy of film critics to qualify for their jobs as critics.
@RockandrollNegro3 ай бұрын
_The Deer Hunter_ was not the first American film critical of the Vietnam War. _Hail, Hero!_ and _Alice's Restaurant,_ _Coming Home,_ _Punishment Park,_ _FTA (Free... or Fxck the Army)_ and _Hearts and Minds_ all predate _The Deer Hunter._ Then you have movies like _Johnny Got His Gun_ and _Catch 22_ which were ostensibly about the World Wars, but were very much an indictment of the Vietnam War.
@mik9napkin5983 ай бұрын
Gonna stop right here and watch this before I finish your vid. I'm too curious. Just watched Deer Hunter for the 2nd time in 20 years, I think I ought see this entirely before more is spoiled. Seems friggin' awesome. Right up me alley.
@real_Gi3 ай бұрын
Heaven's gate is a masterpiece, because Kazaam is terrible.
@frankbarron19074 ай бұрын
The people living in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s were so spoiled by the huge number of quality films available to them, that they could afford to nitpick at details that were often minor flaws in what were otherwise very well crafted stories. I say this with the sobering clarity of living through the 2020’s, where the creatively bankrupt Woke inquisition has turned a once vibrant storytelling medium of film into a veritable desert, where only the occasional oasis can be enjoyed and savored.
@dthomscappelloАй бұрын
blaming diversity instead of the actual private equity capital that turned the industry risk-averse is missing the forest for the two-inch tall plants.
@frankbarron1907Ай бұрын
Oh please, I can’t believe you’re serious. I’m Mexican, bro. I hate the secular woke religion. That’s exactly what it is. It’s Maoism with American characteristics. Do you have a point? Sure, there was a measurable decline in quality storytelling because of risk aversion by the investors. But if you believe that the intrusion of woke Marxists into all levels of Hollywood didn’t speed the bankruptcy of creativity, I’ve got an iceberg to sell you, buddy.
@guinnesstrail67994 ай бұрын
Heaven’s Gate did not tank United Artists. The studio actually had a profitable year. It was bought in 1967 by Transamerica - an insurance/investment conglomerate - for $180 million; they sold it to Kirk Kerkorian in 1981 for $383 million. Steven Bach’s book Final Cut was essentially an insider’s take down of Cimino and UA, but later research shows that the real toll of Heaven’s Gate on UA was largely symbolic and Transamerica used the failure of Heaven’s Gate as a bit of a front to get out of the movie business, which has always been driven by its own business logic. When you combine the way Hollywood ‘writes off’ box office failures and milks product over a long period time, including the packaging of product when studios and film libraries are bought and sold (follow the trail of UA in the 80s/90s/2000s), you will find that Heaven’s Gate eventually turned a profit and lined somebody’s deep pockets. In many ways, Heaven’s Gate signalled a major shift in Hollywood and film culture. First, it was used to end the myth of the 70s director-driven Golden Age. Second, it moved board-decision making to the front and centre of movie production, which led to the sterility of franchise driven Hollywood. Third, it accelerated Hollywood Accounting and cross collateralizing as a pathway to squeezing profit from stinkers, hiding profits from contractual obligations, turning loss to success, overvaluing assets to fuel takeovers, and wholly degrading the art of movies. Fourth, movie criticism became a pawn in the shell game of movie advertising and propaganda-ushering in the era of Shalit, Sisley & Ebert, and express movie criticism, which eventually led to Rotten Tomatoes. As for Heaven’s Gate, it’s a damn fine film. It has a place in the Western Genre, a notch or two below the pastiche of Once Upon A Time In The West. The whole point of Cimino’s vision was spectacle disguised as social commentary on the role immigration played in the shaping of America. It’s kind of like a cowboy Godfather with whores, sheep herders, cow dung, and guns-for-hire replacing families, capos, drugs, and button-men. I would advise taking the footage, reshaping it into a twelve hour, multi part epic, and releasing it as a special edition. Why not! It’d still be better than 90% of the sludge being fed by Hollywood to the dumbed down American consumer.
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This film is one of the best; the point of the roller skate dance scene is that it's a joy to watch - the actors are spontaneously having a great time - it would be spellbinding to see that in real life - I could watch that much longer than 8 minutes. Why should it "advance the story" or have to make a point like in a whodunnit?
I was around 5 when this movie came out and to me, it will *always* be the movie with all the real -life horse murders. The big way it changed Hollywood was by making it standard to have the Humane Society on every film set to make sure no animals were hurt or killed.
This Movie Essay channel is so cool. Can’t believe Heaven’s Gate caused the downfall of the New Hollywood 70’s era filmmaking. I like Star Wars and LOTR trilogies.
Nice use of Pink Floyd. Instant Sub. Glad Criterion has restored Heaven’s Gate with the Directors Cut.
Where are you?? Its been 2 years
Dude your work is great. I wish you the best-and endurance!-in your efforts. God bless
Why do they just ride around in circles and let the cattle branch have pot shots at them.
Marvelous
I found The Johnson County War on Bing will watch it later. Thanks for the info.
No, the movie is still bad. I watched it very recently (but before checking out your video), so it was the 'brightened' version that is supposed to showcase a misunderstood masterpiece. It does nothing of the sort. You are right that the movie is not an unqualified disaster, but it is only because it has some saving graces. There are flickers of great artistic talent from Cimino, and the commitment from a series of very good actors (Isabelle Huppert!) is admirable. But it is clear that the whole project was fundamentally misconceived. Cimino turned a complex piece of history into an annoyingly simplifying 'good guys - bad guys' story. And the fact that his 'white saviour' fails in the end in spectacular fashion does not change that. The obsession with period detail is quite ridiculous in light of the fact that Cimino falsifies history on an industrial scale. What are those masses of immigrants doing in a place that was actually a sparsely populated backwater? It is like mixing the migration experience of New York (cramped accommodation and all) with Western mythology and the ragged landscape of Wyoming/Montana. The sound is terrible (but that can be helpful at times because the dialogues are not exactly of stellar quality). Character motivations are murky throughout (so the actors deserve a lot of credit for making something of such puzzling roles). The love triangle between Ella, Averill, and Champion ('Can't a woman love two men?') is misguided. To me, the biggest letdown is the scene when Ella dies. It is supposed to be the emotional climax of the movie. And it is just silly. How can Averill walk away unscathed when he is in an exposed position in broad daylight facing at least four gunmen with rifles, and when his two companions end up dead riddled with bullets? Oh yes, he needed to survive so that Cimino could add his sombre epilogue about an unhappy life. (And never mind that, in real life, Averill and his wife Ella were lynched in 1889 - years before the infamous slaying of Champion in 1892.) The real kicker is when Averill holds the dying body of Ella ('Oh Ella, don't die!). I dare anyone to tell me that that bit has any emotional authenticity to it. Heaven's Gate is a move that Cimino never had the ability to deliver in decent quality. But I guess there is a sliver lining, Apparently, what he really wanted was adapting The Fountainhead. Hmm, the combination of his ego and Ayn Rand's sociopathic philosophical ideas... That could have been the real disaster.
All you kids care about is ‘Star Wars’ & Kubrick.
what a great video. you deserve more views and subs sir. you really do
Modern American Cinema is dead. Too many Lesbians.
Wonderful video Where in Florida do you live? From South Florida and living in Tallahassee now
This was a great movie
8:52 Can anyone explain to me what Charlie Chaplain does right here? After he signs the paper he presses it down with something.
That is an ink blotter used to dry and absorb any excess ink coming from fountain pens which drew ink directly from an inkwell and were used before ballpoint pens were perfected.
@@reddykilowatt thank you
Movie sucked ass. Utter ass.
you sound like an expert on the topic. 😂
Not since Buster Keaton's magnificent 'The General' has such a grand and authentic cinematic masterpiece been filmed.
Great film. Top ten Kubrick like film not directed by Kubrick. Oh, and the roller rink scene is sublime.
Where is the video explaining why Michael Cimino looks like hes on the Housewives of New Jersey you promised at the end of the Heavens Gate part 2 video??? Im dying to know.
Looking forward to part 2 ❤
Saw this last year in the movie theatre …I had heard of the legend about what a misfire etc…absolutely unjustified…it’s now in my top favourites of all time…the attention to detail and the epic sweep of the characters is fantastic..
I watched part 1 and was impressed by your essay, which led me to part 2. Thank you for letting me know I can definitely ignore your channel.
Just brilliant, and so interesting in including diverse but relevant aspects, from the California doomsday cult, to the Johnson County wars epic you praise, to the stunning excess of Cimino, this film and its political poignance for today. Especially today in the US backed settler wars over their unconscionable land theft in Israel.
Is Babylon the new heavens gate?
It makes me so happy to see this film getting the recognition I always felt it deserved. First saw it in the early 2000’s and was obsessed with Bach’s book. The criterion restoration is exactly what this film needed to be discovered by later generations. I can’t recommend the criterion version enough. It’s absolutely wonderful.
Nothing like a random review on youtube forcing me to watch my next favourite film. Please keep making content good sir.
I saw Heaven's Gate during the summer of 1981 at 16 years of age. I was the only person in the theater and fought temptation to leave. Not because it was horrible but because it was long and the theater was hot (Raleigh, NC). Two years later I arrived in LA and watched it on the Z Channel as the "Director's Cut". It was amazing and was the reason I worked and still work in the movie biz. This is a masterpiece that the critics weren't ready for and let their fear run their judgement.
Just curious - why are using the Japanese posters of the movies?
Yes this is a beautiful film however some of the criticism was valid at least at the time, it was overlong with scenes that easily could have been trimmed and the pace or feel of the film would not have suffered in the slightest, and yes we have the remastered version now where the colors are bright and vibrant back then it literally looked like someone pissed on the reels.
This Movie is not a Disaster, but say what you want, the Script is terrible written.
I am fan of Michael Cimino's work when he did screenplays for Silent Running and Magnum Force. I remembered this documentary Z Channel: A Magnificent Obsession talked about Michael Cimino on Heaven's Gate and the banter from some of these so-called Film Critics made about the film. Jerry Harvey from Z Channel approached Cimino to ask if he had a Director's Cut. That pushed the envelope of having Director's Cut of films that are usually get ignored or being obscured
Terrific retrospective. Too bad this channel stopped it's output.
The new restoration looks beautiful but it's still not a very good film.
Your cutaways are obnoxious. You can’t go 5 sentences with doing one. Lost me halfway through.
Read Michael Medved's "Hollywood Hall of Shame" (1984). It features a GREAT sumup of the filming Heaven's Gate...
Heaven´s Gate is a masterpiece, don´t listen the sheeps
Sorry.. While stunning to look at this film was the very definition of PRETENIOUS...
I watched Heaven's Gate recently. It's actually well done.
32:31 why does the interviewer look more like Michael Cimino than Michael Cimino does
This makes me really angry. Just some half-ass «witty» remarks about how movies should be or not be. Heaven’s Gate is a masterpiece, I have never seen anything like it. PS Siskel and Ebert weren’t ALWAYS right about movies you know.
I recommend fantastic Cimino biography by Charles Elton. It reads like a spy novel.
Saw the film on original release. Have never forgotten. It was a good film that could have been great. It was too long, beautiful, about uncomfortable history with utterly lovely music. It pointed out a sad truth, too many film viewers pay too much attention to critics rather than using their own observations.
It is to long but the story is fine so that is not really a problem. The battle at the end and the roman tactics that is just the best war stuff i have ever seen...It is a good movie..way over avarage..in fact i would call it a gem.
I never listen or take critic's reviews on board. I went absolute ape shit when they (critics including Siskel and Ebert) ripped apart Hook, a childhood favorite film of mine. I doubt these so-called critics didn't go to the academy of film critics to qualify for their jobs as critics.
_The Deer Hunter_ was not the first American film critical of the Vietnam War. _Hail, Hero!_ and _Alice's Restaurant,_ _Coming Home,_ _Punishment Park,_ _FTA (Free... or Fxck the Army)_ and _Hearts and Minds_ all predate _The Deer Hunter._ Then you have movies like _Johnny Got His Gun_ and _Catch 22_ which were ostensibly about the World Wars, but were very much an indictment of the Vietnam War.
Gonna stop right here and watch this before I finish your vid. I'm too curious. Just watched Deer Hunter for the 2nd time in 20 years, I think I ought see this entirely before more is spoiled. Seems friggin' awesome. Right up me alley.
Heaven's gate is a masterpiece, because Kazaam is terrible.
The people living in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s were so spoiled by the huge number of quality films available to them, that they could afford to nitpick at details that were often minor flaws in what were otherwise very well crafted stories. I say this with the sobering clarity of living through the 2020’s, where the creatively bankrupt Woke inquisition has turned a once vibrant storytelling medium of film into a veritable desert, where only the occasional oasis can be enjoyed and savored.
blaming diversity instead of the actual private equity capital that turned the industry risk-averse is missing the forest for the two-inch tall plants.
Oh please, I can’t believe you’re serious. I’m Mexican, bro. I hate the secular woke religion. That’s exactly what it is. It’s Maoism with American characteristics. Do you have a point? Sure, there was a measurable decline in quality storytelling because of risk aversion by the investors. But if you believe that the intrusion of woke Marxists into all levels of Hollywood didn’t speed the bankruptcy of creativity, I’ve got an iceberg to sell you, buddy.
Heaven’s Gate did not tank United Artists. The studio actually had a profitable year. It was bought in 1967 by Transamerica - an insurance/investment conglomerate - for $180 million; they sold it to Kirk Kerkorian in 1981 for $383 million. Steven Bach’s book Final Cut was essentially an insider’s take down of Cimino and UA, but later research shows that the real toll of Heaven’s Gate on UA was largely symbolic and Transamerica used the failure of Heaven’s Gate as a bit of a front to get out of the movie business, which has always been driven by its own business logic. When you combine the way Hollywood ‘writes off’ box office failures and milks product over a long period time, including the packaging of product when studios and film libraries are bought and sold (follow the trail of UA in the 80s/90s/2000s), you will find that Heaven’s Gate eventually turned a profit and lined somebody’s deep pockets. In many ways, Heaven’s Gate signalled a major shift in Hollywood and film culture. First, it was used to end the myth of the 70s director-driven Golden Age. Second, it moved board-decision making to the front and centre of movie production, which led to the sterility of franchise driven Hollywood. Third, it accelerated Hollywood Accounting and cross collateralizing as a pathway to squeezing profit from stinkers, hiding profits from contractual obligations, turning loss to success, overvaluing assets to fuel takeovers, and wholly degrading the art of movies. Fourth, movie criticism became a pawn in the shell game of movie advertising and propaganda-ushering in the era of Shalit, Sisley & Ebert, and express movie criticism, which eventually led to Rotten Tomatoes. As for Heaven’s Gate, it’s a damn fine film. It has a place in the Western Genre, a notch or two below the pastiche of Once Upon A Time In The West. The whole point of Cimino’s vision was spectacle disguised as social commentary on the role immigration played in the shaping of America. It’s kind of like a cowboy Godfather with whores, sheep herders, cow dung, and guns-for-hire replacing families, capos, drugs, and button-men. I would advise taking the footage, reshaping it into a twelve hour, multi part epic, and releasing it as a special edition. Why not! It’d still be better than 90% of the sludge being fed by Hollywood to the dumbed down American consumer.