amazing channel! not sure whether you have the ability to get your hands on some Sonys a7 IV/a7C 2 and a7R III. I'd be stoked to see an astrophotography showdown between Sony's older 42.4MP sensor and the newer 33 & 61MP ones! I'm looking to get the best of the best of these higher-res cameras when it comes to lowlight - you're the only channel that does the comparison I care about!
@DesmondButler18 сағат бұрын
Glad to hear you're finding the info useful! I was always curious about these type of comparisons, and now that I've done them, I have a much better understanding of how many of these systems work, and I'm glad that sharing it has been informative for others. Thanks for the suggestions. I haven't ever played with the a7R III, but my next video is very Sony heavy, so be on the look out for that 👍
@user-ln3mz1wv8w4 күн бұрын
The camera in your video is an EOS RP, not an EOS R.
@DesmondButler4 күн бұрын
That is correct, @philk.268 pointed this out in the comments last year. The gentleman I borrowed it from had no idea, but it is kind of silly that Canon prints the correct name on the body for every camera except this one.
@gregsyverson7 күн бұрын
I shoot the aurora at 24fps instead of 30 or 60. 1/24 of a second comparted to 1/60 a second gives you brighter auroras and you can use a lower ISO. I still believe the Sony A7S3 is tops. As you stated many other cameras can do a good job as well. Amazing what our cell phones can do for still images at night. I did test the Sony A1 for video and it surprised me. A7S3 ( still the King)
@DesmondButler7 күн бұрын
On one of my other KZread channels that deals with low light scenarios, we always shoot at 24fps and 1/48, but for most social media sites, 30p is treated better during compression, so as a studio policy, I have always tried to stick with that. I have not had the pleasure of the testing out the A1, so that's pretty cool that you did. Great info as well, thanks!
@maxru55917 күн бұрын
why did you not use a 1,8 ora fast lens? using a 2,8 its a huge mistake
@DesmondButler7 күн бұрын
Several of the shots featured in this video were shot at f1.4 and are marked accordingly. It would have been cool to shoot the timelapses with a wider aperture, but I'm still working on getting a wide angle lens that opens up to that width. Someday soon hopefully.
@1234clarknj16 күн бұрын
Desmond, great videos in your portfolio. Your narration is "top shelf". Vert natural and easy to listen to. Instant Subscriber!!! Keep up the effort and grow your channel if you have the time. I am certainly looking forward to following you and learning.
@DesmondButler16 күн бұрын
Thank you for the compliments! I'm glad the effort is being appreciated.
@Attck.18 күн бұрын
does the interval matter? does it have to be 1 sec?
@DesmondButler18 күн бұрын
It depends on the camera. What you really want is no space at all between shots, but a lot of cameras will already do that if you set it to 1 second, if the exposure time is longer than that.
@Attck.18 күн бұрын
@@DesmondButler so for instance I have my exposure set for 10 seconds, if I turn on interval shooting, it’ll just set the interval to 1? I’m shooting on a a73
@DesmondButler17 күн бұрын
@@Attck. You should be able to follow a similar process to what is shown with the a7R IV at 1:45 in this video. Set the seconds low (1 is best) so that the process will go more quickly, and set the number of images as high as you'd like your timelapse length to be.
@andrewtreloar738927 күн бұрын
The Canon 6D is still a brilliant low-light camera even today. It still continues to punch well above its weight with regard to light capture and low noise!
@DesmondButler27 күн бұрын
Totally agree
@jszymc28 күн бұрын
very cool comparison. Can you do one with Canon R5c vs sony a7rv?
@DesmondButler27 күн бұрын
I'll see if I can get my hands on one. Thanks for the suggestion.
@anonymous.369Ай бұрын
You might want to change/randomize the test images' left to right order. T3i, 6d always start from the left...
@DesmondButlerАй бұрын
I see what you mean. I guess I've been a little too OCD with the order. Doing what you suggest might make it more of a guess for viewers. I might have to consider trying that on my next broad test. Thanks for the suggestion.
@MartinFranssonАй бұрын
It would be great to see a comparison with the R6 mkII for video.
@DesmondButlerАй бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll try to get my hands on one.
@maxru55917 күн бұрын
r6 II is a monster in night photo, not in video mode
@maxru55917 күн бұрын
i just taken a sony s2 yes s2 is better of s3 in night mode
@MartinFransson7 күн бұрын
@@maxru5591 but it must be at least as good as the R6 mk 1, right? I have the R6 mk 1 and it does pretty well also with film at night.
@maxru55917 күн бұрын
@@MartinFransson i think its much better with more red sensitivity I shoot at 12,800 with no noise in the next days i hope to post a timelapse in kitt peak
@frodomann108Ай бұрын
I think I finally understand how ISO works. Thanks
@DesmondButlerАй бұрын
Glad it helped!
@RobertClontzАй бұрын
What you think you know vs what other people know 🤯. Nice video
@JasonTaylor-po5xcАй бұрын
I've seen a lot of folks crapping on the Sony A7R V for some reason - too much noise or something like that. But, your images look pretty good to me. Basically, I'm looking at getting an all purpose camera (hobby). It's a stretch to spend nearly $4k on a camera so I'm also considering the A7CR or A7C II - as long as I'm comfortable with the grip. When I travel, I'll probably opt for the cheaper/lighter lenses anyway and I'll have it on a tripod for any big guns. I've been a photo bug since the early 2000s with the Canon 20D being my first dSLR - but I'm new to astro.
@DesmondButlerАй бұрын
Welcome to the club! People think I'm crazy for leaving the full frame cameras behind when I travel and instead opting for the Sony APS-C, but like you, I prefer to travel light, and as you mentioned, the smaller lenses certainly would be cheaper to replace if they got damaged in transit. That being said, the a7R V is an incredible choice when you just gotta have those deep details. If you check back later this month, I just tested a camera that may give the a7R a run for its money. Videos on that coming soon.
@PspetАй бұрын
But... f3.5 on APS-C is not equivalent to f3.5 on full frame...
@understorey_lifeАй бұрын
Crazy!! Nice 🎉
@understorey_lifeАй бұрын
Wow, amazing workflow video! Thanks, really insightful! 🎉 Straight to the point 🤌🏻
@DesmondButlerАй бұрын
Thanks for checking it out!
@janoca2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this video, it was really helpful!
@DesmondButler2 ай бұрын
I'm happy to hear that. Thanks for watching!
@zalllon2 ай бұрын
I just created a 3-D printed housing to act as a filter where the solar sheet can be sandwiched inside it, then just added it to my 500 mm camera lens even slightly better quality, pretty cool
@DesmondButler2 ай бұрын
I like the ingenuity.
@SPAZIOASTRO2 ай бұрын
bro can u recommend a camera for around $650 that is good for astrography as a beginner
@DesmondButler2 ай бұрын
If your budget is $650 for body and lens, you might have to go with an older DSLR to start. You'll find a lot of people in my comments sections who swear by the Canon 6D, which you can get for around $350 on the used market. I'd pair it with the lens you see in this video, the Rokinon 14mm f/2.8, which only costs around $280 used. But if that was your budget for just the camera, I'd definitely go with something mirrorless. I haven't tested it myself, but from what I've seen, the Sony a7II is a pretty great full frame camera for low light shooting, and can be found used for around $630.
@nnisargpatel2 ай бұрын
I always prefer lightroom for my workflow but thanks for sharing this information i will try bridge. Appreciate your efforts
@DesmondButler2 ай бұрын
Lightroom is definitely the more popular program these days. Thanks for watching!
@lancealbon462 ай бұрын
According to DXOMark, the best low light Sony Alpha is the Sony a7iii (3730), while the Sony a7rv (3187) is actually much better than the Sony a7siii (2520), and second best is the very old Sony a7s (3702). Thank you for this video. It was very informative and very well presented. Personally, I have the Sony a7s and a7r ii … and I just love my Sony a7r ii for Milky Way photography : )
@karlnotyourbusiness44292 ай бұрын
Hi, newby here. I tried using my RV for astro last night and found that if I set my 24mm f1.4 at 20sec and high iso the whole scene whited out. Shortening the exposure meant it was more light a nightscope I could see so much of the scenery. Photopills does warn that the 500 rule may not work with newer sensors but your setting do work whereas mine didn't. It was so bright there was no way I could see the stars let alone focus. Any idea why? All help appreciated.
@DesmondButler2 ай бұрын
I actually think you're doing exactly what you need to do to get great shots with your camera. My first few night outings were full of unusable shots. Its not just learning the science, its also getting to know your camera and your lenses. So my advice is to keep experimenting, but based on what you're saying, there are a couple things you might start with. I have referred to ISO in my videos as if it is a uniform setting, but we are finding out that it really isn't. For some of the award winning shots that were captured with my Sony a6500, I was actually using 2000 and even sometimes 1600 ISO. That is definitely worth a try in your case. Try a whole bunch of settings. See what you like while you're there, but also take some extras to test in editing later. What you may discover is that your specific camera does really well at one particular ISO when weather and atmospheric seeing are at a certain condition. Second, I like that you're trying out 20 second shots, but also give 10 second shots a try, and anything in between. The main idea here is experimentation, and like I said, I think you're already on the right track. Let me know how it goes!
@kshgarg13 ай бұрын
2:36 what a beautiful shot!
@jharrelphoto3 ай бұрын
I love and use a modded 6d for astro. However I wish it was iso invariant. With the 6d you really need to nail the exposure in camera. Other than that it is great. I am looking at the Sony a7r5 and this video helped. I also shoot with nikon z7ii and zf and want to test the zf out for astro because it is suppose to be a beast. But I really want one camera that can do it all well. and that is looking like the a7r5. thanks for the video
@DesmondButler3 ай бұрын
As I was explaining to another prospective Sony photographer this weekend, if you can deal with the large file sizes, it's hard not to be impressed with what the A7RV puts out. Let me know what you find out from testing the ZF!
@jharrelphoto3 ай бұрын
I will let you know for sure! I am hoping it does really well. Although it is nice to have extra resolution and detail with the z7ii@@DesmondButler
@carlgough78394 ай бұрын
something wrong with the R6 mounting. I own an R6 and 6D "astromodified" and the R6 is far superior. I'm not trying to be critical but the stars show something is wrong with either the r6 mounting, or maybe IBIS was switched on? seems to have bad astigmatism
@DesmondButler4 ай бұрын
The real issue was the servos on the telescope mount. It was hard to get a clean shot with any of these cameras, so I sometimes just went with the cleanest. Its very possible you're just noticing a slight nudge on one example over another, and I'll take the fault for that. I did do a later comparison of these cameras shooting the Milky Way on tripod: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZoOqtNCfgtzRp6w.htmlsi=PcjtY6IVmAu86mrT
@carlgough78394 ай бұрын
@@DesmondButler ah mount error. Yeah thought of that after. Please don’t think of that as a negative comment “Altough I’m a little defensive of my R6 and 6D” it’s a great informative video. Maybe an eq mount later down the road with a wider FOV scope. I use an inexpensive star adventurer and either a Samyang 135mm or a Sharpstar on my travels and it offers great bang for the buck. My Orion RC 8” is on a big heavy EQ6-r in the garden and I wouldn’t dream of lugging that about. At the longer focal lengths even the slightest errors shows up big time
@DesmondButler4 ай бұрын
@@carlgough7839 Good suggestions. I really should give some better setups a try. I might even be able to rent something that would work.
@duststar12654 ай бұрын
Very nice video! I got a doubt: have you ever used a Sony a7R III? If that's so, is it almost the same in work as the a7R V? I got to know that a7R III even have corrected the star eater problem
@DesmondButler4 ай бұрын
I apologize, but I've never had the opportunity to use the A7R III. I have done a lot of shoots with the A7R IV and the A7R V though, and the high pixel count has been a huge factor for high detail imaging. I know the III only has 42MP compared to the 61MP on the IV and V, but honestly that's still a lot, and star eating really only comes into play if you activate the in-body noise reduction features. You'd probably get some great shots with the III if you had access to one.
@duststar12654 ай бұрын
@@DesmondButler Thank you so much for answering
@xxxxxz834 ай бұрын
excellent video!!! What is it called or where can I get the filter for the modified camera so I can take photos in daylight?
@DesmondButler4 ай бұрын
Important question, but the answer will vary. Depending on the type of astromod you have done on your camera, there are a number of what are called "in-body filters" or "clip-filters" that can be purchased to work in place of the coatings that were removed from your camera's sensor for the modification. For the EOS RP used in my videos, I believe this is the filter shown: www.astrogear.net/products/astronomik-owb-type-3-clip-filter-eos-r-xl
@albutt71324 ай бұрын
I prefer the canon 6d given how cheap you can pick one of these up.
@polyph0nic4 ай бұрын
So you've become a sony guy huh? ;)
@DesmondButler4 ай бұрын
Born this way 😎 JK. I try hard to be objective in these videos, but I feel like the results speak for themselves. Hard to beat the low-light performance on their backlit mirrorless sensors.
@echoauxgen5 ай бұрын
Thanks for showing the A7RV - SURPRISED!! I have both the A7RV and A7SM3 as well as A7S and A7SM2 and A7RM2. I have been doing Astro MW since '15 and started with the A7S then went A7SM2 and A7R2 '17 But was very surprised with the A7RM2 at the Grand Canyon getting the deep dark canyon as well as star filled sky. The reason to keep the Mod 1 and 2's is the on camera apps like the "Digital Filter" lets you get sky over bright skies areas.
@galacticnemesis3665 ай бұрын
Check out Alyn Wallace on the 6D it has won so many astrophotography comps and been responsible for so many entries it stands way above any other camera. Much to the ire of Sony. 🤩🔭✨
@DesmondButler5 ай бұрын
The 6D still gets a lot of love, and its easy to see why. In many cases, it will be subjective though. I've lost some competitions to photos I didn't particularly admire, and I've been surprised to have won other times when I didn't think I was going to. That's why I always ask the viewers to tell me which of the test images they liked best. That said, if I was on my way to attempt to photograph my next award winning shot, based on all my many test sessions, I would be carrying the Sony A7RV, without question.
@CountDorkula5 ай бұрын
first time watching your page, great test video love what you doing with the camera shootout, also I'm looking for purchase a DSLR for Astrophotography and have taken astro pictures with my cell for a few years now off & on, Now I'm looking for commit to a real setup other then my dobsonian & a cell phone. I do have a T3i with a shutter count of only 203 & a T5i shutter count of 843 both very low & almost new. I was thinking of getting a better newer Canon weather-sealed camera body, I would jump on a Canon 6D if the price was right and in excellent to mind condition, but locally everyone I've seen is fair to good condition and the price is still too high at over $600. any other newer Canon Non R models I should consider crop or full frame? fyi that Rokinon lens is on my hit list... The Sony a7RV picture is amazing, Now I see why people are moving to Sony.
@DesmondButler5 ай бұрын
Glad you're enjoying the videos! It can be pretty impressive what you can capture with new smartphone cameras today. If you were wanting to move up from what you had but still stay on a very tight budget, I'd most likely recommend getting a second-hand Sony a7II. Its a full frame mirrorless camera that sits in the middle of each of the Alpha line variants, and its pretty popular in the astrophotography community. I'm seeing them available on Adorama for $495 for just the camera body, but you can find some with a lens bundled in for pretty cheap as well. No matter what direction you go with, I'd definitely push you toward mirrorless cameras. DSLR isn't dead, but the benefits of mirrorless are just too great to pass up anymore. I hear that Pentax and Nikon have some good mirrorless night shooters, but I haven't tested any yet. I like Canon for a lot of things, but as you'll see from my testing, their mirrorless cameras are definitely behind the rest when it comes to low light, which is the main reason I seem to always be recommending Sony cameras. They just do night shots exceptionally well.
@CountDorkula5 ай бұрын
@@DesmondButler would I need to get the Sony a7II modified for H-alpha or just use it stock? Also second question, if I stay with Canon DSLR and can't find the 6D I'm looking for, What would be two Canon model / options I should look at that would get me the results of the 6D as to low noise? So you understand I'm not located in the USA so Adorama wouldn't be a place I would normally shop at.
@DesmondButler5 ай бұрын
@@CountDorkula Greetings to you, wherever you are writing from. I try not to assume since a lot of the commenters on this channel are not from the states, but when talking about price, I'm unfortunately only familiar with the online shops I've used here. Sorry about that. As far as I know, the only Canon DSLR options that would match or exceed the low light performance of the 6D are going to be noticeably more expensive. The only one I know of that comes close is the EOS 5D Mark IV, and it still sells for over a grand used.
@danfox14585 ай бұрын
The 6D is the better one looks more natural, the a7rv pic just looks photo shopped it's a night pic but looks like a cheap ass low budget african film with a sweet rapper on the lens for a filter
@achristianson40595 ай бұрын
Wow , what’s an Astro mod? That sounds intriguing? I have r6 canon II… is it a software add or hardware? I’m not getting much with my setup at the moment… I have only used canon 24-105mm RF
@DesmondButler5 ай бұрын
Hey Mr Christianson, I think I remember you trying to learn more about this almost a year ago. I tried to explain this briefly in the video at about the 2:33 mark, but you can also learn more about it in depth here: www.spencerscamera.com/astro-conversions.cfm
@Astrobloke5 ай бұрын
I have a Canon 6D Mk1 and its such a great camera for astro. I think its the pixel size that makes it so good, a whopping 6.54.
@billvinson78595 ай бұрын
I have the Canon 60Da and EOS Ra. I get great modified Ha photos with both. I use a Williams Obtics Redcat 51 telescope with my cameras. No aberrations at all, and flat field. ❤
@DesmondButler5 ай бұрын
That looks like a pretty nice astrophotography scope. This video was about shooting wide for Milky Way, but I also did a comparison of nebula shots using a telescope: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rI6Gxc2giqrMk8Y.htmlsi=Tc97Xe7fquSrLmeO Though I'm thinking your scope is probably better for photography than what I used 😅
@CelebrityLyrics5 ай бұрын
It would be nice to do a comparison of newest Sony lineup: a74, a7rv, a9iii, a7c, a7siii. Thank you! I really want to get into astrophotography.
@DesmondButler5 ай бұрын
I would LOVE to do a shoot like this. If only my channel was on Sony's radar 😅
@billkonkel63255 ай бұрын
The Canon T3i is the easiest to Astro modify and it also has a very small cropped in video mode that’s good for planetary. You can also pick up a used body in good condition for $100 to $150.
@DesmondButler5 ай бұрын
They're extremely inexpensive and very common, so always worth a mention. Do you own one that has been astro-modded?
@xentrium78935 ай бұрын
lower the iso to 3200 or 1600 you will get better result
@DesmondButler5 ай бұрын
Yes, you should always experiment with ISO. It really is not an objective metric, and I'm not sure if it ever was. With the T3i, you really won't get much data at 3200, but you also get way too much noise at 6400. I will say, though, that the cameras in the a7 line do just fine at 6400, so it really just depends. Always try multiple settings 👍
@Lux_brumalis_photography5 ай бұрын
Nice Video! 👏
@DesmondButler5 ай бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it 😊
@jack59616 ай бұрын
I would really like to get into astrophotography. I am a beginner photographer and I still have my Canon 600D which I bought in 2012. Should I keep going with that? If so, what kit should I buy for it? I'd like to start with capturing planets in our solar system, the moon, galaxies and nebula. So a bit of everything. I still only have the standard kit lens and I might still have my tripod and intervalometer from when I tried capturing star trails once. I am reading about Skywatchers and Celestrons and EQ mounts and all kinds of stuff I don't have much of a clue about 😅I have a budget to buy some more kit though if I know what I am buying. Would be grateful for any advice. I am open to astromodifying my 600D (if it's recommended to stick with it), but I don't know how.
@DesmondButler6 ай бұрын
The 600D is the same model featured in this video as the T3i. I did a lot of astrophotography on that camera before moving on, but it was well worth it to upgrade. If you were just getting started, I'd say keep playing around with what you have until the shortcomings drive you to want something better, but if you've already done some Milky Way and you're serious about trying out nebulae and planetary imaging, it would be time to upgrade. In both of those cases you'll need either a star tracking mount with a telephoto lens, or an autotracking telescope with a T-ring adapter. I talk about this a little bit in my Eagle Nebula Shootout video from this year. The 600D is, for the most part, going to be too noisy and too low resolution for those categories. But that doesn't mean you'll have to break the bank. A secondhand mirrorless camera, even at the APS-C size, will give you a huge leap in noise control, and will likely bring 4K video to the table, which is necessary for good planetary imaging. I went to the Sony a6500 after the 600D and loved it (still do), which you can get for under $500 in the used market right now. But there are lots of other great options out there too.
@Fotogoscar6 ай бұрын
I was on the fence about upgrading from a7riii to the a7rV. I do both landscape and astro but was afraid of the higher megapixel for astro.
@DesmondButler6 ай бұрын
I do a lot of detail stacking and timelapses, and the file sizes with the a7RV are definitely a legitimate concern, not just for storage space but also required processing power. That's a major reason why I still default to the a6500 for a lot of quick projects. I'd say if you love what you're getting out of the a7RIII, stick with it. The two reasons I would give for the upgrade to the V are that I do actually find that the greater pixel count significantly aids detail stacking, and that the 8K video is a huge boost for anyone using the "lucky imaging" technique for planetary stacking.
@billvinson78596 ай бұрын
I have the Samyang 12mm for my Fujifilm cameras and the 14mm for my full frame Stoney cameras. They are great for Milky Way and meteor shower photos.
@DesmondButler6 ай бұрын
It looks like you've been busy capturing a lot of timelapses with them. Nice 👍
@user-dl5tt1pf3e6 ай бұрын
Почему я часто слышу, что R зеленит? Это исправляется как-то?
@DesmondButler6 ай бұрын
Вы имеете в виду сони или кэнон? Я не знаю, слышал ли я это раньше.
@user-dl5tt1pf3e6 ай бұрын
@@DesmondButler Canon R. Его сравнивали с R6 и R5, у остальных цвета тёплые, но у Canon R они зеленят и это странно. Может это настройка такая.
@user-dl5tt1pf3e6 ай бұрын
@@DesmondButler даже у вас на видео Canon R имеет зелёный оттенок цвета. Это убирать можно?
@DesmondButler6 ай бұрын
@@user-dl5tt1pf3e Я не заметил, но да, это можно убрать в фотошопе, отрегулировав «баланс белого».
@user-dl5tt1pf3e6 ай бұрын
@@DesmondButler у вас на видео, где сравнение 5 камер я вижу, что у R единственного земля зеленая
@TLOverlander6 ай бұрын
Was in-body noise reduction used in the test?
@DesmondButler6 ай бұрын
No noise reduction was used to capture these raw images. I will sometimes use it for my personal milky way shots depending on the circumstances, but I am aware that many photographers in the community consider this feature to be a "star eater", so these tests are always completed with those features disabled. Thanks for the question.
@-MrEVIL-6 ай бұрын
Sony apsc is insane Old a6000 is somehow still relevant to this day Not in astronomy though but still, af is good for day to day unlike other old cameras
@DesmondButler6 ай бұрын
There are definitely some drawbacks and shortcomings with the first one in the series, but you're absolutely right, the auto-focus system was a form factor game-changer.
@-MrEVIL-6 ай бұрын
@@DesmondButler yep Noise in high iso is bad by today's standards And no 4k and bad battery life but still a steal for 300$
@volcomvw3117 ай бұрын
As a 6Dmkii and classic 6D shooter, ever year I think that I am going to upgrade to mirrorless and every time I end up sticking with my current bodies. Strictly in terms of ISO strength ( in my humble opinion ) one has to jump up to the R5 or a7Rv to gain a difference worth the money.
@DesmondButler7 ай бұрын
My experience can't seem to dispute that. As a professional photographer and videographer, there are advantages outside of astrophotography that made the jump to mirrorless extremely practical, but if we're just talking about night shots, that 6D still makes a solid impression in 2023.
@rockmusicvideoreviewer8967 ай бұрын
Canon R is not the same as the Canon R1
@DesmondButler7 ай бұрын
While I did verbally refer to it once as the R1, none of my labels do. That being said, a "Canon EOS R1" does not exist yet; that is only a rumored model at the present time. Unfortunately for me, I still got it wrong though 😅A little while ago, a keen observer was able to determine that that camera is actually the EOS RP (even though it says EOS R on the body). The person I borrowed it from didn't even know.
@rockmusicvideoreviewer8967 ай бұрын
@@DesmondButler I can't remember if it was in this video or another video, where you state that one of the APS-C cameras is brighter than the Full Frame. Usually FF cameras are brighter with less noise once you start to crank up the ISO. So if you cranked up the ISO in both cameras, the FF would overall be brighter with more detail than the crop. Have you considered that?
@DesmondButler7 ай бұрын
@@rockmusicvideoreviewer896 That's absolutely a valid point, but in short, if we're comparing Canon to Sony, that outcome is very unlikely. There are a lot of reasons why Sony models of any size reproduce more light than Canon, especially at maximum ISO, but rather than diving into that, let's consider the functionality of your suggestion. ISO range definitely expands your flexibility with night shots. But if you go that route, then you have to keep in mind that Canon has not frequently touted multiple native ISO values, while Sony has been focused on this feature for a long time. This would primarily be a conversation about noise rather than image brightness, but it just goes to show how different camera models just don't treat these values the same at all in either regard. Essentially, you're right though, in future comparisons it will be important to demonstrate at which ISO selection a camera model starts to produce noise levels that break down the image usability, while also comparing the amount of light capture. Thanks for mentioning this.
@egillis2147 ай бұрын
Try the EOS Ra!
@pauljoels21057 ай бұрын
I’m still using canon 6d’s and have a full range of EF lenses I use with them. I’ll be honest I love my 6d’s for what they do but am always impressed when I see results from some of the newer mirrorless Sony’s (in particular) but also canon’s. I see mixed reviews of the r6 as an upgrade from the 6d. I mostly shoot Milky Way/Aurora but am Not sure if the extra cost of any mirrorless is warranted really - maybe I’m just being attracted by something newer and shinier?! A point in your video made me curious though - can you adapt ef lenses for Sony bodies? I’m using: Samyang 14mm manual Samyang 14mm AF Tamron 24-70mm f2.8 Sigma 35mm f1.4 art
@DesmondButler7 ай бұрын
I hear from a lot of 6D users that they still love what they get out of it for astrophotography, and I think that's great. I do like the R6, but I wouldn't recommend the upgrade to it if astrophotography is your primary. Yes, EF lenses adapt well to mirrorless Sony bodies. I've used some 3D printed adapters, but here's one that would work: www.amazon.com/Fotasy-Manual-Mount-Adapter-NAEF/dp/B003XY8DF4 This adapter only does manual, but there are some that add electronic control for a much higher price.
@pauljoels21057 ай бұрын
Thanks Desmond. Interesting. I guess I’ll hold on then. I figured the jump in sensor technology would have been worthwhile and was surprised by how little difference there was in your video. The Sony’s certainly seem to be winning there at the moment. I’ve seen quite a few people move to R5’s for Astro and landscape and while it would be a nice camera to have, I don’t see the “Astro value” in it. Even the modded ones! The 6d always performs well next to my modded 100d (a cheap test purchase to see if modded was worth it), and even against a friend’s Astro modded 6d…
@pauljoels21057 ай бұрын
I’ll look into the adapters now as I never realised that was an option. No way could I justify replacing all the lenses, but equally I’d only want to get a Sony if I could use some of the electronic features. I realise it’s of no importance for Astro but I do use the cameras elsewhere with family (hence the samyang 14mm AF!). And I’m pretty sure I’d be gutted if I had to leave a Sony in the bag for those occasions…
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amazing channel! not sure whether you have the ability to get your hands on some Sonys a7 IV/a7C 2 and a7R III. I'd be stoked to see an astrophotography showdown between Sony's older 42.4MP sensor and the newer 33 & 61MP ones! I'm looking to get the best of the best of these higher-res cameras when it comes to lowlight - you're the only channel that does the comparison I care about!
Glad to hear you're finding the info useful! I was always curious about these type of comparisons, and now that I've done them, I have a much better understanding of how many of these systems work, and I'm glad that sharing it has been informative for others. Thanks for the suggestions. I haven't ever played with the a7R III, but my next video is very Sony heavy, so be on the look out for that 👍
The camera in your video is an EOS RP, not an EOS R.
That is correct, @philk.268 pointed this out in the comments last year. The gentleman I borrowed it from had no idea, but it is kind of silly that Canon prints the correct name on the body for every camera except this one.
I shoot the aurora at 24fps instead of 30 or 60. 1/24 of a second comparted to 1/60 a second gives you brighter auroras and you can use a lower ISO. I still believe the Sony A7S3 is tops. As you stated many other cameras can do a good job as well. Amazing what our cell phones can do for still images at night. I did test the Sony A1 for video and it surprised me. A7S3 ( still the King)
On one of my other KZread channels that deals with low light scenarios, we always shoot at 24fps and 1/48, but for most social media sites, 30p is treated better during compression, so as a studio policy, I have always tried to stick with that. I have not had the pleasure of the testing out the A1, so that's pretty cool that you did. Great info as well, thanks!
why did you not use a 1,8 ora fast lens? using a 2,8 its a huge mistake
Several of the shots featured in this video were shot at f1.4 and are marked accordingly. It would have been cool to shoot the timelapses with a wider aperture, but I'm still working on getting a wide angle lens that opens up to that width. Someday soon hopefully.
Desmond, great videos in your portfolio. Your narration is "top shelf". Vert natural and easy to listen to. Instant Subscriber!!! Keep up the effort and grow your channel if you have the time. I am certainly looking forward to following you and learning.
Thank you for the compliments! I'm glad the effort is being appreciated.
does the interval matter? does it have to be 1 sec?
It depends on the camera. What you really want is no space at all between shots, but a lot of cameras will already do that if you set it to 1 second, if the exposure time is longer than that.
@@DesmondButler so for instance I have my exposure set for 10 seconds, if I turn on interval shooting, it’ll just set the interval to 1? I’m shooting on a a73
@@Attck. You should be able to follow a similar process to what is shown with the a7R IV at 1:45 in this video. Set the seconds low (1 is best) so that the process will go more quickly, and set the number of images as high as you'd like your timelapse length to be.
The Canon 6D is still a brilliant low-light camera even today. It still continues to punch well above its weight with regard to light capture and low noise!
Totally agree
very cool comparison. Can you do one with Canon R5c vs sony a7rv?
I'll see if I can get my hands on one. Thanks for the suggestion.
You might want to change/randomize the test images' left to right order. T3i, 6d always start from the left...
I see what you mean. I guess I've been a little too OCD with the order. Doing what you suggest might make it more of a guess for viewers. I might have to consider trying that on my next broad test. Thanks for the suggestion.
It would be great to see a comparison with the R6 mkII for video.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll try to get my hands on one.
r6 II is a monster in night photo, not in video mode
i just taken a sony s2 yes s2 is better of s3 in night mode
@@maxru5591 but it must be at least as good as the R6 mk 1, right? I have the R6 mk 1 and it does pretty well also with film at night.
@@MartinFransson i think its much better with more red sensitivity I shoot at 12,800 with no noise in the next days i hope to post a timelapse in kitt peak
I think I finally understand how ISO works. Thanks
Glad it helped!
What you think you know vs what other people know 🤯. Nice video
I've seen a lot of folks crapping on the Sony A7R V for some reason - too much noise or something like that. But, your images look pretty good to me. Basically, I'm looking at getting an all purpose camera (hobby). It's a stretch to spend nearly $4k on a camera so I'm also considering the A7CR or A7C II - as long as I'm comfortable with the grip. When I travel, I'll probably opt for the cheaper/lighter lenses anyway and I'll have it on a tripod for any big guns. I've been a photo bug since the early 2000s with the Canon 20D being my first dSLR - but I'm new to astro.
Welcome to the club! People think I'm crazy for leaving the full frame cameras behind when I travel and instead opting for the Sony APS-C, but like you, I prefer to travel light, and as you mentioned, the smaller lenses certainly would be cheaper to replace if they got damaged in transit. That being said, the a7R V is an incredible choice when you just gotta have those deep details. If you check back later this month, I just tested a camera that may give the a7R a run for its money. Videos on that coming soon.
But... f3.5 on APS-C is not equivalent to f3.5 on full frame...
Crazy!! Nice 🎉
Wow, amazing workflow video! Thanks, really insightful! 🎉 Straight to the point 🤌🏻
Thanks for checking it out!
Thank you so much for this video, it was really helpful!
I'm happy to hear that. Thanks for watching!
I just created a 3-D printed housing to act as a filter where the solar sheet can be sandwiched inside it, then just added it to my 500 mm camera lens even slightly better quality, pretty cool
I like the ingenuity.
bro can u recommend a camera for around $650 that is good for astrography as a beginner
If your budget is $650 for body and lens, you might have to go with an older DSLR to start. You'll find a lot of people in my comments sections who swear by the Canon 6D, which you can get for around $350 on the used market. I'd pair it with the lens you see in this video, the Rokinon 14mm f/2.8, which only costs around $280 used. But if that was your budget for just the camera, I'd definitely go with something mirrorless. I haven't tested it myself, but from what I've seen, the Sony a7II is a pretty great full frame camera for low light shooting, and can be found used for around $630.
I always prefer lightroom for my workflow but thanks for sharing this information i will try bridge. Appreciate your efforts
Lightroom is definitely the more popular program these days. Thanks for watching!
According to DXOMark, the best low light Sony Alpha is the Sony a7iii (3730), while the Sony a7rv (3187) is actually much better than the Sony a7siii (2520), and second best is the very old Sony a7s (3702). Thank you for this video. It was very informative and very well presented. Personally, I have the Sony a7s and a7r ii … and I just love my Sony a7r ii for Milky Way photography : )
Hi, newby here. I tried using my RV for astro last night and found that if I set my 24mm f1.4 at 20sec and high iso the whole scene whited out. Shortening the exposure meant it was more light a nightscope I could see so much of the scenery. Photopills does warn that the 500 rule may not work with newer sensors but your setting do work whereas mine didn't. It was so bright there was no way I could see the stars let alone focus. Any idea why? All help appreciated.
I actually think you're doing exactly what you need to do to get great shots with your camera. My first few night outings were full of unusable shots. Its not just learning the science, its also getting to know your camera and your lenses. So my advice is to keep experimenting, but based on what you're saying, there are a couple things you might start with. I have referred to ISO in my videos as if it is a uniform setting, but we are finding out that it really isn't. For some of the award winning shots that were captured with my Sony a6500, I was actually using 2000 and even sometimes 1600 ISO. That is definitely worth a try in your case. Try a whole bunch of settings. See what you like while you're there, but also take some extras to test in editing later. What you may discover is that your specific camera does really well at one particular ISO when weather and atmospheric seeing are at a certain condition. Second, I like that you're trying out 20 second shots, but also give 10 second shots a try, and anything in between. The main idea here is experimentation, and like I said, I think you're already on the right track. Let me know how it goes!
2:36 what a beautiful shot!
I love and use a modded 6d for astro. However I wish it was iso invariant. With the 6d you really need to nail the exposure in camera. Other than that it is great. I am looking at the Sony a7r5 and this video helped. I also shoot with nikon z7ii and zf and want to test the zf out for astro because it is suppose to be a beast. But I really want one camera that can do it all well. and that is looking like the a7r5. thanks for the video
As I was explaining to another prospective Sony photographer this weekend, if you can deal with the large file sizes, it's hard not to be impressed with what the A7RV puts out. Let me know what you find out from testing the ZF!
I will let you know for sure! I am hoping it does really well. Although it is nice to have extra resolution and detail with the z7ii@@DesmondButler
something wrong with the R6 mounting. I own an R6 and 6D "astromodified" and the R6 is far superior. I'm not trying to be critical but the stars show something is wrong with either the r6 mounting, or maybe IBIS was switched on? seems to have bad astigmatism
The real issue was the servos on the telescope mount. It was hard to get a clean shot with any of these cameras, so I sometimes just went with the cleanest. Its very possible you're just noticing a slight nudge on one example over another, and I'll take the fault for that. I did do a later comparison of these cameras shooting the Milky Way on tripod: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZoOqtNCfgtzRp6w.htmlsi=PcjtY6IVmAu86mrT
@@DesmondButler ah mount error. Yeah thought of that after. Please don’t think of that as a negative comment “Altough I’m a little defensive of my R6 and 6D” it’s a great informative video. Maybe an eq mount later down the road with a wider FOV scope. I use an inexpensive star adventurer and either a Samyang 135mm or a Sharpstar on my travels and it offers great bang for the buck. My Orion RC 8” is on a big heavy EQ6-r in the garden and I wouldn’t dream of lugging that about. At the longer focal lengths even the slightest errors shows up big time
@@carlgough7839 Good suggestions. I really should give some better setups a try. I might even be able to rent something that would work.
Very nice video! I got a doubt: have you ever used a Sony a7R III? If that's so, is it almost the same in work as the a7R V? I got to know that a7R III even have corrected the star eater problem
I apologize, but I've never had the opportunity to use the A7R III. I have done a lot of shoots with the A7R IV and the A7R V though, and the high pixel count has been a huge factor for high detail imaging. I know the III only has 42MP compared to the 61MP on the IV and V, but honestly that's still a lot, and star eating really only comes into play if you activate the in-body noise reduction features. You'd probably get some great shots with the III if you had access to one.
@@DesmondButler Thank you so much for answering
excellent video!!! What is it called or where can I get the filter for the modified camera so I can take photos in daylight?
Important question, but the answer will vary. Depending on the type of astromod you have done on your camera, there are a number of what are called "in-body filters" or "clip-filters" that can be purchased to work in place of the coatings that were removed from your camera's sensor for the modification. For the EOS RP used in my videos, I believe this is the filter shown: www.astrogear.net/products/astronomik-owb-type-3-clip-filter-eos-r-xl
I prefer the canon 6d given how cheap you can pick one of these up.
So you've become a sony guy huh? ;)
Born this way 😎 JK. I try hard to be objective in these videos, but I feel like the results speak for themselves. Hard to beat the low-light performance on their backlit mirrorless sensors.
Thanks for showing the A7RV - SURPRISED!! I have both the A7RV and A7SM3 as well as A7S and A7SM2 and A7RM2. I have been doing Astro MW since '15 and started with the A7S then went A7SM2 and A7R2 '17 But was very surprised with the A7RM2 at the Grand Canyon getting the deep dark canyon as well as star filled sky. The reason to keep the Mod 1 and 2's is the on camera apps like the "Digital Filter" lets you get sky over bright skies areas.
Check out Alyn Wallace on the 6D it has won so many astrophotography comps and been responsible for so many entries it stands way above any other camera. Much to the ire of Sony. 🤩🔭✨
The 6D still gets a lot of love, and its easy to see why. In many cases, it will be subjective though. I've lost some competitions to photos I didn't particularly admire, and I've been surprised to have won other times when I didn't think I was going to. That's why I always ask the viewers to tell me which of the test images they liked best. That said, if I was on my way to attempt to photograph my next award winning shot, based on all my many test sessions, I would be carrying the Sony A7RV, without question.
first time watching your page, great test video love what you doing with the camera shootout, also I'm looking for purchase a DSLR for Astrophotography and have taken astro pictures with my cell for a few years now off & on, Now I'm looking for commit to a real setup other then my dobsonian & a cell phone. I do have a T3i with a shutter count of only 203 & a T5i shutter count of 843 both very low & almost new. I was thinking of getting a better newer Canon weather-sealed camera body, I would jump on a Canon 6D if the price was right and in excellent to mind condition, but locally everyone I've seen is fair to good condition and the price is still too high at over $600. any other newer Canon Non R models I should consider crop or full frame? fyi that Rokinon lens is on my hit list... The Sony a7RV picture is amazing, Now I see why people are moving to Sony.
Glad you're enjoying the videos! It can be pretty impressive what you can capture with new smartphone cameras today. If you were wanting to move up from what you had but still stay on a very tight budget, I'd most likely recommend getting a second-hand Sony a7II. Its a full frame mirrorless camera that sits in the middle of each of the Alpha line variants, and its pretty popular in the astrophotography community. I'm seeing them available on Adorama for $495 for just the camera body, but you can find some with a lens bundled in for pretty cheap as well. No matter what direction you go with, I'd definitely push you toward mirrorless cameras. DSLR isn't dead, but the benefits of mirrorless are just too great to pass up anymore. I hear that Pentax and Nikon have some good mirrorless night shooters, but I haven't tested any yet. I like Canon for a lot of things, but as you'll see from my testing, their mirrorless cameras are definitely behind the rest when it comes to low light, which is the main reason I seem to always be recommending Sony cameras. They just do night shots exceptionally well.
@@DesmondButler would I need to get the Sony a7II modified for H-alpha or just use it stock? Also second question, if I stay with Canon DSLR and can't find the 6D I'm looking for, What would be two Canon model / options I should look at that would get me the results of the 6D as to low noise? So you understand I'm not located in the USA so Adorama wouldn't be a place I would normally shop at.
@@CountDorkula Greetings to you, wherever you are writing from. I try not to assume since a lot of the commenters on this channel are not from the states, but when talking about price, I'm unfortunately only familiar with the online shops I've used here. Sorry about that. As far as I know, the only Canon DSLR options that would match or exceed the low light performance of the 6D are going to be noticeably more expensive. The only one I know of that comes close is the EOS 5D Mark IV, and it still sells for over a grand used.
The 6D is the better one looks more natural, the a7rv pic just looks photo shopped it's a night pic but looks like a cheap ass low budget african film with a sweet rapper on the lens for a filter
Wow , what’s an Astro mod? That sounds intriguing? I have r6 canon II… is it a software add or hardware? I’m not getting much with my setup at the moment… I have only used canon 24-105mm RF
Hey Mr Christianson, I think I remember you trying to learn more about this almost a year ago. I tried to explain this briefly in the video at about the 2:33 mark, but you can also learn more about it in depth here: www.spencerscamera.com/astro-conversions.cfm
I have a Canon 6D Mk1 and its such a great camera for astro. I think its the pixel size that makes it so good, a whopping 6.54.
I have the Canon 60Da and EOS Ra. I get great modified Ha photos with both. I use a Williams Obtics Redcat 51 telescope with my cameras. No aberrations at all, and flat field. ❤
That looks like a pretty nice astrophotography scope. This video was about shooting wide for Milky Way, but I also did a comparison of nebula shots using a telescope: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rI6Gxc2giqrMk8Y.htmlsi=Tc97Xe7fquSrLmeO Though I'm thinking your scope is probably better for photography than what I used 😅
It would be nice to do a comparison of newest Sony lineup: a74, a7rv, a9iii, a7c, a7siii. Thank you! I really want to get into astrophotography.
I would LOVE to do a shoot like this. If only my channel was on Sony's radar 😅
The Canon T3i is the easiest to Astro modify and it also has a very small cropped in video mode that’s good for planetary. You can also pick up a used body in good condition for $100 to $150.
They're extremely inexpensive and very common, so always worth a mention. Do you own one that has been astro-modded?
lower the iso to 3200 or 1600 you will get better result
Yes, you should always experiment with ISO. It really is not an objective metric, and I'm not sure if it ever was. With the T3i, you really won't get much data at 3200, but you also get way too much noise at 6400. I will say, though, that the cameras in the a7 line do just fine at 6400, so it really just depends. Always try multiple settings 👍
Nice Video! 👏
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it 😊
I would really like to get into astrophotography. I am a beginner photographer and I still have my Canon 600D which I bought in 2012. Should I keep going with that? If so, what kit should I buy for it? I'd like to start with capturing planets in our solar system, the moon, galaxies and nebula. So a bit of everything. I still only have the standard kit lens and I might still have my tripod and intervalometer from when I tried capturing star trails once. I am reading about Skywatchers and Celestrons and EQ mounts and all kinds of stuff I don't have much of a clue about 😅I have a budget to buy some more kit though if I know what I am buying. Would be grateful for any advice. I am open to astromodifying my 600D (if it's recommended to stick with it), but I don't know how.
The 600D is the same model featured in this video as the T3i. I did a lot of astrophotography on that camera before moving on, but it was well worth it to upgrade. If you were just getting started, I'd say keep playing around with what you have until the shortcomings drive you to want something better, but if you've already done some Milky Way and you're serious about trying out nebulae and planetary imaging, it would be time to upgrade. In both of those cases you'll need either a star tracking mount with a telephoto lens, or an autotracking telescope with a T-ring adapter. I talk about this a little bit in my Eagle Nebula Shootout video from this year. The 600D is, for the most part, going to be too noisy and too low resolution for those categories. But that doesn't mean you'll have to break the bank. A secondhand mirrorless camera, even at the APS-C size, will give you a huge leap in noise control, and will likely bring 4K video to the table, which is necessary for good planetary imaging. I went to the Sony a6500 after the 600D and loved it (still do), which you can get for under $500 in the used market right now. But there are lots of other great options out there too.
I was on the fence about upgrading from a7riii to the a7rV. I do both landscape and astro but was afraid of the higher megapixel for astro.
I do a lot of detail stacking and timelapses, and the file sizes with the a7RV are definitely a legitimate concern, not just for storage space but also required processing power. That's a major reason why I still default to the a6500 for a lot of quick projects. I'd say if you love what you're getting out of the a7RIII, stick with it. The two reasons I would give for the upgrade to the V are that I do actually find that the greater pixel count significantly aids detail stacking, and that the 8K video is a huge boost for anyone using the "lucky imaging" technique for planetary stacking.
I have the Samyang 12mm for my Fujifilm cameras and the 14mm for my full frame Stoney cameras. They are great for Milky Way and meteor shower photos.
It looks like you've been busy capturing a lot of timelapses with them. Nice 👍
Почему я часто слышу, что R зеленит? Это исправляется как-то?
Вы имеете в виду сони или кэнон? Я не знаю, слышал ли я это раньше.
@@DesmondButler Canon R. Его сравнивали с R6 и R5, у остальных цвета тёплые, но у Canon R они зеленят и это странно. Может это настройка такая.
@@DesmondButler даже у вас на видео Canon R имеет зелёный оттенок цвета. Это убирать можно?
@@user-dl5tt1pf3e Я не заметил, но да, это можно убрать в фотошопе, отрегулировав «баланс белого».
@@DesmondButler у вас на видео, где сравнение 5 камер я вижу, что у R единственного земля зеленая
Was in-body noise reduction used in the test?
No noise reduction was used to capture these raw images. I will sometimes use it for my personal milky way shots depending on the circumstances, but I am aware that many photographers in the community consider this feature to be a "star eater", so these tests are always completed with those features disabled. Thanks for the question.
Sony apsc is insane Old a6000 is somehow still relevant to this day Not in astronomy though but still, af is good for day to day unlike other old cameras
There are definitely some drawbacks and shortcomings with the first one in the series, but you're absolutely right, the auto-focus system was a form factor game-changer.
@@DesmondButler yep Noise in high iso is bad by today's standards And no 4k and bad battery life but still a steal for 300$
As a 6Dmkii and classic 6D shooter, ever year I think that I am going to upgrade to mirrorless and every time I end up sticking with my current bodies. Strictly in terms of ISO strength ( in my humble opinion ) one has to jump up to the R5 or a7Rv to gain a difference worth the money.
My experience can't seem to dispute that. As a professional photographer and videographer, there are advantages outside of astrophotography that made the jump to mirrorless extremely practical, but if we're just talking about night shots, that 6D still makes a solid impression in 2023.
Canon R is not the same as the Canon R1
While I did verbally refer to it once as the R1, none of my labels do. That being said, a "Canon EOS R1" does not exist yet; that is only a rumored model at the present time. Unfortunately for me, I still got it wrong though 😅A little while ago, a keen observer was able to determine that that camera is actually the EOS RP (even though it says EOS R on the body). The person I borrowed it from didn't even know.
@@DesmondButler I can't remember if it was in this video or another video, where you state that one of the APS-C cameras is brighter than the Full Frame. Usually FF cameras are brighter with less noise once you start to crank up the ISO. So if you cranked up the ISO in both cameras, the FF would overall be brighter with more detail than the crop. Have you considered that?
@@rockmusicvideoreviewer896 That's absolutely a valid point, but in short, if we're comparing Canon to Sony, that outcome is very unlikely. There are a lot of reasons why Sony models of any size reproduce more light than Canon, especially at maximum ISO, but rather than diving into that, let's consider the functionality of your suggestion. ISO range definitely expands your flexibility with night shots. But if you go that route, then you have to keep in mind that Canon has not frequently touted multiple native ISO values, while Sony has been focused on this feature for a long time. This would primarily be a conversation about noise rather than image brightness, but it just goes to show how different camera models just don't treat these values the same at all in either regard. Essentially, you're right though, in future comparisons it will be important to demonstrate at which ISO selection a camera model starts to produce noise levels that break down the image usability, while also comparing the amount of light capture. Thanks for mentioning this.
Try the EOS Ra!
I’m still using canon 6d’s and have a full range of EF lenses I use with them. I’ll be honest I love my 6d’s for what they do but am always impressed when I see results from some of the newer mirrorless Sony’s (in particular) but also canon’s. I see mixed reviews of the r6 as an upgrade from the 6d. I mostly shoot Milky Way/Aurora but am Not sure if the extra cost of any mirrorless is warranted really - maybe I’m just being attracted by something newer and shinier?! A point in your video made me curious though - can you adapt ef lenses for Sony bodies? I’m using: Samyang 14mm manual Samyang 14mm AF Tamron 24-70mm f2.8 Sigma 35mm f1.4 art
I hear from a lot of 6D users that they still love what they get out of it for astrophotography, and I think that's great. I do like the R6, but I wouldn't recommend the upgrade to it if astrophotography is your primary. Yes, EF lenses adapt well to mirrorless Sony bodies. I've used some 3D printed adapters, but here's one that would work: www.amazon.com/Fotasy-Manual-Mount-Adapter-NAEF/dp/B003XY8DF4 This adapter only does manual, but there are some that add electronic control for a much higher price.
Thanks Desmond. Interesting. I guess I’ll hold on then. I figured the jump in sensor technology would have been worthwhile and was surprised by how little difference there was in your video. The Sony’s certainly seem to be winning there at the moment. I’ve seen quite a few people move to R5’s for Astro and landscape and while it would be a nice camera to have, I don’t see the “Astro value” in it. Even the modded ones! The 6d always performs well next to my modded 100d (a cheap test purchase to see if modded was worth it), and even against a friend’s Astro modded 6d…
I’ll look into the adapters now as I never realised that was an option. No way could I justify replacing all the lenses, but equally I’d only want to get a Sony if I could use some of the electronic features. I realise it’s of no importance for Astro but I do use the cameras elsewhere with family (hence the samyang 14mm AF!). And I’m pretty sure I’d be gutted if I had to leave a Sony in the bag for those occasions…