I think Nikli saied to her no to bind with any sprenbecause it would lead her to be able to use the dawnshard. And possibly do the same thing that happened on Ashyn...
@finchharper46472 күн бұрын
Stephen King did this with his Dark Tower books.
@slythawyrda2 күн бұрын
comparison to what lok should have been to atla is so on point dude
@prestonc90592 күн бұрын
Imagining being an aspiring cosmere reader watching this video is hilarious, I would've gotten terrified by the sheer amount of books
@meredithbutikofer56583 күн бұрын
I believe that Secret History squarely belongs after the Bands of Morning. I’m also biased because that’s where I read it, (Immediately after finishing the Bands of Morning) soooooooo.
@goatsplitter3 күн бұрын
Id like to compound trellium/bavadinium; because the effects are unknown.
@danehardy18983 күн бұрын
I usually suggest publication order, with Elantris being the exception. Throw that one in once the reader is invested (hah!) in the Cosmere.
@bigdaddye32493 күн бұрын
Just started the Cosmere and finished the Mistborn era one. Was toying with doing secret history now instead of waiting, and this actually convinced me to try that method
@Atnat573 күн бұрын
I personally think Secret History should be after era 1 unless they are already committing to a cosmere re-read, but the argument against that made the most sense to me is that reading Secret History before era 2 makes you think that character is gonna be a way bigger deal than they are, rather than the background player they become
@DonovanGG__3 күн бұрын
And now every character is going to come out as gay/trans/nonbinary with attack helicopter pronouns because you dorks have been harassing tf out of Sanderson on the internet for years. You should be ashamed.
@goatsplitter3 күн бұрын
A bit spoiler.... thanks for clearing up the whole atium/lerasium trace creation if friggin harmony wasn't also going through some kind of split. I'm too smooth brained to figure that out - was thinking somehow that wax had found away around it considering that harmony is still a thing; not that there must be some kind of rift/division in process. This is compounded with Saze or i forget whom seeing another entity with harmony... ruin splitting off? something new? Fun stuff. great book. great video!
@JeffSeaLives3 күн бұрын
I only recently read "Tress...", my first Sanderson work. I thoroughly enjoyed it and want to read more. I may utilize this suggested order. Thanks.
@cerebralrhetoric10133 күн бұрын
This was sad.
@Draugo4 күн бұрын
Distinctively missing at least seven other readings of Warbreaker
@henriksorensen824 күн бұрын
I think that the reading order depends on whether it is the first or second (possibly 3rd, 4th, etc.) time you read Cosmere. Came into the Cosmere universe very late, I started by backing the TWoK leatherbound kickstarter because I thought the book was very beautiful, but then I realized that maybe I should read his books too, so then I went and bought all his Cosmere books which were published at the time. I started with Mistborn Era1 and after that it was Elantris, Warbreaker and then Stormlight, after that I read the rest of the books as soon as they came out. But when I read the series again for the second time, I tried to read it in chronological order (which is not the easiest thing to keep track of) and it's absolutely the best when you read it again, I think, because you've already read it at least once time before so it's nothing new for you, just things that you might not remember completely that become a little clearer and of course everything that you "missed" the first time you read it.
@Sailor_of_the_infinite_sea4 күн бұрын
I did Secret History after Bands on my first read through and I thought it fit fine. However, on my re-read of the entire cosmere I have been reading secret history alongside the original trilogy during the relevant time periods. I found where the breaks were on a Reddit post and it’s been fun jumping back and forth.
@connor_phillipz56894 күн бұрын
I read Secret History for the first time after Bands. As someone who read it the "right" way, I firmly believe it is a much better experience after Era 1. Noone can convince me otherwise.
@symbolguy36094 күн бұрын
The first reason was enough. I remember reading The Book Thief for middle school, and it was exhausting.
@TheSandbox_Official5 күн бұрын
My thoughts on this: Sanderson also says Tress is a “perfect” introduction to the Cosmere, saying if “someone wants to sample his writing style”. However, I think we can all agree that while Tress is a “fine” starting point, it’s infinitely better after someone has read other books such as Elantris. We have to remember that Sanderson is not just an author, but a businessman, and sometimes what’s “intended” or “suggested” isn’t always undoubtedly “best”. However, all that said (for the sake of devil’s advocate i might add), the “publication order” is never wrong!
@ivel29345 күн бұрын
I regret waiting til after bands to read Secret History because I was relatively active in the online communities and got hints of what might be the case, and after I read RoW I pretty much knew the twist everyone whispered about.
@HotshotMama5 күн бұрын
Basically doing this order right now! I hated the idea of going back and forth between worlds for books so finishing stormlight now then doing secret projects
@user-km9zn7oy4i5 күн бұрын
Never has there been a more over rated and over hyped author than Brandon Sanderson. I say that a large percentage of the hype is pure propaganda and gas lighting. He is not all he is cracked up to be. He is OK. Just that - OK.
@1AmGroot5 күн бұрын
My first Cosmere book was Stormlight 1 and I absolutely loved it. Heard about it from a D&D channel of all places and it literally changed my life and got me back into reading after a long while
@rayseodium5 күн бұрын
Oh my gosh - that order would be terrible.
@youtubeaccounter59005 күн бұрын
Posting it here so that my reply to that other comment won't be buried. Reading it after hero of Ages the emotions hit me raw, and it gave me closure and answered lot of questions, and explained so many helpful things, and helped me get started on my Cosmere journey. Reading it after Bands just for a very lame reveal which was already spoilt some what in the previous books feels so much more worse. I think objectively it should be read immediately after hero of ages for the best experience. 8 out of 10 people I have spoken to say that it is better after hero of Ages. Unless you are reading only the Mistborn books, back to back within two or three months without taking any breaks, it will be too long, for the maximum emotional impact. Again 80% but it is still the majority. The excuse that it should be read after bands because Brandon said so does not work because, that was during the earlier days of the Cosmere, almost A decade ago. Things have changed so much. And if you remove that one single mystery in bands, then there is literally no reason to wait until that book. However there are multiple reasons to read it immediately after hero of Ages.
@ApoMelon4 күн бұрын
Agreed. I only recommend reading secret history after bands of mourning if you’re like me where I binge-read every cosmere book back to back in Easter egg order while taking notes, highlights, and annotations in the kindle, and watching reviews of books, and reviewing summaries of previously read books, then sure, I’ll still remember the events of hero of ages well enough to the point where secret history hits hard (I read secret history four months after finishing hero of ages). If you’re a normal person, then yes read secret history after hero of ages.
@DanielSClouser5 күн бұрын
The main thing w/ Secret History is that it depends on how an individual reader reacts to Era 2. If they're like, "Oh, cool! I love this change in direction," then they should definitely stick with what Sanderson intended. If, however, they are really reacting poorly to Alloy, then I would recommend stopping and reading Secret History. In many cases, Secret History will provide the deeper context, etc., that they need to get into Era 2. I think you can't go wrong mostly sticking with publication order, but I certainly understand the desire to not have to switch back and forth between series with every book you read. Even so, there is an interplay between Stormlight and Mistborn that you will miss if you don't do it a little. Mainly, it would be wise to read Secret history before Rhythm of War (or even Oathbringer), and it would also be best to read RoW before The Lost Metal. There are a number of ways that you can shuffle the series to accomplish that without constantly flip-flopping between them.
@mndrew15 күн бұрын
In the immortal words of this worlds greatest bards (Whom also might just be giants) "You're not the boss of me."
@snowdrop98105 күн бұрын
My current order is: entire stormlight, then warbreaker, then mistborn, then stormlight, then some secret projects, then elantris, then novellas, then stormlight then repeat.
@starmoalitiny5 күн бұрын
Came to fight, ended up subscribing😂😂😂
@curiousdaniel785 күн бұрын
Niceee
@kylewilliams33225 күн бұрын
Anyone who thinks secret history should be read before bands of mourning is wrong and they should reevaluate their life choices. Not only are they wrong, but also vile and immoral. My preferred reading order is clearly the best. I am of course (mostly) joking.
@youtubeaccounter59005 күн бұрын
Reading it after hero of Ages the emotions hit me raw, and it gave me closure and answered lot of questions, and explained so many helpful things, and helped me get started on my Cosmere journey. Reading it after Bands just for a very lame reveal which was already spoilt some what in the previous books feels so much more worse. I think objectively it should be read immediately after hero of ages for the best experience. Anybody else is completely wrong. And I am not joking.
@kylewilliams33225 күн бұрын
@@youtubeaccounter5900 TIL brandon sanderson is wrong about his own book reading order.
@youtubeaccounter59005 күн бұрын
@@kylewilliams3322 when secret history was released it was ok to read it after Bands and not read it after the Trilogy. And that was when Brandon said, you have to read it after bands. But after that Brandon has never told that he still refers the same reading order for Secret history after all these years. So at the time he was correct, but if he currently still thinks the same then he is wrong.
@thesanderlanche66485 күн бұрын
Warbreaker is more of a mystery novel than the various Mistborn books where they’re having to solve mysteries? Not sure I can get onboard with that statement. Good video though!
@robertoleary54705 күн бұрын
I did read way of kings first though I thought Mistborn would have been a better place to start
@insertname53715 күн бұрын
Secret history as a story independent of reading order concerns works so much better after era 1. You are much closer to the characters and can feel the flow of the book more. I’ve noticed a split between those who read it before and after era 2. Those who read it before focus on the actual emotional impact of the story where as after era 2 (and often even Stormlight) its discussion of the more technical matters takes a forefront.
@tannerflowers19945 күн бұрын
I recommend people start with Emperor's Soul. I have yet to see anyone else use that as a starter recommendation
@robertoleary54705 күн бұрын
Or at least made the list
@Alaztyr4 күн бұрын
I absolutely agree with starting with The Emperor's Soul tbh
@RaZziaN15 күн бұрын
That's not true, stormlight will be 5 books, next 5 books is different era so it's not same stormglight - same as it was in mistborn/final empire series - as stated by Sanderson.
@colethecollector67426 күн бұрын
i went through the sandoverse kinda eraticly 1 the rithmatist 2 elantris 3 emperors soul 4 alcatraz 5 the entire stormlight archive + novelas 6 tress of the emerald sea 7 white sands 8 mistborn era 1 9 wax and wyne 1 currently reading the second as well as snapshot and secret histories yumi is on hold I got really messed up but... 'the most important book is the next one'
@CarlyAndJason6 күн бұрын
Plus whatever book Brandon accidentally writes 🤣 this is great, I think you took the RAFOO and made it even better.
@JoshWithoutLeave6 күн бұрын
Jokes on you, I listen to audio bucks at 2x speed or higher.
@zachspanos4416 күн бұрын
At 4:25 bye mom 😂
@fidato_7 күн бұрын
I read mistborn and elantris, but those books don't explain investiture and shards etc. When do you learn all of this?
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I think Nikli saied to her no to bind with any sprenbecause it would lead her to be able to use the dawnshard. And possibly do the same thing that happened on Ashyn...
Stephen King did this with his Dark Tower books.
comparison to what lok should have been to atla is so on point dude
Imagining being an aspiring cosmere reader watching this video is hilarious, I would've gotten terrified by the sheer amount of books
I believe that Secret History squarely belongs after the Bands of Morning. I’m also biased because that’s where I read it, (Immediately after finishing the Bands of Morning) soooooooo.
Id like to compound trellium/bavadinium; because the effects are unknown.
I usually suggest publication order, with Elantris being the exception. Throw that one in once the reader is invested (hah!) in the Cosmere.
Just started the Cosmere and finished the Mistborn era one. Was toying with doing secret history now instead of waiting, and this actually convinced me to try that method
I personally think Secret History should be after era 1 unless they are already committing to a cosmere re-read, but the argument against that made the most sense to me is that reading Secret History before era 2 makes you think that character is gonna be a way bigger deal than they are, rather than the background player they become
And now every character is going to come out as gay/trans/nonbinary with attack helicopter pronouns because you dorks have been harassing tf out of Sanderson on the internet for years. You should be ashamed.
A bit spoiler.... thanks for clearing up the whole atium/lerasium trace creation if friggin harmony wasn't also going through some kind of split. I'm too smooth brained to figure that out - was thinking somehow that wax had found away around it considering that harmony is still a thing; not that there must be some kind of rift/division in process. This is compounded with Saze or i forget whom seeing another entity with harmony... ruin splitting off? something new? Fun stuff. great book. great video!
I only recently read "Tress...", my first Sanderson work. I thoroughly enjoyed it and want to read more. I may utilize this suggested order. Thanks.
This was sad.
Distinctively missing at least seven other readings of Warbreaker
I think that the reading order depends on whether it is the first or second (possibly 3rd, 4th, etc.) time you read Cosmere. Came into the Cosmere universe very late, I started by backing the TWoK leatherbound kickstarter because I thought the book was very beautiful, but then I realized that maybe I should read his books too, so then I went and bought all his Cosmere books which were published at the time. I started with Mistborn Era1 and after that it was Elantris, Warbreaker and then Stormlight, after that I read the rest of the books as soon as they came out. But when I read the series again for the second time, I tried to read it in chronological order (which is not the easiest thing to keep track of) and it's absolutely the best when you read it again, I think, because you've already read it at least once time before so it's nothing new for you, just things that you might not remember completely that become a little clearer and of course everything that you "missed" the first time you read it.
I did Secret History after Bands on my first read through and I thought it fit fine. However, on my re-read of the entire cosmere I have been reading secret history alongside the original trilogy during the relevant time periods. I found where the breaks were on a Reddit post and it’s been fun jumping back and forth.
I read Secret History for the first time after Bands. As someone who read it the "right" way, I firmly believe it is a much better experience after Era 1. Noone can convince me otherwise.
The first reason was enough. I remember reading The Book Thief for middle school, and it was exhausting.
My thoughts on this: Sanderson also says Tress is a “perfect” introduction to the Cosmere, saying if “someone wants to sample his writing style”. However, I think we can all agree that while Tress is a “fine” starting point, it’s infinitely better after someone has read other books such as Elantris. We have to remember that Sanderson is not just an author, but a businessman, and sometimes what’s “intended” or “suggested” isn’t always undoubtedly “best”. However, all that said (for the sake of devil’s advocate i might add), the “publication order” is never wrong!
I regret waiting til after bands to read Secret History because I was relatively active in the online communities and got hints of what might be the case, and after I read RoW I pretty much knew the twist everyone whispered about.
Basically doing this order right now! I hated the idea of going back and forth between worlds for books so finishing stormlight now then doing secret projects
Never has there been a more over rated and over hyped author than Brandon Sanderson. I say that a large percentage of the hype is pure propaganda and gas lighting. He is not all he is cracked up to be. He is OK. Just that - OK.
My first Cosmere book was Stormlight 1 and I absolutely loved it. Heard about it from a D&D channel of all places and it literally changed my life and got me back into reading after a long while
Oh my gosh - that order would be terrible.
Posting it here so that my reply to that other comment won't be buried. Reading it after hero of Ages the emotions hit me raw, and it gave me closure and answered lot of questions, and explained so many helpful things, and helped me get started on my Cosmere journey. Reading it after Bands just for a very lame reveal which was already spoilt some what in the previous books feels so much more worse. I think objectively it should be read immediately after hero of ages for the best experience. 8 out of 10 people I have spoken to say that it is better after hero of Ages. Unless you are reading only the Mistborn books, back to back within two or three months without taking any breaks, it will be too long, for the maximum emotional impact. Again 80% but it is still the majority. The excuse that it should be read after bands because Brandon said so does not work because, that was during the earlier days of the Cosmere, almost A decade ago. Things have changed so much. And if you remove that one single mystery in bands, then there is literally no reason to wait until that book. However there are multiple reasons to read it immediately after hero of Ages.
Agreed. I only recommend reading secret history after bands of mourning if you’re like me where I binge-read every cosmere book back to back in Easter egg order while taking notes, highlights, and annotations in the kindle, and watching reviews of books, and reviewing summaries of previously read books, then sure, I’ll still remember the events of hero of ages well enough to the point where secret history hits hard (I read secret history four months after finishing hero of ages). If you’re a normal person, then yes read secret history after hero of ages.
The main thing w/ Secret History is that it depends on how an individual reader reacts to Era 2. If they're like, "Oh, cool! I love this change in direction," then they should definitely stick with what Sanderson intended. If, however, they are really reacting poorly to Alloy, then I would recommend stopping and reading Secret History. In many cases, Secret History will provide the deeper context, etc., that they need to get into Era 2. I think you can't go wrong mostly sticking with publication order, but I certainly understand the desire to not have to switch back and forth between series with every book you read. Even so, there is an interplay between Stormlight and Mistborn that you will miss if you don't do it a little. Mainly, it would be wise to read Secret history before Rhythm of War (or even Oathbringer), and it would also be best to read RoW before The Lost Metal. There are a number of ways that you can shuffle the series to accomplish that without constantly flip-flopping between them.
In the immortal words of this worlds greatest bards (Whom also might just be giants) "You're not the boss of me."
My current order is: entire stormlight, then warbreaker, then mistborn, then stormlight, then some secret projects, then elantris, then novellas, then stormlight then repeat.
Came to fight, ended up subscribing😂😂😂
Niceee
Anyone who thinks secret history should be read before bands of mourning is wrong and they should reevaluate their life choices. Not only are they wrong, but also vile and immoral. My preferred reading order is clearly the best. I am of course (mostly) joking.
Reading it after hero of Ages the emotions hit me raw, and it gave me closure and answered lot of questions, and explained so many helpful things, and helped me get started on my Cosmere journey. Reading it after Bands just for a very lame reveal which was already spoilt some what in the previous books feels so much more worse. I think objectively it should be read immediately after hero of ages for the best experience. Anybody else is completely wrong. And I am not joking.
@@youtubeaccounter5900 TIL brandon sanderson is wrong about his own book reading order.
@@kylewilliams3322 when secret history was released it was ok to read it after Bands and not read it after the Trilogy. And that was when Brandon said, you have to read it after bands. But after that Brandon has never told that he still refers the same reading order for Secret history after all these years. So at the time he was correct, but if he currently still thinks the same then he is wrong.
Warbreaker is more of a mystery novel than the various Mistborn books where they’re having to solve mysteries? Not sure I can get onboard with that statement. Good video though!
I did read way of kings first though I thought Mistborn would have been a better place to start
Secret history as a story independent of reading order concerns works so much better after era 1. You are much closer to the characters and can feel the flow of the book more. I’ve noticed a split between those who read it before and after era 2. Those who read it before focus on the actual emotional impact of the story where as after era 2 (and often even Stormlight) its discussion of the more technical matters takes a forefront.
I recommend people start with Emperor's Soul. I have yet to see anyone else use that as a starter recommendation
Or at least made the list
I absolutely agree with starting with The Emperor's Soul tbh
That's not true, stormlight will be 5 books, next 5 books is different era so it's not same stormglight - same as it was in mistborn/final empire series - as stated by Sanderson.
i went through the sandoverse kinda eraticly 1 the rithmatist 2 elantris 3 emperors soul 4 alcatraz 5 the entire stormlight archive + novelas 6 tress of the emerald sea 7 white sands 8 mistborn era 1 9 wax and wyne 1 currently reading the second as well as snapshot and secret histories yumi is on hold I got really messed up but... 'the most important book is the next one'
Plus whatever book Brandon accidentally writes 🤣 this is great, I think you took the RAFOO and made it even better.
Jokes on you, I listen to audio bucks at 2x speed or higher.
At 4:25 bye mom 😂
I read mistborn and elantris, but those books don't explain investiture and shards etc. When do you learn all of this?
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