loved this little series :) especially the little diegetic bits, they were a great thing to fall asleep to
@aditopianКүн бұрын
@@Neltharak well you’ll be glad to know that I do have plans to remake them all from scratch with better audio
@NeltharakКүн бұрын
@@aditopian _yes_
@Shamino13 күн бұрын
"There are Seven emotions: joy, anger, anxiety, adoration, grief, fear, and hate, and if a man does not give way to these he can be called patient." I often think about this Tokugawa Ieyasu quotation when I look at the different principles. Secret Histories, of course, the most powerful of all- as it is history which gives us the language that gives birth to the very ideas and principles we discuss- it is the vessel in which all other principles participate out of. Alexis Kennedy, for my money, is the 21st century Gene Wolfe- he makes interactive literary masterpieces.
@mhmmadaluoll19104 күн бұрын
It is so SO great to revisit this series of lore drives after 100%ing the game. I wish you continue this series because it is honestly fantastic! Anyways I'll go watch the other two videos and hope for more.
@aditopian4 күн бұрын
@@mhmmadaluoll1910 I want to make more of these and also remake these ones with newer better audio, but I’ve kinda got writers block on that front
@moroi33974 күн бұрын
l really want to watch this, but I'm scared I'll get too spoiled ;-; I guess I'll come back after _another_ one hundred hours of playtime.
@aditopian4 күн бұрын
@@moroi3397 spoilers aren’t really something to worry about, this is about the background lore, it shouldn’t affect the game experience too much, tho I understand if you wanna play it safe
@MrSlutzkin4 күн бұрын
heyyy bestieeeeee
@aditopian4 күн бұрын
@@MrSlutzkin heyyyy bestieeeeeee! 🫂
@andrewgraham25465 күн бұрын
I say we flip the whole thing upside down. Pronunciation reform... Hooked on phonics 2.0. Undo the Great Vowel Shift and the Norman invasion. I jest, but perhaps only a smidge.
@aditopian4 күн бұрын
@@andrewgraham2546 are you suggesting we invade France and force them to use English as the language of social prestige until they have a bunch of insane synonyms? Cause I’m 100% on board with that!
@noahmartinez50026 күн бұрын
What if instead of called canvassers you were called fanvassers and you t-posed and spun around real fast and it cooled people down
@noahmartinez50026 күн бұрын
good video btw
@aditopian6 күн бұрын
@@noahmartinez5002 two things: 1. How did I never think of that‽ 2. Thanks 😊
@finlandtrip23606 күн бұрын
Most people do not like being solicited to. It's an inherently uncomfortable situation, no matter how good the cause. People try to avoid you because you are making them uncomfortable. You could view that as dehumanizing or as the nature of the profession. But I don't think it's fair to use your experiences to draw conclusions about broader societal apathy. Were the people running away from what you stood for, or were they just running away from an uncomfortable conversation with a stranger? And I'm sorry about the people who were downright abusive towards you, that shit is never excusable. I was lucky and the worst I ever got was a coked-up soccer mom calling me a cocksucker in an upbeat, friendly sort of way (it was strange). Source: I worked as a part-time canvasser for a political campaign & also ENTIRELY understand why people avoid canvassers
@aditopian6 күн бұрын
@@finlandtrip2360 oh I understand why people avoid canvassers too, but I also think that the lengths people go to often enter the realm of concerning and unhinged. A simple “not today” is far more respectful and appropriate than walking into the street, it’s what I do when I want to avoid canvassers and what I like to hear when I’m canvassing. I should also clarify that I do raise money for a fairly popular organization, especially in SF, I’d just like to avoid saying who for because I’d prefer to remain a generic canvasser in the mind of most people.
@dunadan19956 күн бұрын
Man, stumbling on this channel while frantically searching for Cultist Simulator content has been one of the best things I’ve found on KZread. Awesome presentation and topics. On the topic of canvassers, I’m not sure we have those where I’m from. Well, at least not those funded by the ruling party that is(btw KZread is banned where I’m from, too bad they can’t ban ALL VPN’s), and I’m not willing to support those bootlickers. Interesting that people treat canvassers like beggars or Mormons though. Kinda understandable too, since there’s SO. MANY. SCAMMERS. I get a phone call from a random bastard trying to steal my money like every other day, it’s exhausting, to the point where I kinda can’t deal with people that approach me in earnest anymore. I did have a couple of decent conversations with bank representatives and even some religious dudes handing out Hindu pamphlets, but I’ll be honest, man, sometimes you just can’t muster the energy to talk to people at the end of your work day, which is why I can kinda understand the whole “in a rush” thing. That being said, fuck those people flipping you off and cussing you out for no reason, doing that to people who are just doing their jobs is absolutely despicable and childish behaviour.
@aditopian4 күн бұрын
1. Thanks! I appreciate knowing people are finding my channel and enjoying the stuff I make 😊 2. Yeah, I imagine it’s kind of an American/European thing mostly. I do know that the first face to face canvassers were introduced by Greenpeace in Austria in the 90s, but I don’t know if they’d work quite as well in areas where scammers are a lot better. 3. I completely understand why people say they’re in a rush, I just also think that it’s one of those things that we all do that we should really interrogate. Being honest with ourselves about our motivations is a good way to encourage growth and sympathy, if we replace the idea of being in a rush with recognition that today isn’t the day for us it becomes a lot more manageable to face the possibility of signing up with a canvasser or at least treating them like they aren’t a nuisance.
@AviaryAssassin7 күн бұрын
Have you, once, mentioned the Longs?
@aditopian7 күн бұрын
@@AviaryAssassin I have not yet, it’s a possibility for when I make part 4, but I’m kind of at a loss for what to do going forward and while I’ve had a lot of ideas for other projects CS lore has been a big source of writers block for me. 😔
@wombat97937 күн бұрын
The Wolf Divided haveth 3 natures, He unmaketh, he unmaketh, he unmaketh. This is the line of division. (Hope I got that right)
@NightProductionsOFFICIALHELIX7 күн бұрын
Babe wake up new aditopian video dropped
@aditopian7 күн бұрын
@@NightProductionsOFFICIALHELIX really‽ Thanks for letting me know! Is it good‽
@NightProductionsOFFICIALHELIX7 күн бұрын
Yes
@aditopian7 күн бұрын
@@NightProductionsOFFICIALHELIX oh dang! I’ll have to drop everything and watch it now!
@Yes_im_Water7 күн бұрын
If everyone hits that like and subscribe button maybe I'll be promoted to intern(paid) 🫡
@caffeinatedcat78617 күн бұрын
😂 prop 65 warning. Love it. One thing. I’m kind of an old cat and my eyes/brain are little slow so I have to pause and go back a little to read a few times. Which is fine. lol but maybe just a few more seconds on those transitions would be nice. 🐈
@aditopian7 күн бұрын
@@caffeinatedcat7861 thanks! I’m glad you liked that one, it’s one of my favorite jokes in the video. yeah, trying to find the right amount of time for the things to be on screen for each gag is a process for me in part because I already know what they say. This time is much better than in my other videos because I had a friend sit down and watch it, but it’s definitely something I need to work on.
@caffeinatedcat78617 күн бұрын
Ok you’ve inspired me. I’m going to stop and listen to at least one canvasser this month while I’m out and about in the city, especially if the weather sucks. Thanks for the great vid! ❤🎉😂.
@aditopian7 күн бұрын
@@caffeinatedcat7861 please do! 🙏 show the world that you’re better than the average person! It can be a great job but it can be so miserable at times.
@caffeinatedcat78617 күн бұрын
Love your vids and your story towards a pragmatic perspective on prescriptiveness. I think this advice applies to all best practices. The best best practices tend to become self evident with time.
@MalMal3_577 күн бұрын
Beautiful, informative, persuasive, and overall, probably one of your best videos to date (and certainly your most important) ((with perhaps the exception of Saturnalia)). You astound me once again. I am proud to say I am not in a rush, nor am I late for anything. Fabulously done, incredible.
@aditopian7 күн бұрын
@@MalMal3_57 lol, thank you very much, I spent a lot of time working on it, so I’m very proud of it! Though when it comes to saturnalia, I have plans to re-record that with a new mic so make it all the better.
@alexandersen19877 күн бұрын
Why the channel thumbnail change?
@aditopian7 күн бұрын
@@alexandersen1987 I’ve been thinking on updating it for a while, while I love Asturias and it remains my PFP on discord and a few other sites, I wasn’t sure it was the best option for my channel in the long run so I figured I’d try something new
@alexandersen19875 күн бұрын
@@aditopian fair enough
@alexandersen19877 күн бұрын
Adi I will say I work 3 jobs and go to college so when I say I am in a rush I truly am.
@aditopian7 күн бұрын
@@alexandersen1987 some people truly are in a rush
@alexandersen19875 күн бұрын
@@aditopian I also try to talk to canvassers when I can.
@aditopian7 күн бұрын
I’m amazed this finally came out after way too long working on it. I’m not the happiest with how it came out, but it’s definitely my best work yet. Im really grateful to the friends who pitched in to act as beta viewers and my friend Mel who made me a wonderful animation to add to the video!
@kauagirao16 күн бұрын
English speakers should invest more in spelling pronunciations, as has already happened with several words in common use, rather than in radical spelling reform.
@aditopian16 күн бұрын
@@kauagirao we do, dictionaries fairly regularly add novel spellings of words to their rosters tho I do think they could do it more often, and that’s what I was arguing for. The issue with that is that it won’t necessarily result in easier or more consistent spelling, and if my typos are anything to go by might result in more double letters popping up.
@douglasphillips587016 күн бұрын
English is so junky though. I'm not saying completely change things, but maybe a bit of consistency might be nice
@aditopian16 күн бұрын
@@douglasphillips5870 you’re not wrong, consistency would be lovely
@Avalk16 күн бұрын
Just make the relation between the spelling and the pronunciation reliable, please. I’m tired of not knowing how to write words I’ve heard and used dozens of times and vice-versa
@aditopian16 күн бұрын
@@Avalk it is a pain we must all bear unfortunately 😔
@guilhermeandradedaveiga560516 күн бұрын
Okay, I admit french would have been incomprehensible even in its written form if a reform was put to place. So old archaic spelling can help someone be understood even for foreigners 🤔
@zeenohaquo797017 күн бұрын
The damage is done
@brettclark802017 күн бұрын
Since when is the t in "soften" silent? It isn't here.
@aditopian17 күн бұрын
@@brettclark8020 so that’s partially an illusion of the conditions of recording, because I’m emphasizing the words an underlying glottal stop does get realized in some of the words, but in actual speech I do genuinely pronounce it as something like /sɑfn̩/. Miriam Webster agrees with me and says it’s pronounced without the t.
@nappeywappey17 күн бұрын
8:02 but that's a thing in almost every european (and probably in ANY) language, and it's not much of a problem. A good spelling reform doesn't mean write using IPA with less weird letters tho, I agree with you in that point.
@CasualConlanger17 күн бұрын
A small note about the French example with peace, pay, pays, etc.: most people I know pronounce 'paie, paient, paies' with a final /j/, so it ends up sounding a lot like English 'pay'. Still a valid example, and there are plenty more just like it. Great video!
@aditopian17 күн бұрын
@@CasualConlanger fair enough, I don’t speak French, so I had to rely on resources which were themselves fallible
@SomethingSpecial.18 күн бұрын
I'm a major supporter of bringing back þ as a letter. It just looks cool plus if we can have a letter that just makes a ks sound (X) we should have one for th, which is a very common sound in English. I also think very minor changes that are universal would be beneficial, like eliminating ph for just f. So fone rather than phone. As far as I know not a single English speaking country pronounces ph not as an F. But also, I think a solution for foreigners learning English or English speaking kids is to take a page from what Japan does to teach kids Kanji. You put the Kanji in bold but then under it is hiragana so they learn to pronounce it. So an example for English could be read = rëd and red = red. Or apple = apple and able = äble
@aditopian17 күн бұрын
@@SomethingSpecial. I’ve talked about that with some others, and I think it’s a good idea to have a system to assist learners like Arabic and Japanese have which might have to be regionally varied, but I think it couldn’t hurt.
@zachlistofficial18 күн бұрын
Have you considered the shavian alphabet? 𐑦𐑐𐑕 𐑡𐑳𐑕𐑑 𐑚𐑧𐑑𐑼
@erisstewart423618 күн бұрын
Why not throw the latin alphabet out all together and use Shavian?
@Wazkaty18 күн бұрын
French native, struggled with writing system as a child but always passionated by language so... That wasn't a problem (for French***). But, I thought it was a problem for the English language. And then, one day (thanks to poetry and poets), I saw it : I had a misconception about the spelling. I had a "French vision" so, I wasn't able to write what I was hearing, I wasn't able to pronounce (with the right phonetic) what I was reading. Eurêka ! After that, English was a new world : if we know the rules, we can apply the right vision. I see now the beauty of this language, I need to improve my skills about it, and I think that , English, by its nature, is beautiful and doesn't "need" a spelling reform. Or if it needs it, a looot of languages need it!! So : I agree. PS: in French we say (with the liaison) as if ut was written "the grant édifice" where "an" is pronounced the same. A part of the French population is using the liaisons, but not all of the French. So, even between us, sometimes, we need an explication, funny ! And it depends of the region, liaisons tend to be slightly different, a nightmare for the foreigners hahaha. Ps2: "Bichęs....", seems to have a "Turkish logic" (yes I exaggerate of course) but in the English language! It's easy to read but weird for now
@Zeppurr18 күн бұрын
Interesting that this appeared on my recommended. Hello.
@ImaginatorJoren18 күн бұрын
I’ve actually been working on a reformed spelling system.
@aditopian18 күн бұрын
@@ImaginatorJoren which variety is is based on?
@ImaginatorJoren18 күн бұрын
@@aditopian I added letters to eliminate digraphs as much as possible. It’s mostly the same as regular English but I borrowed a few letters from Greek and Russian and IPA, and changed some pronunciation rules on the letters. I hope that I can help non-native speakers read English better with my system. Would you like to see it?
@aditopian18 күн бұрын
@@ImaginatorJoren sure! Feel free to post an example
@ImaginatorJoren17 күн бұрын
@@aditopian try to figure this one out. Wy θʌ pypl ʌv θʌ Ywnayted Steyts, in ordr tw form ʌ mor prfekt ywnyʌn, establix justis, inxur domestik trankwility, provayd for θʌ komon defens, promowt θʌ jenerl welfer, and sekyur θʌ blesings ʌv librty tw aurselvs and aur posterity, dw ordeyn and establix θis Konstitwxn for θʌ Ywnayted Steyts ʌv Ωmerikʌ. And this one: Wʌns ʌ grand dwk in lʌndʌndery Θot hy kud rʌn hiz own grand dʌcy So hy slamd θʌ dor on Kwyn Geyv ful vent tw hiz splyn Naw hy’z left wiθ trilyʌn det treжury
@aditopian17 күн бұрын
@@ImaginatorJoren imma be honest, while I could read those, it took a decent amount of effort to figure some things out. One sound per letter isn’t really necessary, so I advise not using letters from Russian to handle sounds, Greek is already hard enough if you’re not used to it. A few of the words also had inconsistent spelling, the <o> in common has two different pronunciations for me. The same is true for <w>. You spelled the first vowel in trankwility different from the vowel in steyts, though I have them as the same. The vowel in perfect is debatably an i and I’d read that word as the verb perfect. The <o> in provide is closer to a schwa for me. While I’d say that it’s a good attempt digraphs and diacritics are honestly a much better way to handle vowels and using w as a consonant and a vowel isn’t really the best solution to the /u/ sound.
@svaira18 күн бұрын
Also, one other reasons it wouldn't work is that most people don't want it. I can tell from my experience that the German spelling referms weren't recieved well. In Germany - the country which is most deferent to bureaucracy, especially with things like spelling! How much worse will it be in the "land of the free" where people destroy their own property for pointless protests! The only thing I would expect is 4826 different spellings for each word, with the high probability of including as many swears as possible, or the use of wink emojis for punctuation. It would be a sight to see, but I don't think it would help anyone learn the language xD
@aditopian4 күн бұрын
That’s one of the other big risks I want to include when I remake this video but better. Just because people are told about the reform doesn’t mean they’ll use it or like it and that’s a serious risk.
@Friday.S18 күн бұрын
I think a spelling reform would be far more useful to non-natives (who learn the spoken language at the same time at which they learn the written language) than it would be for natives (who already know how to speak when they learn how to write).
@aditopian18 күн бұрын
@@Friday.S that’s certainly true, and proposals have been made for that, though such a thing would have to be specific to the communities in question. I advocate for something like what Arabic has for vowels where you have special markings, but you’re not expected to have to rely on those after a certain point and they’re mostly intended for learners and children
@georgerussell294718 күн бұрын
I'm interested in your reasoning for needing to pick a standard to make a spelling reform. Could you not just spell things according to their pronunciation in middle english and use diacritics for some of the weird sound changes. I.E use diaphonemes
@aditopian4 күн бұрын
So while you can do that, the issue is that Middle English was spoken hundreds of years ago and things have drifted a lot since then. Arguably such a reform might result in more unnecessary letters or unusual spellings. Part of the reason for a spelling reform is to bring the spelling in line with modern pronunciation in some way shape or form. If we base things off of Middle English that just kicks the can down the road, we’d need a new reformation in a few hundred years again, and arguably the new form would make limited sense to anyone because of all the changes since Middle English.
@Bourbonismbeta18 күн бұрын
No, no, no, what we need is a spelling deform. I'm tired of those proscriptivists at Webster putting squiggly red lines under my words. Just spell stuff how you want to, to hell with the consequences.
@aditopian4 күн бұрын
Linguistic anarchy! Let’s goooooooooooo!
@nealjroberts405018 күн бұрын
A full reform is nearly impossible as you say and mostly unnecessary. Minor changes such as the odd diacritic for unusual stress or sounds and readding Eth/Thorn would be my recommendation.
@aditopian18 күн бұрын
@@nealjroberts4050 I’m not even opposed to a large scale overhaul of the system, I just think it would never be feasible or effective in its goals
@m4rloncha18 күн бұрын
I love this type of videos where people question the bases of a Spelling reform in English or other languages that haven't updated their spelling or way to write for the sake of etimology or any other reason such as laziness. And so... I'm gonna give my personal opinion for each point, that is without being an expert in both, English, and even less in French. So Do mind me if I have errors, I love to learn and to hear different types of opinions in this topic. (I have had to divide this comment into three parts because it was too long, sorry for that). 1) "Writting and Reading". I'll start this topic with something I have in mind and that's that there are two ways of looking at writting in general: The person who writes and the person who readas. We know for sure that the person who writes needs to be efficient at being able to put out the letters or characters from it's hand and the longer and unnecesary the word the more taxing it will be for the writer. Buuuut on the other hand we have the readers. If a word is longer but it gives you enough knowledge to know how to read it then it will be faster and not if the word is shorter but it doesn't give you any clear rules for how to read it. For example we have Chinese that has characters that can be related to one word or they'll need another character to form a full word. Most characters due to having this less-syllable possibilities issue will need a lot of strokes to be formed and it could be taxing for the hand. Meanwhile cursive writting in other languges like English allows the writer to well, Write without lifting the pen that many times or doing that many strokes for a single word. But as the strokes are much longer than just a single character it makes it harder to recognize what the meaning of a sentence is. With that I mean that if we connect one word to one character and we learn how to read this second type the sentences will be easier to read (Less space and compact) but it will be demanding for the writer. 2) 2:17 "Silent letters are useful at recognizing patterns". Patterns doesn't mean they need to keep the core word to know it comes from it. If you learn that "Light", a noun, after becoming a verb in its past participle version adds "-en" at the end of a word and it removes the "t" while reading then we have a pattern. For example: "Lighen". But that's not even what it's happening in the example you've given. All the words mentioned has that "t" at when they become a past participle such as: "Bright" /ˈbraɪt/ becoming "Brighten" /ˈbraɪ.t̬n/. And you may say "Yeah yeah but then why we have an "e" in middle of "then" for this example?" Well, that is because some accents don't remark what's called "Syllabic consonants" as much as the one I've mentioned. Usually it should be /ˈbraɪ.t̬ən/ but when an /n/ is word-final and it's followed by a schwa (/ə/) it tends to remove that schwa in favor of faster reading. And That's a pattern that works almost every single time for example it happens with this others examples too: Bottle /ˈbɑː.t̬l/, Bottom /ˈbɑː.t̬m/ or Father /ˈfɑ.ðɚ/ (And not /ˈfɑː.ðəɹ/, in other dialects it even removes the /ɹ/ like: /ˈfɑː.ðə/). What I mean by this is... "Centre" and "Center" is a word that was changed due to this same reason. Most words ending in <-tre> were actually pronounced as /təɹ/ and not /tɹə/ so changing how they look doesn't affect at all and the pattern will still be there. Like: Centre -> Center, Metre -> Meter, Theatre -> Theater. But it can also work with other patterns such as "Colour" that aren't pronounced as /ˈkʌloʊɹ/ but as /ˈkʌl.əɹ/. So: Flavour -> Flavor, Savour -> Savor, Glamour -> Glamor. I know I could follow with this patterns... But I think it's clear that all this words were actually pronounced as they were written in past but due to French and the Printed Press not following the latest changes people keept this spellings. 3) 3:01 "Redundant or silent letters are useful to eliminate homophones". That's absolutely true, you have the "Knight / Night" example but I could also add "Hola / Ola" in Spanish or "Pero / Però" in Italian. I do understand that some of this in English were pronounced like it's written but it's useful as nobody would ever say /kˈnaɪt/. And I love your example of "Liaison" because it can happen in English too! Specially in Non-rhotic accents. For example: "The painter acts-", in non-rhotic accents "painter" is pronouned like /ˈpeɪn.tə/ buuut that final /ɹ/ is pronounced when the other word following starts with a vowel like: /ˈpeɪn.tə~ɹ ˈækts/ (I put ~ because even if it's in between the two words it connects motsly with the first word). That's what called in English "Linking R" that says that if a word ends with a vowel and the other starts with another vowel there will be an /ɹ/. It can even be recognized inside of words like: "Drawing" /ˈdrɔː~ɹɪŋ/ because "Draw" ends with a vowel and "-ing" starts with one. The proooblem comes when "Ough" for example where even if this words mostly end with that combination they all make considerable different sounds like: /ʌf/, /ɔ:/, /u:/ and even /ɒk/. And they are Not differentiated between each other as most words. Is it really necessary to keep the French's etimology once again? I don't think so.
@m4rloncha18 күн бұрын
4) 4:47, "Other accents can have features the other doesn't". I like this point but I also don't. For example in Spanish we have "Hierba" and "Yerba". Why does this happen? Well, because the semi-consonant /j/ tends to be pronounced as /ʝ/ when word-initial. Some places use it in one way and other in the other way. Does it make it more difficult? Another example is "Video" and "Vídeo", some people put the stress in the last syllable /bi.ˈdeo/ and others at the beginning /ˈbi.deo/. Does it represent a Big issue when people read or write? No. In English the same thing happens with the letter "Oo" that can be in some cases /ɑː/ or /ɒ/. Such as in : "Lot" and "Hard". In G.A. "Lot" and "Hard" had the phoneme /ɑ/ meanwhile in R.P. they are differentiated like /ɒ/ and /ɑ/. Does that mean it's solved? No really, we also have stuff like "Cloth" /klɒθ/ and /klɔθ/ in different accents too. And as /ɔ/ appears in both accents that means that we cannot simple remove /ɔ/ for the sake of having /ɒ/ instead even if some people don't have it. So in some cases it is clear that having a single phoneme is fine meanwhile in others not. Another example in Spanish, "Casa" and "Caza", in some accents the "z" in "Caza" is pronounced as /s/ (Just like in Casa) but as there are some accents that pronounce "Zz" as /θ/ instead they get differentiated. In Romance languages this difference tends to fall in consonants meanwhile in Germanic languages it is in the vowels as explained in 6:23. And most Germanic languages doesn't have any problem with this as they use this silent letters or Diacritics with strict rules even if they may have way differentiated accents. And yeah... even if people think rhotic and non-rhotic accents are so different in how they pronounce they all can be simplified and most people will understand the rules of homophones pretty easily as much as people have understood or took by "force" those rules that most natives doesn't care about. 5) 5:37 "Limitations in orthography and accents". Yeah... You gotta make changes and of course that means adding or removing letter in convinience and favor of efficient writting and faster reading + removing irregularities to make spelling and spoken words closer so people can learn faster. German for example had a "Recent" orthography reform in 1996 that chagned how some words and mostly consonants are put into the word in a way most people from the old way to write could understand it. And even if that's not the case we have extreme situations like Turkish that changed from the Arabic writting system to Latin's one without much trouble over the years. It is clear that if we want an English reform it has to be in a modified version of Latin, that is having the same letters but modifying them or introducing new but similar-looking letters for some words. The problem doesn't come from "This accent is stronger than this other one" but rather "How can we make people read older texts if we change the spelling?". It has risks and consequenses too. And even if the changes are perfect, they break Everything to make it perfectly suitable for the English languages and everything is solved... People still need to use it and like it so it doesn't fall into the oblivion. It's a long-term loan that takes a lot of time. Even more for people who are learning the English language around the world. Because yeah... Globalization means that most people will learn the English language and use it in different ambits, and changing them takes a lot of Money, Time and Effort. Something most people won't risk for as you said a ""Minor"" problem.
@m4rloncha18 күн бұрын
6) Yeah, the 7:24 example is hilarious, but that's why people will have to choose how different words look like the most appealing and not just what one person likes the most. Btw... "Bitches" even though reducted the final "s" is pronounced like /z/ so it should be <Bichęz>. And I've never seen /aɪ/ being spelled like "uy". But for example if you spell it like "rait" or "rayt" most people will understand it much easier. Also... This "Syllable Reduction" mostly changing non-stressed syllables into /ə/ or /ɪ/ doesn't change the meaning of a word and it cannot be pronounced otherwise. For example "Banana" /bəˈnæn.ə/ or /bəˈnɑː.nə/ will never be something like: /bæˈnæn.æ/ as that's unnatural. What you must care about for example is "Syllable Stress" like "Conduct" /kənˈdʌkt/ and /ˈkɑːn.dʌkt/ depending on the context. And that's important, even though it has the same word "Conduct" it changes depending it's a noun or a verb. And the stress is mostly consistant when it's a noun at the first syllable while the verb in the second syllable. And still they are written the same. Wouldn't it be better if we add something in between so we can easily know when it's a verb or a noun just by looking at it without the context like in Spanish like: "Ejército", "Ejercito" and "Ejercitó". Where you can easily know where it's pronounced and also which type of word it is. And yes, "Word stress" is also a thing. But English speakers have never had any issue with it while reading. Also, there was a time in English where "--" was used to accomodate longer pauses and even more in English mostly in poetry. So for examply in that example we could use something like: "-I didn't stab him", "I didn't -stab him" or "I didn't stab -him" and it's easy to read, type and write but it comes with the issue of "Noise" when it's abundant. So it could just be a "Feature" in some types of texts and that's it. Even " ' " could replace it like "I didn't 'stab him" and most people won't mind that small line before the word. But we would be making up rules that they naturally didn't appear. So it will most likely never appear in real texts. Feeeew! That was long huh? Well, I've finished with this comment. If you have any question leave me know below and if I have any error comment it too! I love to learn and hear everyone's opinion. I'm so sorry for making it so long but I hope I made myself clear and that you learn something that you didn't know before. And that's important, even though it has the same word "Conduct" it changes depending it's a noun or a verb. And the stress is mostly consistant when it's a noun at the first syllable while the verb in the second syllable. And still they are written the same. Wouldn't it be better if we add something in between so we can easily know when it's a verb or a noun just by looking at it without the context like in Spanish like: "Ejército", "Ejercito" and "Ejercitó". Where you can easily know where it's pronounced and also which type of word it is. And yes, "Word stress" is also a thing. But English speakers have never had any issue with it while reading. Also, there was a time in English where "--" was used to accomodate longer pauses and even more in English mostly in poetry. So for examply in that example we could use something like: "-I didn't stab him", "I didn't -stab him" or "I didn't stab -him" and it's easy to read, type and write but it comes with the issue of "Noise" when it's abundant. So it could just be a "Feature" in some types of texts and that's it. Even " ' " could replace it like "I didn't 'stab him" and most people won't mind that small line before the word. But we would be making up rules that they naturally didn't appear. So it will most likely never appear in real texts. Feeeew! That was long huh? Well, I've finished with this comment. If you have any question leave me know below and if I have any error comment it too! I love to learn and hear everyone's opinion. I'm so sorry for making it so long but I hope I made myself clear and that you learn something that you didn't know before.
@BradleyZS18 күн бұрын
When I was working on a phonetic script to act as a shorthand, I considered using a glyph system for common roots and affixes that would preserve meaning and increase the speed of writing. I ultimately didn't do this because I decided if I had to do so then the primary goal of having it being quick to write wasn't being fulfilled; I redesigned the script to just be faster to write in general. A phonetic script for writing is unfeasible because of all the different accents (I have a hard enough time saying the words the same way in my own head), but I do like the idea of a system like the Japanese kanji. The one I had planned would have used an altered form of the initial phonetic character to act as the radical while a series of other symbols (perhaps derived from other radicals and their meanings) conjoin to it.
@golovkaanna875718 күн бұрын
Finnish has perferct letter to sound and sound to letter synchronisation
@HistoryLover0818 күн бұрын
English must not have any spelling reform for its spellings are just fine. That's my opinion.
@aditopian18 күн бұрын
If it ain't broke, don't fix it, that's what I think
@spacemario18 күн бұрын
English doesn't need a reform BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A STROKE READING ANYTHING
@aditopian18 күн бұрын
@@spacemario mood
@rickandrygel91318 күн бұрын
I would like if we changed to "myuzik" Also I think most z sounds should be z's, and most k sounds should be k's
@aditopian18 күн бұрын
I am a casual z enjoyer. I unironically think we should spell laser with a z, scifi words deserve scifi letters.
@RoyalKnightVIII18 күн бұрын
I don't agree at all but I see what you're trying to say. Functionally humans get by with the systems we have. Look at the old Sumerian and akkadian spellings that are wild compared to today's systems. Have you looked into Jamaican patois which is mostly English in nature but spelled as they sound instead of English spelling. The get along fine with phonetic spellings. The ones who don't use them are the ones who denigrate their language and prefer "Good English"
@aditopian18 күн бұрын
@@RoyalKnightVIII oh god, Sumerian and Akkadian are both very good examples of systems that certainly worked. Systems like that really show just how much capacity humans have to learn complex systems. I have not, I’m sorta familiar with it, but it doesn’t exist in my language space all that much. I can look into it tho
@cranmzvg18 күн бұрын
About which variety you could use, you can perfectly make a standard variety that is easily recognizable by all varieties without being too familiar. Spanish have a special standarized variety for academic, formal and even dubing that is understood easily by all the spanish variants and isn't particularly close to neither of them. The transatlantic accent could be a good place to start
@aditopian18 күн бұрын
@@cranmzvg so that sounds like a lovely idea, but it probably wouldn’t work, there exists an incredible diversity of variation in English, and it’s very likely no such variety exists, and such a system might very well have more unusual spelling as a result of that. Even though I’m no stranger to them and eager to listen/understand, some of the rural varieties of English spoken in the UK are actually very hard for me to understand and the compromise between just those two may not be materially possible.
@Doomsword018 күн бұрын
I was really hoping you would circle back to defend/explain the french bird example
@aditopian18 күн бұрын
@@Doomsword0 oh, so there’s a typo there, cause I rush my work and edit these videos at 2am, but basically the word originally had all or most of the letters pronounced (this wasn’t too long ago in the grand scheme of things), and as the language changed things drifted. I’d say that French orthography is certainly very complicated, but I think it gets that ire because it’s cool to shit on the French. No one criticizes languages like Arabic, mandarin, Japanese, or Tibetan, and that’s partially because we don’t actually care about French spelling, we care about making fun of the French. In general, the system works for the community of native speakers, and they get along just fine, so I don’t believe it’s really necessary to force or advocate for change if that’s the case.
@Guaccoon18 күн бұрын
7:58 I don't know if all languages has the same resource of coring a word, but on portuguese language has and it makes the english language be a little bit easier to me, as a non-native speaker
@EresirThe1st18 күн бұрын
May English orthography never, EVER change. I don’t want to disconnect us from the written works of our past, or from the clear etymology embedded in the spelling conventions, or fracture all our dialects by having a different spelling convention for each of them. And then what happens in 50 years when there are more sound changes? There would just be endless changing of spelling. It’s stupid. 5 year olds can learn English spelling, so all the ESLs complaining about it can go kick rocks.
@aditopian18 күн бұрын
@@EresirThe1st to quote the guy who wrote the closing song I used (tho this song is about teaching math, but close enough) 🎵it’s so simple, so very simple, that only a child can do it🎵
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loved this little series :) especially the little diegetic bits, they were a great thing to fall asleep to
@@Neltharak well you’ll be glad to know that I do have plans to remake them all from scratch with better audio
@@aditopian _yes_
"There are Seven emotions: joy, anger, anxiety, adoration, grief, fear, and hate, and if a man does not give way to these he can be called patient." I often think about this Tokugawa Ieyasu quotation when I look at the different principles. Secret Histories, of course, the most powerful of all- as it is history which gives us the language that gives birth to the very ideas and principles we discuss- it is the vessel in which all other principles participate out of. Alexis Kennedy, for my money, is the 21st century Gene Wolfe- he makes interactive literary masterpieces.
It is so SO great to revisit this series of lore drives after 100%ing the game. I wish you continue this series because it is honestly fantastic! Anyways I'll go watch the other two videos and hope for more.
@@mhmmadaluoll1910 I want to make more of these and also remake these ones with newer better audio, but I’ve kinda got writers block on that front
l really want to watch this, but I'm scared I'll get too spoiled ;-; I guess I'll come back after _another_ one hundred hours of playtime.
@@moroi3397 spoilers aren’t really something to worry about, this is about the background lore, it shouldn’t affect the game experience too much, tho I understand if you wanna play it safe
heyyy bestieeeeee
@@MrSlutzkin heyyyy bestieeeeeee! 🫂
I say we flip the whole thing upside down. Pronunciation reform... Hooked on phonics 2.0. Undo the Great Vowel Shift and the Norman invasion. I jest, but perhaps only a smidge.
@@andrewgraham2546 are you suggesting we invade France and force them to use English as the language of social prestige until they have a bunch of insane synonyms? Cause I’m 100% on board with that!
What if instead of called canvassers you were called fanvassers and you t-posed and spun around real fast and it cooled people down
good video btw
@@noahmartinez5002 two things: 1. How did I never think of that‽ 2. Thanks 😊
Most people do not like being solicited to. It's an inherently uncomfortable situation, no matter how good the cause. People try to avoid you because you are making them uncomfortable. You could view that as dehumanizing or as the nature of the profession. But I don't think it's fair to use your experiences to draw conclusions about broader societal apathy. Were the people running away from what you stood for, or were they just running away from an uncomfortable conversation with a stranger? And I'm sorry about the people who were downright abusive towards you, that shit is never excusable. I was lucky and the worst I ever got was a coked-up soccer mom calling me a cocksucker in an upbeat, friendly sort of way (it was strange). Source: I worked as a part-time canvasser for a political campaign & also ENTIRELY understand why people avoid canvassers
@@finlandtrip2360 oh I understand why people avoid canvassers too, but I also think that the lengths people go to often enter the realm of concerning and unhinged. A simple “not today” is far more respectful and appropriate than walking into the street, it’s what I do when I want to avoid canvassers and what I like to hear when I’m canvassing. I should also clarify that I do raise money for a fairly popular organization, especially in SF, I’d just like to avoid saying who for because I’d prefer to remain a generic canvasser in the mind of most people.
Man, stumbling on this channel while frantically searching for Cultist Simulator content has been one of the best things I’ve found on KZread. Awesome presentation and topics. On the topic of canvassers, I’m not sure we have those where I’m from. Well, at least not those funded by the ruling party that is(btw KZread is banned where I’m from, too bad they can’t ban ALL VPN’s), and I’m not willing to support those bootlickers. Interesting that people treat canvassers like beggars or Mormons though. Kinda understandable too, since there’s SO. MANY. SCAMMERS. I get a phone call from a random bastard trying to steal my money like every other day, it’s exhausting, to the point where I kinda can’t deal with people that approach me in earnest anymore. I did have a couple of decent conversations with bank representatives and even some religious dudes handing out Hindu pamphlets, but I’ll be honest, man, sometimes you just can’t muster the energy to talk to people at the end of your work day, which is why I can kinda understand the whole “in a rush” thing. That being said, fuck those people flipping you off and cussing you out for no reason, doing that to people who are just doing their jobs is absolutely despicable and childish behaviour.
1. Thanks! I appreciate knowing people are finding my channel and enjoying the stuff I make 😊 2. Yeah, I imagine it’s kind of an American/European thing mostly. I do know that the first face to face canvassers were introduced by Greenpeace in Austria in the 90s, but I don’t know if they’d work quite as well in areas where scammers are a lot better. 3. I completely understand why people say they’re in a rush, I just also think that it’s one of those things that we all do that we should really interrogate. Being honest with ourselves about our motivations is a good way to encourage growth and sympathy, if we replace the idea of being in a rush with recognition that today isn’t the day for us it becomes a lot more manageable to face the possibility of signing up with a canvasser or at least treating them like they aren’t a nuisance.
Have you, once, mentioned the Longs?
@@AviaryAssassin I have not yet, it’s a possibility for when I make part 4, but I’m kind of at a loss for what to do going forward and while I’ve had a lot of ideas for other projects CS lore has been a big source of writers block for me. 😔
The Wolf Divided haveth 3 natures, He unmaketh, he unmaketh, he unmaketh. This is the line of division. (Hope I got that right)
Babe wake up new aditopian video dropped
@@NightProductionsOFFICIALHELIX really‽ Thanks for letting me know! Is it good‽
Yes
@@NightProductionsOFFICIALHELIX oh dang! I’ll have to drop everything and watch it now!
If everyone hits that like and subscribe button maybe I'll be promoted to intern(paid) 🫡
😂 prop 65 warning. Love it. One thing. I’m kind of an old cat and my eyes/brain are little slow so I have to pause and go back a little to read a few times. Which is fine. lol but maybe just a few more seconds on those transitions would be nice. 🐈
@@caffeinatedcat7861 thanks! I’m glad you liked that one, it’s one of my favorite jokes in the video. yeah, trying to find the right amount of time for the things to be on screen for each gag is a process for me in part because I already know what they say. This time is much better than in my other videos because I had a friend sit down and watch it, but it’s definitely something I need to work on.
Ok you’ve inspired me. I’m going to stop and listen to at least one canvasser this month while I’m out and about in the city, especially if the weather sucks. Thanks for the great vid! ❤🎉😂.
@@caffeinatedcat7861 please do! 🙏 show the world that you’re better than the average person! It can be a great job but it can be so miserable at times.
Love your vids and your story towards a pragmatic perspective on prescriptiveness. I think this advice applies to all best practices. The best best practices tend to become self evident with time.
Beautiful, informative, persuasive, and overall, probably one of your best videos to date (and certainly your most important) ((with perhaps the exception of Saturnalia)). You astound me once again. I am proud to say I am not in a rush, nor am I late for anything. Fabulously done, incredible.
@@MalMal3_57 lol, thank you very much, I spent a lot of time working on it, so I’m very proud of it! Though when it comes to saturnalia, I have plans to re-record that with a new mic so make it all the better.
Why the channel thumbnail change?
@@alexandersen1987 I’ve been thinking on updating it for a while, while I love Asturias and it remains my PFP on discord and a few other sites, I wasn’t sure it was the best option for my channel in the long run so I figured I’d try something new
@@aditopian fair enough
Adi I will say I work 3 jobs and go to college so when I say I am in a rush I truly am.
@@alexandersen1987 some people truly are in a rush
@@aditopian I also try to talk to canvassers when I can.
I’m amazed this finally came out after way too long working on it. I’m not the happiest with how it came out, but it’s definitely my best work yet. Im really grateful to the friends who pitched in to act as beta viewers and my friend Mel who made me a wonderful animation to add to the video!
English speakers should invest more in spelling pronunciations, as has already happened with several words in common use, rather than in radical spelling reform.
@@kauagirao we do, dictionaries fairly regularly add novel spellings of words to their rosters tho I do think they could do it more often, and that’s what I was arguing for. The issue with that is that it won’t necessarily result in easier or more consistent spelling, and if my typos are anything to go by might result in more double letters popping up.
English is so junky though. I'm not saying completely change things, but maybe a bit of consistency might be nice
@@douglasphillips5870 you’re not wrong, consistency would be lovely
Just make the relation between the spelling and the pronunciation reliable, please. I’m tired of not knowing how to write words I’ve heard and used dozens of times and vice-versa
@@Avalk it is a pain we must all bear unfortunately 😔
Okay, I admit french would have been incomprehensible even in its written form if a reform was put to place. So old archaic spelling can help someone be understood even for foreigners 🤔
The damage is done
Since when is the t in "soften" silent? It isn't here.
@@brettclark8020 so that’s partially an illusion of the conditions of recording, because I’m emphasizing the words an underlying glottal stop does get realized in some of the words, but in actual speech I do genuinely pronounce it as something like /sɑfn̩/. Miriam Webster agrees with me and says it’s pronounced without the t.
8:02 but that's a thing in almost every european (and probably in ANY) language, and it's not much of a problem. A good spelling reform doesn't mean write using IPA with less weird letters tho, I agree with you in that point.
A small note about the French example with peace, pay, pays, etc.: most people I know pronounce 'paie, paient, paies' with a final /j/, so it ends up sounding a lot like English 'pay'. Still a valid example, and there are plenty more just like it. Great video!
@@CasualConlanger fair enough, I don’t speak French, so I had to rely on resources which were themselves fallible
I'm a major supporter of bringing back þ as a letter. It just looks cool plus if we can have a letter that just makes a ks sound (X) we should have one for th, which is a very common sound in English. I also think very minor changes that are universal would be beneficial, like eliminating ph for just f. So fone rather than phone. As far as I know not a single English speaking country pronounces ph not as an F. But also, I think a solution for foreigners learning English or English speaking kids is to take a page from what Japan does to teach kids Kanji. You put the Kanji in bold but then under it is hiragana so they learn to pronounce it. So an example for English could be read = rëd and red = red. Or apple = apple and able = äble
@@SomethingSpecial. I’ve talked about that with some others, and I think it’s a good idea to have a system to assist learners like Arabic and Japanese have which might have to be regionally varied, but I think it couldn’t hurt.
Have you considered the shavian alphabet? 𐑦𐑐𐑕 𐑡𐑳𐑕𐑑 𐑚𐑧𐑑𐑼
Why not throw the latin alphabet out all together and use Shavian?
French native, struggled with writing system as a child but always passionated by language so... That wasn't a problem (for French***). But, I thought it was a problem for the English language. And then, one day (thanks to poetry and poets), I saw it : I had a misconception about the spelling. I had a "French vision" so, I wasn't able to write what I was hearing, I wasn't able to pronounce (with the right phonetic) what I was reading. Eurêka ! After that, English was a new world : if we know the rules, we can apply the right vision. I see now the beauty of this language, I need to improve my skills about it, and I think that , English, by its nature, is beautiful and doesn't "need" a spelling reform. Or if it needs it, a looot of languages need it!! So : I agree. PS: in French we say (with the liaison) as if ut was written "the grant édifice" where "an" is pronounced the same. A part of the French population is using the liaisons, but not all of the French. So, even between us, sometimes, we need an explication, funny ! And it depends of the region, liaisons tend to be slightly different, a nightmare for the foreigners hahaha. Ps2: "Bichęs....", seems to have a "Turkish logic" (yes I exaggerate of course) but in the English language! It's easy to read but weird for now
Interesting that this appeared on my recommended. Hello.
I’ve actually been working on a reformed spelling system.
@@ImaginatorJoren which variety is is based on?
@@aditopian I added letters to eliminate digraphs as much as possible. It’s mostly the same as regular English but I borrowed a few letters from Greek and Russian and IPA, and changed some pronunciation rules on the letters. I hope that I can help non-native speakers read English better with my system. Would you like to see it?
@@ImaginatorJoren sure! Feel free to post an example
@@aditopian try to figure this one out. Wy θʌ pypl ʌv θʌ Ywnayted Steyts, in ordr tw form ʌ mor prfekt ywnyʌn, establix justis, inxur domestik trankwility, provayd for θʌ komon defens, promowt θʌ jenerl welfer, and sekyur θʌ blesings ʌv librty tw aurselvs and aur posterity, dw ordeyn and establix θis Konstitwxn for θʌ Ywnayted Steyts ʌv Ωmerikʌ. And this one: Wʌns ʌ grand dwk in lʌndʌndery Θot hy kud rʌn hiz own grand dʌcy So hy slamd θʌ dor on Kwyn Geyv ful vent tw hiz splyn Naw hy’z left wiθ trilyʌn det treжury
@@ImaginatorJoren imma be honest, while I could read those, it took a decent amount of effort to figure some things out. One sound per letter isn’t really necessary, so I advise not using letters from Russian to handle sounds, Greek is already hard enough if you’re not used to it. A few of the words also had inconsistent spelling, the <o> in common has two different pronunciations for me. The same is true for <w>. You spelled the first vowel in trankwility different from the vowel in steyts, though I have them as the same. The vowel in perfect is debatably an i and I’d read that word as the verb perfect. The <o> in provide is closer to a schwa for me. While I’d say that it’s a good attempt digraphs and diacritics are honestly a much better way to handle vowels and using w as a consonant and a vowel isn’t really the best solution to the /u/ sound.
Also, one other reasons it wouldn't work is that most people don't want it. I can tell from my experience that the German spelling referms weren't recieved well. In Germany - the country which is most deferent to bureaucracy, especially with things like spelling! How much worse will it be in the "land of the free" where people destroy their own property for pointless protests! The only thing I would expect is 4826 different spellings for each word, with the high probability of including as many swears as possible, or the use of wink emojis for punctuation. It would be a sight to see, but I don't think it would help anyone learn the language xD
That’s one of the other big risks I want to include when I remake this video but better. Just because people are told about the reform doesn’t mean they’ll use it or like it and that’s a serious risk.
I think a spelling reform would be far more useful to non-natives (who learn the spoken language at the same time at which they learn the written language) than it would be for natives (who already know how to speak when they learn how to write).
@@Friday.S that’s certainly true, and proposals have been made for that, though such a thing would have to be specific to the communities in question. I advocate for something like what Arabic has for vowels where you have special markings, but you’re not expected to have to rely on those after a certain point and they’re mostly intended for learners and children
I'm interested in your reasoning for needing to pick a standard to make a spelling reform. Could you not just spell things according to their pronunciation in middle english and use diacritics for some of the weird sound changes. I.E use diaphonemes
So while you can do that, the issue is that Middle English was spoken hundreds of years ago and things have drifted a lot since then. Arguably such a reform might result in more unnecessary letters or unusual spellings. Part of the reason for a spelling reform is to bring the spelling in line with modern pronunciation in some way shape or form. If we base things off of Middle English that just kicks the can down the road, we’d need a new reformation in a few hundred years again, and arguably the new form would make limited sense to anyone because of all the changes since Middle English.
No, no, no, what we need is a spelling deform. I'm tired of those proscriptivists at Webster putting squiggly red lines under my words. Just spell stuff how you want to, to hell with the consequences.
Linguistic anarchy! Let’s goooooooooooo!
A full reform is nearly impossible as you say and mostly unnecessary. Minor changes such as the odd diacritic for unusual stress or sounds and readding Eth/Thorn would be my recommendation.
@@nealjroberts4050 I’m not even opposed to a large scale overhaul of the system, I just think it would never be feasible or effective in its goals
I love this type of videos where people question the bases of a Spelling reform in English or other languages that haven't updated their spelling or way to write for the sake of etimology or any other reason such as laziness. And so... I'm gonna give my personal opinion for each point, that is without being an expert in both, English, and even less in French. So Do mind me if I have errors, I love to learn and to hear different types of opinions in this topic. (I have had to divide this comment into three parts because it was too long, sorry for that). 1) "Writting and Reading". I'll start this topic with something I have in mind and that's that there are two ways of looking at writting in general: The person who writes and the person who readas. We know for sure that the person who writes needs to be efficient at being able to put out the letters or characters from it's hand and the longer and unnecesary the word the more taxing it will be for the writer. Buuuut on the other hand we have the readers. If a word is longer but it gives you enough knowledge to know how to read it then it will be faster and not if the word is shorter but it doesn't give you any clear rules for how to read it. For example we have Chinese that has characters that can be related to one word or they'll need another character to form a full word. Most characters due to having this less-syllable possibilities issue will need a lot of strokes to be formed and it could be taxing for the hand. Meanwhile cursive writting in other languges like English allows the writer to well, Write without lifting the pen that many times or doing that many strokes for a single word. But as the strokes are much longer than just a single character it makes it harder to recognize what the meaning of a sentence is. With that I mean that if we connect one word to one character and we learn how to read this second type the sentences will be easier to read (Less space and compact) but it will be demanding for the writer. 2) 2:17 "Silent letters are useful at recognizing patterns". Patterns doesn't mean they need to keep the core word to know it comes from it. If you learn that "Light", a noun, after becoming a verb in its past participle version adds "-en" at the end of a word and it removes the "t" while reading then we have a pattern. For example: "Lighen". But that's not even what it's happening in the example you've given. All the words mentioned has that "t" at when they become a past participle such as: "Bright" /ˈbraɪt/ becoming "Brighten" /ˈbraɪ.t̬n/. And you may say "Yeah yeah but then why we have an "e" in middle of "then" for this example?" Well, that is because some accents don't remark what's called "Syllabic consonants" as much as the one I've mentioned. Usually it should be /ˈbraɪ.t̬ən/ but when an /n/ is word-final and it's followed by a schwa (/ə/) it tends to remove that schwa in favor of faster reading. And That's a pattern that works almost every single time for example it happens with this others examples too: Bottle /ˈbɑː.t̬l/, Bottom /ˈbɑː.t̬m/ or Father /ˈfɑ.ðɚ/ (And not /ˈfɑː.ðəɹ/, in other dialects it even removes the /ɹ/ like: /ˈfɑː.ðə/). What I mean by this is... "Centre" and "Center" is a word that was changed due to this same reason. Most words ending in <-tre> were actually pronounced as /təɹ/ and not /tɹə/ so changing how they look doesn't affect at all and the pattern will still be there. Like: Centre -> Center, Metre -> Meter, Theatre -> Theater. But it can also work with other patterns such as "Colour" that aren't pronounced as /ˈkʌloʊɹ/ but as /ˈkʌl.əɹ/. So: Flavour -> Flavor, Savour -> Savor, Glamour -> Glamor. I know I could follow with this patterns... But I think it's clear that all this words were actually pronounced as they were written in past but due to French and the Printed Press not following the latest changes people keept this spellings. 3) 3:01 "Redundant or silent letters are useful to eliminate homophones". That's absolutely true, you have the "Knight / Night" example but I could also add "Hola / Ola" in Spanish or "Pero / Però" in Italian. I do understand that some of this in English were pronounced like it's written but it's useful as nobody would ever say /kˈnaɪt/. And I love your example of "Liaison" because it can happen in English too! Specially in Non-rhotic accents. For example: "The painter acts-", in non-rhotic accents "painter" is pronouned like /ˈpeɪn.tə/ buuut that final /ɹ/ is pronounced when the other word following starts with a vowel like: /ˈpeɪn.tə~ɹ ˈækts/ (I put ~ because even if it's in between the two words it connects motsly with the first word). That's what called in English "Linking R" that says that if a word ends with a vowel and the other starts with another vowel there will be an /ɹ/. It can even be recognized inside of words like: "Drawing" /ˈdrɔː~ɹɪŋ/ because "Draw" ends with a vowel and "-ing" starts with one. The proooblem comes when "Ough" for example where even if this words mostly end with that combination they all make considerable different sounds like: /ʌf/, /ɔ:/, /u:/ and even /ɒk/. And they are Not differentiated between each other as most words. Is it really necessary to keep the French's etimology once again? I don't think so.
4) 4:47, "Other accents can have features the other doesn't". I like this point but I also don't. For example in Spanish we have "Hierba" and "Yerba". Why does this happen? Well, because the semi-consonant /j/ tends to be pronounced as /ʝ/ when word-initial. Some places use it in one way and other in the other way. Does it make it more difficult? Another example is "Video" and "Vídeo", some people put the stress in the last syllable /bi.ˈdeo/ and others at the beginning /ˈbi.deo/. Does it represent a Big issue when people read or write? No. In English the same thing happens with the letter "Oo" that can be in some cases /ɑː/ or /ɒ/. Such as in : "Lot" and "Hard". In G.A. "Lot" and "Hard" had the phoneme /ɑ/ meanwhile in R.P. they are differentiated like /ɒ/ and /ɑ/. Does that mean it's solved? No really, we also have stuff like "Cloth" /klɒθ/ and /klɔθ/ in different accents too. And as /ɔ/ appears in both accents that means that we cannot simple remove /ɔ/ for the sake of having /ɒ/ instead even if some people don't have it. So in some cases it is clear that having a single phoneme is fine meanwhile in others not. Another example in Spanish, "Casa" and "Caza", in some accents the "z" in "Caza" is pronounced as /s/ (Just like in Casa) but as there are some accents that pronounce "Zz" as /θ/ instead they get differentiated. In Romance languages this difference tends to fall in consonants meanwhile in Germanic languages it is in the vowels as explained in 6:23. And most Germanic languages doesn't have any problem with this as they use this silent letters or Diacritics with strict rules even if they may have way differentiated accents. And yeah... even if people think rhotic and non-rhotic accents are so different in how they pronounce they all can be simplified and most people will understand the rules of homophones pretty easily as much as people have understood or took by "force" those rules that most natives doesn't care about. 5) 5:37 "Limitations in orthography and accents". Yeah... You gotta make changes and of course that means adding or removing letter in convinience and favor of efficient writting and faster reading + removing irregularities to make spelling and spoken words closer so people can learn faster. German for example had a "Recent" orthography reform in 1996 that chagned how some words and mostly consonants are put into the word in a way most people from the old way to write could understand it. And even if that's not the case we have extreme situations like Turkish that changed from the Arabic writting system to Latin's one without much trouble over the years. It is clear that if we want an English reform it has to be in a modified version of Latin, that is having the same letters but modifying them or introducing new but similar-looking letters for some words. The problem doesn't come from "This accent is stronger than this other one" but rather "How can we make people read older texts if we change the spelling?". It has risks and consequenses too. And even if the changes are perfect, they break Everything to make it perfectly suitable for the English languages and everything is solved... People still need to use it and like it so it doesn't fall into the oblivion. It's a long-term loan that takes a lot of time. Even more for people who are learning the English language around the world. Because yeah... Globalization means that most people will learn the English language and use it in different ambits, and changing them takes a lot of Money, Time and Effort. Something most people won't risk for as you said a ""Minor"" problem.
6) Yeah, the 7:24 example is hilarious, but that's why people will have to choose how different words look like the most appealing and not just what one person likes the most. Btw... "Bitches" even though reducted the final "s" is pronounced like /z/ so it should be <Bichęz>. And I've never seen /aɪ/ being spelled like "uy". But for example if you spell it like "rait" or "rayt" most people will understand it much easier. Also... This "Syllable Reduction" mostly changing non-stressed syllables into /ə/ or /ɪ/ doesn't change the meaning of a word and it cannot be pronounced otherwise. For example "Banana" /bəˈnæn.ə/ or /bəˈnɑː.nə/ will never be something like: /bæˈnæn.æ/ as that's unnatural. What you must care about for example is "Syllable Stress" like "Conduct" /kənˈdʌkt/ and /ˈkɑːn.dʌkt/ depending on the context. And that's important, even though it has the same word "Conduct" it changes depending it's a noun or a verb. And the stress is mostly consistant when it's a noun at the first syllable while the verb in the second syllable. And still they are written the same. Wouldn't it be better if we add something in between so we can easily know when it's a verb or a noun just by looking at it without the context like in Spanish like: "Ejército", "Ejercito" and "Ejercitó". Where you can easily know where it's pronounced and also which type of word it is. And yes, "Word stress" is also a thing. But English speakers have never had any issue with it while reading. Also, there was a time in English where "--" was used to accomodate longer pauses and even more in English mostly in poetry. So for examply in that example we could use something like: "-I didn't stab him", "I didn't -stab him" or "I didn't stab -him" and it's easy to read, type and write but it comes with the issue of "Noise" when it's abundant. So it could just be a "Feature" in some types of texts and that's it. Even " ' " could replace it like "I didn't 'stab him" and most people won't mind that small line before the word. But we would be making up rules that they naturally didn't appear. So it will most likely never appear in real texts. Feeeew! That was long huh? Well, I've finished with this comment. If you have any question leave me know below and if I have any error comment it too! I love to learn and hear everyone's opinion. I'm so sorry for making it so long but I hope I made myself clear and that you learn something that you didn't know before. And that's important, even though it has the same word "Conduct" it changes depending it's a noun or a verb. And the stress is mostly consistant when it's a noun at the first syllable while the verb in the second syllable. And still they are written the same. Wouldn't it be better if we add something in between so we can easily know when it's a verb or a noun just by looking at it without the context like in Spanish like: "Ejército", "Ejercito" and "Ejercitó". Where you can easily know where it's pronounced and also which type of word it is. And yes, "Word stress" is also a thing. But English speakers have never had any issue with it while reading. Also, there was a time in English where "--" was used to accomodate longer pauses and even more in English mostly in poetry. So for examply in that example we could use something like: "-I didn't stab him", "I didn't -stab him" or "I didn't stab -him" and it's easy to read, type and write but it comes with the issue of "Noise" when it's abundant. So it could just be a "Feature" in some types of texts and that's it. Even " ' " could replace it like "I didn't 'stab him" and most people won't mind that small line before the word. But we would be making up rules that they naturally didn't appear. So it will most likely never appear in real texts. Feeeew! That was long huh? Well, I've finished with this comment. If you have any question leave me know below and if I have any error comment it too! I love to learn and hear everyone's opinion. I'm so sorry for making it so long but I hope I made myself clear and that you learn something that you didn't know before.
When I was working on a phonetic script to act as a shorthand, I considered using a glyph system for common roots and affixes that would preserve meaning and increase the speed of writing. I ultimately didn't do this because I decided if I had to do so then the primary goal of having it being quick to write wasn't being fulfilled; I redesigned the script to just be faster to write in general. A phonetic script for writing is unfeasible because of all the different accents (I have a hard enough time saying the words the same way in my own head), but I do like the idea of a system like the Japanese kanji. The one I had planned would have used an altered form of the initial phonetic character to act as the radical while a series of other symbols (perhaps derived from other radicals and their meanings) conjoin to it.
Finnish has perferct letter to sound and sound to letter synchronisation
English must not have any spelling reform for its spellings are just fine. That's my opinion.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it, that's what I think
English doesn't need a reform BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A STROKE READING ANYTHING
@@spacemario mood
I would like if we changed to "myuzik" Also I think most z sounds should be z's, and most k sounds should be k's
I am a casual z enjoyer. I unironically think we should spell laser with a z, scifi words deserve scifi letters.
I don't agree at all but I see what you're trying to say. Functionally humans get by with the systems we have. Look at the old Sumerian and akkadian spellings that are wild compared to today's systems. Have you looked into Jamaican patois which is mostly English in nature but spelled as they sound instead of English spelling. The get along fine with phonetic spellings. The ones who don't use them are the ones who denigrate their language and prefer "Good English"
@@RoyalKnightVIII oh god, Sumerian and Akkadian are both very good examples of systems that certainly worked. Systems like that really show just how much capacity humans have to learn complex systems. I have not, I’m sorta familiar with it, but it doesn’t exist in my language space all that much. I can look into it tho
About which variety you could use, you can perfectly make a standard variety that is easily recognizable by all varieties without being too familiar. Spanish have a special standarized variety for academic, formal and even dubing that is understood easily by all the spanish variants and isn't particularly close to neither of them. The transatlantic accent could be a good place to start
@@cranmzvg so that sounds like a lovely idea, but it probably wouldn’t work, there exists an incredible diversity of variation in English, and it’s very likely no such variety exists, and such a system might very well have more unusual spelling as a result of that. Even though I’m no stranger to them and eager to listen/understand, some of the rural varieties of English spoken in the UK are actually very hard for me to understand and the compromise between just those two may not be materially possible.
I was really hoping you would circle back to defend/explain the french bird example
@@Doomsword0 oh, so there’s a typo there, cause I rush my work and edit these videos at 2am, but basically the word originally had all or most of the letters pronounced (this wasn’t too long ago in the grand scheme of things), and as the language changed things drifted. I’d say that French orthography is certainly very complicated, but I think it gets that ire because it’s cool to shit on the French. No one criticizes languages like Arabic, mandarin, Japanese, or Tibetan, and that’s partially because we don’t actually care about French spelling, we care about making fun of the French. In general, the system works for the community of native speakers, and they get along just fine, so I don’t believe it’s really necessary to force or advocate for change if that’s the case.
7:58 I don't know if all languages has the same resource of coring a word, but on portuguese language has and it makes the english language be a little bit easier to me, as a non-native speaker
May English orthography never, EVER change. I don’t want to disconnect us from the written works of our past, or from the clear etymology embedded in the spelling conventions, or fracture all our dialects by having a different spelling convention for each of them. And then what happens in 50 years when there are more sound changes? There would just be endless changing of spelling. It’s stupid. 5 year olds can learn English spelling, so all the ESLs complaining about it can go kick rocks.
@@EresirThe1st to quote the guy who wrote the closing song I used (tho this song is about teaching math, but close enough) 🎵it’s so simple, so very simple, that only a child can do it🎵