Hi! We are Pam and Gilbert. We’ve been making videos as souvenirs of our cycling adventures since 2008.
We believe that you can travel the world on bicycle without quitting your day job. We’ve figured out ways to make this work for us and every year we refine our system.
Examples:
- Destination based
- One way travel
- Pack light
Solution: folding bikes
We hope our touring videos give you some impressions of what fun it is travel by bike.
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Looks tedious to stop to change gears... Wouldn't be installing a 44T in front an acceptable compromise? "+1" low gear for "-1" high gear?
We actually removed our 44T to install the dual chainring.
Love your quick/small useful videos.
Thank you! Brompton does put on some really undesired heavy gears. This 12 gear options doesn't seem to help at all. I remember reading some text that eddy merckx used a 97 inch gear ratio to break the our record. This signals that for use mere simple cyclists. We don't need to have that much of a heavy gear. It is way desirableto coast down an enjoy the ride. I also didn't know that it was possible to use multiple chains rings without a derailleur.
Would appreciate your advice on which electric c line to buy, this would be my first Brampton, the day-to-day usage in the United States Yes, for commuting and errands and Occasional weekend trips to sites within the US. I would use the electric wheel, but when traveling to Europe, I would replace the wheel with either a dynamo or a standard wheel. Which speed new electric Brompton would be the better option to gain the lower gear That you get from installing the dual chain in this video? I hope you’re able to reply! Keep up the amazing work you do on this channel!
Fantastic video .. per usual. Currently shopping for my first Brompton, will be going electric, 12 speed, or less … Will remove the electric wheel when traveling from US to Europe So would like lower gearing options so well timed video for me! Thanks so much for all you do have learned so much from your channel
See you on the trail with your (new) Brompton soon.
No thanks, sounds half baked to me.
Excellent video. I wonder if it is applicable for C-line Electric.
The only potential issue would be the integration with the bottom bracket torque sensor
Thank you for sharing. I think the 6-speed with the H&H 40T chainring is already the ultimate answer for the 16-inch Brompton, with a reasonable gear inch range of 25-77. For any hill that I can’t climb with this setup, I would rather push the bike. The 12-speed Brompton, even if changed to a 44T chainring, has the same lightest gear inch of 25, and the two highest gear inches over 80 are almost unusable on this small-wheeled bike. Removing the two redundant gears, the 12-speed Brompton actually only has 8 usable gears, which is not much different from the 6-speed. Therefore, I would not consider upgrading to 12-speed. If I need a higher gear ratio, I would consider buying another bike like Bike Friday, or wait for Brompton to release their 20-inch G-line (Gravel-line).
I use 44t but I'm really considering changing to a 40t!
I just got my first c line brompton and come witj a 50T I changed toa 45t but I think I will gonfor this , do you have a link for the chainring?
We bought ours here: www.fantastic4toys.com/products/h-h-bcd130-54-33t-unibody-cnc-duo-chainring-for-brompton-bicycle
I did try one of these and could never get it quite right. But that's probably because I installed it wrong. I instead opted for an ATS Speed Drive style solution which allows me to shift gears with a heel kick. The main downside being that it adds significant weight to the bike. I have a video on KZread about it actually.
The speed drive is certainly a cleaner solution (can always put it on a P-Line to negate the weight increase :-)
Hi there, did you experience any chain drop while using the 33T chainring during your ride?
No, not so far anyway. Once, while doing a quick fold, the chain did move from 50T to 33T however. Had to put it back to 50T to complete the folding process.
It has been something on my mind for about a year now (the one that I've been looking at is a 53/39T by Litepro). I thought to myself: I'll get one of those if I can somehow fashion a decent front derailleur for it that doesn't look too bad and isn't too heavy. I've been putting that off since then because I can power through the hilliest areas that I've come across so far with the lowest gear (mine has a 50T chainring) anyway.
Very good. I am lucky to have a 12 speed P Line which is now my main bike. I like not just the additional range of gears but also that the increment between gears is smaller, when compared to my M6R. I did look at this option and clearly much cheaper, but changing the front chain ring by hand, when I am commuting to and from work really isn't an option. I can't be covered in oil! Thanks for your film as always...thanks
Being able the change gears with a shifter is a minimum requirement for most users. Having the choice (/budget), most would likely go for the 12 speed over a dual chainring. The relative low cost makes it a good solution for those who want to keep their 6speed for a few more years before making the (financial) jump.
Seems a logical thought mindset could save lots of money, do you think it will take years before Brompton catches up with most other bike manufacturers in introducing a belt drive system, pretty sure if a phone call was made to Rolloff from Brompton asking could you back engineer your hub drive to accommodate our existing triangle be it old or new and the first order will be a fifty thousand units rolloff will sort in a week, would be nice to see you do a video on the Chubby trailer if possible? Don’t think there’s anyone on KZread that has your meticulous detail mindset.
Brompton often put more effort in yearly colours changes and limited edition releases than true engineering innovations (the T-Line being the exception) It would be interesting indeed to test/evaluate the Chubby trailer.
Thanks for sharing. A tempting option, both for the extra low range, but also for the top end - I’d like to swap out the 44T to a 50T, but thought how foolish I’d feel if I ever needed the lower end.
What's the point of loading a folding bike and then suffering on the road? It's masochism. :). A folding bike and tourism are incompatible. You can also try traveling on roller skates with a heavy backpack on your back)))
Thank you so much for showing the reach and stack and the comparison to the Brompton, this is so helpful and no other KZreadr does that!
Brompton is ugly as hell and too expensive
I want to buy a D8 40th anniversary, but the only color available in the store in Mexico is Dazzling Grey, but it looks like light blue instead.
The analytical detail on your videos is so helpful. Thank you!!!❤
The clever design of the Brompton is tempting…but the lack of a chain tool (for me) is a fatal flaw. It’s a bloody expensive puncture repair kit as thats aboutn the only job it does well. I think I’ll be taking the Terns slightly less clever storage solution, cheaper price and better functionality
The Brompton logo does come with a price premium. The Tern Tool let us down recently (ref kzread.info/dash/bejne/nYat0tqMhczXnrg.html ). We still like it, but it lost our "Preferred Tool" status.
I am recently retired and new to long distance cycling but fairly fit and active. Can you share a bit on what is your longest tour? … most km per day? …most days in a row of cycling? My wife and I are considering bicycle touring as an active travel option. Thank you!
We just completed a 1000km / 25 days tour from Bruges to Berlin, averaging about 50km to 60km/day. We may do more km/day if wind and elevation are favorable (or if no closer accommodations were found) We stay in Hotels/AirBnB, so we travel relatively light (about 7Kg each, no camping gears). We book all accommodations prior to departure. This (now dated) video may give you some ideas how we plan: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mYl9uaidhdG9p84.htmlsi=x3CtGFUYxkjMxF39 We favour 3-4 weeks tours if oversea travel is involved. We do shorter tours (2-5 days) locally (Canada/USA), ex.: taking the train one way, returning by bike. Enjoy your retirement!
Già una Bromton elettrica P line con cambio a 12 velocità, prezzo chiavi in mano, la prendi al caro prezzo di 3800 euro. Immagino se avessero montato un cambio Rolhof: sarebbe costata 5000 euro. Per cui, va benissimo il cambio combinato con mozzo Archer a 3 marce + le 4 velocità esterne (= 12 marce) adottato dall'azienda.
I motivi per cui sulla Bromton P line elettrica va bene il cambio a 12 velocità sono, fondamentalmente, due: 1) in salita, se si guasta l'assistenza elettrica, grazie alle marce basse, hai la possibilità di procedere muscolarmente; 2) oltre i 15 miglia/orari, una volta disattivata l'assistenza elettrica, grazie alle marce alte, puoi pedalare muscolarmente fino ai 30 miglia/orari in discese con pendenze del 3-5%. Questi due buoni motivi si sorreggono sul fatto che una Bromton P line elettrica pesa comunque solo 35 libbre circa ed ha il mozzo anteriore elettrico con un motore che, quando disattivo, non comporta nessun attrito di resistenza passiva. La Bromton P line elettrica, grazie al cambio a 12 velocità, è dunque una bici elettrica che può essere pedalata anche solo muscolarmente: sia in salita che in discesa, anche cioè senza assistenza elettrica. Conclusione: molto bene ha fatto l'azienda ad installare il cambio a 12 velocità anche sulla Bromton elettrica: perché ciò permette all'utente di avere un'elettrica pedalabile anche solo muscolarmente. Chi compra una Bromton P line 12 velocità elettrica compra due bici in una: un'elettrica ed una muscolare.
Great help thanks
I have the Marathon on my trailer, used it for more than 10000 Km (2019-2024), I will add 2000Km in july 2024. Inspected the tyre last week, it is still looking reliable. Best tyre of all my bicycles/trailers through the years. On my touring e-bike I use Marathon MTB Plus which is also very reliable, never got a puncture with both tyre-types. I got punctures in the past with other Schwalbes and also with Continentals, these 2 are exceptions (I do 15000Km a year on my bicycles - so carfree).
Conti all the way!
Was this at the Brompton Junction in NYC?
Yes, it is. Filmed in January 2019
Excellent video, thank you. I have a 2012 M6R with titanium extremities (and Son hub). I would like a 400% gear hub, set up from 1.8 m/development. Alfine 11 is too wide for the rear triangle/fork…
We just installed a dual chainring on our 2016 M6R. We will discuss the pros and cons in our next video
You guys are the best! Your combo of Professional Engineer and Technical Writer - c'est le top! Thanks for the tips about the Vincita bag - I'm planning my Brompton's first airline trip, and I'm thinking of getting a Vincita bag. I better order a tennis ball too haha. Trés util, merci !
I got a C Line Urban for my commute to work. My commute is less than 3km, and there's only one hill of any significance; it's less than 250m, and depending on the stoplight at the beginning, I can generate enough momentum to fairly easily handle the first 1/3 of the hill. So for me, the C Line Urban was the perfect solution. That being said, I come from a road cycling background, and am used to covering distances on the road much faster; I tend to turn taller gears with relatively lower cadence. Do you think upgrading to a 56t chainring (I believe my bike came with a 54t ring) would make a noticeable difference?
Upgrading the chainring from 54T to 56T and 16T to 17T would both make you marginally faster (1km/h at 70rpm in 2nd gear) and provide better hill climbing performance in 1st. It’s a low cost DIY upgrade that can be easily reversed if you don’t like the end result.
@@2Bikes4Adventure great. Thank you for the recommendation.
You are incorrect The Brompton rider would arrive first at 60km. They folded the bike and got the bus.
Can you please share the itinerary for Taiwan, as I have a brompton and wish to cycle in Taiwan. Thank you
Here’s the itinerary we followed. We had 3 weeks (including flights), so we used the train in some sections (ex.: avoiding high traffic or mountainous areas). Day 1 Taoyuan Airport to Taipei (60km) Day 2 Taipei (cycling around town 50km) Day 3 Taipei (cycling around town 50km ) Day 4 Train to Hualien Day 5 Taroko Gorge (up by bus, down by Brompton 60km) Day 6 Ruisui (73km) Day 7 Guanshan (75km) Day 8 Taitung (47km) Day 9 Dawu (62km) Train to Fangshan Day 10 Kaohsiung (70km) Day 11 Tainan (50km) Day 12 Tainan (cycling around town 50km) Day 13 SunMoon Lake (train) Day 14 SunMoon Lake Loop (40 km) Day 15 Taichung (80 km) Day 16 Taipei (train) Day 17 Loop to Keelung (60km) Day 18 Taoyuan Airport (train) Great place to cycle (outside typhoon season). Have a good trip.
Thank you so much, as I am planning in December
December should be an excellent time to cycle around the island. Enjoy.
Love my Dahon Mu P8, except for the one time the frame broke in half
The IKEA Dimpa is a great suggestion!
Superb video, thank you!
Like all external bumbton 'gearing' they don't work for more than three gear changes, and I speak from bitter experience. Fortunately I like my single speed '2' speed, having had a single speed bike before; trust not bumbton external shite plastic 'gearing'
I need help, please. 😊 I'm choosing between p line 4 speed and the new 12 speed. I love the colour of the 4 speed (emerald lacquer) and the lower weight. I will mostly ride around the town, on and off the train etc. But I'm thinking if it's better to be save and have more gears for occassional hills. Maybe get a 4 speed and upragde to a doublr chainring? Or get a C line and save money.
A 4 speed P-line is a good choice in a relatively flat environment where you also need to frequently hand-carry the folded bike (ex.: intermodal commuting). A similar logic applies to (1 and 4 speed) T-Line, and to a certain extent, 2 speed C-Line): Minimise weight at the cost of limited gear range. By the time you start adding an (heavy) internal hub (or heaven forbid, a rear rack), you are trading away the weight advantage you paid hard money to get. Personally, we would skip the P-Line 12 speed, either choosing the lighter 4speed. (If environment/use case permits) or wait for a future C-Line 12 speed (or add a dual chainring on 6 speed (which we just did))
@@2Bikes4Adventure Thank You, I think 4 speed best matches my needs. If I need more range, I'll add a double chainring. Are you making a video about the recent modification?
@Loostyc Our next video will be about the chainring upgrade, how-to and 1000km test trial tour feedback.
@@2Bikes4Adventure You are amazing!
Brompton needs to think about getting bags for tourers.
Good opportunity for 3rd party bag manufacturers to fill the gap.
You should be a teacher, you are thorough in your presentation, much appreciated.
tread on a hard surface doesn't negatively impact rolling resistance, it does affect grip however.
At my speed? Who cares?
I put a 42 tooth Campy GS crankset on my 6 speed. Schweet!
I've used the Vincita sightseer on 12 flights with not the slightest damage to either the bike or the bag. I don't remove the saddle (Brooks B17) being that it acts as a large leather bumper and I can also hook the garment bag under it so it doesn't slide around. The damaged zipper can probably be replaced by a tailor.
derailleur de-rail-er becasue it de-rails the chain from the gear.
“Etymology Dérailleur ([deʁajœʁ]) is a French word, derived from the derailment of a train from its tracks. “ Wikipedia: Derailleur ( en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derailleur ) Pronunciation: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qZhmxKqKgNmYobQ.htmlsi=p_oeDPS2wsaCnpYQ
@@2Bikes4Adventure But in English it's just pronounced de-rail-er. Unless you are deliberately using the french word.
Bravo 👏 ❤
Thanks for such knowledge! So if I’m cruising at 135 watts, normally on a road bike it would be around 28 - 31 kmh. If I ride a brompton, I would lose only about 2 kmh? I planned to commute around 35 km distance (with all the traffic accounted, it would be 1,5 to 2 hours ride on a road bike)
Referring to the graph at 09:28, you speed difference should around be 15%, so about 4.5km/h
@@2Bikes4Adventure thanks! Now I could plan the route
DAHON Mariner 7 way more affordable and one size fits all Brompton so expensive may as well buy a used Vespa scooter
Starting out in 2 and 2 is amazing as it’s just above the 4 speed 1 but below the 4 speed 2 the best part is the chain is completely straight then shifting to 3 and then changing the hub to 3 most of the time in town I can leave the 4 speed in 2 and change the hub from 2 to 3 then if I stop I can change the hub back to 2 at a standstill this has been quite nice if you get a chance to make a new video ow that the information is out I know you could do a great job!!!! Thanks
great video, thank you