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I'm having trouble keeping my rear wheels on the axle head what do I need to do
@DerbyCarExpert10 ай бұрын
To fix this issue, follow the instructions for the “Rear Wheel Testing” substep for Step 4 of the P4613 Straight Tracker. “Roll car forwards and backwards 1'-2'. Rear wheels should stay against axle heads. If a wheel moves toward car body, use pliers to rotate axle heads slightly. Keep retesting until rear wheels stay against axle head”.
@donnell688 Жыл бұрын
how do youshave and "square" an outer hub? which is round?
@DerbyCarExpert10 ай бұрын
“Squaring” a wheel hub means to flatten it so the wheel hub is perpendicular to the pinewood derby car body, reducing friction.
@ckkendrick7861 Жыл бұрын
I dont understand, can someone please help, i got a derby coming up soon, i bent my 2 back wells 2.5 degrees and then put them on but how is the wheel suppose to rub on nail head when nail is bent, its always going towards the car, the wheel has to go uphill on the nail to rub on nail head, mine seems to stay down by the car body amd rubing there
@davidh6157 Жыл бұрын
Need to rotate the axle so that it is tilted up out and away from the body of the car.
@SN0WMAN272 жыл бұрын
That’s a pre-made kit. Good video though
@simplykiwified16063 жыл бұрын
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@randombacon10328 ай бұрын
wonderful 🎉🎉🎉 I’m in tears from the sentence 😭😭😭 so inspirational 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@Graff2103 жыл бұрын
These look real aerodynmic
@audreyyang43684 жыл бұрын
Question, how come the derby car wabbles on the track? Thanks
@DerbyCarExpert4 жыл бұрын
This often is a result of poor wheel alignment or even off-balance weight placement. We suggest double checking the measurements on both of these things. We have a wheel alignment measuring tool that could help if you want to check that out. pinecar.woodlandscenics.com/show/item/P456
@garriemiller44 жыл бұрын
Why not wet sand?
@DerbyCarExpert4 жыл бұрын
We're sorry but we don't quite catch your meaning. Can you explain a little more about what you mean by "wet sand"?
@garriemiller44 жыл бұрын
@@DerbyCarExpert why do you not wet sand the wheels? Wet sanding is where water is used to wet the sand paper.
@FLYBOYMATTHEW754 жыл бұрын
Sand with water so you don't overheat and melt the plastic.
@DerbyCarExpert4 жыл бұрын
Our sandpaper is not designed for wet sanding. You could wet sand wheels if you have sandpaper that is designed for that purpose.
@rodneyjames67444 жыл бұрын
Wood turning Oregon. Pine
@DragonKastle5 жыл бұрын
Useless video
@crossfoxy43535 жыл бұрын
Why skip the part where the tire is being nailed into the block?
@DerbyCarExpert5 жыл бұрын
Are you referring to the axle keepers keeping the wheel and axle secured to the block? If so, we have a separate video kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z46trK6pmLaqptY.html showing this.
@eddierosas30645 жыл бұрын
🤪🤪🤪 wow is just a nail
@drewboy705 жыл бұрын
Will this work with Awana wheels?
@DerbyCarExpert5 жыл бұрын
Yes, it should work.
@silkboxing44546 жыл бұрын
Matt. U do Pinewood Cars and Waterfalls???
@DerbyCarExpert6 жыл бұрын
You're right -- Matt is in videos for Woodland Scenics, as well. That's pretty multi-talented!
@richardc.shadeii14966 жыл бұрын
Will it work on Royal Ranger wheels?
@DerbyCarExpert6 жыл бұрын
The Royal Ranger wheels have a larger hub bore than the Pine Car or BSA Wheels. You make up the size difference with a small piece of brass tubing (purchase at a hobby shop). Use the brass tubing to make a bushing that will make up the size difference
@customsunglasses33156 жыл бұрын
Here is an Actual CUB SCOUT!! That created a How to for the Pinewood Derby Cars. He recommended several of your products.. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lZeOlc9_nrOZpdY.html
@DerbyCarExpert6 жыл бұрын
That's awesome!
@collynconnelly50776 жыл бұрын
LOL
@collynconnelly50776 жыл бұрын
Wow it's muh school project
@drew661m56 жыл бұрын
Good afternoon, When weighing to find out front axle weight. As scale heights are different would you elevate the rear axle to the same height as the front axle when weighing? Thank you in advance
@DerbyCarExpert6 жыл бұрын
This is in the Performance and Conformity System instructions and should be the same for any scale: Be sure the entire weight of the car is resting on the Scale. Wheels should not touch the surface of the table. This may require setting the car on its side or on its top. You can view these instructions in their entirety on our website pinecar.woodlandscenics.com/show/item/P4035
@peter-william7 жыл бұрын
thanks for uploading this
@dougie21917 жыл бұрын
This time wouldnt even get me a A in my tech ed xD
@mikemcguire2550 Жыл бұрын
Wow that’s great! You should join us in the league racing
@thelifeofnoah00827 жыл бұрын
Fist
@wampuscat75897 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me how to find a race near me?
@DerbyCarExpert7 жыл бұрын
You can go to the beascout.org website. Once you get to the site, go to the Cub Scout section, put in your zip code and see who the packs are in your area. There should be contact information and you can contact one of local cub scout packs to find the local races.
@Apex8r7 жыл бұрын
Yeah just broke the car all four sides trying to put the nails on, how about a how to?
@DerbyCarExpert7 жыл бұрын
Hello! This video is our how-to video for installing nail-type axles. Once thing we recommend is to be very careful when you are tapping the nails in with your hammer. If you are tapping the nail axles too hard, it can cause the car to break in all four places.
@Ronwolf698 жыл бұрын
Our rules say that you have to use the original grooves. How do you get away with making new grooves?
@DerbyCarExpert8 жыл бұрын
+Ron McClung local rules can vary. There is not one set of regulated rules for every race. Unfortunately, if that is what it states for your race then to avoid disqualification you have to oblige.
@trishflorentine94238 жыл бұрын
Great video,
@loganmarks33849 жыл бұрын
@dalenbroussard42249 жыл бұрын
Thanx for your info
@henryotts93589 жыл бұрын
You forgot three of the most important ones! Rail riding, tilted wheels, and one wheel raised
@mikemcguire2550 Жыл бұрын
He forgot more than that.
@rabindranauthrajaram27669 жыл бұрын
I used a 3/8 as recommended. The weights wouldn't bite. I had to start over with a new block and drill 5/16 holes.
@fousies9 жыл бұрын
How do you weigh the car at the from axel?
@DerbyCarExpert9 жыл бұрын
fousies Hello! To measure the weight of your car at the front axle, you will need to place the rear wheels on a level flat surface (same height as your scale) and put your front wheels on the scale. This will give you the weight of the Front Axle. If you don’t have a scale, you might be interested in our Performance & Conformity System P4035. Here is a quick link for your convenience: pinecar.woodlandscenics.com/show/Item/P4035/page/1 Hope this helps!
@ronhanish6 жыл бұрын
PineCar what is optimum center of gravity from rear axle so car doesn't flip??
@DerbyCarExpert6 жыл бұрын
Racers are propelled down the slope of a track by gravity, turning potential energy into kinetic energy. But, when the racer reaches the flat area of track, gravity is no longer a help. By designing a Center of Gravity (CoG) near the rear of the car, more potential energy is produced because the heaviest part of the car (mass) sets higher and has further to drop. The additional potential energy is converted into a surplus of kinetic energy, which gives the car a push to the finish line. We do recommend as a guideline your car's center of gravity be approximately 3/4" in front of the rear axle and balanced equally on both sides. For example, if the race is being held on a wood track, some believe the 1” in front of rear axle is best. If at all possible we recommend doing test runs on the track that will be used.
@gary633610 жыл бұрын
Hi. I try to calculate the center of gravity height of the car. I raise up the front of the car to calculate the center of gravity height; and then I do again, this time I raise up the back of the car to calculate the center of gravity height, I raise up same height but I got the different answer of center of gravity height. Do you know why? Should I need to raise up the lighter side of the car to calculate the center of gravity height?
@DerbyCarExpert10 жыл бұрын
Hello Gary, Thank you for your interest in our products! If you are trying to find the center of gravity without using our app, you can do so by balancing your car on a pencil. This will tell you where the COG is. If you would like the center of gravity closer to the rear of your PineCar, you will need to move the weights back. If you would like it closer to the front, you will need to move them forward. If you have any questions you can also contact our Customer Service Department Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m at 573-346-5555. CST. Thank you and happy racing!
@ronhanish6 жыл бұрын
PineCar what is optimum for not flipping??
@DerbyCarExpert6 жыл бұрын
Racers are propelled down the slope of a track by gravity, turning potential energy into kinetic energy. But, when the racer reaches the flat area of track, gravity is no longer a help. By designing a Center of Gravity (CoG) near the rear of the car, more potential energy is produced because the heaviest part of the car (mass) sets higher and has further to drop. The additional potential energy is converted into a surplus of kinetic energy, which gives the car a push to the finish line. We do recommend as a guideline your car's center of gravity be approximately 3/4" in front of the rear axle and balanced equally on both sides. For example, if the race is being held on a wood track, some believe the 1” in front of rear axle is best. If at all possible we recommend doing test runs on the track that will be used.
@Nicklambert5010 жыл бұрын
We just went to districts with our car and made videos of what we did to make it so fast, you can check them out on my channel. The more we help each other, the more we grow.
@leroyfarmer10 жыл бұрын
Please revise your video to state a 23/64 hole instead of 3/8 hole. I drilled a 3/8 hole and found that the tungsten CoG weights floated back and forth in the hole. I was NOT happy.
@DerbyCarExpert11 жыл бұрын
Not recommended. The treadmill belt will scuff polished wheels. We recommend applying graphite on the inside and outside of the wheel hubs, and keeping car upright (racing position), spin each wheel individually for a minimum of three minutes. Rotate car 90° so wheels face up and down. Spin lower wheels for three more minutes. Rotate car 180° and spin the second set of lower wheels for three minutes each. Apply graphite periodically during this process, and again before final check-in!
@Vizual167711 жыл бұрын
You're awesome thanks for the tip. Great of you guys to put out this quality content for young racers and their dad/mom's. I know I am giving your youtube channel to all of our scouts and really hope for some great racing in the years to come. Again, thanks!
@DerbyCarExpert11 жыл бұрын
Wow…Those are fast times!! We do not have an oil that will work in this fashion. However, we suggest you try Ny Oil. We have not been able to find an oil superior to this one. To use…place a drop of oil on the shank of the axle, insert the wheel onto the axle and spin the wheel several times. Remove the wheel and wipe off the excess oil. You only need a micro coating of oil on the shaft of the axle. Too much oil on the axle will cause the opposite affect and slow the car down. Happy Racing!
@Vizual167711 жыл бұрын
Do you guys have any videos for tips using oils rather than graphite on the axles and wheels? I race in multiple leagues and do fairly well. On 42 foot tracks I generally run in the mid 2.97's to low 2.98 "depending on the track". I have yet to break into the 2.96. A lot of the top racers are hitting the low to mid 2.95 mark and even one guy is running 2.94. I figure it has to be in the axle prep and lube. Thanks in advance, and great videos.
@mikemcguire2550 Жыл бұрын
Have you che led out the leagues? Guys are running 2.849 in the bearing classes.
@DerbyCarExpert11 жыл бұрын
No, we do not.
@Vizual167711 жыл бұрын
Do you race in the NPWDRL?
@mikemcguire2550 Жыл бұрын
I do
@DerbyCarExpert11 жыл бұрын
It is important to tune wheels in the order shown for a couple of reasons. When using the Wheel Turning Mandrel to smooth wheels, a pre-coned and polished hub will get marred and compressed in the wheel smoothing process, undoing all your hard work. Do all your Mandrel work first. Re-chucking the wheel in the Mandrel could damage the wheel. Regardless of when the coning process is done, this step needs to be done carefully. If the wheel is gouged, it could be damaged beyond repair.
@CascadeRanger11 жыл бұрын
Why not do step two first? That way if there would be a slip-up you haven't got to do the work twice.
@DerbyCarExpert11 жыл бұрын
Great! Glad everything worked out...good luck in the race!
@RockDog10111 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I just saw your reply. The CoG weights fit together. I just had to rotate them a bit. Great products and great service! Thank you!
@DerbyCarExpert11 жыл бұрын
That is awesome!!!!!!! Tell him congratulations...we are delighted this video was useful to you all!
@Enctypt11 жыл бұрын
My son is a first year cub scout. Today was our first PineCar Derby. Thanks for helping us win the 2nd place trophy for the entire pack. I cannot tell you how proud I felt seeing the huge smile on his face and when he gave me the biggest hug ever!
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To bad this is against our troops regulations.
I'm having trouble keeping my rear wheels on the axle head what do I need to do
To fix this issue, follow the instructions for the “Rear Wheel Testing” substep for Step 4 of the P4613 Straight Tracker. “Roll car forwards and backwards 1'-2'. Rear wheels should stay against axle heads. If a wheel moves toward car body, use pliers to rotate axle heads slightly. Keep retesting until rear wheels stay against axle head”.
how do youshave and "square" an outer hub? which is round?
“Squaring” a wheel hub means to flatten it so the wheel hub is perpendicular to the pinewood derby car body, reducing friction.
I dont understand, can someone please help, i got a derby coming up soon, i bent my 2 back wells 2.5 degrees and then put them on but how is the wheel suppose to rub on nail head when nail is bent, its always going towards the car, the wheel has to go uphill on the nail to rub on nail head, mine seems to stay down by the car body amd rubing there
Need to rotate the axle so that it is tilted up out and away from the body of the car.
That’s a pre-made kit. Good video though
e
wonderful 🎉🎉🎉 I’m in tears from the sentence 😭😭😭 so inspirational 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
These look real aerodynmic
Question, how come the derby car wabbles on the track? Thanks
This often is a result of poor wheel alignment or even off-balance weight placement. We suggest double checking the measurements on both of these things. We have a wheel alignment measuring tool that could help if you want to check that out. pinecar.woodlandscenics.com/show/item/P456
Why not wet sand?
We're sorry but we don't quite catch your meaning. Can you explain a little more about what you mean by "wet sand"?
@@DerbyCarExpert why do you not wet sand the wheels? Wet sanding is where water is used to wet the sand paper.
Sand with water so you don't overheat and melt the plastic.
Our sandpaper is not designed for wet sanding. You could wet sand wheels if you have sandpaper that is designed for that purpose.
Wood turning Oregon. Pine
Useless video
Why skip the part where the tire is being nailed into the block?
Are you referring to the axle keepers keeping the wheel and axle secured to the block? If so, we have a separate video kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z46trK6pmLaqptY.html showing this.
🤪🤪🤪 wow is just a nail
Will this work with Awana wheels?
Yes, it should work.
Matt. U do Pinewood Cars and Waterfalls???
You're right -- Matt is in videos for Woodland Scenics, as well. That's pretty multi-talented!
Will it work on Royal Ranger wheels?
The Royal Ranger wheels have a larger hub bore than the Pine Car or BSA Wheels. You make up the size difference with a small piece of brass tubing (purchase at a hobby shop). Use the brass tubing to make a bushing that will make up the size difference
Here is an Actual CUB SCOUT!! That created a How to for the Pinewood Derby Cars. He recommended several of your products.. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lZeOlc9_nrOZpdY.html
That's awesome!
LOL
Wow it's muh school project
Good afternoon, When weighing to find out front axle weight. As scale heights are different would you elevate the rear axle to the same height as the front axle when weighing? Thank you in advance
This is in the Performance and Conformity System instructions and should be the same for any scale: Be sure the entire weight of the car is resting on the Scale. Wheels should not touch the surface of the table. This may require setting the car on its side or on its top. You can view these instructions in their entirety on our website pinecar.woodlandscenics.com/show/item/P4035
thanks for uploading this
This time wouldnt even get me a A in my tech ed xD
Wow that’s great! You should join us in the league racing
Fist
Can you tell me how to find a race near me?
You can go to the beascout.org website. Once you get to the site, go to the Cub Scout section, put in your zip code and see who the packs are in your area. There should be contact information and you can contact one of local cub scout packs to find the local races.
Yeah just broke the car all four sides trying to put the nails on, how about a how to?
Hello! This video is our how-to video for installing nail-type axles. Once thing we recommend is to be very careful when you are tapping the nails in with your hammer. If you are tapping the nail axles too hard, it can cause the car to break in all four places.
Our rules say that you have to use the original grooves. How do you get away with making new grooves?
+Ron McClung local rules can vary. There is not one set of regulated rules for every race. Unfortunately, if that is what it states for your race then to avoid disqualification you have to oblige.
Great video,
Thanx for your info
You forgot three of the most important ones! Rail riding, tilted wheels, and one wheel raised
He forgot more than that.
I used a 3/8 as recommended. The weights wouldn't bite. I had to start over with a new block and drill 5/16 holes.
How do you weigh the car at the from axel?
fousies Hello! To measure the weight of your car at the front axle, you will need to place the rear wheels on a level flat surface (same height as your scale) and put your front wheels on the scale. This will give you the weight of the Front Axle. If you don’t have a scale, you might be interested in our Performance & Conformity System P4035. Here is a quick link for your convenience: pinecar.woodlandscenics.com/show/Item/P4035/page/1 Hope this helps!
PineCar what is optimum center of gravity from rear axle so car doesn't flip??
Racers are propelled down the slope of a track by gravity, turning potential energy into kinetic energy. But, when the racer reaches the flat area of track, gravity is no longer a help. By designing a Center of Gravity (CoG) near the rear of the car, more potential energy is produced because the heaviest part of the car (mass) sets higher and has further to drop. The additional potential energy is converted into a surplus of kinetic energy, which gives the car a push to the finish line. We do recommend as a guideline your car's center of gravity be approximately 3/4" in front of the rear axle and balanced equally on both sides. For example, if the race is being held on a wood track, some believe the 1” in front of rear axle is best. If at all possible we recommend doing test runs on the track that will be used.
Hi. I try to calculate the center of gravity height of the car. I raise up the front of the car to calculate the center of gravity height; and then I do again, this time I raise up the back of the car to calculate the center of gravity height, I raise up same height but I got the different answer of center of gravity height. Do you know why? Should I need to raise up the lighter side of the car to calculate the center of gravity height?
Hello Gary, Thank you for your interest in our products! If you are trying to find the center of gravity without using our app, you can do so by balancing your car on a pencil. This will tell you where the COG is. If you would like the center of gravity closer to the rear of your PineCar, you will need to move the weights back. If you would like it closer to the front, you will need to move them forward. If you have any questions you can also contact our Customer Service Department Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m at 573-346-5555. CST. Thank you and happy racing!
PineCar what is optimum for not flipping??
Racers are propelled down the slope of a track by gravity, turning potential energy into kinetic energy. But, when the racer reaches the flat area of track, gravity is no longer a help. By designing a Center of Gravity (CoG) near the rear of the car, more potential energy is produced because the heaviest part of the car (mass) sets higher and has further to drop. The additional potential energy is converted into a surplus of kinetic energy, which gives the car a push to the finish line. We do recommend as a guideline your car's center of gravity be approximately 3/4" in front of the rear axle and balanced equally on both sides. For example, if the race is being held on a wood track, some believe the 1” in front of rear axle is best. If at all possible we recommend doing test runs on the track that will be used.
We just went to districts with our car and made videos of what we did to make it so fast, you can check them out on my channel. The more we help each other, the more we grow.
Please revise your video to state a 23/64 hole instead of 3/8 hole. I drilled a 3/8 hole and found that the tungsten CoG weights floated back and forth in the hole. I was NOT happy.
Not recommended. The treadmill belt will scuff polished wheels. We recommend applying graphite on the inside and outside of the wheel hubs, and keeping car upright (racing position), spin each wheel individually for a minimum of three minutes. Rotate car 90° so wheels face up and down. Spin lower wheels for three more minutes. Rotate car 180° and spin the second set of lower wheels for three minutes each. Apply graphite periodically during this process, and again before final check-in!
You're awesome thanks for the tip. Great of you guys to put out this quality content for young racers and their dad/mom's. I know I am giving your youtube channel to all of our scouts and really hope for some great racing in the years to come. Again, thanks!
Wow…Those are fast times!! We do not have an oil that will work in this fashion. However, we suggest you try Ny Oil. We have not been able to find an oil superior to this one. To use…place a drop of oil on the shank of the axle, insert the wheel onto the axle and spin the wheel several times. Remove the wheel and wipe off the excess oil. You only need a micro coating of oil on the shaft of the axle. Too much oil on the axle will cause the opposite affect and slow the car down. Happy Racing!
Do you guys have any videos for tips using oils rather than graphite on the axles and wheels? I race in multiple leagues and do fairly well. On 42 foot tracks I generally run in the mid 2.97's to low 2.98 "depending on the track". I have yet to break into the 2.96. A lot of the top racers are hitting the low to mid 2.95 mark and even one guy is running 2.94. I figure it has to be in the axle prep and lube. Thanks in advance, and great videos.
Have you che led out the leagues? Guys are running 2.849 in the bearing classes.
No, we do not.
Do you race in the NPWDRL?
I do
It is important to tune wheels in the order shown for a couple of reasons. When using the Wheel Turning Mandrel to smooth wheels, a pre-coned and polished hub will get marred and compressed in the wheel smoothing process, undoing all your hard work. Do all your Mandrel work first. Re-chucking the wheel in the Mandrel could damage the wheel. Regardless of when the coning process is done, this step needs to be done carefully. If the wheel is gouged, it could be damaged beyond repair.
Why not do step two first? That way if there would be a slip-up you haven't got to do the work twice.
Great! Glad everything worked out...good luck in the race!
Sorry, I just saw your reply. The CoG weights fit together. I just had to rotate them a bit. Great products and great service! Thank you!
That is awesome!!!!!!! Tell him congratulations...we are delighted this video was useful to you all!
My son is a first year cub scout. Today was our first PineCar Derby. Thanks for helping us win the 2nd place trophy for the entire pack. I cannot tell you how proud I felt seeing the huge smile on his face and when he gave me the biggest hug ever!