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Hi! KZread video, Breakfast With Vinnie, Bill Bruford interview from a week ago, at the 24 minute mark, Vinnie touches briefly on this self-taught idea.
@petervanpuyvelde89597 күн бұрын
Magnifique!
@michellewaltersmusic739911 күн бұрын
Here I am going through your vids after such a nice discussion on Facebook; thanks for this!
@Kbctl919013 күн бұрын
Doesn’t make sense, because the two ways are not really mutually exclusive, you can teach yourself to read music. Them not being mutually exclusive makes the categories useless for creating a taxonomy. But even ignoring the obvious logical flaw, what is the use of this sort of thought? What can I do with this information?
@Kbctl919013 күн бұрын
Doesn’t make sense, because the two ways are not really mutually exclusive, you can teach yourself to read music. Them not being mutually exclusive makes the categories useless for creating a taxonomy. But even ignoring the obvious logical flaw, what is the use of this sort of thought? What can I do with this information?
@matthewgodbee91416 күн бұрын
Good comment. It makes sense if idea #2 is a subset of idea #1. Idea #1 is we are in charge of our own learning, self-taught; and then #2, learning written music is the proven method one should use to get better. We are the driver, idea #1, and the best road we should drive on is idea #2.
@paraguacumarinho805613 күн бұрын
Muito obrigado por suas palavras, eu como baixista as vezes sou autodidata,mas admito e pratico o conceito de estudo mais acadêmico, não sofro por isso, pelo contrário adoro ver método como o Seu que explica de forma diferente sobre assuntos que eu já conheço, isso renova minha mente, semana a semana sempre aprendendo, aprendendo e aprendendo com visões novas sobre o mesmo tema que eu já conheço
@dominikgawlikowski937813 күн бұрын
Jeff Berlin without a mustache is not Jeff Berlin :)
@TheMusicmak3r14 күн бұрын
Dope as hell
@Bekkunder2417 күн бұрын
👏👏👍👍👍👍
@curtrod17 күн бұрын
longing for a fender precision here 😊
@davidkiefer987519 күн бұрын
Damn guys - it’s time to put out an album of this - great job by both of you as it’s a great pairing - thank you so much !!!
@chrissharkey964422 күн бұрын
So well taught!
@colasfalon647022 күн бұрын
In general this is how ANYTHING/EVERYTHING is learned: 1) Your own personal trial and error (or "self taught"). 2) Instructions from others who have learned from their own (or others') trial and error. 3) A combination of 1 and 2. Nothing revolutionary here. In all cases (1, 2 or both), you are still ultimately responsible for whatever development you make. And there are no absolute guarantees that the information you receive from others will result in faster/better development then you may get on your own (though it is reasonable to assume so). And when is comes to individual production of action, specificity is one of the most important factors in learning/development. This is why it is entirely possible to spend time and money getting lessons WHILE NOT getting closer to one's specific goals, especially if those lessons and practice detract from the necessary specificity required for optimal development towards stated goals. If your goal is the ability to produce a specific artistic product/performance and you devote time developing some other tangentially related abilities/skills, rather than the specific and necessary abilities/skills for your goal, you might in fact be wasting time/money/effort.
@kennethschweighardt492022 күн бұрын
I love to hear Jeff's perspective on musicianship. I think he is absolutely correct. I remember when I was learning guitar, someone had to show me the chords. I got to a point where I could not progress any further so I wound up taking lessons which helped me tremendously. It is not (reasonably) possible to instinctively know everything we need to teach ourselves. Lessons are imperative. However personal artistry is an essential part of being an effectual musician as well. (Effectual meaning able to touch the emotions of the viewer\listener with our offerings musical or otherwise.)
@jimkerak640422 күн бұрын
I have a bass teacher for practice but I'm the coach for game time
@ChadHargis22 күн бұрын
I learned by listening to a bass part I liked, and imitating it. The same way humans learn to speak. You don't explain grammar to a baby and tell them this is a noun, this is a verb, this is a adjective...you let them stumble their way through words, pronouncing them incorrectly...until one day...they can speak with the proficiency of an adult with a limited vocabulary. As they grow and learn and listen to more speakers, their vocabulary grows. That's how I learned to play bass. I'd listen to a song and think "there is no way I can do that", but slowing the song down with software and learning it note by note until I could play it in time essentially built my bass "vocabulary".
@jimmie66622 күн бұрын
Jeff this is Jimmie Rex Wiseman aka Shirtless Guy. First may I start off by saying I believe you are the best string player in the world. Sorry but that is MHO. Secondly you are one of the few people that if I met you I would just put my guitar down, shut up and listen. Hopefully however you would find me interesting and we may even both walk away with some gain or such. At the end of the day if I learn something new on guitar or on my guitar approach then the day was not a bad day. Yes I have taken the super vitamin. I took lessons from 1982-1984 but other than that I am self-taught. It worked for me, and your advice is right on as usual. Rock on Jeff! 😎🎸🎵
@_Distemper18 күн бұрын
Dude, no one wants to see your 60 year old pubes.
@jefferyfournier626423 күн бұрын
Always surround yourself with people...should I say smarter than and more knowledgeable than you... about a subject you wish to learn..in this case the individuals can expound dynamics and project what they have learned 😊
@cgrimes7223 күн бұрын
It's not one or the other though! You make it sound like it's an EITHER / OR and it is not. I have paid money in my life to private teachers, later a tuition and a degree from Berklee College of Music and I have spent a life time also learning self taught.
@jimmywhyte718123 күн бұрын
I reckon there used to be far more pride in learning the science of music, putting in the hard ground work. Those guys who have said things like "there are no wrong notes" or that "Theory is scam", they have had exceptionally clear and privileged guidance in their early learning ground work.
@ericmonteith828223 күн бұрын
Thanks Jeff🙏
@TheMusicmak3r23 күн бұрын
Keep it up!
@ronj944823 күн бұрын
Everyone I ever met who was self taught had a great ear, and had great taste. They seemed to "find" on the instrument what they heard in their heads. Self taught without those attributes failed to make progress and gave up the instrument. Being taught formally will get you from the Starting Line to some point "B" but not the finish line. The problem with being taught is you learn things without a reason why so it appears as "trivia" to you - until the "Eureka" moment and if that moment even comes. Example: When I started bass and guitar I used a clip on tuner and the instructors encouraged it. "Tune up! and let us start" That action slowed down training my ear. When I discovered this I stopped using the tuner and the mundane act of tuning up became the start of the lesson by warming up my ear and my attention. Better playing and learning quickly followed.
@paraguacumarinho805623 күн бұрын
Concordo Jeff, somos nós baixistas que decidimos o que queremos e quanto queremos evoluir como baixista e músico
@jimdep654223 күн бұрын
For me, doing both helped get me off the ground, plus back in the 70's, I think it was far easier to stay focused without a million electronic distractions. I started out in my early teens, in early 72 trying to learn by ear, then took lessons from a good teacher who also brought theory and structure in. A year later or so, I was trying to do it on my own, but with some bass learning books and a pretty solid foundation. By 1977, I was a full time bass player doing the 5 night a week club circuit. It worked for me back then, only having records and cassettes to learn from. For inspiration, living in the SF Bay Area was a teenager, I could shoot up to Winterland and see some of the most amazing musicians and bands. I wanted to play on that same stage and was determined to get good enough to do it. By the time I thought I was good enough, they closed the place down ! Major depressing event. Fortunately there were other great venues in the area ( Old Waldorf, Great American Music Hall etc) ......but Winterland had that vibe that I loved.....plus it's own unique room acoustics where the bass especially sounded great to me.
@offbeatbassgear23 күн бұрын
After you've established some sort of foundation of playing skills you're more able to come up with a path forward, and start being more deliberate about how you progress as a player. I think that there's a basic level of competence as a player that you need to have to be able to progress, but once you've reached that point, if you're deliberate about how you want to advance, then you can help develop your own path.
@normalizedaudio248123 күн бұрын
I give you a dollar to make me a better player.
@SteveSam6625 күн бұрын
Thanks for posting, very nice!
@LeftiBassist25 күн бұрын
I really enjoy watching your practice/play videos. Heck, I'd even pay to download you playing like this. Thank you so much for sharing!
@aliadraz200025 күн бұрын
Bravo!
@jefferyfournier626426 күн бұрын
Subliminal...listen to one's self and learn 😌 ✨️
@paraguacumarinho805627 күн бұрын
Não é o meu melhor que baita aula de humildade, poderia postar essas ideias em um livro ou em PDF????
@MichProgNerd27 күн бұрын
Still impressive Jeff. The backing drum tracks sounded like Dr Bruford playing the drums. Happy belated to him.
@Monkeygroover27 күн бұрын
the opposite of Jaco: Steve Swallow, listen to Vashkar on the Album Hotel Hello. The man IS a melody! Articulation (and performance) should be intentional. If you do it too much during practice they become mannerisms, we don't want that , or do you? ;-)
@Botanikkubesu29 күн бұрын
Sounds awesome !!!! Well done !!!! I like it !!!!!
@TheMusicmak3r29 күн бұрын
Very cool Sir
@curtrod29 күн бұрын
man you hit the ground runnin!
@joaovitordecastro177229 күн бұрын
I wish I could hear the whole solo, where can I find it?
@NelsonMontana1234Ай бұрын
Sounding great Jeff.
@RyCooder-ri7fzАй бұрын
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@Hndsmstrngr1Ай бұрын
I think the takeaway here is folks listen to Jazz and pay attention to the sax or trumpet lines. You got to get it in your ear cuz if you can't hear it in your head you can't play it live. Which is pretty much what Jeff starts off with starts off telling students that learn how to transcribe the line. At first you feel like a total moron. It's like going back play going back to 5 or 6 years old and learning how to write. You're learning a new language and it's slow at first you'll think you're an idiot but with time it gets faster and faster
Пікірлер
Awesome! thanks for posting!
I need you to be my teacher
Love you Jeff!
Great Steve Swallow tune.
Coffee walking
You earned your "like" with that one Jeff.
Hi! KZread video, Breakfast With Vinnie, Bill Bruford interview from a week ago, at the 24 minute mark, Vinnie touches briefly on this self-taught idea.
Magnifique!
Here I am going through your vids after such a nice discussion on Facebook; thanks for this!
Doesn’t make sense, because the two ways are not really mutually exclusive, you can teach yourself to read music. Them not being mutually exclusive makes the categories useless for creating a taxonomy. But even ignoring the obvious logical flaw, what is the use of this sort of thought? What can I do with this information?
Doesn’t make sense, because the two ways are not really mutually exclusive, you can teach yourself to read music. Them not being mutually exclusive makes the categories useless for creating a taxonomy. But even ignoring the obvious logical flaw, what is the use of this sort of thought? What can I do with this information?
Good comment. It makes sense if idea #2 is a subset of idea #1. Idea #1 is we are in charge of our own learning, self-taught; and then #2, learning written music is the proven method one should use to get better. We are the driver, idea #1, and the best road we should drive on is idea #2.
Muito obrigado por suas palavras, eu como baixista as vezes sou autodidata,mas admito e pratico o conceito de estudo mais acadêmico, não sofro por isso, pelo contrário adoro ver método como o Seu que explica de forma diferente sobre assuntos que eu já conheço, isso renova minha mente, semana a semana sempre aprendendo, aprendendo e aprendendo com visões novas sobre o mesmo tema que eu já conheço
Jeff Berlin without a mustache is not Jeff Berlin :)
Dope as hell
👏👏👍👍👍👍
longing for a fender precision here 😊
Damn guys - it’s time to put out an album of this - great job by both of you as it’s a great pairing - thank you so much !!!
So well taught!
In general this is how ANYTHING/EVERYTHING is learned: 1) Your own personal trial and error (or "self taught"). 2) Instructions from others who have learned from their own (or others') trial and error. 3) A combination of 1 and 2. Nothing revolutionary here. In all cases (1, 2 or both), you are still ultimately responsible for whatever development you make. And there are no absolute guarantees that the information you receive from others will result in faster/better development then you may get on your own (though it is reasonable to assume so). And when is comes to individual production of action, specificity is one of the most important factors in learning/development. This is why it is entirely possible to spend time and money getting lessons WHILE NOT getting closer to one's specific goals, especially if those lessons and practice detract from the necessary specificity required for optimal development towards stated goals. If your goal is the ability to produce a specific artistic product/performance and you devote time developing some other tangentially related abilities/skills, rather than the specific and necessary abilities/skills for your goal, you might in fact be wasting time/money/effort.
I love to hear Jeff's perspective on musicianship. I think he is absolutely correct. I remember when I was learning guitar, someone had to show me the chords. I got to a point where I could not progress any further so I wound up taking lessons which helped me tremendously. It is not (reasonably) possible to instinctively know everything we need to teach ourselves. Lessons are imperative. However personal artistry is an essential part of being an effectual musician as well. (Effectual meaning able to touch the emotions of the viewer\listener with our offerings musical or otherwise.)
I have a bass teacher for practice but I'm the coach for game time
I learned by listening to a bass part I liked, and imitating it. The same way humans learn to speak. You don't explain grammar to a baby and tell them this is a noun, this is a verb, this is a adjective...you let them stumble their way through words, pronouncing them incorrectly...until one day...they can speak with the proficiency of an adult with a limited vocabulary. As they grow and learn and listen to more speakers, their vocabulary grows. That's how I learned to play bass. I'd listen to a song and think "there is no way I can do that", but slowing the song down with software and learning it note by note until I could play it in time essentially built my bass "vocabulary".
Jeff this is Jimmie Rex Wiseman aka Shirtless Guy. First may I start off by saying I believe you are the best string player in the world. Sorry but that is MHO. Secondly you are one of the few people that if I met you I would just put my guitar down, shut up and listen. Hopefully however you would find me interesting and we may even both walk away with some gain or such. At the end of the day if I learn something new on guitar or on my guitar approach then the day was not a bad day. Yes I have taken the super vitamin. I took lessons from 1982-1984 but other than that I am self-taught. It worked for me, and your advice is right on as usual. Rock on Jeff! 😎🎸🎵
Dude, no one wants to see your 60 year old pubes.
Always surround yourself with people...should I say smarter than and more knowledgeable than you... about a subject you wish to learn..in this case the individuals can expound dynamics and project what they have learned 😊
It's not one or the other though! You make it sound like it's an EITHER / OR and it is not. I have paid money in my life to private teachers, later a tuition and a degree from Berklee College of Music and I have spent a life time also learning self taught.
I reckon there used to be far more pride in learning the science of music, putting in the hard ground work. Those guys who have said things like "there are no wrong notes" or that "Theory is scam", they have had exceptionally clear and privileged guidance in their early learning ground work.
Thanks Jeff🙏
Keep it up!
Everyone I ever met who was self taught had a great ear, and had great taste. They seemed to "find" on the instrument what they heard in their heads. Self taught without those attributes failed to make progress and gave up the instrument. Being taught formally will get you from the Starting Line to some point "B" but not the finish line. The problem with being taught is you learn things without a reason why so it appears as "trivia" to you - until the "Eureka" moment and if that moment even comes. Example: When I started bass and guitar I used a clip on tuner and the instructors encouraged it. "Tune up! and let us start" That action slowed down training my ear. When I discovered this I stopped using the tuner and the mundane act of tuning up became the start of the lesson by warming up my ear and my attention. Better playing and learning quickly followed.
Concordo Jeff, somos nós baixistas que decidimos o que queremos e quanto queremos evoluir como baixista e músico
For me, doing both helped get me off the ground, plus back in the 70's, I think it was far easier to stay focused without a million electronic distractions. I started out in my early teens, in early 72 trying to learn by ear, then took lessons from a good teacher who also brought theory and structure in. A year later or so, I was trying to do it on my own, but with some bass learning books and a pretty solid foundation. By 1977, I was a full time bass player doing the 5 night a week club circuit. It worked for me back then, only having records and cassettes to learn from. For inspiration, living in the SF Bay Area was a teenager, I could shoot up to Winterland and see some of the most amazing musicians and bands. I wanted to play on that same stage and was determined to get good enough to do it. By the time I thought I was good enough, they closed the place down ! Major depressing event. Fortunately there were other great venues in the area ( Old Waldorf, Great American Music Hall etc) ......but Winterland had that vibe that I loved.....plus it's own unique room acoustics where the bass especially sounded great to me.
After you've established some sort of foundation of playing skills you're more able to come up with a path forward, and start being more deliberate about how you progress as a player. I think that there's a basic level of competence as a player that you need to have to be able to progress, but once you've reached that point, if you're deliberate about how you want to advance, then you can help develop your own path.
I give you a dollar to make me a better player.
Thanks for posting, very nice!
I really enjoy watching your practice/play videos. Heck, I'd even pay to download you playing like this. Thank you so much for sharing!
Bravo!
Subliminal...listen to one's self and learn 😌 ✨️
Não é o meu melhor que baita aula de humildade, poderia postar essas ideias em um livro ou em PDF????
Still impressive Jeff. The backing drum tracks sounded like Dr Bruford playing the drums. Happy belated to him.
the opposite of Jaco: Steve Swallow, listen to Vashkar on the Album Hotel Hello. The man IS a melody! Articulation (and performance) should be intentional. If you do it too much during practice they become mannerisms, we don't want that , or do you? ;-)
Sounds awesome !!!! Well done !!!! I like it !!!!!
Very cool Sir
man you hit the ground runnin!
I wish I could hear the whole solo, where can I find it?
Sounding great Jeff.
X
I think the takeaway here is folks listen to Jazz and pay attention to the sax or trumpet lines. You got to get it in your ear cuz if you can't hear it in your head you can't play it live. Which is pretty much what Jeff starts off with starts off telling students that learn how to transcribe the line. At first you feel like a total moron. It's like going back play going back to 5 or 6 years old and learning how to write. You're learning a new language and it's slow at first you'll think you're an idiot but with time it gets faster and faster
Thank you!!!
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